Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 In http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/secretastro.asp The following is discussed: "Ques. Should we rely on dasha or Gochar? If Dasha is good and Gochar is bad then what will be the result? Ans. Dasha and Gochar, both are equally important in determining the event in a horoscope. However Gochar can be accurately known, but Dasha is very sensitive to time of birth and cannot be accurately fixed. Secondly, there are too many kinds of known dasha systems and we do not know for sure which dasha should be applied, when doubts on Ayanamsa also takes away its authenticity. Further Dasha is normally dependent upon Moon degrees only and it ignores rest of the planets. All these shortcomings are not there in the transit system. Hence basing the predictions on transits normally give better results, unless it has been checked that the dasha system is working properly on the given horoscope. While we are studying both Dasha and Gochar, we can take dasha to specify the event of transit to specify its strength. If both are favourable or unfavourable then the event occurs with full force. If Dasha is good and transit bad or vice versa, then the results are not clear." What are your general experience with regard to this? Which system do you like better, or do you use both together. I know of so many different Dasha systems. Atip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 vyam vedavyasaaya namah Dear Atip, I'm not sure the philosphy of exclussion would work unless you were a scientist. Instead try to learn how to use the Dasa systems, and when to use variations. We at sjvc are attempting to do this, and the results are looking good. My personal experience tells me so. Best wishes, Visti. - atip_asvanund vedic astrology Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:28 AM [vedic astrology] Dasha vs Gochar Inhttp://www.indianastrology.com/learn/secretastro.aspThe following is discussed:"Ques. Should we rely on dasha or Gochar? If Dasha is good andGochar is bad then what will be the result?Ans. Dasha and Gochar, both are equally important in determining theevent in a horoscope. However Gochar can be accurately known, butDasha is very sensitive to time of birth and cannot be accuratelyfixed. Secondly, there are too many kinds of known dasha systems andwe do not know for sure which dasha should be applied, when doubts onAyanamsa also takes away its authenticity. Further Dasha is normallydependent upon Moon degrees only and it ignores rest of the planets.All these shortcomings are not there in the transit system. Hencebasing the predictions on transits normally give better results,unless it has been checked that the dasha system is working properlyon the given horoscope.While we are studying both Dasha and Gochar, we can take dasha tospecify the event of transit to specify its strength. If both arefavourable or unfavourable then the event occurs with full force. IfDasha is good and transit bad or vice versa, then the results are notclear."What are your general experience with regard to this? Which system doyou like better, or do you use both together. I know of so manydifferent Dasha systems. AtipArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Dear Atip, I concur with Visti on this. First comes Antar Dasa and then look at Transit. The transit cannot deny the full result of Antra dasa running it can alter it but not a lot. Eg. Say Antar dasa of Venus is running in Vimshottari dasa and Venus is strong and beneficial for a certain activity in a chart and one at the same time has Sade Sati running, it does not mean that transit effect can override the effects of Venus antra, it can modify it to a certain limit but cannot take precidence over the antra dasa. Different dasas are for different things, but all dasas run in parallel. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > vyam vedavyasaaya namah > > -- ------------ > > Dear Atip, > I'm not sure the philosphy of exclussion would work unless you were a scientist. Instead try to learn how to use the Dasa systems, and when to use variations. We at sjvc are attempting to do this, and the results are looking good. My personal experience tells me so. > > Best wishes, Visti. > - > atip_asvanund > vedic astrology > Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:28 AM > [vedic astrology] Dasha vs Gochar > > > In > http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/secretastro.asp > The following is discussed: > "Ques. Should we rely on dasha or Gochar? If Dasha is good and > Gochar is bad then what will be the result? > > Ans. Dasha and Gochar, both are equally important in determining the > event in a horoscope. However Gochar can be accurately known, but > Dasha is very sensitive to time of birth and cannot be accurately > fixed. Secondly, there are too many kinds of known dasha systems and > we do not know for sure which dasha should be applied, when doubts on > Ayanamsa also takes away its authenticity. Further Dasha is normally > dependent upon Moon degrees only and it ignores rest of the planets. > All these shortcomings are not there in the transit system. Hence > basing the predictions on transits normally give better results, > unless it has been checked that the dasha system is working properly > on the given horoscope. > > While we are studying both Dasha and Gochar, we can take dasha to > specify the event of transit to specify its strength. If both are > favourable or unfavourable then the event occurs with full force. If > Dasha is good and transit bad or vice versa, then the results are not > clear." > > What are your general experience with regard to this? Which system do > you like better, or do you use both together. I know of so many > different Dasha systems. > > Atip > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 vyam vedavyasaaya namah Dear Ash, How can anyone dominate over the king? Maha Dasa will be felt throughout the dasa, hence first Maha.. then antara or whatever. I know your learning tells you to look for antaras, but there are many antaras, but only 9 mahas.. would be easy if you could identify the maha, without having to guess, which of the possible antaras. Best wishes, Visti. - ashsam73 vedic astrology Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:56 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Dasha vs Gochar Dear Atip,I concur with Visti on this. First comes Antar Dasa and then look at Transit. The transit cannot deny the full result of Antra dasa running it can alter it but not a lot. Eg. Say Antar dasa of Venus is running in Vimshottari dasa and Venus is strong and beneficial for a certain activity in a chart and one at the same time has Sade Sati running, it does not mean that transit effect can override the effects of Venus antra, it can modify it to a certain limit but cannot take precidence over the antra dasa.Different dasas are for different things, but all dasas run in parallel.Hope that helps,Cheers !!!Ashvedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> vyam vedavyasaaya namah> > --> > Dear Atip,> I'm not sure the philosphy of exclussion would work unless you were a scientist. Instead try to learn how to use the Dasa systems, and when to use variations. We at sjvc are attempting to do this, and the results are looking good. My personal experience tells me so.> > Best wishes, Visti.> - > atip_asvanund > To: vedic astrology > Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:28 AM> Subject: [vedic astrology] Dasha vs Gochar> > > In> http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/secretastro.asp> The following is discussed:> "Ques. Should we rely on dasha or Gochar? If Dasha is good and> Gochar is bad then what will be the result?> > Ans. Dasha and Gochar, both are equally important in determining the> event in a horoscope. However Gochar can be accurately known, but> Dasha is very sensitive to time of birth and cannot be accurately> fixed. Secondly, there are too many kinds of known dasha systems and> we do not know for sure which dasha should be applied, when doubts on> Ayanamsa also takes away its authenticity. Further Dasha is normally> dependent upon Moon degrees only and it ignores rest of the planets.> All these shortcomings are not there in the transit system. Hence> basing the predictions on transits normally give better results,> unless it has been checked that the dasha system is working properly> on the given horoscope.> > While we are studying both Dasha and Gochar, we can take dasha to> specify the event of transit to specify its strength. If both are> favourable or unfavourable then the event occurs with full force. If> Dasha is good and transit bad or vice versa, then the results are not> clear."> > What are your general experience with regard to this? Which system do> you like better, or do you use both together. I know of so many> different Dasha systems. > > Atip> > > Sponsor > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Dear Visti, The topic in discussion was based on Antra vs Gochar. Yes ofcourse Mahadasa's karaktwata will be felt during the entire dasa that is primary. Venus antra in Guru's mahadasa will not give the same result as Venus is say Rahu's antar dasa that is a given. Thinking on the same lines, the Desha Kaal patra even would dominate the Mahadasa. eg. in a chart if say Guru/Venus could give a marriage but in a natives chart but the native is very young the Kaal part would not allow for that to happen. All factors have to be seen as we have brain stormed. My reference was only between Antra and Gochar. Thanking you, Good observation though !!! Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > vyam vedavyasaaya namah > > -- ------------ > > Dear Ash, > How can anyone dominate over the king? Maha Dasa will be felt throughout the dasa, hence first Maha.. then antara or whatever. > I know your learning tells you to look for antaras, but there are many antaras, but only 9 mahas.. would be easy if you could identify the maha, without having to guess, which of the possible antaras. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > ashsam73 > vedic astrology > Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:56 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Dasha vs Gochar > > > Dear Atip, > I concur with Visti on this. First comes Antar Dasa and then look at > Transit. The transit cannot deny the full result of Antra dasa > running it can alter it but not a lot. Eg. Say Antar dasa of Venus > is running in Vimshottari dasa and Venus is strong and beneficial for > a certain activity in a chart and one at the same time has Sade Sati > running, it does not mean that transit effect can override the > effects of Venus antra, it can modify it to a certain limit but > cannot take precidence over the antra dasa. > Different dasas are for different things, but all dasas run in > parallel. > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > vyam vedavyasaaya namah > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ------------ > > > > Dear Atip, > > I'm not sure the philosphy of exclussion would work unless you were > a scientist. Instead try to learn how to use the Dasa systems, and > when to use variations. We at sjvc are attempting to do this, and the > results are looking good. My personal experience tells me so. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > > atip_asvanund > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:28 AM > > [vedic astrology] Dasha vs Gochar > > > > > > In > > http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/secretastro.asp > > The following is discussed: > > "Ques. Should we rely on dasha or Gochar? If Dasha is good and > > Gochar is bad then what will be the result? > > > > Ans. Dasha and Gochar, both are equally important in determining > the > > event in a horoscope. However Gochar can be accurately known, but > > Dasha is very sensitive to time of birth and cannot be accurately > > fixed. Secondly, there are too many kinds of known dasha systems > and > > we do not know for sure which dasha should be applied, when > doubts on > > Ayanamsa also takes away its authenticity. Further Dasha is > normally > > dependent upon Moon degrees only and it ignores rest of the > planets. > > All these shortcomings are not there in the transit system. Hence > > basing the predictions on transits normally give better results, > > unless it has been checked that the dasha system is working > properly > > on the given horoscope. > > > > While we are studying both Dasha and Gochar, we can take dasha to > > specify the event of transit to specify its strength. If both are > > favourable or unfavourable then the event occurs with full force. > If > > Dasha is good and transit bad or vice versa, then the results are > not > > clear." > > > > What are your general experience with regard to this? Which > system do > > you like better, or do you use both together. I know of so many > > different Dasha systems. > > > > Atip > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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