Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Dear Sudharsan, I do not agree with you that hell would be better then to be one with God.The 5 year old prahalad was just one example of many which prove that true love for god results in our being with God. As Visti has given the stages of the soul evolution and you are obviously talking of the stage where one just worships.We do change our belifs as we move on in the cycle of evolution. Some one else mentioned that knowledge cannot come through the inter net....knowledge can come through anything or anyone.Knowledge comes from God himslef.Even a Guru is just a medium.Knowledge is not a copy right which can be with some and not be with some else.It comes as the process of the evoluiotn of the soul goes on. Love and Regards, Kanupriya.MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Kanupriya, I qualified my posts right at the onset that they are from the Vaishnava school of thought and the thoughts were of that origin and not my own.Being with God and merging and becoming one with Him are not the same.Prahalada loved God unconditionally and that is in line with Vaishnava philosophy.We offer our prayers to him everyday.This is a difficult concept to elucidate in just a few paragraphs.Afterall these topics were debated for centuries by great Acharayas.The Vaishnavas talk about servitude and would never like to become ONE with God as in merging.The different levels of Moksha as described by Visti do exist but Vaishnava Acharyas do not agree about the order of importance or progression. They reject the three other forms of Moksha and only agree to serving God in His Dham as individuals. As far as a Guru is concerned, I still maintain that it is absolutely essential for a Guru to progress in the Vedic Path. Vedic knowledge is revealed knowledge and needs to be revealed by an Acharya.This of course does not mean that other forums of knowledge like the internet are not ok. Even here in this internet Hermitage, there are Gurus and there are Sishyas.Chanting the Hare RAma Krishna manthra and the Guru given manthra after paying respects to Sanjay Ji and the personal Guru goes a very long way in speeding up the learning process and absorption.This is knowledge obtained through the mercy of parampara or disciplic succession , which goes back to Parasara.Parasara revealed this knowledge to Maithreya and then it progressed down.So thats where my sentiments lie. I personally feel that we should end this discussion as there is limited scope(time constraints) to continue the same on the board.But let me paste a verse from the Srimad GIta to clarify the Guru part.May Krishna bless you.-Sudharsan Chapter 4. Transcendental Knowledge TEXT 34 tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah SYNONYMS tat--that knowledge of different sacrifices; viddhi--try to understand; pranipatena--by approaching a spiritual master; pariprasnena--by submissive inquiries; sevaya--by the rendering of service; upadeksyanti--initiate; te--unto you; jnanam--knowledge; jnaninah--the self-realized; tattva--truth; darsinah--the seers. TRANSLATION Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth. PURPORT The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult. The Lord therefore advises us to approach a bona fide spiritual master in the line of disciplic succession from the Lord Himself. No one can be a bona fide spiritual master without following this principle of disciplic succession. The Lord is the original spiritual master, and a person in the disciplic succession can convey the message of the Lord as it is to his disciple. No one can be spiritually realized by manufacturing his own process, as is the fashion of the foolish pretenders. The Bhagavatam says: dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam--the path of religion is directly enunciated by the Lord. Therefore, mental speculation or dry arguments cannot help one progress in spiritual life. One has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the knowledge. Such a spiritual master should be accepted in full surrender, and one should serve the spiritual master like a menial servant, without false prestige. Satisfaction of the self-realized spiritual master is the secret of advancement in spiritual life. Inquiries and submission constitute the proper combination for spiritual understanding. Unless there is submission and service, inquiries from the learned spiritual master will not be effective. One must be able to pass the test of the spiritual master, and when he sees the genuine desire of the disciple, he automatically blesses the disciple with genuine spiritual understanding. In this verse, both blind following and absurd inquiries are condemned. One should not only hear submissively from the spiritual master, but one must also get a clear understanding from him, in submission and service and inquiries. A bona fide spiritual master is by nature very kind toward the disciple. Therefore when the student is submissive and is always ready to render service, the reciprocation of knowledge and inquiries becomes perfect. kanu priya wrote: Dear Sudharsan, I do not agree with you that hell would be better then to be one with God.The 5 year old prahalad was just one example of many which prove that true love for god results in our being with God. As Visti has given the stages of the soul evolution and you are obviously talking of the stage where one just worships.We do change our belifs as we move on in the cycle of evolution. Some one else mentioned that knowledge cannot come through the inter net....knowledge can come through anything or anyone.Knowledge comes from God himslef.Even a Guru is just a medium.Knowledge is not a copy right which can be with some and not be with some else.It comes as the process of the evoluiotn of the soul goes on. Love and Regards, Kanupriya. 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