Interesting and unpredictable satrun?

September 1, 2002

Dear members,

Lots of interesting topics these days!

May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly unpredictable tendency?

When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the height of my

career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought wow...isn't this

odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I think I may

have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the Mars/Saturn aspect

in general...)

Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and currently in my 1st

house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really started...from heart

ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long distance

travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic standpoint is not

auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the career...(although still

working allot)

Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the ascendant?...than the

moon?....

as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27(pm)...Montreal Canada

Thanking you all

respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

-

"swamyvk" <swamyvk

Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra ruled by mercury

>

> vedic astrology, prashant narang <prashantnarang>

> wrote:

> > hi

> > where is ur moon?

> > prashant

> > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > with ketu. I have

> > > mixed results as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > competitive exam for

> > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > was running

> > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > job, and came to

> > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > but complete

> > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > I was having a

> > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > the age of 28.

> > >

> > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > I was running

> > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > increased tension a zero

> > > support from the immediate boss.

> > >

> > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > going through

> > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > is no better

> > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > get better.

> > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > Aquarius

> > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > (around 2000-2001)

> > >

> > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > force that makes

> > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > generally most

> > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > be a full benefic

> > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Venkatesh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > wrote:

> > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > sound of their death

> > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > of the strongest

> > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > higher education

> > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > is aries,

> > > taurus,

> > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > me a long time to

> > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > saturn but I can

> > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > ascendants I

> > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > (except 4th

> > > house)

> > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > can also gain much

> > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > with saturn is

> > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > therefore, people with a

> > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > and other

> > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > advancement and fame,

> > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > enough to assure

> > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > >

> > > > Farrukh

> > >

> >

> > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

> > http://finance.

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

September 2, 2002

I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it comes

to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I made a

chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted saturn

in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and jupiter but

still that person never had satisfaction from relationships. Infact,

all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully aspecting it.

If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in 5th, 7th,

10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very unfavorable

position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say one thing

for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the great

unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to know that

he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results came out,

he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy is

normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong jupiter.

Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs old). So,

this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if

someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that he'll go in

seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

That is all I know.

I hope this helps!

Farrukh

vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> Dear members,

>

> Lots of interesting topics these days!

>

> May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly unpredictable

tendency?

>

> When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the height

of my

> career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought

wow...isn't this

> odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I think

I may

> have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

Mars/Saturn aspect

> in general...)

> Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and currently in

my 1st

> house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

started...from heart

> ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long distance

> travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic standpoint is

not

> auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the career...

(although still

> working allot)

> Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the ascendant?...than

the

> moon?....

>

> as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

(pm)...Montreal Canada

> Thanking you all

> respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

>

> -

> "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> <vedic astrology>

> Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

>

> > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra ruled by

mercury

> >

> > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > wrote:

> > > hi

> > > where is ur moon?

> > > prashant

> > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > >

> > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > competitive exam for

> > > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > > was running

> > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > job, and came to

> > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > > but complete

> > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > > I was having a

> > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > > the age of 28.

> > > >

> > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > > I was running

> > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > >

> > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > > going through

> > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > > is no better

> > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > > get better.

> > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > > Aquarius

> > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > >

> > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > force that makes

> > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > > generally most

> > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > > be a full benefic

> > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > Jupiter.

> > > >

> > > > Venkatesh

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > sound of their death

> > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > > of the strongest

> > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > > higher education

> > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > > is aries,

> > > > taurus,

> > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > > me a long time to

> > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > > ascendants I

> > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > > (except 4th

> > > > house)

> > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > can also gain much

> > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > > with saturn is

> > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > > and other

> > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > > enough to assure

> > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Farrukh

> > > >

> > >

> > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

> > > http://finance.

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

September 2, 2002

Dearest list members,

Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and experience .... let me

then ask this...

Since you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)influence on

relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I have read it is

mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified Saturn in

comparative charts to create longevity between the

couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good in the chart(S) in

aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between the couples?.....

-

"farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman

Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable satrun?

> I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it comes

> to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I made a

> chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted saturn

> in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and jupiter but

> still that person never had satisfaction from relationships. Infact,

> all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully aspecting it.

> If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in 5th, 7th,

> 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very unfavorable

> position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say one thing

> for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the great

> unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to know that

> he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results came out,

> he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy is

> normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong jupiter.

> Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs old). So,

> this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if

> someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that he'll go in

> seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

> That is all I know.

> I hope this helps!

> Farrukh

> vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> > Dear members,

> >

> > Lots of interesting topics these days!

> >

> > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly unpredictable

> tendency?

> >

> > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the height

> of my

> > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought

> wow...isn't this

> > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I think

> I may

> > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

> Mars/Saturn aspect

> > in general...)

> > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and currently in

> my 1st

> > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

> started...from heart

> > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long distance

> > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic standpoint is

> not

> > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the career...

> (although still

> > working allot)

> > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the ascendant?...than

> the

> > moon?....

> >

> > as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

> (pm)...Montreal Canada

> > Thanking you all

> > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

> >

> > -

> > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> >

> > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra ruled by

> mercury

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> <prashantnarang>

> > > wrote:

> > > > hi

> > > > where is ur moon?

> > > > prashant

> > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > > competitive exam for

> > > > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > > > was running

> > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > > job, and came to

> > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > > > but complete

> > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > > > I was having a

> > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > > > the age of 28.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > > > I was running

> > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > > > going through

> > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > > > is no better

> > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > > > get better.

> > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > > > Aquarius

> > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > > >

> > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > > force that makes

> > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > > > generally most

> > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > > > be a full benefic

> > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venkatesh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > > sound of their death

> > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > > > of the strongest

> > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > > > higher education

> > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > > > is aries,

> > > > > taurus,

> > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > > > me a long time to

> > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > > > ascendants I

> > > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > > > (except 4th

> > > > > house)

> > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > > can also gain much

> > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > > > with saturn is

> > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > > > and other

> > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > > > enough to assure

> > > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Farrukh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

> > > > http://finance.

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

September 2, 2002

You are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is

concerned, saturn is very favorable. But you have to take under

consideration, other aspects. Saturn is mean and selfish. When one

has a strong saturn, he/she tends to be very mean and selfish.

Often, people with a strong saturn try to either check their

partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just start

ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her.

Only if venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a

favorable contact, then they can favor a nice relationship. Moon

also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all a good

sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on saturn,

since saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the whole

scenario.

I hope this helps.

Farrukh

vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> Dearest list members,

>

> Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and

experience .... let me

> then ask this...

> Since you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)

influence on

> relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I have

read it is

> mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified Saturn

in

> comparative charts to create longevity between the

> couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good in the

chart(S) in

> aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between the

couples?.....

> -

> "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

> <vedic astrology>

> Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

satrun?

>

> > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it

comes

> > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I made a

> > chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted

saturn

> > in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and jupiter

but

> > still that person never had satisfaction from relationships.

Infact,

> > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully

aspecting it.

> > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in 5th,

7th,

> > 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very unfavorable

> > position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say one

thing

> > for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the great

> > unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to know

that

> > he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results came

out,

> > he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy is

> > normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong jupiter.

> > Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs old).

So,

> > this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if

> > someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that he'll go

in

> > seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

> > That is all I know.

> > I hope this helps!

> > Farrukh

> > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > Lots of interesting topics these days!

> > >

> > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly

unpredictable

> > tendency?

> > >

> > > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the

height

> > of my

> > > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought

> > wow...isn't this

> > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I

think

> > I may

> > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

> > Mars/Saturn aspect

> > > in general...)

> > > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and currently

in

> > my 1st

> > > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

> > started...from heart

> > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long

distance

> > > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic standpoint

is

> > not

> > > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the career...

> > (although still

> > > working allot)

> > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the

ascendant?...than

> > the

> > > moon?....

> > >

> > > as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

> > (pm)...Montreal Canada

> > > Thanking you all

> > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

> > >

> > > -

> > > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> > >

> > > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra ruled

by

> > mercury

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > <prashantnarang>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > hi

> > > > > where is ur moon?

> > > > > prashant

> > > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > > > competitive exam for

> > > > > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > > > > was running

> > > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > > > job, and came to

> > > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > > > > but complete

> > > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > > > > I was having a

> > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > > > > the age of 28.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > > > > I was running

> > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > > > > going through

> > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > > > > is no better

> > > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > > > > get better.

> > > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > > > > Aquarius

> > > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > > > force that makes

> > > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > > > > generally most

> > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > > > > be a full benefic

> > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venkatesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > > > sound of their death

> > > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > > > > of the strongest

> > > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > > > > higher education

> > > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > > > > is aries,

> > > > > > taurus,

> > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > > > > me a long time to

> > > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > > > > ascendants I

> > > > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > > > > (except 4th

> > > > > > house)

> > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > > > can also gain much

> > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > > > > with saturn is

> > > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > > > > and other

> > > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > > > > enough to assure

> > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Farrukh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

> > > > > http://finance.

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

> > astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

@e...

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

September 2, 2002

Dear Farrukhnauman...

I really like the way you gave that little ditty on how:

"Only if Venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a favourable

contact, then they can favour a nice relationship"

Still on the topic of Saturn...

You have mentioned that Saturn is mean and selfish

May I ask.... Is it that when Saturn is dignified or and /or well aspected

.... (and even necessary in a spiritualist chart...including Saturn's much

needed detachment vibe...(especially on moon) for a Sanyasi.)... that he can

"sober" the chart in a less "mean and selfish" way?

One case I know of is a Sanyasi renunciate with exalted Saturn in the 5th

with Sun, and Saturn's aspect on his moon.

This person is famous for his intelligent,personable public relations and

cultured "Libra" ways, heavily involved in writing and directing

theatre,being featured in high profile movie documentaries,nothing dark or

dreary in his chart! But yet he is one of the few Canadians who has walked

across Canada!..."..which is the longest road! (Now that would be a

Saturnian trait!) and also impeccable sadhana for many

years ...about 34 years...also he was never married + ,thusly celibate!

May-be you could present some astrological thoughts/examples as to when

Saturn is nicely placed?...and what would be examples of a total brutal

"Mean and Selfish Saturn!...

I have Saturn in 6th aspected by Mars in 12th!

"Often, people with a strong Saturn try to either check their

partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just start

ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her..."

I think that I may have to admit to doing this!...(just a little! bit

though!!!)

Would that be "good"in the malefics are in dusthanas?They have to be

somewhere,no?...lol

My info...September 26,1958...23:27(PM)...Montreal ,Quebec Canada

any suggestions???(!)

thank-you respectfully...mmdd

-

"farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman

Monday, September 02, 2002 11:16 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable satrun?

> You are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is

> concerned, saturn is very favorable. But you have to take under

> consideration, other aspects. Saturn is mean and selfish. When one

> has a strong saturn, he/she tends to be very mean and selfish.

> Often, people with a strong saturn try to either check their

> partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just start

> ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her.

> Only if venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a

> favorable contact, then they can favor a nice relationship. Moon

> also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all a good

> sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on saturn,

> since saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the whole

> scenario.

> I hope this helps.

>

> Farrukh

> vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> > Dearest list members,

> >

> > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and

> experience .... let me

> > then ask this...

> > Since you mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)

> influence on

> > relationships then I get a little confused ...from what I have

> read it is

> > mentioned for example that one need a strong and dignified Saturn

> in

> > comparative charts to create longevity between the

> > couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good in the

> chart(S) in

> > aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between the

> couples?.....

> > -

> > "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

> satrun?

> >

> > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it

> comes

> > > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I made a

> > > chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted

> saturn

> > > in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and jupiter

> but

> > > still that person never had satisfaction from relationships.

> Infact,

> > > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully

> aspecting it.

> > > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in 5th,

> 7th,

> > > 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very unfavorable

> > > position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say one

> thing

> > > for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the great

> > > unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to know

> that

> > > he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results came

> out,

> > > he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy is

> > > normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong jupiter.

> > > Some people say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs old).

> So,

> > > this explains everything. That is why some texts say that if

> > > someone's saturn is strong then its quite possible that he'll go

> in

> > > seclusion and make his own philosophy of life.

> > > That is all I know.

> > > I hope this helps!

> > > Farrukh

> > > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:

> > > > Dear members,

> > > >

> > > > Lots of interesting topics these days!

> > > >

> > > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly

> unpredictable

> > > tendency?

> > > >

> > > > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the

> height

> > > of my

> > > > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought

> > > wow...isn't this

> > > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I

> think

> > > I may

> > > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the

> > > Mars/Saturn aspect

> > > > in general...)

> > > > Now that Saturn has been in my 12th house and currently

> in

> > > my 1st

> > > > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really

> > > started...from heart

> > > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long

> distance

> > > > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic standpoint

> is

> > > not

> > > > auspicious I have heard)...less satisfaction in the career...

> > > (although still

> > > > working allot)

> > > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the

> ascendant?...than

> > > the

> > > > moon?....

> > > >

> > > > as an aside...Birth data...September 26,1958...23:27

> > > (pm)...Montreal Canada

> > > > Thanking you all

> > > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn

> > > >

> > > > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra ruled

> by

> > > mercury

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, prashant narang

> > > <prashantnarang>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > hi

> > > > > > where is ur moon?

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:

> > > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th

> > > > > > > with ketu. I have

> > > > > > > mixed results as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first

> > > > > > > Sade-saati (7 1/2

> > > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a

> > > > > > > competitive exam for

> > > > > > > bank officers in india and became a bank officer. I

> > > > > > > was running

> > > > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my

> > > > > > > job, and came to

> > > > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,

> > > > > > > but complete

> > > > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.

> > > > > > > I was having a

> > > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at

> > > > > > > the age of 28.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.

> > > > > > > I was running

> > > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to

> > > > > > > increased tension a zero

> > > > > > > support from the immediate boss.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I was

> > > > > > > going through

> > > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety etc etc. Now also it

> > > > > > > is no better

> > > > > > > even though Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will

> > > > > > > get better.

> > > > > > > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with

> > > > > > > Aquarius

> > > > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time

> > > > > > > (around 2000-2001)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary

> > > > > > > force that makes

> > > > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is

> > > > > > > generally most

> > > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to

> > > > > > > be a full benefic

> > > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays, preferably

> > > > > > > Jupiter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Venkatesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"

> > > > > > > <farrukhnauman>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it is the

> > > > > > > sound of their death

> > > > > > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one

> > > > > > > of the strongest

> > > > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,

> > > > > > > higher education

> > > > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)

> > > > > > > is aries,

> > > > > > > taurus,

> > > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take

> > > > > > > me a long time to

> > > > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a strong

> > > > > > > saturn but I can

> > > > > > > > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the

> > > > > > > ascendants I

> > > > > > > > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles

> > > > > > > (except 4th

> > > > > > > house)

> > > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and

> > > > > > > can also gain much

> > > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem

> > > > > > > with saturn is

> > > > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions itself and

> > > > > > > therefore, people with a

> > > > > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love

> > > > > > > and other

> > > > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career

> > > > > > > advancement and fame,

> > > > > > > > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is

> > > > > > > enough to assure

> > > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.

> > > > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Farrukh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

> > > > > > http://finance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Group info: vedic-

> > > astrology/info.html

> > > > >

> > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> @e...

> > > > >

> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > >

> > > > > Your use of is subject to

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

September 2, 2002

-

Mohini Cox

vedic astrology-req-s4c1381

Monday, September 02, 2002 12:19 PM

mean selfish,unpredicatable Saturn