Astrology and Islam[mommuk111]

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Kanupriya:

 

Once more very well said. Now, I understand what happens after

Mokhas. The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes sense, a lot of

sense.

 

Now, let me integrate one more doubt (area of ignorance) I'm having.

My issue is if good souls attain moksha and become one with god and

bad souls are re-born to suffer for their sins in the previous birth,

WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The Hindu religion does talk

about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven, etc. etc.

Thank you.

 

MD

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear MM,

 

There are four bonafide Vaishnava Sampradaya's and they are

identified by the starting point, i.e Sri (Lakshmi), Madhva

(Brahma),Kumara (Sanat Kumaras) and Rudra.These four Vaishnava

schools identify the soul(atma) and Paramatma as different in

quantity but the same in quality.Thus the Lord and the Jeeva never

merge but retain their identity eternally.The analogy given often is

of the Sun Planet. The Planet Sun is the Brahman or the effulgence of

the Lord, the individual sun-rays are the jeevas , qualitatively the

same but quantitatively miniscule. The Lord manifests in three

different forms,Baghavan the Supreme Form as in Krishna, Paramatma

the Lord in our heart and finally His effulgence the impersonal

Brahman.Of these the Vaishnavas are particularly attracted to the

personal form as Baghavan and render loving devotional service in

temples and homes.

 

Now our real identity is the atma or soul. The body is like a dress

that is discarded when its useless.

 

Our constituional position is to serve Baghavan. Thats our true

happiness.This servitude is seen as a natural tendency as husbands

serve wives, wives serve their husbands , parents serve children and

vice-versa.But the service that we render to each other as humans is

dual in nature i.e it can give you happinees as well as distress.The

same service rendered to Krishna is absolute and gives only happiness

to the soul.Thus the devotee learns to create this focused chanell of

hapiness by regular devotional service.Beleive it or not, it can be

intoxicating.

 

Thus now we have Baghavan our most dear Lord who is eternal and since

we are eternal as individual spirit souls, our relationship with Him

is through our permanent tendency i.e service.Thats called "Sambandha

Gnana" by Vaishnava Acaryas.

 

The pure devotees of the Lord are disinterested in Moksha or

liberation as evidenced by the various songs of lamentation in

separation by the Acharyas.Their goal in life is to serve Krishna

without any expectation and experience the nectar or pure love in

such service.This was evidenced in the Gopis of Sri Vrindavana and

Mother Yashoda.They just want to serve Him life after life and even

discard heavenly pleasures.This was taught by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

(Krishna Himself in the incarnation as Devotee).

 

There are many planetary systems and the higher planetary systems

offer higher life-spans and heavenly pleasures but death occurs even

there and the jeeva returns back after the pious credits are over.So

real moksha is a very complex topic and is beyond my ability to post

here.

 

I presume you live in the US. Every city has a ISKCON temple and

there are Sunday Feasts every week. If you are interested in getting

very deep there are devotees in those temples who are experts in the

Srimad Baghavad Gita and Srimad Bagvatham and they would love to

teach you more.

 

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsan

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> Kanupriya:

>

> Once more very well said. Now, I understand what happens after

> Mokhas. The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes sense, a lot

of

> sense.

>

> Now, let me integrate one more doubt (area of ignorance) I'm

having.

> My issue is if good souls attain moksha and become one with god and

> bad souls are re-born to suffer for their sins in the previous

birth,

> WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The Hindu religion does talk

> about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven, etc. etc.

> Thank you.

>

> MD

[Guest guest]

I am leaving this list - I cannot listen to any statements made by people with

such hatred in their hearts. People like this have nothing to teach me. Every

one of us has a history wherein we can hate - get past this hatred...........the

future depends on it.....

 

Shamira

M

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monmuk111

vedic astrology

Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:57 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Islam[mommuk111]

Kanupriya:Once more very well said. Now, I understand what happens after Mokhas.

The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes sense, a lot of sense.Now, let me

integrate one more doubt (area of ignorance) I'm having. My issue is if good

souls attain moksha and become one with god and bad souls are re-born to suffer

for their sins in the previous birth, WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The

Hindu religion does talk about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven,

etc. etc. Thank you.MDArchives:

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i appreciate kanupriya for her initiative.

but, monmuk...u got to do something on ur own ...i

mean" swadhyaya". true knowledge doen't lie outside

its in u . for realising it , make urself pure, rise

to those satndards.

a suggestion: read gita , autobiography of a yogi,

bhakti yoga by s. vivekananda.

prashant

--- monmuk111 <monmuk111 wrote:

> Kanupriya:

>

> Once more very well said. Now, I understand what

> happens after

> Mokhas. The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes

> sense, a lot of

> sense.

>

> Now, let me integrate one more doubt (area of

> ignorance) I'm having.

> My issue is if good souls attain moksha and become

> one with god and

> bad souls are re-born to suffer for their sins in

> the previous birth,

> WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The Hindu

> religion does talk

> about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of

> heaven, etc. etc.

> Thank you.

>

> MD

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shamira,

I think you should not leave this group for only this reason. This

list has a vast majority of saintly souls who are guiding and showing

us the true path of the journey of life, the true objective of birth

& re-birth, the essence of Karma & Moksha.

 

You must realise that every journey has some obstacles, some

hinderences, but we overcome these obstacles to proceed further with

the help of our Gurus and Guides.

 

When the light of knowledge and reason comes, when the Grace of God

reaches to us, all darkness of mind vanishes and soul get enlightened.

 

I hope to see you here between us.

 

Actually it was my fault which initiated this unwarranted and useless

debate. I am sorry for that. I apologize to eveybody whoever got hurt

because of this.

 

qamar waheed naqvi

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Shamira" <shamira@p...> wrote:

>

> I am leaving this list - I cannot listen to any statements made by

people with such hatred in their hearts. People like this have

nothing to teach me. Every one of us has a history wherein we can

hate - get past this hatred...........the future depends on it.....

>

> Shamira

> M

> -

> monmuk111

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:57 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Islam[mommuk111]

>

>

> Kanupriya:

>

> Once more very well said. Now, I understand what happens after

> Mokhas. The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes sense, a lot

of

> sense.

>

> Now, let me integrate one more doubt (area of ignorance) I'm

having.

> My issue is if good souls attain moksha and become one with god

and

> bad souls are re-born to suffer for their sins in the previous

birth,

> WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The Hindu religion does talk

> about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven, etc. etc.

> Thank you.

>

> MD

>

>

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Vyam Vysaadevaaya Namah

Dear MD,

Heaven and Hell are just other Lokas and Talas/Narkas. Earth is known as Bhu

Loka, and the soul wanders through all of them in different forms and bodies,

due to their past activities. After this there is rebirth again on earth.

Except in the case of Satya Loka, where there is no return .

 

Best wishes, Visti.

-

monmuk111

vedic astrology

Friday, September 06, 2002 11:27 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Islam[mommuk111]

Kanupriya:Once more very well said. Now, I understand what happens after Mokhas.

The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes sense, a lot of sense.Now, let me

integrate one more doubt (area of ignorance) I'm having. My issue is if good

souls attain moksha and become one with god and bad souls are re-born to suffer

for their sins in the previous birth, WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The

Hindu religion does talk about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven,

etc. etc. Thank you.MDArchives:

vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

 

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>"monmuk111"

>vedic astrology >vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Islam[mommuk111] >Fri, 06

Sep 2002 21:27:36 -0000 > >Kanupriya: > >Once more very well said. Now, I

understand what happens after >Mokhas. The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This

makes sense, a lot of >sense. > >Now, let me integrate one more doubt (area of

ignorance) I'm having. >My issue is if good souls attain moksha and become one

with god and >bad souls are re-born to suffer for their sins in the previous

birth, >WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The Hindu religion does talk >about

Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven, etc. etc. >Thank you. > >MD

 

Dear Group Members and MD,

Before I say anything I would

first like to clarify that what ever I say comes from me and my faith and I am

not talking about any religion here as I belive God is beyond any religion.As

for your questions:

Firstly ,I do not believe that

God looks upon us as'' Bad'' or ''Good'' souls ,as we are from him what ever we

are.Its just souls which have evolvled and souls which need to reincarnate more

in order to understand and evolve more.Its more like a growth of a child.Some

children may understand alot of things and will be able to distinguish between

what is the right path and some dont.Some souls take longer to get to the path

of spiriutal growth and so still need to be here.As for heaven and earth I

believe that our heaven and earth is here itself.Our own life can be like hell

and like heaven its what we make of it as per our deeds.Though as per our

religion it is belived that the soul goes to hell or heaven according to the

deeds.The time spent there is like a break one gets before one goes back and

reincarnates. A soul that learnt the lessons of life well and progressed

towards God was blessed being in heaven before reincarnation and the souls

which resist change and growth have to be in hell in order to learn the lesson

the hard way.Even in our own lives if you would notice the worst time of our

life usually is when we are resisting change or holding on to what is not any

more.We often resist change and cause our own suffering as being away from God

itself is a suffering.

Love and Regards,

Kanupriya.Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:

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Sudhar:

 

Yes, I live in the US and I did find an ISKON temple 10 minutes from

where I live, I'll definitely go visit next weekend and will also re-

read your response in the evening. I have to digest what you're

saying. Thank you.

 

MD

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "sudhar_srinivasan" <sudhar108>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear MM,

>

> There are four bonafide Vaishnava Sampradaya's and they are

> identified by the starting point, i.e Sri (Lakshmi), Madhva

> (Brahma),Kumara (Sanat Kumaras) and Rudra.These four Vaishnava

> schools identify the soul(atma) and Paramatma as different in

> quantity but the same in quality.Thus the Lord and the Jeeva never

> merge but retain their identity eternally.The analogy given often

is

> of the Sun Planet. The Planet Sun is the Brahman or the effulgence

of

> the Lord, the individual sun-rays are the jeevas , qualitatively

the

> same but quantitatively miniscule. The Lord manifests in three

> different forms,Baghavan the Supreme Form as in Krishna, Paramatma

> the Lord in our heart and finally His effulgence the impersonal

> Brahman.Of these the Vaishnavas are particularly attracted to the

> personal form as Baghavan and render loving devotional service in

> temples and homes.

>

> Now our real identity is the atma or soul. The body is like a dress

> that is discarded when its useless.

>

> Our constituional position is to serve Baghavan. Thats our true

> happiness.This servitude is seen as a natural tendency as husbands

> serve wives, wives serve their husbands , parents serve children

and

> vice-versa.But the service that we render to each other as humans

is

> dual in nature i.e it can give you happinees as well as

distress.The

> same service rendered to Krishna is absolute and gives only

happiness

> to the soul.Thus the devotee learns to create this focused chanell

of

> hapiness by regular devotional service.Beleive it or not, it can be

> intoxicating.

>

> Thus now we have Baghavan our most dear Lord who is eternal and

since

> we are eternal as individual spirit souls, our relationship with

Him

> is through our permanent tendency i.e service.Thats

called "Sambandha

> Gnana" by Vaishnava Acaryas.

>

> The pure devotees of the Lord are disinterested in Moksha or

> liberation as evidenced by the various songs of lamentation in

> separation by the Acharyas.Their goal in life is to serve Krishna

> without any expectation and experience the nectar or pure love in

> such service.This was evidenced in the Gopis of Sri Vrindavana and

> Mother Yashoda.They just want to serve Him life after life and even

> discard heavenly pleasures.This was taught by Sri Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu

> (Krishna Himself in the incarnation as Devotee).

>

> There are many planetary systems and the higher planetary systems

> offer higher life-spans and heavenly pleasures but death occurs

even

> there and the jeeva returns back after the pious credits are

over.So

> real moksha is a very complex topic and is beyond my ability to

post

> here.

>

> I presume you live in the US. Every city has a ISKCON temple and

> there are Sunday Feasts every week. If you are interested in

getting

> very deep there are devotees in those temples who are experts in

the

> Srimad Baghavad Gita and Srimad Bagvatham and they would love to

> teach you more.

>

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Kanupriya:

> >

> > Once more very well said. Now, I understand what happens after

> > Mokhas. The soul becomes ONE with God. -- This makes sense, a lot

> of

> > sense.

> >

> > Now, let me integrate one more doubt (area of ignorance) I'm

> having.

> > My issue is if good souls attain moksha and become one with god

and

> > bad souls are re-born to suffer for their sins in the previous

> birth,

> > WHERE DOES HEAVEN AND HELL come in? The Hindu religion does talk

> > about Heaven and describe Indra as the king of heaven, etc. etc.

> > Thank you.

> >

> > MD