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All,

 

I forget the person who asked about the necessity and

importance of the Navamsa, so I'm addressing this to

everyone in the forum.

 

Although Rob Koch and several others have addressed

this, and my views concur their own, I thought that I

would throw my hat into the ring on this topic.

 

The Navamsa, is a micro-zodiac of sorts, in that it is

a sub-division of a sign of the zodiac. Each sign is

divided by 3 degrees, 20 minutes, and when this is

done to the natal, or Rasi chart, you get what is

known as the Navamsa.

 

To me, it's alot like taking your chart, your Rasi I

mean, and putting it under a microscope; you know how

the doctor will take a blood or dna sample to examine

some aspect of your health profile? Well, the Navamsa

is like that very same process, you just apply it to

astro-situations.

 

The great Parasara says that the Navamsa is to be used

for marriage, and one can certainly use if for this

purpose, but I follow the lead of the South Indian

Jyotishis, who use the Navamsa in much the same way

that you would the Rasi. Therefore, all of the house

lordships, yogas and so on would apply. Also, since

Jaimini Jyotish's birthplace was most likely Southern

India, it is often applied to the Navamsa. The

Karakamsa is the planet in the Navamsa that would be

the Atmakaraka in the Rasi, and this is very helpful

when a birthtime is not known or is imprecise.

 

Vedic Philosophy has always recognized the close

relationship between numerology and astrology, and

this is yet another reason why the Navamsa is so

important; from a Vedic point of view, there are 9

planets, 9 prime numbers, it takes 9 months for a

human being to be created, and when you think about

it, there are 9 orifices in the human body.

 

In the horoscope, perhaps the most important house is

the 9, which represents one's relationship to one's

father and God, the luck that they receive in this

life, and the degree to which they are able to

"overstand" the deeper insights in life. It is for

these reasons, then, that the Navamsa often is

referred to as the chart to which you want to look to

see a person's true character.

 

This is why you read about how a Navamsa can make or

break a chart, thru the placement of the planets

there. If there are strong planets in the Rasi, but

those same planets are greatly weakened or afflicted,

all that you see is a "front" - and it will be

revealed as soon as a Dasa of the offending planet

takes place. On the other hand, if the Rasi has

planets that are afflicted or rather weakened in some

other way, but they are very strong in the Navamsa, it

is an indication that even if the person faces alot of

opposition, they will have the inner strength to

overcome incredible odds; it also suggests that the

person is, as they often say, "a good man/woman".

 

Although it is not mentioned in writing much, the

Navamsa is heavily used when it comes to chart

matching, for relationship purposes. For example,

cross-aspect one Navamsa to the other Rasi, and

vice-versa, is a recommended way of assessing

relationship potential; also doing same with the lords

of the Moons.

 

The Navamsa yields its best results when the birth

time is precise, at least to within several minutes;

when the time is off by 15 minutes or more, the

Navamsa Asc can change signs, and give totally wrong

results. This is why some Jyotishis forego the Navamsa

all together, because the time issues can lead one to

give wrong indications and predictions. However, it

must be said, that a skilled Jyotishi can use the

Navamsa to arrive at the proper time of birth.

 

The Navamsa can be very helpful in terms of timing

events, and I have seen this principle play itself out

over and over again. Some Jyotishis apply transits as

well as Dasas to the Navamsa, and I have seen both

principles to work.

 

Off the top of my head, I can think of two famous

cases of how the Navamsa came into play in a big way;

Marilyn Monroe and Paramahamsa Yogananda. In PY's

case, the Navamsa only amped up the indications

already evident in his Rasi chart, which pointed in a

loud way in the direction of Spirituality. In MM's

case, the Navamsa showed just the opposite - she had

in there the combination known as the Kala Sarpa Yoga

- and she was running the Dasa of Ketu at the time she

died, if memory serves.

 

Lastly, my own life is a good example of the power and

importance of the Navamsa: Dec 2, 1968, 9:43am EST,

Philadelphia, PA, USA. Lagna: 21 Sag. Note how

Jupiter, Saturn and Mars gets strengthened. Mercury

and Venus, along with Rahu also gets strengthened.

 

Hope all of this helps.

 

Salaam,

Mu

 

 

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Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah

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Dear List,

My own short notes of addition:

 

The Navamsa was given a strong importance in the vimsopaka scheme by

Parasara, only overruled by the Shastiamsa(d-60). Its very important

and shows the place where god communicates with us. Hence when a

planet is vargottama we say that god is speaking directly to us, and

hence is 'happy'.. however how we feel this in real life may differ

from the norms of 'happiness'.

Navamsa is the place where we see our Prarabdha karma, and is to be

used WITH Rasi chart.

 

The Rasi will show the opportunities we gain in life, whilst the

Navamsa will determine the end result of these.. i.e. not every

business man can become rich!.. Hence Navamsa is the final determent.

 

An interesting use of the Navamsa, is when delianating omens felt on

yourself. Say Atmakaraka is in Taurus Navamsa. Jaimini says that AK

in Vrishabamsa causes danger from bulls, cows etc. If this infact

happens it means God is displeased with the path you are taking in

life, and the punishment is soon to be felt in full force in RASI.

 

Hence God speaks to the soul in Navamsa, who then carries out the

order in the Rasi... in laymens terms.

 

Similarly use the other planets placement and results, as omens.

 

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

vedic astrology, Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey> wrote:

> All,

>

> I forget the person who asked about the necessity and

> importance of the Navamsa, so I'm addressing this to

> everyone in the forum.

>

> Although Rob Koch and several others have addressed

> this, and my views concur their own, I thought that I

> would throw my hat into the ring on this topic.

>

> The Navamsa, is a micro-zodiac of sorts, in that it is

> a sub-division of a sign of the zodiac. Each sign is

> divided by 3 degrees, 20 minutes, and when this is

> done to the natal, or Rasi chart, you get what is

> known as the Navamsa.

>

> To me, it's alot like taking your chart, your Rasi I

> mean, and putting it under a microscope; you know how

> the doctor will take a blood or dna sample to examine

> some aspect of your health profile? Well, the Navamsa

> is like that very same process, you just apply it to

> astro-situations.

>

> The great Parasara says that the Navamsa is to be used

> for marriage, and one can certainly use if for this

> purpose, but I follow the lead of the South Indian

> Jyotishis, who use the Navamsa in much the same way

> that you would the Rasi. Therefore, all of the house

> lordships, yogas and so on would apply. Also, since

> Jaimini Jyotish's birthplace was most likely Southern

> India, it is often applied to the Navamsa. The

> Karakamsa is the planet in the Navamsa that would be

> the Atmakaraka in the Rasi, and this is very helpful

> when a birthtime is not known or is imprecise.

>

> Vedic Philosophy has always recognized the close

> relationship between numerology and astrology, and

> this is yet another reason why the Navamsa is so

> important; from a Vedic point of view, there are 9

> planets, 9 prime numbers, it takes 9 months for a

> human being to be created, and when you think about

> it, there are 9 orifices in the human body.

>

> In the horoscope, perhaps the most important house is

> the 9, which represents one's relationship to one's

> father and God, the luck that they receive in this

> life, and the degree to which they are able to

> "overstand" the deeper insights in life. It is for

> these reasons, then, that the Navamsa often is

> referred to as the chart to which you want to look to

> see a person's true character.

>

> This is why you read about how a Navamsa can make or

> break a chart, thru the placement of the planets

> there. If there are strong planets in the Rasi, but

> those same planets are greatly weakened or afflicted,

> all that you see is a "front" - and it will be

> revealed as soon as a Dasa of the offending planet

> takes place. On the other hand, if the Rasi has

> planets that are afflicted or rather weakened in some

> other way, but they are very strong in the Navamsa, it

> is an indication that even if the person faces alot of

> opposition, they will have the inner strength to

> overcome incredible odds; it also suggests that the

> person is, as they often say, "a good man/woman".

>

> Although it is not mentioned in writing much, the

> Navamsa is heavily used when it comes to chart

> matching, for relationship purposes. For example,

> cross-aspect one Navamsa to the other Rasi, and

> vice-versa, is a recommended way of assessing

> relationship potential; also doing same with the lords

> of the Moons.

>

> The Navamsa yields its best results when the birth

> time is precise, at least to within several minutes;

> when the time is off by 15 minutes or more, the

> Navamsa Asc can change signs, and give totally wrong

> results. This is why some Jyotishis forego the Navamsa

> all together, because the time issues can lead one to

> give wrong indications and predictions. However, it

> must be said, that a skilled Jyotishi can use the

> Navamsa to arrive at the proper time of birth.

>

> The Navamsa can be very helpful in terms of timing

> events, and I have seen this principle play itself out

> over and over again. Some Jyotishis apply transits as

> well as Dasas to the Navamsa, and I have seen both

> principles to work.

>

> Off the top of my head, I can think of two famous

> cases of how the Navamsa came into play in a big way;

> Marilyn Monroe and Paramahamsa Yogananda. In PY's

> case, the Navamsa only amped up the indications

> already evident in his Rasi chart, which pointed in a

> loud way in the direction of Spirituality. In MM's

> case, the Navamsa showed just the opposite - she had

> in there the combination known as the Kala Sarpa Yoga

> - and she was running the Dasa of Ketu at the time she

> died, if memory serves.

>

> Lastly, my own life is a good example of the power and

> importance of the Navamsa: Dec 2, 1968, 9:43am EST,

> Philadelphia, PA, USA. Lagna: 21 Sag. Note how

> Jupiter, Saturn and Mars gets strengthened. Mercury

> and Venus, along with Rahu also gets strengthened.

>

> Hope all of this helps.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

>

> =====

> Mu'Min M. Bey

> Western and Vedic Astrologer

> mumin_bey

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(I am just trying to post this message on the Vedic Astrology Forum and it

is not going through. Please do not mind that I send it this way as a

"test"...mmdd)

 

 

Thank-you Farruknauman!

 

I really like the way you gave that little ditty on how:

 

"Only if Venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a favourable

contact, then they can favour a nice relationship"

 

 

Still on the topic of Saturn...

 

You have mentioned that Saturn is mean and selfish

 

May I ask.... Is it that when Saturn is dignified or and /or well aspected

.... (and even necessary in a spiritualist chart...including Saturn's much

needed detachment vibe...(especially on moon) for a Sanyasi.)... that he can

"sober" the chart in a less "mean and selfish" way?

 

One case I know of is a Sanyasi renunciate with exalted Saturn in the 5th

with Sun, and Saturn's aspect on his moon.

 

This person is famous for his intelligent,personable public relations and

cultured "Libra" ways, heavily involved in writing and directing

theatre,being featured in high profile movie documentaries,nothing dark or

dreary in his chart! But yet he is one of the few Canadians who has walked

across Canada!..."..which is the longest road! (Now that would be a

Saturnian trait!) and also impeccable sadhana for many

years ...about 34 years...also he was never married + ,thusly celibate!

 

May-be you could present some astrological thoughts/examples as to when

Saturn is nicely placed?...and what would be examples of a total brutal

"Mean and Selfish Saturn!...

 

I have Saturn in 6th aspected by Mars in 12th!

 

"Often, people with a strong Saturn try to either check their

partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just start

ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her..."

 

I think that I may have to admit to doing this!...(just a little! bit

though!!!)

 

Would that be "good"in the malefics are in dusthanas?They have to be

somewhere,no?...lol

 

My info...September 26,1958...23:27(PM)...Montreal ,Quebec Canada

 

any suggestions???(!)

 

thank-you respectfully...mmdd

-

kanu priya

vedic astrology

Monday, September 02, 2002 12:18 PM

[vedic astrology] Saturn

 

 

Dear Group Members,

I t was really enlightening and

interesting to read the various opinions about saturn and about sade sati

some days ago.We do often say ohh this mean shani or ohh God my saturn began

now its going to be bad.Though there could be a different way of looking at

things.Our life is a series of experiences in which we go through ups and

downs but all for the reason of learning.The sooner and with least

resistence we learn the easier and milder our lessons get.I would say that

nothing like the sade sati to teach us the lessons we are here to

learn.Saturn is a great teacher and children in school often hate thier

teachers when they get strict with us....

I recently finished expereincing my

sade sati.When I began I too said I hate shani for doing this to me.Seven

and a half years later I thank him, for this has been the most amazing seven

and a half years of my life.I lost everything that was dear to me and found

my true soul.All we need to do in our ''worst times'' is look at what they

are here to teach and learn it with as little resistence as possible and the

same time can become a time of great learning and adventure and a

fullfilling time for our spiritual growth.

Just pay your respects to shani and

move along it is nt that bad..

Love and Regards,

Kanupriya.

 

 

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Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:14 PM

[vedic astrology] My Thoughts on the Navamsa

 

 

> All,

>

> I forget the person who asked about the necessity and

> importance of the Navamsa, so I'm addressing this to

> everyone in the forum.

>

> Although Rob Koch and several others have addressed

> this, and my views concur their own, I thought that I

> would throw my hat into the ring on this topic.

>

> The Navamsa, is a micro-zodiac of sorts, in that it is

> a sub-division of a sign of the zodiac. Each sign is

> divided by 3 degrees, 20 minutes, and when this is

> done to the natal, or Rasi chart, you get what is

> known as the Navamsa.

>

> To me, it's alot like taking your chart, your Rasi I

> mean, and putting it under a microscope; you know how

> the doctor will take a blood or dna sample to examine

> some aspect of your health profile? Well, the Navamsa

> is like that very same process, you just apply it to

> astro-situations.

>

> The great Parasara says that the Navamsa is to be used

> for marriage, and one can certainly use if for this

> purpose, but I follow the lead of the South Indian

> Jyotishis, who use the Navamsa in much the same way

> that you would the Rasi. Therefore, all of the house

> lordships, yogas and so on would apply. Also, since

> Jaimini Jyotish's birthplace was most likely Southern

> India, it is often applied to the Navamsa. The

> Karakamsa is the planet in the Navamsa that would be

> the Atmakaraka in the Rasi, and this is very helpful

> when a birthtime is not known or is imprecise.

>

> Vedic Philosophy has always recognized the close

> relationship between numerology and astrology, and

> this is yet another reason why the Navamsa is so

> important; from a Vedic point of view, there are 9

> planets, 9 prime numbers, it takes 9 months for a

> human being to be created, and when you think about

> it, there are 9 orifices in the human body.

>

> In the horoscope, perhaps the most important house is

> the 9, which represents one's relationship to one's

> father and God, the luck that they receive in this

> life, and the degree to which they are able to

> "overstand" the deeper insights in life. It is for

> these reasons, then, that the Navamsa often is

> referred to as the chart to which you want to look to

> see a person's true character.

>

> This is why you read about how a Navamsa can make or

> break a chart, thru the placement of the planets

> there. If there are strong planets in the Rasi, but

> those same planets are greatly weakened or afflicted,

> all that you see is a "front" - and it will be

> revealed as soon as a Dasa of the offending planet

> takes place. On the other hand, if the Rasi has

> planets that are afflicted or rather weakened in some

> other way, but they are very strong in the Navamsa, it

> is an indication that even if the person faces alot of

> opposition, they will have the inner strength to

> overcome incredible odds; it also suggests that the

> person is, as they often say, "a good man/woman".

>

> Although it is not mentioned in writing much, the

> Navamsa is heavily used when it comes to chart

> matching, for relationship purposes. For example,

> cross-aspect one Navamsa to the other Rasi, and

> vice-versa, is a recommended way of assessing

> relationship potential; also doing same with the lords

> of the Moons.

>

> The Navamsa yields its best results when the birth

> time is precise, at least to within several minutes;

> when the time is off by 15 minutes or more, the

> Navamsa Asc can change signs, and give totally wrong

> results. This is why some Jyotishis forego the Navamsa

> all together, because the time issues can lead one to

> give wrong indications and predictions. However, it

> must be said, that a skilled Jyotishi can use the

> Navamsa to arrive at the proper time of birth.

>

> The Navamsa can be very helpful in terms of timing

> events, and I have seen this principle play itself out

> over and over again. Some Jyotishis apply transits as

> well as Dasas to the Navamsa, and I have seen both

> principles to work.

>

> Off the top of my head, I can think of two famous

> cases of how the Navamsa came into play in a big way;

> Marilyn Monroe and Paramahamsa Yogananda. In PY's

> case, the Navamsa only amped up the indications

> already evident in his Rasi chart, which pointed in a

> loud way in the direction of Spirituality. In MM's

> case, the Navamsa showed just the opposite - she had

> in there the combination known as the Kala Sarpa Yoga

> - and she was running the Dasa of Ketu at the time she

> died, if memory serves.

>

> Lastly, my own life is a good example of the power and

> importance of the Navamsa: Dec 2, 1968, 9:43am EST,

> Philadelphia, PA, USA. Lagna: 21 Sag. Note how

> Jupiter, Saturn and Mars gets strengthened. Mercury

> and Venus, along with Rahu also gets strengthened.

>

> Hope all of this helps.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

>

>

> =====

> Mu'Min M. Bey

> Western and Vedic Astrologer

> mumin_bey

> AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu

> 2Way Pager: 1-877-345-6499/8773456499; Cell phone:

267-978-2812

> Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought

Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum-

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