Astrology and Islam

September 6, 2002

Dear Jagmeet, Qamar and List,

Hello/Pranam,

It is usually said that astrology is strickly prohibited in Islam and there are

hundreds of Fatawa and opposing arguments about astrology.

Old hat. But who doesn’t know the mindset of the blokes who issue fatwas?

Very few persons tried to highlite the true picture. If our respected Hidu

conferes do not mind then I want to lay my personal opinion about the place of

astrology in Islam. Because I know this web-group is build to discuss, preech

and teach vedic astrology.But I am penning as this forum is covering many

borders of occult subjects.

Great. You must’ve also noticed that there are many excellent astrologers on

this group who aren’t Hindu. Which is exactly how a body of knowledge should

always be kept and treated – divorced from religion to the extent possible.

"Because Islam is the fatest growing

The rate at which Muslims are proliferating (at least in India), your statement

will up to the sternest scrutiny.

and youngest religion of the world and many of its education are beyond

geography, caste and colour, therefore its ‘culture or civilization’ has still

been evolving,

Just a minute. This reminds me of khilafat, which I’ll come to laterbut tell me,

where did the term kafir originate from? A kafir is a heretic, and whoever

doesn’t embrace Islam is a kafir. Is this or isn’t this preached?

although its essentials are completed and compiled in the form of Quran and

Hadees(the collections of sayings of Prophet Muhammad).

Bingo! The essentials are in the Koran but the pert interpretations are all done

by your well-meaning cheerleaders like our own Imam Bukhari (next in line for

the Nobel Peace Prize, I hear).

Looking at the initial periods of Arab tradition we don’t get any clue of

astrology in that region, but other techniques of fortune telling was in vogue

including witchcraft, alchemy and omen by observing sky, birds and sand of

desert. A mind of current age find lots of Hadeeses reveal many a times Prophet

Muhammad prohibited such activities, superstitions and cursed those who was

involved in that business of prophecy. But very few knows that, in the life of

Muhammad no one was aware of astrology in the Arab.

After many years when Islam was spreaded outside Arabian region, the muslim came

across many of non-arab arts and sciences and the scholars of those time adopted

and learn the different branches of knowledge.

You omit mentioning how Islam spread so far and wide – I mean, all the

pillaging, looting, plundering, subjugating and raping of wide chunks of

innocent populaces by marauding Islamic invaders. Not that the Christian

missionary conversion techniques here of dangling attractive but non-existent

economic benefits a lot better, but the historical Islamic conversion

techniques were surely a lot less civil.

The Greek and Greece were the richest source of knowledge for Arab conquerers.

Arab were been fimiliar with astology through Greek, and after that they study

astrology thoroughly, make an authentic research and build new postulates.

In my dictionary, a postulate is a guess or assumption. You sure you meant that?

Fits well, actually, but I’m just making sure.

Iran, Iraq, Central Asia and Turkey were the centres of astrological knowledge.

Al-Beruni was the first eminent muslim scholar who came India, learn Sanskrit

and Vedic literature and then after translated Brihat Samhita of Vrihamihira.

The successors of Beruni developed new theories on the basis of Beruni’s work,

which he extracted from Indian souls. At that time no major opposition arised

against astrology because many of the religious scholars themselves know

astronomy and astrology very well.

Unfortunately today’s Maulvis could not differentiate between the fortunetelling

that was practiced during Muhammad’s life and present approach and philosophy of

astrology. Therefore we see lot of material full of opposing views and

‘Fatawas’. The rigid mullahas are blindly stick to the wordings of Prophet,

without comprehend the purpose and appraoch of Prophet’s wordings.

Your maulvis aren’t just rigid and non-conducive to the spread and acceptance of

astrology, most of them are rogues. I remember your khilafat movement of ’96

very well, where the same maulvis urged all Muslims to unite into a single

nation, regardless of geographical boundaries or regional loyalties. Meaning,

an Indian Muslim must identify more with a Sudanese or Afghan Muslim than with

his own Hindu neighbour. And if he must respect a government, it should be one

as saintly as Saudi Arabia's: The Muslim ethos must always supersede the Indian

one. There's another aspect to khilafat, that which is tacit and understood by

the 'believers', and without also which Islam remains incomplete: its ultimate

aim is the Islamization of the world. Like Christianity, and unlike Hinduism,

Islam is a proselytizing religion. However, whereas the Christian West sends

overtly gentle missionaries, there are no such self-constraints on the Arab

world. How did you think the Taleban popped up in Oct 96? And what can you

expect when the majority of the pack wants to follow a dog that barks thus?

Whereas, there is a learned and intellectual class who donot think Astrology

beyond the teaching of Islam, they hold that it’s a science cum art which

should be given its right place.

Not all Hindus vouch automatically for astrology either. In fact, the majority

of Indians don’t believe in the science. But believers aren’t regarded as

heretics here, which your maulvis so deliberately propagate.

I am again recalling that there was not any existance of Asrology and even

Palmisty in the Arabian region at the time of Muhammad’s life. So how it become

a sin, when there are not any Sura or Hadees prohibiting to consult or practice

'astrology' directly. All the Hadees are with reference to those techniques of

fortunetelling that was prevailed in the dark age of Arabian history. The study

of Astrology come under the Imam Ghazili’s category of Non-Revealed Knowledge.

For which the fourth and last criteria of Sharia i.e; ‘Ijtehad’ (interpretation

of any newly arises problem/point in the light of Quran by the present savants

and scholars for the benefit of muslim as a whole) is always there to check its

all good and bad impacts on the society and then decide whether it should allow

or not.

But why do you guys require moral policing at all? And that too by those that

generate the mentality that can’t stomach the return of merely 3 Hindu temples

from the thousands desecrated and turned into mosques by the aforesaid Arab

invaders?

And that is the opinion of the majority of educated muslims not only in Pakistan

…where they’re in an utter minority. Thankfully, there are many Muslims in India

who’re Indians first.

but also around the world. Through this message I want to ask the opponent, if

astrology is not allowed in Islam then how Jafr (a sacred numerical way of

delineating query and talisman making) and ‘Faal’ (omen or presage with the

help of sacred book or numbers) can be permitted.

Also ask how khilafat can be propogated? Or even fatwas?

Here I donot want to repeat the names of muslim astrologers, their work and the

famouse rulers who favoured to practice astrology, because this site is

reserved for the propagation of vedic astrology. These few word are the answer

of my personal explation of the frequently asked question i.e; Astrology is

prohibited in Islam why? and one of our web friend Mr.Jagmeet S Dheendsa, who

queried about relevent topic. The article attatched containing many good

perspective but with a losely translated Hadees without any reference.

In another mail our dear Qamar Waheed Naqvi required the source of quote

someone used last week, In my view the actual words are Ilm(knowledge) and

Aalim(savant) not the astrology and astrologer, but since there are many

translations of Hazrat Ali’s “Nahij-ul-Balagha”, so instantly I can’t write the

correct name of translator, though I didn’t use the quote but I will try to get

the correct wordings from authentic sources. Qamar also wants to know about the

vedic tradition in Pakistan or some useful web-links that can hilight it.

Unfortunate you hardly find any site contianing efforts or research work of

Pakistani vedic astrologers, but its not mean that there is not any astrologer

or researcher performing this task. I know many and I will inform you. But

little knowledge is often dangerous, so first I myself collect complete

information then write any thing later.

Imran, you’ve a great opportunity to learn vedic astro here and put it in good

use there. Most astrologers here are knowledgeable and nice [me excepted on

both counts ] and if you receive even half the amount of help I’ve got,

you’ll learn twice as much as I have. Don’t let go. Nothing succeeds like

failure, especially in this subject.

Regards,

M.Imran

Warm regards from lovely Karnataka

(from where you migrated),

Ramapriya

PS: I hope I won’t be flamed for this post, but I sure wasn’t trolling Imran,

but just airing my views.

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September 6, 2002

Rampriya:

Well said. Very well said. You da man or woman (can't tell from you

name)

You spoke the truth. Ya, the Islamic savages descecrated hundreds of

thousands of temples (not thousands as you mentioned), yet, they cry

out "Islam in danger" when the Hindus partially converted one mosques

back to a temple.

I don't condone what happened in Gujarat recently, but I'm glad it

happened. At least they know now that Hindus won't take it any more

and THEY (the Islamic savages) WILL BE SPENDING TIME IN A REFUGEE

CAMP IF THEY CONTINUE TO EXPLOIT THE PASSIVITY AND NICENESS OF THE

HINDUS.

I'm hoping BJP rules India for another 10 years and if they do, we

will teach these savages a fine lesson in patriotism and that India

is their motherland and not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

0nce more Rampriya, well said.

MD

-- In vedic astrology, Ramapriya D <ramapriya_d> wrote:

>

> Hi Imran,

>

> Dear Jagmeet, Qamar and List,

>

> Hello/Pranam,

>

> It is usually said that astrology is strickly prohibited in Islam

and there are hundreds of Fatawa and opposing arguments about

astrology.

>

> Old hat. But who doesn't know the mindset of the blokes who issue

fatwas?

>

> Very few persons tried to highlite the true picture. If our

respected Hidu conferes do not mind then I want to lay my personal

opinion about the place of astrology in Islam. Because I know this

web-group is build to discuss, preech and teach vedic astrology.But I

am penning as this forum is covering many borders of occult subjects.

>

> Great. You must've also noticed that there are many excellent

astrologers on this group who aren't Hindu. Which is exactly how a

body of knowledge should always be kept and treated – divorced from

religion to the extent possible.

>

> "Because Islam is the fatest growing

>

> The rate at which Muslims are proliferating (at least in India),

your statement will up to the sternest scrutiny.

>

> and youngest religion of the world and many of its education are

beyond geography, caste and colour, therefore its `culture or

civilization' has still been evolving,

>

> Just a minute. This reminds me of khilafat, which I'll come to

laterbut tell me, where did the term kafir originate from? A kafir is

a heretic, and whoever doesn't embrace Islam is a kafir. Is this or

isn't this preached?

>

> although its essentials are completed and compiled in the form of

Quran and Hadees(the collections of sayings of Prophet Muhammad).

>

> Bingo! The essentials are in the Koran but the pert interpretations

are all done by your well-meaning cheerleaders like our own Imam

Bukhari (next in line for the Nobel Peace Prize, I hear).

>

> Looking at the initial periods of Arab tradition we don't get any

clue of astrology in that region, but other techniques of fortune

telling was in vogue including witchcraft, alchemy and omen by

observing sky, birds and sand of desert. A mind of current age find

lots of Hadeeses reveal many a times Prophet Muhammad prohibited such

activities, superstitions and cursed those who was involved in that

business of prophecy. But very few knows that, in the life of

Muhammad no one was aware of astrology in the Arab.

>

> After many years when Islam was spreaded outside Arabian region,

the muslim came across many of non-arab arts and sciences and the

scholars of those time adopted and learn the different branches of

knowledge.

>

> You omit mentioning how Islam spread so far and wide – I mean, all

the pillaging, looting, plundering, subjugating and raping of wide

chunks of innocent populaces by marauding Islamic invaders. Not that

the Christian missionary conversion techniques here of dangling

attractive but non-existent economic benefits a lot better, but the

historical Islamic conversion techniques were surely a lot less civil.

>

> The Greek and Greece were the richest source of knowledge for Arab

conquerers. Arab were been fimiliar with astology through Greek, and

after that they study astrology thoroughly, make an authentic

research and build new postulates.

>

> In my dictionary, a postulate is a guess or assumption. You sure

you meant that? Fits well, actually, but I'm just making sure.

>

> Iran, Iraq, Central Asia and Turkey were the centres of

astrological knowledge. Al-Beruni was the first eminent muslim

scholar who came India, learn Sanskrit and Vedic literature and then

after translated Brihat Samhita of Vrihamihira. The successors of

Beruni developed new theories on the basis of Beruni's work, which he

extracted from Indian souls. At that time no major opposition arised

against astrology because many of the religious scholars themselves

know astronomy and astrology very well.

>

> Unfortunately today's Maulvis could not differentiate between the

fortunetelling that was practiced during Muhammad's life and present

approach and philosophy of astrology. Therefore we see lot of

material full of opposing views and `Fatawas'. The rigid mullahas are

blindly stick to the wordings of Prophet, without comprehend the

purpose and appraoch of Prophet's wordings.

>

> Your maulvis aren't just rigid and non-conducive to the spread and

acceptance of astrology, most of them are rogues. I remember your

khilafat movement of '96 very well, where the same maulvis urged all

Muslims to unite into a single nation, regardless of geographical

boundaries or regional loyalties. Meaning, an Indian Muslim must

identify more with a Sudanese or Afghan Muslim than with his own

Hindu neighbour. And if he must respect a government, it should be

one as saintly as Saudi Arabia's: The Muslim ethos must always

supersede the Indian one. There's another aspect to khilafat, that

which is tacit and understood by the 'believers', and without also

which Islam remains incomplete: its ultimate aim is the Islamization

of the world. Like Christianity, and unlike Hinduism, Islam is a

proselytizing religion. However, whereas the Christian West sends

overtly gentle missionaries, there are no such self-constraints on

the Arab world. How did you think the Taleban popped up in Oct 96?

And what can you expect when the majority of the pack wants to follow

a dog that barks thus?

>

> Whereas, there is a learned and intellectual class who donot think

Astrology beyond the teaching of Islam, they hold that it's a science

cum art which should be given its right place.

>

> Not all Hindus vouch automatically for astrology either. In fact,

the majority of Indians don't believe in the science. But believers

aren't regarded as heretics here, which your maulvis so deliberately

propagate.

>

> I am again recalling that there was not any existance of Asrology

and even Palmisty in the Arabian region at the time of Muhammad's

life. So how it become a sin, when there are not any Sura or Hadees

prohibiting to consult or practice 'astrology' directly. All the

Hadees are with reference to those techniques of fortunetelling that

was prevailed in the dark age of Arabian history. The study of

Astrology come under the Imam Ghazili's category of Non-Revealed

Knowledge. For which the fourth and last criteria of Sharia

i.e; `Ijtehad' (interpretation of any newly arises problem/point in

the light of Quran by the present savants and scholars for the

benefit of muslim as a whole) is always there to check its all good

and bad impacts on the society and then decide whether it should

allow or not.

>

> But why do you guys require moral policing at all? And that too by

those that generate the mentality that can't stomach the return of

merely 3 Hindu temples from the thousands desecrated and turned into

mosques by the aforesaid Arab invaders?

>

> And that is the opinion of the majority of educated muslims not

only in Pakistan

>

> …where they're in an utter minority. Thankfully, there are many

Muslims in India who're Indians first.

>

> but also around the world. Through this message I want to ask the

opponent, if astrology is not allowed in Islam then how Jafr (a

sacred numerical way of delineating query and talisman making)

and `Faal' (omen or presage with the help of sacred book or numbers)

can be permitted.

>

> Also ask how khilafat can be propogated? Or even fatwas?

>

> Here I donot want to repeat the names of muslim astrologers, their

work and the famouse rulers who favoured to practice astrology,

because this site is reserved for the propagation of vedic astrology.

These few word are the answer of my personal explation of the

frequently asked question i.e; Astrology is prohibited in Islam why?

and one of our web friend Mr.Jagmeet S Dheendsa, who queried about

relevent topic. The article attatched containing many good

perspective but with a losely translated Hadees without any

reference.

>

> In another mail our dear Qamar Waheed Naqvi required the source of

quote someone used last week, In my view the actual words are Ilm

(knowledge) and Aalim(savant) not the astrology and astrologer, but

since there are many translations of Hazrat Ali's "Nahij-ul-Balagha",

so instantly I can't write the correct name of translator, though I

didn't use the quote but I will try to get the correct wordings from

authentic sources. Qamar also wants to know about the vedic tradition

in Pakistan or some useful web-links that can hilight it. Unfortunate

you hardly find any site contianing efforts or research work of

Pakistani vedic astrologers, but its not mean that there is not any

astrologer or researcher performing this task. I know many and I

will inform you. But little knowledge is often dangerous, so first I

myself collect complete information then write any thing later.

>

> Imran, you've a great opportunity to learn vedic astro here and put

it in good use there. Most astrologers here are knowledgeable and

nice [me excepted on both counts ] and if you receive even half

the amount of help I've got, you'll learn twice as much as I have.

Don't let go. Nothing succeeds like failure, especially in this

subject.

>

> Regards,

>

> M.Imran

>

> Warm regards from lovely Karnataka

>

> (from where you migrated),

>

> Ramapriya

>

> PS: I hope I won't be flamed for this post, but I sure wasn't

trolling Imran, but just airing my views.

>

> Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

September 6, 2002

Dear List members,

Pranam,

I think this group belongs to "VEDIC ASTROLOGY" only, and some of the

group members are forgetting that fact. If you want to discuss your

own ideas which does not belong to "VEDIC ASTROLOGY" at all, please

use personal email and don't fill up this group emails since students

like me trying so hard to learn astrology and it's origin.

I hope I am not disrespecting anyone.

Thank you,

Jayesh

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> Rampriya:

>

> Well said. Very well said. You da man or woman (can't tell from you

> name)

>

> You spoke the truth. Ya, the Islamic savages descecrated hundreds

of

> thousands of temples (not thousands as you mentioned), yet, they

cry

> out "Islam in danger" when the Hindus partially converted one

mosques

> back to a temple.

>

> I don't condone what happened in Gujarat recently, but I'm glad it

> happened. At least they know now that Hindus won't take it any more

> and THEY (the Islamic savages) WILL BE SPENDING TIME IN A REFUGEE

> CAMP IF THEY CONTINUE TO EXPLOIT THE PASSIVITY AND NICENESS OF THE

> HINDUS.

>

> I'm hoping BJP rules India for another 10 years and if they do, we

> will teach these savages a fine lesson in patriotism and that India

> is their motherland and not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

>

> 0nce more Rampriya, well said.

>

> MD

>

> -- In vedic astrology, Ramapriya D <ramapriya_d> wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi Imran,

> >

> > Dear Jagmeet, Qamar and List,

> >

> > Hello/Pranam,

> >

> > It is usually said that astrology is strickly prohibited in Islam

> and there are hundreds of Fatawa and opposing arguments about

> astrology.

> >

> > Old hat. But who doesn't know the mindset of the blokes who issue

> fatwas?

> >

> > Very few persons tried to highlite the true picture. If our

> respected Hidu conferes do not mind then I want to lay my personal

> opinion about the place of astrology in Islam. Because I know this

> web-group is build to discuss, preech and teach vedic astrology.But

I

> am penning as this forum is covering many borders of occult

subjects.

> >

> > Great. You must've also noticed that there are many excellent

> astrologers on this group who aren't Hindu. Which is exactly how a

> body of knowledge should always be kept and treated – divorced from

> religion to the extent possible.

> >

> > "Because Islam is the fatest growing

> >

> > The rate at which Muslims are proliferating (at least in India),

> your statement will up to the sternest scrutiny.

> >

> > and youngest religion of the world and many of its education are

> beyond geography, caste and colour, therefore its `culture or

> civilization' has still been evolving,

> >

> > Just a minute. This reminds me of khilafat, which I'll come to

> laterbut tell me, where did the term kafir originate from? A kafir

is

> a heretic, and whoever doesn't embrace Islam is a kafir. Is this or

> isn't this preached?

> >

> > although its essentials are completed and compiled in the form of

> Quran and Hadees(the collections of sayings of Prophet Muhammad).

> >

> > Bingo! The essentials are in the Koran but the pert

interpretations

> are all done by your well-meaning cheerleaders like our own Imam

> Bukhari (next in line for the Nobel Peace Prize, I hear).

> >

> > Looking at the initial periods of Arab tradition we don't get any

> clue of astrology in that region, but other techniques of fortune

> telling was in vogue including witchcraft, alchemy and omen by

> observing sky, birds and sand of desert. A mind of current age find

> lots of Hadeeses reveal many a times Prophet Muhammad prohibited

such

> activities, superstitions and cursed those who was involved in that

> business of prophecy. But very few knows that, in the life of

> Muhammad no one was aware of astrology in the Arab.

> >

> > After many years when Islam was spreaded outside Arabian region,

> the muslim came across many of non-arab arts and sciences and the

> scholars of those time adopted and learn the different branches of

> knowledge.

> >

> > You omit mentioning how Islam spread so far and wide – I mean,

all

> the pillaging, looting, plundering, subjugating and raping of wide

> chunks of innocent populaces by marauding Islamic invaders. Not

that

> the Christian missionary conversion techniques here of dangling

> attractive but non-existent economic benefits a lot better, but the

> historical Islamic conversion techniques were surely a lot less

civil.

> >

> > The Greek and Greece were the richest source of knowledge for

Arab

> conquerers. Arab were been fimiliar with astology through Greek,

and

> after that they study astrology thoroughly, make an authentic

> research and build new postulates.

> >

> > In my dictionary, a postulate is a guess or assumption. You sure

> you meant that? Fits well, actually, but I'm just making sure.

> >

> > Iran, Iraq, Central Asia and Turkey were the centres of

> astrological knowledge. Al-Beruni was the first eminent muslim

> scholar who came India, learn Sanskrit and Vedic literature and

then

> after translated Brihat Samhita of Vrihamihira. The successors of

> Beruni developed new theories on the basis of Beruni's work, which

he

> extracted from Indian souls. At that time no major opposition

arised

> against astrology because many of the religious scholars themselves

> know astronomy and astrology very well.

> >

> > Unfortunately today's Maulvis could not differentiate between the

> fortunetelling that was practiced during Muhammad's life and

present

> approach and philosophy of astrology. Therefore we see lot of

> material full of opposing views and `Fatawas'. The rigid mullahas

are

> blindly stick to the wordings of Prophet, without comprehend the

> purpose and appraoch of Prophet's wordings.

> >

> > Your maulvis aren't just rigid and non-conducive to the spread

and

> acceptance of astrology, most of them are rogues. I remember your

> khilafat movement of '96 very well, where the same maulvis urged

all

> Muslims to unite into a single nation, regardless of geographical

> boundaries or regional loyalties. Meaning, an Indian Muslim must

> identify more with a Sudanese or Afghan Muslim than with his own

> Hindu neighbour. And if he must respect a government, it should be

> one as saintly as Saudi Arabia's: The Muslim ethos must always

> supersede the Indian one. There's another aspect to khilafat, that

> which is tacit and understood by the 'believers', and without also

> which Islam remains incomplete: its ultimate aim is the

Islamization

> of the world. Like Christianity, and unlike Hinduism, Islam is a

> proselytizing religion. However, whereas the Christian West sends

> overtly gentle missionaries, there are no such self-constraints on

> the Arab world. How did you think the Taleban popped up in Oct 96?

> And what can you expect when the majority of the pack wants to

follow

> a dog that barks thus?

> >

> > Whereas, there is a learned and intellectual class who donot

think

> Astrology beyond the teaching of Islam, they hold that it's a

science

> cum art which should be given its right place.

> >

> > Not all Hindus vouch automatically for astrology either. In fact,

> the majority of Indians don't believe in the science. But believers

> aren't regarded as heretics here, which your maulvis so

deliberately

> propagate.

> >

> > I am again recalling that there was not any existance of Asrology

> and even Palmisty in the Arabian region at the time of Muhammad's

> life. So how it become a sin, when there are not any Sura or Hadees

> prohibiting to consult or practice 'astrology' directly. All the

> Hadees are with reference to those techniques of fortunetelling

that

> was prevailed in the dark age of Arabian history. The study of

> Astrology come under the Imam Ghazili's category of Non-Revealed

> Knowledge. For which the fourth and last criteria of Sharia

> i.e; `Ijtehad' (interpretation of any newly arises problem/point in

> the light of Quran by the present savants and scholars for the

> benefit of muslim as a whole) is always there to check its all good

> and bad impacts on the society and then decide whether it should

> allow or not.

> >

> > But why do you guys require moral policing at all? And that too

by

> those that generate the mentality that can't stomach the return of

> merely 3 Hindu temples from the thousands desecrated and turned

into

> mosques by the aforesaid Arab invaders?

> >

> > And that is the opinion of the majority of educated muslims not

> only in Pakistan

> >

> > …where they're in an utter minority. Thankfully, there are many

> Muslims in India who're Indians first.

> >

> > but also around the world. Through this message I want to ask the

> opponent, if astrology is not allowed in Islam then how Jafr (a

> sacred numerical way of delineating query and talisman making)

> and `Faal' (omen or presage with the help of sacred book or

numbers)

> can be permitted.

> >

> > Also ask how khilafat can be propogated? Or even fatwas?

> >

> > Here I donot want to repeat the names of muslim astrologers,

their

> work and the famouse rulers who favoured to practice astrology,

> because this site is reserved for the propagation of vedic

astrology.

> These few word are the answer of my personal explation of the

> frequently asked question i.e; Astrology is prohibited in Islam

why?

> and one of our web friend Mr.Jagmeet S Dheendsa, who queried about

> relevent topic. The article attatched containing many good

> perspective but with a losely translated Hadees without any

> reference.

> >

> > In another mail our dear Qamar Waheed Naqvi required the source

of

> quote someone used last week, In my view the actual words are Ilm

> (knowledge) and Aalim(savant) not the astrology and astrologer, but

> since there are many translations of Hazrat Ali's "Nahij-ul-

Balagha",

> so instantly I can't write the correct name of translator, though

I

> didn't use the quote but I will try to get the correct wordings

from

> authentic sources. Qamar also wants to know about the vedic

tradition

> in Pakistan or some useful web-links that can hilight it.

Unfortunate

> you hardly find any site contianing efforts or research work of

> Pakistani vedic astrologers, but its not mean that there is not any

> astrologer or researcher performing this task. I know many and I

> will inform you. But little knowledge is often dangerous, so first

I

> myself collect complete information then write any thing later.

> >

> > Imran, you've a great opportunity to learn vedic astro here and

put

> it in good use there. Most astrologers here are knowledgeable and

> nice [me excepted on both counts ] and if you receive even half

> the amount of help I've got, you'll learn twice as much as I have.

> Don't let go. Nothing succeeds like failure, especially in this

> subject.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > M.Imran

> >

> > Warm regards from lovely Karnataka

> >

> > (from where you migrated),

> >

> > Ramapriya

> >

> > PS: I hope I won't be flamed for this post, but I sure wasn't

> trolling Imran, but just airing my views.

> >

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September 6, 2002

Hello Rampriya:

Imran seems like a nice guy, at least he is attempting transcend the

bounds of Islam and look at what other cultures and religions have to

offer. There may be a fatwa on Imran's head in Pakistan just for

posting on this board. Maybe he'll have to run away to India or US or

England to save his life. Hey Imran, if your savage blood thirsty

brothers kick you out of Pakistan, you're welcome to make India your

home.--India has given citizenship to two hundred million of your

brothers, why not one more!!

What amazes me is that the the muslims in Inida forget that they're

just a guest in India, they were given their own separat homeland

then why not move to their homeland, Pakistan in the West and

Bangladesh in the East? The intent and essence of partition was

separate homeland for Hindus and Muslims. The Muslims got their

homeland, then why are they still in India. Hindus are too nice, the

Hindus should have removed EACH and EVERY muslim after the partition

from Hindustan and shipped them to WestPakistan and East Pakistan.

Every time I visit India or the middle east (I'm scared to visit any

country in the middle-east except Bahrain), I have a bitter

experience of the muslim savages. However, the Hindus are loving,

caring, sharing and above all open to a foreigner. The savages who

blew up the WTC and killed thousands of innocents made my sentiments

about these savages even more stronger.

Rampriya, I wish you had posted your analysis in reponse to some

blood thirsty savage muslim like the ones who blew up the WTC and the

ones to kill innocent Israeli civilians and the ones who rape,

pillage and kill innocent Kashmiri Pandits who've been living in

Kashmir even before the religion of the savages was born in 800 AD.

Imran seems like a good man.

MD

vedic astrology, Ramapriya D <ramapriya_d> wrote: