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Dear Sudharsan,

 

Although your reply wasnt directed at me, thank you for the clear

explanation on why Lal Kitab's remedies shouldnt be used. I guess

Visti was telling me the same thing in his terse style, but your

elaborate explanation has been helpful in clarifying the underlying

concept. I intuitively was inclined to the same conclusion right from

the beginning (rejecting Lal Kitab's remedies) simply because they

didn't seem to involve any effort or increase of awareness on my

part. On the other hand, Visti's remedies - fasting and meditating

using a mantra seemed like the right way because they at least push

me towards some form of introspection and hopefully and

eventually "God consciousness" as you put it.

 

However since you have bothered to give such a detailed explanation,

can you also, if you know, give some analysis on the predictive

accuracy (not remedial effectiveness) of Lal Kitab? I am also

interested in that - it seems condensed to the point of inaccuracy in

my opinion. I also have another question for you but since it is

under a different thread I will post it there.

 

Thank you,

 

VAS

 

vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108>

wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Rajinder ji

> Gurudev Sanjay ji is very emphatic on NOT using any remedies

prescribed by Lal Kitab as they are Tamasic in nature. This goes back

to basics as to why a living entity suffers? We suffer on account of

the Karmic reactions of our past lives. Now the only way that is even

mitigated or reduced is by increasing God Consciousness. As Jyotishas

our primary responsibility is to help the living entity develop their

spiritual life, because that would be a permanent cure for their

problems. On the other hand if we adopt or recommend Tamasic methods

of solving problems, we are only adding to an existing load of Bad

Karma. There is no use in curing the fever which is only a symptom

when the real underlying cause is a virus. So it is VERY important

for us to avoid such remedies which may contribute to additional Bad

Karma. A good understanding of Karma and Rebirth is absolutely

essential for us to guide the fallen soul toward his march toward

Godhead.

> Hare Krishna

> Sudharsan-Woodbridge,NJ

> Rajinder Nath wrote:hello all,

> even if one donot think there is logic in remidies

> suggested in lal kitab there isnoharm to do it usally

> it says do good to other liviving creature who were

> here before us.or doing good to our fellow being who

> is handicapped is certainly is a good karma.

> fact is it point us our deficiancy and we should not

> be judgemental to other.

> only it skipp calculative and math part of it

> rajinder

>

> --- anukochhar <anukochhar@s...> wrote:

> > Om sri hanumate namah,

> >

> > lal kitab as far as I know ( the little I could

> > extract from my father who is an astrologer himself

> > but refuses to read our charts ) was originally in

> > Persian as far as i remember and most of it is by

> > word of mouth-there must have been some calculations

> > involved too- and thus has many interpretations.

> >

> > Its said once when the british ruled India one of

> > the officers' children fell very sick and did not

> > respond to any treatment- at that point in time an

> > expert on lal kitab suggested a remedy and it worked

> > .lal kitab shot into prominence thence.Right now it

> > has become a compendium of simple remedial

> > measures.And none of the interpretations of the

> > kitab offer any logic behind it. thus a lot of

> > confusion.Anyway the bottomline is the suffering

> > person is open to try anything and thats just about

> > it.

> > regards,

> > rambha.

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, August 19, 2002 6:43 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Historical question

> > on an existing system of astrology

> >

> >

> > Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah

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> > Dear VAS,

> > throwing coal in a lake or digging roots out of a

> > burial ground, will not bring you closer to god, and

> > thats the only way to really get rid of karma.

> > Best wishes, Visti.

> > -

> > vedicastrostudent

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> > Sunday, August 18, 2002 9:22 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Historical question

> > on an existing system of astrology

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> > Hello all,

> > Some one gave me a remedy which I traced on the

> > internet to stem

> > from "Lal Kitab". What is "Lal Kitab" and what

> > is it's relationship

> > to the systems of astrology discussed in this

> > newsgroup i.e. Parasari

> > (?) and Jaimini(?), correct. What is it's

> > origin? Is it in your

> > experiences: contradictory, complementary, less

> > powerful, more

> > powerful or none of the above?

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> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> > VAS

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Jaya Jagannatha

Dear VAS,

My knowledge of Lal Kitab is limited to the fact that it provides Tamasic

solutions. I steered clear and did not even bother to delve. Moreover as a

student who is in the very nascent stages of learning Jyotish, Parasara and

Jaimini's work's is an ocean that would need more than a lifetime to master. So

to sum it up I decided to stick to Parampara.

Fasting is a gift from God and that is obvious as not many fast and even those

who fast may not be steadfast. I normally beg the Lord to give me the gift

before any fasting day occurs.

Now for a perspective please think about this---

occurences in life are not random. There is always a cause and effect. There had

to be a blessing in your life for you to seek help in this forum and there was

obviously a cosmic force that directed your thinking to commit this action. On

the same count, the same cosmic force also directed Visti to analyze and

recommend a solution. God provides solutions by leading us to them and the

solutions should also be accepted in the same mood.These are my thoughts and

are just another perspective So good luck with your fasting and manthra..

Hare Krishna

Sudharsan

 

vedicastrostudent wrote:

Dear Sudharsan,Although your reply wasnt directed at me, thank you for the clear

explanation on why Lal Kitab's remedies shouldnt be used. I guess Visti was

telling me the same thing in his terse style, but your elaborate explanation

has been helpful in clarifying the underlying concept. I intuitively was

inclined to the same conclusion right from the beginning (rejecting Lal Kitab's

remedies) simply because they didn't seem to involve any effort or increase of

awareness on my part. On the other hand, Visti's remedies - fasting and

meditating using a mantra seemed like the right way because they at least push

me towards some form of introspection and hopefully and eventually "God

consciousness" as you put it. However since you have bothered to give such a

detailed explanation, can you also, if you know, give some analysis on the

predictive accuracy (not remedial effectiveness) of Lal Kitab? I am also

interested in that - it seems condensed to the point of inaccuracy in my

opinion. I also have another question for you but since it is under a different

thread I will post it there.Thank you,VASvedic astrology, Sudharsan

Srinivasan <sudhar108> wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> Jaya Jagannatha> Dear

Rajinder ji> Gurudev Sanjay ji is very emphatic on NOT using any remedies

prescribed by Lal Kitab as they are Tamasic in nature. This goes back to basics

as to why a living entity suffers? We suffer on account of the Karmic reactions

of our past lives. Now the only way that is even mitigated or reduced is by

increasing God Consciousness. As Jyotishas our primary responsibility is to

help the living entity develop their spiritual life, because that would be a

permanent cure for their problems. On the other hand if we adopt or recommend

Tamasic methods of solving problems, we are only adding to an existing load of

Bad Karma. There is no use in curing the fever which is only a symptom when the

real underlying cause is a virus. So it is VERY important for us to avoid such

remedies which may contribute to additional Bad Karma. A good understanding of

Karma and Rebirth is absolutely essential for us to guide the fallen soul

toward his march toward Godhead.> Hare Krishna> Sudharsan-Woodbridge,NJ>

Rajinder Nath wrote:hello all,> even if one donot think there is logic in

remidies> suggested in lal kitab there isnoharm to do it usally > it says do

good to other liviving creature who were> here before us.or doing good to our

fellow being who> is handicapped is certainly is a good karma.> fact is it

point us our deficiancy and we should not> be judgemental to other.> only it

skipp calculative and math part of it> rajinder> > --- anukochhar

<anukochhar@s...> wrote:> > Om sri hanumate namah,> > > > lal kitab as far as I

know ( the little I could> > extract from my father who is an astrologer

himself> > but refuses to read our charts ) was originally in> > Persian as far

as i remember and most of it is by> > word of mouth-there must have been some

calculations> > involved too- and thus has many interpretations.> > > > Its

said once when the british ruled India one of> > the officers' children fell

very sick and did not> > respond to any treatment- at that point in time an> >

expert on lal kitab suggested a remedy and it worked> > .lal kitab shot into

prominence thence.Right now it> > has become a compendium of simple remedial> >

measures.And none of the interpretations of the> > kitab offer any logic behind

it. thus a lot of> > confusion.Anyway the bottomline is the suffering> > person

is open to try anything and thats just about> > it.> > regards,> > rambha.> >

- > > Visti Larsen > > To:

vedic astrology > > Monday, August 19, 2002 6:43 PM> > Subject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Historical question> > on an existing system of

astrology> > > > > > Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah> > > >>

>

> > > Dear VAS,> > throwing coal in a lake or digging roots out of a> >

burial ground, will not bring you closer to god, and> > thats the only way to

really get rid of karma.> > Best wishes, Visti.> > ----- Original Message

----- > > vedicastrostudent > > vedic astrology > >

Sunday, August 18, 2002 9:22 PM> > [vedic astrology]

Historical question> > on an existing system of astrology> > > > > > Hello

all,> > Some one gave me a remedy which I traced on the> > internet to stem

> > from "Lal Kitab". What is "Lal Kitab" and what> > is it's relationship >

> to the systems of astrology discussed in this> > newsgroup i.e. Parasari>

> (?) and Jaimini(?), correct. What is it's> > origin? Is it in your > >

experiences: contradictory, complementary, less> > powerful, more > >

powerful or none of the above?> > > > Thank you in advance,> > > >

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