Interesting and unpredictable satrun? Reply to Farrukh, Mohini et al

September 3, 2002

Mr katti Nehari Paeey,

I respect your thoughts and questions but unfortunately I have got

my mind as the source of all statements. I tried my level best to

transform myself into a state-of-the-art robot like you, who can

recognize only those things which are written in texts as old as 5th

century BC. I am in the process of building a time machine and I'll

offer you a free ride, once it is made. I'll send you back in those

times where you'll be able to learn directly from the authors,

jyotish, pandit, paendu, wateva. They'll be very happy to know that

they have such a desperate follower in 21st century.

I must say that its a pitty that I can't help you in getting a new

mind because your upper storey is an empty sphere. There must be a

way to get a mind into that. I am trying to contact some leading

neurologists who can help you. Every human has the right to have

mind, then why don't anyone think about you.

Maybe you consider yourself as the god of our times, but then again

I don't believe in any god. I feel pitty again. How pathetic!

I am mad at myself that why I can't help preserve such rare piece of

art like you.

Now you'll be thinking what is the source of this statement? Guess

what! Your mails.

Just yesterday I was chatting with a mindless creature, I don't

wanna tell people his name, and he was telling me that Indian

astrology can't be wrong as it is complete.

Einstein, Newton, Stephen Hawking, they were all mad. Why did they

try to aquire knowledge when there is only one knowledge on this

planet that can be and is complete, INDIAN ASTROLOGY. I can't help

laughing. hehe!

All the great philosophers, scientists believed that one day their

knowledge might be complete but they were never able to do it. But

this person (the mindless creature) was telling me yesterday that

Indian astrology is absolutely complete. Amazing isn't it!

I should contact some supernatural being and ask him/her why only

Indian astrology is the only knowledge that can be and is complete.

What is fault of einstein, newton, hawking?

hoohohohohoho!

Some people don't know the most fundamental thing about knowledge

and that is DOUBT. Hari, Katti, whateva, doesn't seem to have any

doubts. But I can understand it now. He doesn't have a mind to think

and so to doubt. How can you expect a 90 GB hardisk to doubt.

Whatever you store in it, will be stored. But no thinking!

I just hope that Artificial Intelligence is created before it gets

too late for this decaying 70 kg box of iron, steel and silicon.

Best of luck! hari, katti, whateva you call yourself mr robot.

SOURCE OF THIS EMAIL is my mind. You can't possible comprehend what

is a mind because you don't have one. haha!

Why am I laughing! I shouldn't make fun of such miserable creatures

like you. How pathetic!

I really feel sorry for you. All the members of this group should

helps him with his disability.

For free thinkers like myself, I should say that they should carry

on the good work they've been doing. Certain pesticides are in every

field to disturb you. Just carry on!

For Mohini, I think that you should not give up. People like this

hari katti, will always be there to act as a real pain in the ass.

Oops! I cut loose on that occasion.

Farrukh

vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Farrukh, Mohini and the list,

>

> I have been reading up this chain regarding Saturn. I have a few

questions.

>

> 1. You have mentioned that saturn is linked to the longevity of a

relationship? what is the source of this statement? esp so since you

havent mentioned the role of Darapada? How can one come to a

conclusion about various relationships one may/maynot have without

the proper study of darapada and the darakaraka? Isnt marriage also

a realtionship? again no mention of the Upapada, it;s lord and the

2nd from Upa-pada. What about d9?

>

> 2.You have mentioned Satrun and mean and selfish. Again, what is

the source of this blanket statement? When 2 people are fighting and

the crowrd sees on, saturn punishes all 3. The 2 people fighting and

saturn punishes the crowrd too for not trying to stop the fight?

what does that tell you. Instead of saying statements like mean and

selfish, please understand that saturn is only concenred with

justice... and nothing else.

>

> 3. Regarding the example you have quoted about this person

checking the partners sincerity, how can you say that just because

of saturn? You mention venus being the lord of ascendant and 7th

house.you obviously meant venus as lagna lord Or 7th house. Is that

enough to have a nice relationship? Surely an afflicted 2nd lord

from Upa-pada will tell something else.

>

> 4. Since you mention saturn being exalted in libra, i would like

to know why? it cant be just because libra is a house of venus!

>

> Regards

>

> Hari

>

> -

> farrukhnauman

> vedic astrology

> Monday, September 02, 2002 10:46 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

satrun?

>

> You are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is

> concerned, saturn is very favorable. But you have to take under

> consideration, other aspects. Saturn is mean and selfish. When

one

> has a strong saturn, he/she tends to be very mean and selfish.

> Often, people with a strong saturn try to either check their

> partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just

start

> ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her.

> Only if venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a

> favorable contact, then they can favor a nice relationship. Moon

> also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all a

good

> sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on

saturn,

> since saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the

whole

> scenario.

> I hope this helps.

>

> Farrukh

> vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> > Dearest list members,

> >

> > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and

> experience .... let me

> > then ask this...

> > Since you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)

> influence on

> > relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I have

> read it is

> > mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified

Saturn

> in

> > comparative charts to create longevity between the

> > couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good in

the

> chart(S) in

> > aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between the

> couples?.....

> > -

> > "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

> satrun?

> >

> > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it

> comes

> > > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I

made a

> > > chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted

> saturn

> > > in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and

jupiter

> but

> > > still that person never had satisfaction from relationships.

> Infact,

> > > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully

> aspecting it.

> > > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in

5th,

> 7th,

> > > 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very

unfavorable

> > > position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say

one

> thing

> > > for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the great

> > > unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to

know

> that

> > > he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results

came

> out,

> > > he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy

is

> > > normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong

jupiter.

> > > Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs

old).

> So,

> > > this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if

> > > someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that

he'll go

> in

> > > seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

> > > That is all I know.

> > > I hope this helps!

> > > Farrukh

> > > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...>

wrote:

> > > > Dear members,

> > > >

> > > > Lots of interesting topics these days!

> > > >

> > > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly

> unpredictable

> > > tendency?

> > > >

> > > > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the

> height

> > > of my

> > > > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought

> > > wow...isn't this

> > > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars!

(I

> think

> > > I may

> > > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

> > > Mars/Saturn aspect

> > > > in general...)

> > > > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and

currently

> in

> > > my 1st

> > > > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

> > > started...from heart

> > > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long

> distance

> > > > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic

standpoint

> is

> > > not

> > > > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the

career...

> > > (although still

> > > > working allot)

> > > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the

> ascendant?...than

> > > the

> > > > moon?....

> > > >

> > > > as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

> > > (pm)...Montreal Canada

> > > > Thanking you all

> > > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> > > >

> > > > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra

ruled

> by

> > > mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > > <prashantnarang>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > hi

> > > > > > where is ur moon?

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > > > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > > > > competitive exam for

> > > > > > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > > > > > was running

> > > > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > > > > job, and came to

> > > > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > > > > > but complete

> > > > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > > > > > I was having a

> > > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > > > > > the age of 28.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > > > > > I was running

> > > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > > > > > going through

> > > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > > > > > is no better

> > > > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > > > > > get better.

> > > > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > > > > > Aquarius

> > > > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > > > > force that makes

> > > > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > > > > > generally most

> > > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > > > > > be a full benefic

> > > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Venkatesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > > > > sound of their death

> > > > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > > > > > of the strongest

> > > > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > > > > > higher education

> > > > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > > > > > is aries,

> > > > > > > taurus,

> > > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > > > > > me a long time to

> > > > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > > > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > > > > > ascendants I

> > > > > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > > > > > (except 4th

> > > > > > > house)

> > > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > > > > can also gain much

> > > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > > > > > with saturn is

> > > > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > > > > > and other

> > > > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > > > > > enough to assure

> > > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Farrukh

> > > > > > >

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September 3, 2002

Farrukh,

Hey, i'm a gemini asc with saturn in it..

You dont have to get so hurt and hurt in return. every one (including

katti) has a right to exist and believe and think in his own way. you

are showing a perfectly moony behaviour and thats not going to serve

a discussion group in a field such as vedic astrology.

As far as the question of vedic astrology being complete is

concerned, I feel that no field can be complete as completeness has

only one state. everything is like time, i.e. has a past, present and

future, hence trigunatmak. fields like medicine, astrology etc are

governed by eighth house primarily. Its all about exploring the

unknown. If the science is complete then how can there be any unknown

or 8th hse element ? but this explanation emanates from this science

itself so u may say its complete..forget it, its kinda paradoxical

now coming to saturn.. when katti is asking you about considering

upapada regarding marriages or relations, he's right in a way but may

not be concerned with ur context. i do agree with most of your views

regarding saturn. it always tries to be the perfect. its called Manda

in vedic astro, meaning slow. It tries to control everything by being

the slowest. so, in a way has the most say over "time" compared to

any other planet. thats why saturn's results are long lasting. but as

far strength is concerned its 30 times less in strength than sun. so

putting it all together, saturn asks for patience. if saturn is

benefic to ur asc and other planets are not very supportive then in

its transit, it'll prove to be very benevolent. it wont ignore u even

if u dont have certain skills but will give u many chances (thats

having control over time). on the other hand, if u're a very talented

person who has risen in life very fast, based on skills and talents

and again if saturn is benefic to you then the same saturn in his

transit, will cause many bad delays, frustrations and pain making

sure you respect the social structure in general and not just be

successful. Thats why saturn is hated by most. it appears to be

unjust because it denies many fruits to very capable people. but over

a long run the same person realises that everything was very "Just".

saturn is responsible for the entire socio-economic structure. it

takes decades for a newly born country to have a reasonable

infrastructure of roads, schools, judiciary, markets and other

amenities and again years to set the whole thing running straight.

saturn is responsible for all that hard work that goes in it. then

how can it allow an intelligent kid to pass out of a good college and

in a few years start making policy decisions affecting millions, if

that kid is not properly trained about the whole structure.

so saturn tries to balance, equalise everything. time, determination

and hard-work are its weapons. its like a prime minister who's the

most powerful person in a democratic country but never over-rules the

president who's like the King, the Sun.

Saturn is very friendly with venus. it likes mercury. it respects

jupiter and mars. it hates moon. The nodes are beyond the realms of

all the planets. Its the natural karaka of 8th and 12th houses which

rule longevity and moksha resp. how long anything will last is

determined by saturn. but i feel that marriages are to be judged by

the 7th house. hence the 8th hse from 7th is 2nd house and its karaka

is jupiter. So, the longevity of a marriage is to be judged by

jupiter and saturn has nothing to do with it..it is generally found

that people with good jupiter are extremely loyal to their spouse as

its their dharma or duty. but when business relations are concerned,

its more to do with "Neeti" than "Dharma" and there saturn has a role

to play. so longevity of business in general is to be judged by

saturn..

all these are my humble remarks and feedbacks are more than welcome..

Kalaay Tasmai NamaH

-prasad

vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

wrote:

> Mr katti Nehari Paeey,

> I respect your thoughts and questions but unfortunately I have got

> my mind as the source of all statements. I tried my level best to

> transform myself into a state-of-the-art robot like you, who can

> recognize only those things which are written in texts as old as

5th

> century BC. I am in the process of building a time machine and I'll

> offer you a free ride, once it is made. I'll send you back in those

> times where you'll be able to learn directly from the authors,

> jyotish, pandit, paendu, wateva. They'll be very happy to know that

> they have such a desperate follower in 21st century.

> I must say that its a pitty that I can't help you in getting a new

> mind because your upper storey is an empty sphere. There must be a

> way to get a mind into that. I am trying to contact some leading

> neurologists who can help you. Every human has the right to have

> mind, then why don't anyone think about you.

> Maybe you consider yourself as the god of our times, but then again

> I don't believe in any god. I feel pitty again. How pathetic!

> I am mad at myself that why I can't help preserve such rare piece

of

> art like you.

> Now you'll be thinking what is the source of this statement? Guess

> what! Your mails.

> Just yesterday I was chatting with a mindless creature, I don't

> wanna tell people his name, and he was telling me that Indian

> astrology can't be wrong as it is complete.

> Einstein, Newton, Stephen Hawking, they were all mad. Why did they

> try to aquire knowledge when there is only one knowledge on this

> planet that can be and is complete, INDIAN ASTROLOGY. I can't help

> laughing. hehe!

> All the great philosophers, scientists believed that one day their

> knowledge might be complete but they were never able to do it. But

> this person (the mindless creature) was telling me yesterday that

> Indian astrology is absolutely complete. Amazing isn't it!

> I should contact some supernatural being and ask him/her why only

> Indian astrology is the only knowledge that can be and is complete.

> What is fault of einstein, newton, hawking?

> hoohohohohoho!

> Some people don't know the most fundamental thing about knowledge

> and that is DOUBT. Hari, Katti, whateva, doesn't seem to have any

> doubts. But I can understand it now. He doesn't have a mind to

think

> and so to doubt. How can you expect a 90 GB hardisk to doubt.

> Whatever you store in it, will be stored. But no thinking!

> I just hope that Artificial Intelligence is created before it gets

> too late for this decaying 70 kg box of iron, steel and silicon.

> Best of luck! hari, katti, whateva you call yourself mr robot.

>

> SOURCE OF THIS EMAIL is my mind. You can't possible comprehend what

> is a mind because you don't have one. haha!

> Why am I laughing! I shouldn't make fun of such miserable creatures

> like you. How pathetic!

> I really feel sorry for you. All the members of this group should

> helps him with his disability.

> For free thinkers like myself, I should say that they should carry

> on the good work they've been doing. Certain pesticides are in

every

> field to disturb you. Just carry on!

> For Mohini, I think that you should not give up. People like this

> hari katti, will always be there to act as a real pain in the ass.

> Oops! I cut loose on that occasion.

> Farrukh

>

> vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...>

> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Farrukh, Mohini and the list,

> >

> > I have been reading up this chain regarding Saturn. I have a few

> questions.

> >

> > 1. You have mentioned that saturn is linked to the longevity of a

> relationship? what is the source of this statement? esp so since

you

> havent mentioned the role of Darapada? How can one come to a

> conclusion about various relationships one may/maynot have without

> the proper study of darapada and the darakaraka? Isnt marriage also

> a realtionship? again no mention of the Upapada, it;s lord and the

> 2nd from Upa-pada. What about d9?

> >

> > 2.You have mentioned Satrun and mean and selfish. Again, what is

> the source of this blanket statement? When 2 people are fighting

and

> the crowrd sees on, saturn punishes all 3. The 2 people fighting

and

> saturn punishes the crowrd too for not trying to stop the fight?

> what does that tell you. Instead of saying statements like mean and

> selfish, please understand that saturn is only concenred with

> justice... and nothing else.

> >

> > 3. Regarding the example you have quoted about this person

> checking the partners sincerity, how can you say that just because

> of saturn? You mention venus being the lord of ascendant and 7th

> house.you obviously meant venus as lagna lord Or 7th house. Is that

> enough to have a nice relationship? Surely an afflicted 2nd lord

> from Upa-pada will tell something else.

> >

> > 4. Since you mention saturn being exalted in libra, i would like

> to know why? it cant be just because libra is a house of venus!

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Hari

> >

> > -

> > farrukhnauman

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, September 02, 2002 10:46 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

> satrun?

> >

> > You are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is

> > concerned, saturn is very favorable. But you have to take under

> > consideration, other aspects. Saturn is mean and selfish. When

> one

> > has a strong saturn, he/she tends to be very mean and selfish.

> > Often, people with a strong saturn try to either check their

> > partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just

> start

> > ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her.

> > Only if venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a

> > favorable contact, then they can favor a nice relationship.

Moon

> > also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all a

> good

> > sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on

> saturn,

> > since saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the

> whole

> > scenario.

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Farrukh

> > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> > > Dearest list members,

> > >

> > > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and

> > experience .... let me

> > > then ask this...

> > > Since you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)

> > influence on

> > > relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I

have

> > read it is

> > > mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified

> Saturn

> > in

> > > comparative charts to create longevity between the

> > > couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good in

> the

> > chart(S) in

> > > aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between the

> > couples?.....

> > > -

> > > "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

> > satrun?

> > >

> > > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when

it

> > comes

> > > > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I

> made a

> > > > chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an

exalted

> > saturn

> > > > in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and

> jupiter

> > but

> > > > still that person never had satisfaction from

relationships.

> > Infact,

> > > > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully

> > aspecting it.

> > > > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in

> 5th,

> > 7th,

> > > > 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very

> unfavorable

> > > > position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say

> one

> > thing

> > > > for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the

great

> > > > unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to

> know

> > that

> > > > he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results

> came

> > out,

> > > > he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy

> is

> > > > normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong

> jupiter.

> > > > Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs

> old).

> > So,

> > > > this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if

> > > > someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that

> he'll go

> > in

> > > > seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

> > > > That is all I know.

> > > > I hope this helps!

> > > > Farrukh

> > > > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...>

> wrote:

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lots of interesting topics these days!

> > > > >

> > > > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly

> > unpredictable

> > > > tendency?

> > > > >

> > > > > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the

> > height

> > > > of my

> > > > > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought

> > > > wow...isn't this

> > > > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars!

> (I

> > think

> > > > I may

> > > > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

> > > > Mars/Saturn aspect

> > > > > in general...)

> > > > > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and

> currently

> > in

> > > > my 1st

> > > > > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

> > > > started...from heart

> > > > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long

> > distance

> > > > > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic

> standpoint

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the

> career...

> > > > (although still

> > > > > working allot)

> > > > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the

> > ascendant?...than

> > > > the

> > > > > moon?....

> > > > >

> > > > > as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

> > > > (pm)...Montreal Canada

> > > > > Thanking you all

> > > > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> > > > >

> > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra

> ruled

> > by

> > > > mercury

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > > > <prashantnarang>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > hi

> > > > > > > where is ur moon?

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > > > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > > > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > > > > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > > > > > competitive exam for

> > > > > > > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > > > > > > was running

> > > > > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > > > > > job, and came to

> > > > > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > > > > > > but complete

> > > > > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > > > > > > I was having a

> > > > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > > > > > > the age of 28.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > > > > > > I was running

> > > > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > > > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > > > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > > > > > > going through

> > > > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > > > > > > is no better

> > > > > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > > > > > > get better.

> > > > > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > > > > > > Aquarius

> > > > > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > > > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > > > > > force that makes

> > > > > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > > > > > > generally most

> > > > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > > > > > > be a full benefic

> > > > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Venkatesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > > > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > > > > > sound of their death

> > > > > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > > > > > > of the strongest

> > > > > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > > > > > > higher education

> > > > > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > > > > > > is aries,

> > > > > > > > taurus,

> > > > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > > > > > > me a long time to

> > > > > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > > > > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > > > > > > ascendants I

> > > > > > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > > > > > > (except 4th

> > > > > > > > house)

> > > > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > > > > > can also gain much

> > > > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > > > > > > with saturn is

> > > > > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > > > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > > > > > > and other

> > > > > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > > > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > > > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > > > > > > enough to assure

> > > > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Farrukh

> > > > > > > >

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September 3, 2002

vedic astrology, "prasadphatak" <prasadp@e...> wrote:

> Farrukh,

>

> Hey, i'm a gemini asc with saturn in it..

>

> You dont have to get so hurt and hurt in return. every one

(including

> katti) has a right to exist and believe and think in his own way.

you

> are showing a perfectly moony behaviour and thats not going to

serve

> a discussion group in a field such as vedic astrology.

>

> As far as the question of vedic astrology being complete is

> concerned, I feel that no field can be complete as completeness

has

> only one state. everything is like time, i.e. has a past, present

and

> future, hence trigunatmak. fields like medicine, astrology etc are

> governed by eighth house primarily. Its all about exploring the

> unknown. If the science is complete then how can there be any

unknown

> or 8th hse element ? but this explanation emanates from this

science

> itself so u may say its complete..forget it, its kinda

paradoxical

>

> now coming to saturn.. when katti is asking you about considering

> upapada regarding marriages or relations, he's right in a way but

may

> not be concerned with ur context. i do agree with most of your

views

> regarding saturn. it always tries to be the perfect. its called

Manda

> in vedic astro, meaning slow. It tries to control everything by

being

> the slowest. so, in a way has the most say over "time" compared to

> any other planet. thats why saturn's results are long lasting. but

as

> far strength is concerned its 30 times less in strength than sun.

so

> putting it all together, saturn asks for patience. if saturn is

> benefic to ur asc and other planets are not very supportive then

in

> its transit, it'll prove to be very benevolent. it wont ignore u

even

> if u dont have certain skills but will give u many chances (thats

> having control over time). on the other hand, if u're a very

talented

> person who has risen in life very fast, based on skills and

talents

> and again if saturn is benefic to you then the same saturn in his

> transit, will cause many bad delays, frustrations and pain making

> sure you respect the social structure in general and not just be

> successful. Thats why saturn is hated by most. it appears to be

> unjust because it denies many fruits to very capable people. but

over

> a long run the same person realises that everything was

very "Just".

> saturn is responsible for the entire socio-economic structure. it

> takes decades for a newly born country to have a reasonable

> infrastructure of roads, schools, judiciary, markets and other

> amenities and again years to set the whole thing running straight.

> saturn is responsible for all that hard work that goes in it. then

> how can it allow an intelligent kid to pass out of a good college

and

> in a few years start making policy decisions affecting millions,

if

> that kid is not properly trained about the whole structure.

>

> so saturn tries to balance, equalise everything. time,

determination

> and hard-work are its weapons. its like a prime minister who's the

> most powerful person in a democratic country but never over-rules

the

> president who's like the King, the Sun.

>

> Saturn is very friendly with venus. it likes mercury. it respects

> jupiter and mars. it hates moon. The nodes are beyond the realms

of

> all the planets. Its the natural karaka of 8th and 12th houses

which

> rule longevity and moksha resp. how long anything will last is

> determined by saturn. but i feel that marriages are to be judged

by

> the 7th house. hence the 8th hse from 7th is 2nd house and its

karaka

> is jupiter. So, the longevity of a marriage is to be judged by

> jupiter and saturn has nothing to do with it..it is generally

found

> that people with good jupiter are extremely loyal to their spouse

as

> its their dharma or duty. but when business relations are

concerned,

> its more to do with "Neeti" than "Dharma" and there saturn has a

role

> to play. so longevity of business in general is to be judged by

> saturn..

>

> all these are my humble remarks and feedbacks are more than

welcome..

>

> Kalaay Tasmai NamaH

>

> -prasad

>

> vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

> wrote:

> > Mr katti Nehari Paeey,

> > I respect your thoughts and questions but unfortunately I have

got

> > my mind as the source of all statements. I tried my level best

to

> > transform myself into a state-of-the-art robot like you, who can

> > recognize only those things which are written in texts as old as

> 5th

> > century BC. I am in the process of building a time machine and

I'll

> > offer you a free ride, once it is made. I'll send you back in

those

> > times where you'll be able to learn directly from the authors,

> > jyotish, pandit, paendu, wateva. They'll be very happy to know

that

> > they have such a desperate follower in 21st century.

> > I must say that its a pitty that I can't help you in getting a

new

> > mind because your upper storey is an empty sphere. There must be

a

> > way to get a mind into that. I am trying to contact some leading

> > neurologists who can help you. Every human has the right to have

> > mind, then why don't anyone think about you.

> > Maybe you consider yourself as the god of our times, but then

again

> > I don't believe in any god. I feel pitty again. How pathetic!

> > I am mad at myself that why I can't help preserve such rare

piece

> of

> > art like you.

> > Now you'll be thinking what is the source of this statement?

Guess

> > what! Your mails.

> > Just yesterday I was chatting with a mindless creature, I don't

> > wanna tell people his name, and he was telling me that Indian

> > astrology can't be wrong as it is complete.

> > Einstein, Newton, Stephen Hawking, they were all mad. Why did

they

> > try to aquire knowledge when there is only one knowledge on this

> > planet that can be and is complete, INDIAN ASTROLOGY. I can't

help

> > laughing. hehe!

> > All the great philosophers, scientists believed that one day

their

> > knowledge might be complete but they were never able to do it.

But

> > this person (the mindless creature) was telling me yesterday

that

> > Indian astrology is absolutely complete. Amazing isn't it!

> > I should contact some supernatural being and ask him/her why

only

> > Indian astrology is the only knowledge that can be and is

complete.

> > What is fault of einstein, newton, hawking?

> > hoohohohohoho!

> > Some people don't know the most fundamental thing about

knowledge

> > and that is DOUBT. Hari, Katti, whateva, doesn't seem to have

any

> > doubts. But I can understand it now. He doesn't have a mind to

> think

> > and so to doubt. How can you expect a 90 GB hardisk to doubt.

> > Whatever you store in it, will be stored. But no thinking!

> > I just hope that Artificial Intelligence is created before it

gets

> > too late for this decaying 70 kg box of iron, steel and silicon.

> > Best of luck! hari, katti, whateva you call yourself mr robot.

> >

> > SOURCE OF THIS EMAIL is my mind. You can't possible comprehend

what

> > is a mind because you don't have one. haha!

> > Why am I laughing! I shouldn't make fun of such miserable

creatures

> > like you. How pathetic!

> > I really feel sorry for you. All the members of this group

should

> > helps him with his disability.

> > For free thinkers like myself, I should say that they should

carry

> > on the good work they've been doing. Certain pesticides are in

> every

> > field to disturb you. Just carry on!

> > For Mohini, I think that you should not give up. People like

this

> > hari katti, will always be there to act as a real pain in the

ass.

> > Oops! I cut loose on that occasion.

> > Farrukh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari"

<katti_narahari@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Farrukh, Mohini and the list,

> > >

> > > I have been reading up this chain regarding Saturn. I have a

few

> > questions.

> > >

> > > 1. You have mentioned that saturn is linked to the longevity

of a

> > relationship? what is the source of this statement? esp so since

> you

> > havent mentioned the role of Darapada? How can one come to a

> > conclusion about various relationships one may/maynot have

without

> > the proper study of darapada and the darakaraka? Isnt marriage

also

> > a realtionship? again no mention of the Upapada, it;s lord and

the

> > 2nd from Upa-pada. What about d9?

> > >

> > > 2.You have mentioned Satrun and mean and selfish. Again, what

is

> > the source of this blanket statement? When 2 people are fighting

> and

> > the crowrd sees on, saturn punishes all 3. The 2 people fighting

> and

> > saturn punishes the crowrd too for not trying to stop the fight?

> > what does that tell you. Instead of saying statements like mean

and

> > selfish, please understand that saturn is only concenred with

> > justice... and nothing else.

> > >

> > > 3. Regarding the example you have quoted about this person

> > checking the partners sincerity, how can you say that just

because

> > of saturn? You mention venus being the lord of ascendant and 7th

> > house.you obviously meant venus as lagna lord Or 7th house. Is

that

> > enough to have a nice relationship? Surely an afflicted 2nd lord

> > from Upa-pada will tell something else.

> > >

> > > 4. Since you mention saturn being exalted in libra, i would

like

> > to know why? it cant be just because libra is a house of venus!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Hari

> > >

> > > -

> > > farrukhnauman

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Monday, September 02, 2002 10:46 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

> > satrun?

> > >

> > > You are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is

> > > concerned, saturn is very favorable. But you have to take

under

> > > consideration, other aspects. Saturn is mean and selfish.

When

> > one

> > > has a strong saturn, he/she tends to be very mean and

selfish.

> > > Often, people with a strong saturn try to either check their

> > > partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just

> > start

> > > ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her.

> > > Only if venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in

a

> > > favorable contact, then they can favor a nice relationship.

> Moon

> > > also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all

a

> > good

> > > sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on

> > saturn,

> > > since saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the

> > whole

> > > scenario.

> > > I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Farrukh

> > > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...>

wrote:

> > > > Dearest list members,

> > > >

> > > > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and

> > > experience .... let me

> > > > then ask this...

> > > > Since you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's

(bad?)

> > > influence on

> > > > relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I

> have

> > > read it is

> > > > mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified

> > Saturn

> > > in

> > > > comparative charts to create longevity between the

> > > > couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good

in

> > the

> > > chart(S) in

> > > > aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between

the

> > > couples?.....

> > > > -

> > > > "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and

unpredictable

> > > satrun?

> > > >

> > > > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic

when

> it

> > > comes

> > > > > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once

I

> > made a

> > > > > chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an

> exalted

> > > saturn

> > > > > in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and

> > jupiter

> > > but

> > > > > still that person never had satisfaction from

> relationships.

> > > Infact,

> > > > > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully

> > > aspecting it.

> > > > > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in

> > 5th,

> > > 7th,

> > > > > 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very

> > unfavorable

> > > > > position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can

say

> > one

> > > thing

> > > > > for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the

> great

> > > > > unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to

> > know

> > > that

> > > > > he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative

results

> > came

> > > out,

> > > > > he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in

philosophy

> > is

> > > > > normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong

> > jupiter.

> > > > > Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt

80yrs

> > old).

> > > So,

> > > > > this explains everything. That is why some texts say

that if

> > > > > someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that

> > he'll go

> > > in

> > > > > seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

> > > > > That is all I know.

> > > > > I hope this helps!

> > > > > Farrukh

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lots of interesting topics these days!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly

> > > unpredictable

> > > > > tendency?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at

the

> > > height

> > > > > of my

> > > > > > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I

thought

> > > > > wow...isn't this

> > > > > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my

Mars!

> > (I

> > > think

> > > > > I may

> > > > > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

> > > > > Mars/Saturn aspect

> > > > > > in general...)

> > > > > > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and

> > currently

> > > in

> > > > > my 1st

> > > > > > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

> > > > > started...from heart

> > > > > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family

problems....long

> > > distance

> > > > > > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic

> > standpoint

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the

> > career...

> > > > > (although still

> > > > > > working allot)

> > > > > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the

> > > ascendant?...than

> > > > > the

> > > > > > moon?....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

> > > > > (pm)...Montreal Canada

> > > > > > Thanking you all

> > > > > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha

Nakshatra

> > ruled

> > > by

> > > > > mercury

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > > > > <prashantnarang>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > hi

> > > > > > > > where is ur moon?

> > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > > > > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > > > > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the

first

> > > > > > > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > > > > > > competitive exam for

> > > > > > > > > bank officers in india and became a bank

officer. I

> > > > > > > > > was running

> > > > > > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > > > > > > job, and came to

> > > > > > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2

yrs,

> > > > > > > > > but complete

> > > > > > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-

educated.

> > > > > > > > > I was having a

> > > > > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on

someone at

> > > > > > > > > the age of 28.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's

position.

> > > > > > > > > I was running

> > > > > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > > > > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > > > > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I

was

> > > > > > > > > going through

> > > > > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now

also it

> > > > > > > > > is no better

> > > > > > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this

will

> > > > > > > > > get better.

> > > > > > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people

with

> > > > > > > > > Aquarius

> > > > > > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > > > > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > > > > > > force that makes

> > > > > > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It

is

> > > > > > > > > generally most

> > > > > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But

to

> > > > > > > > > be a full benefic

> > > > > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Venkatesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > > > > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > > > > > > sound of their death

> > > > > > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be

one

> > > > > > > > > of the strongest

> > > > > > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement,

fame,

> > > > > > > > > higher education

> > > > > > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant

(lagna)

> > > > > > > > > is aries,

> > > > > > > > > taurus,

> > > > > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll

take

> > > > > > > > > me a long time to

> > > > > > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a

strong

> > > > > > > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got

the

> > > > > > > > > ascendants I

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the

angles

> > > > > > > > > (except 4th

> > > > > > > > > house)

> > > > > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > > > > > > can also gain much

> > > > > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The

problem

> > > > > > > > > with saturn is

> > > > > > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > > > > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in

love

> > > > > > > > > and other

> > > > > > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > > > > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > > > > > > then you can say that even only a strong

saturn is

> > > > > > > > > enough to assure

> > > > > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > > > > > > >

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September 3, 2002

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Visti,

The real problem between marital problems has to be Mars. The manifestation of

Kuja dosha is what causes arguments, violence et al. While mercury signifies

good speech, wit, humour, mars is against mercury and hence casues arguements,

litigation etc. Saturn exalts in the natural 7th because the greatest pleasure

Saturn derives is that from being a servant. This is the primary reason.

Comments/Corrections are welcome.

Regds

Hari

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:17 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable satrun? Reply to Farrukh, Mohini et al

Vyam Vysaadevaaya

Namah--------------------------------Dear

Prasad,The knowledge was given by Brahma.. it must be perfect. The rest depends

on the Astrologer.How can Saturn be an enemy of marriage? Doesn't it exalt in

the Natural 7th? Indeed it can ruin the marriage, but is it the real cause of

all marital problems? Some external circumstances maybe there which cause the

break, but these are only excuses.. Best wishes, Visti.--- In

vedic astrology, "prasadphatak" <prasadp@e...> wrote:> Farrukh,> > Hey,

i'm a gemini asc with saturn in it..> > You dont have to get so hurt and hurt

in return. every one (including > katti) has a right to exist and believe and

think in his own way. you > are showing a perfectly moony behaviour and thats

not going to serve > a discussion group in a field such as vedic astrology. >

> As far as the question of vedic astrology being complete is > concerned, I

feel that no field can be complete as completeness has > only one state.

everything is like time, i.e. has a past, present and > future, hence

trigunatmak. fields like medicine, astrology etc are > governed by eighth house

primarily. Its all about exploring the > unknown. If the science is complete

then how can there be any unknown > or 8th hse element ? but this explanation

emanates from this science > itself so u may say its complete..forget it, its

kinda paradoxical > > now coming to saturn.. when katti is asking you about

considering > upapada regarding marriages or relations, he's right in a way but

may > not be concerned with ur context. i do agree with most of your views >

regarding saturn. it always tries to be the perfect. its called Manda > in

vedic astro, meaning slow. It tries to control everything by being > the

slowest. so, in a way has the most say over "time" compared to > any other

planet. thats why saturn's results are long lasting. but as > far strength is

concerned its 30 times less in strength than sun. so > putting it all together,

saturn asks for patience. if saturn is > benefic to ur asc and other planets are

not very supportive then in > its transit, it'll prove to be very benevolent. it

wont ignore u even > if u dont have certain skills but will give u many chances

(thats > having control over time). on the other hand, if u're a very talented

> person who has risen in life very fast, based on skills and talents > and

again if saturn is benefic to you then the same saturn in his > transit, will

cause many bad delays, frustrations and pain making > sure you respect the

social structure in general and not just be > successful. Thats why saturn is

hated by most. it appears to be > unjust because it denies many fruits to very

capable people. but over > a long run the same person realises that everything

was very "Just". > saturn is responsible for the entire socio-economic

structure. it > takes decades for a newly born country to have a reasonable >

infrastructure of roads, schools, judiciary, markets and other > amenities and

again years to set the whole thing running straight. > saturn is responsible

for all that hard work that goes in it. then > how can it allow an intelligent

kid to pass out of a good college and > in a few years start making policy

decisions affecting millions, if > that kid is not properly trained about the

whole structure. > > so saturn tries to balance, equalise everything. time,

determination > and hard-work are its weapons. its like a prime minister who's

the > most powerful person in a democratic country but never over-rules the >

president who's like the King, the Sun.> > Saturn is very friendly with venus.

it likes mercury. it respects > jupiter and mars. it hates moon. The nodes are

beyond the realms of > all the planets. Its the natural karaka of 8th and 12th

houses which > rule longevity and moksha resp. how long anything will last is >

determined by saturn. but i feel that marriages are to be judged by > the 7th

house. hence the 8th hse from 7th is 2nd house and its karaka > is jupiter. So,

the longevity of a marriage is to be judged by > jupiter and saturn has nothing

to do with it..it is generally found > that people with good jupiter are

extremely loyal to their spouse as > its their dharma or duty. but when

business relations are concerned, > its more to do with "Neeti" than "Dharma"

and there saturn has a role > to play. so longevity of business in general is

to be judged by > saturn..> > all these are my humble remarks and feedbacks are

more than welcome..> > Kalaay Tasmai NamaH> > -prasad> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman> > wrote:> > Mr katti

Nehari Paeey,> > I respect your thoughts and questions but unfortunately I have

got > > my mind as the source of all statements. I tried my level best to > >

transform myself into a state-of-the-art robot like you, who can > > recognize

only those things which are written in texts as old as > 5th > > century BC. I

am in the process of building a time machine and I'll > > offer you a free

ride, once it is made. I'll send you back in those > > times where you'll be

able to learn directly from the authors, > > jyotish, pandit, paendu, wateva.

They'll be very happy to know that > > they have such a desperate follower in

21st century.> > I must say that its a pitty that I can't help you in getting a

new > > mind because your upper storey is an empty sphere. There must be a > >

way to get a mind into that. I am trying to contact some leading > >

neurologists who can help you. Every human has the right to have > > mind, then

why don't anyone think about you.> > Maybe you consider yourself as the god of

our times, but then again > > I don't believe in any god. I feel pitty again.

How pathetic!> > I am mad at myself that why I can't help preserve such rare

piece > of > > art like you.> > Now you'll be thinking what is the source of

this statement? Guess > > what! Your mails.> > Just yesterday I was chatting

with a mindless creature, I don't > > wanna tell people his name, and he was

telling me that Indian > > astrology can't be wrong as it is complete.> >

Einstein, Newton, Stephen Hawking, they were all mad. Why did they > > try to

aquire knowledge when there is only one knowledge on this > > planet that can

be and is complete, INDIAN ASTROLOGY. I can't help > > laughing. hehe!> > All

the great philosophers, scientists believed that one day their > > knowledge

might be complete but they were never able to do it. But > > this person (the

mindless creature) was telling me yesterday that > > Indian astrology is

absolutely complete. Amazing isn't it!> > I should contact some supernatural

being and ask him/her why only > > Indian astrology is the only knowledge that

can be and is complete. > > What is fault of einstein, newton, hawking?> >

hoohohohohoho!> > Some people don't know the most fundamental thing about

knowledge > > and that is DOUBT. Hari, Katti, whateva, doesn't seem to have any

> > doubts. But I can understand it now. He doesn't have a mind to > think > >

and so to doubt. How can you expect a 90 GB hardisk to doubt. > > Whatever you

store in it, will be stored. But no thinking!> > I just hope that Artificial

Intelligence is created before it gets > > too late for this decaying 70 kg box

of iron, steel and silicon.> > Best of luck! hari, katti, whateva you call

yourself mr robot.> > > > SOURCE OF THIS EMAIL is my mind. You can't possible

comprehend what > > is a mind because you don't have one. haha!> > Why am I

laughing! I shouldn't make fun of such miserable creatures > > like you. How

pathetic!> > I really feel sorry for you. All the members of this group should

> > helps him with his disability.> > For free thinkers like myself, I should

say that they should carry > > on the good work they've been doing. Certain

pesticides are in > every > > field to disturb you. Just carry on!> > For

Mohini, I think that you should not give up. People like this > > hari katti,

will always be there to act as a real pain in the ass.> > Oops! I cut loose on

that occasion.> > Farrukh> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Katti

Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> > > wrote:> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Dear

Farrukh, Mohini and the list,> > > > > > I have been reading up this chain

regarding Saturn. I have a few > > questions.> > > > > > 1. You have mentioned

that saturn is linked to the longevity of a > > relationship? what is the

source of this statement? esp so since > you > > havent mentioned the role of

Darapada? How can one come to a > > conclusion about various relationships one

may/maynot have without > > the proper study of darapada and the darakaraka?

Isnt marriage also > > a realtionship? again no mention of the Upapada, it;s

lord and the > > 2nd from Upa-pada. What about d9?> > > > > > 2.You have

mentioned Satrun and mean and selfish. Again, what is > > the source of this

blanket statement? When 2 people are fighting > and > > the crowrd sees on,

saturn punishes all 3. The 2 people fighting > and > > saturn punishes the

crowrd too for not trying to stop the fight? > > what does that tell you.

Instead of saying statements like mean and > > selfish, please understand that

saturn is only concenred with > > justice... and nothing else.> > > > > > 3.

Regarding the example you have quoted about this person > > checking the

partners sincerity, how can you say that just because > > of saturn? You

mention venus being the lord of ascendant and 7th > > house.you obviously meant

venus as lagna lord Or 7th house. Is that > > enough to have a nice

relationship? Surely an afflicted 2nd lord > > from Upa-pada will tell

something else.> > > > > > 4. Since you mention saturn being exalted in libra,

i would like > > to know why? it cant be just because libra is a house of

venus!> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Hari> > > > > > > > > ----- Original

Message ----- > > > farrukhnauman > > > vedic astrology > >

> Monday, September 02, 2002 10:46 PM> > > [vedic astrology]

Re: Interesting and unpredictable > > satrun?> > > > > > > > > You are right.

As far as the longevity of a relationship is > > > concerned, saturn is very

favorable. But you have to take under > > > consideration, other aspects.

Saturn is mean and selfish. When > > one > > > has a strong saturn, he/she

tends to be very mean and selfish. > > > Often, people with a strong saturn

try to either check their > > > partner's sincerity with their own psycho

ways or they just > > start > > > ignoring their partner when they are fed up

of him/her.> > > Only if venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a

> > > favorable contact, then they can favor a nice relationship. > Moon > > >

also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all a > > good > > >

sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on > > saturn, > > >

since saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the > > whole > > >

scenario.> > > I hope this helps.> > > > > > Farrukh> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:> > > > Dearest list

members,> > > > > > > > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and

> > > experience .... let me> > > > then ask this...> > > > Since

you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)> > > influence on> > > >

relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I > have > > > read

it is> > > > mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified > >

Saturn > > > in> > > > comparative charts to create longevity between the>

> > > couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good in > > the > >

> chart(S) in> > > > aspects to each other,there will not be longevity

between the > > > couples?.....> > > > -> > >

> "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>> > > > To:

<vedic astrology>> > > > Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM> > >

> [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable > > > satrun?>

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest

malefic when > it > > > comes> > > > > to relationships. I've experienced

it all my life. Once I > > made a> > > > > chart of a person with libra

ascendant and he had an > exalted > > > saturn> > > > > in his first house

and venus was in 9th with mercury and > > jupiter > > > but> > > > > still

that person never had satisfaction from > relationships. > > > Infact,> > >

> > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully > > > aspecting

it.> > > > > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in > >

5th, > > > 7th,> > > > > 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a

very > > unfavorable> > > > > position for saturn. I don't know the reason

but I can say > > one > > > thing> > > > > for sure and that is if you read

the biographies of the > great> > > > > unorthodox philosophers such as

voltaire, you'll come to > > know > > > that> > > > > he checked his wife's

sincerity and when negative results > > came > > > out,> > > > > he just ran

away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy > > is> > > > > normally

caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong > > jupiter.> > > > > Some

people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs > > old). > > > So,> > >

> > this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if> > > > >

someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that > > he'll go > > >

in> > > > > seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.> > > > > That is

all I know.> > > > > I hope this helps!> > > > > Farrukh> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear

members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Lots of interesting topics these

days!> > > > > >> > > > > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's

seemingly > > > unpredictable> > > > > tendency?> > > > > >> > > > > >

When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the > > > height> > > >

> of my> > > > > > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought> >

> > > wow...isn't this> > > > > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house

aspected my Mars! > > (I > > > think> > > > > I may> > > > > > have asked

a questions about this a few weeks ago...the> > > > > Mars/Saturn aspect> > >

> > > in general...)> > > > > > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th

house and > > currently > > > in> > > > > my 1st> > > > > >

house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really> > > > >

started...from heart> > > > > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family

problems....long > > > distance> > > > > > travel..mild

....depression....(which from the Vedic > > standpoint > > > is> > > > >

not> > > > > > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the > >

career...> > > > > (although still> > > > > > working allot)> > > > > >

Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the > > > ascendant?...than> > > >

> the> > > > > > moon?....> > > > > >> > > > > > as an aside...Birth

data...September 26,1958...23:27> > > > > (pm)...Montreal Canada> > > > > >

Thanking you all> > > > > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd> > > > > >> > >

> > > -> > > > > > "swamyvk"

<swamyvk>> > > > > > <vedic astrology>> > > > > > Sent:

Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:

The great malefic Saturn> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Moon is in

Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra > > ruled > > > by> > > > >

mercury> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology, prashant

narang> > > > > <prashantnarang>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >

hi> > > > > > > > where is ur moon?> > > > > > > > prashant> > > > > > >

> --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:> > > > > > > > > I have aquarius

ascendant with Saturn in the 12th> > > > > > > > > with ketu. I have> > > >

> > > > > mixed results as follows:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. In

1986, My father passed away during the first> > > > > > > > > Sade-saati (7

1/2> > > > > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a> > > >

> > > > > competitive exam for> > > > > > > > > bank officers in india and

became a bank officer. I> > > > > > > > > was running> > > > > > > > >

Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th> > > > > > > > > house.> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit

my> > > > > > > > > job, and came to> > > > > > > > > the USA. It was a mix

of things. No job for 2 yrs,> > > > > > > > > but complete> > > > > > > > >

support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.> > > > > > > > > I was

having a> > > > > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone

at> > > > > > > > > the age of 28.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3.

In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.> > > > > > > > > I was

running> > > > > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to> > > >

> > > > > increased tension a zero> > > > > > > > > support from the immediate

boss.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus

in 2000, I was> > > > > > > > > going through> > > > > > > > > hell. No

peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it> > > > > > > > > is no better> >

> > > > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will> > > > >

> > > > get better.> > > > > > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that

people with> > > > > > > > > Aquarius> > > > > > > > > ascendants were

going through hell at that time> > > > > > > > > (around 2000-2001)> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary>

> > > > > > > > force that makes> > > > > > > > > you pay for your karma in

the previous lives. It is> > > > > > > > > generally most> > > > > > > > >

benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to> > > > > > > > > be a full

benefic> > > > > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably> > > >

> > > > > Jupiter.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Venkatesh> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"> > > >

> > > > > <farrukhnauman>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >

People often talk about saturn as if it is the> > > > > > > > > sound of

their death> > > > > > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be

one> > > > > > > > > of the strongest> > > > > > > > > > planets when it

comes to career advancement, fame,> > > > > > > > > higher education> > > >

> > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)> > > > > > > >

> is aries,> > > > > > > > > taurus,> > > > > > > > > > gemini, libra,

capricorn or aquarius. It'll take> > > > > > > > > me a long time to> > > >

> > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong> > > > > > > > >

saturn but I can> > > > > > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've

got the> > > > > > > > > ascendants I> > > > > > > > > > mentioned before

and your saturn is in the angles> > > > > > > > > (except 4th> > > > > > >

> > house)> > > > > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high

and> > > > > > > > > can also gain much> > > > > > > > > > fame. Don't be

afraid of this planet. The problem> > > > > > > > > with saturn is> > > > >

> > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and> > > > > > > > > therefore,

people with a> > > > > > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in

love> > > > > > > > > and other> > > > > > > > > > emotional matters but

when it comes to career> > > > > > > > > advancement and fame,> > > > > > >

> > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is> > > > > > > > >

enough to assure> > > > > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.> > > >

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September 3, 2002

Vyam Vyasaadevaaya Namah

Dear Katti,

Its not clear with me yet.. What is Saturns greatest enjoyment? Saturn is

Dharmaraja. Please do tell more.

Best wishes, Visti.

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Katti Narahari

vedic astrology

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:10 PM

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