Birth Time Rectification-Dear Visti Guru

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Visti Guru,

 

Thank you very much for your kind and generous

assistance.Interestingly, my Navamsa is alright per the folllowing

observations, please correct me if Iam wrong,

 

1)The seventh from Lagnamsa should describe the spouse, my Lagnamsa

falls in Scorpio and the 7th from it is my wife's D-1 Lagna, Taurus.

 

2)The fifth from the Lagnamsa, should indicate the manthra siddhi,

and Pisces indicates the Maha Manthra.

 

3)The above fact is again confirmed by the presence of Jupiter and

mars in Taurus,fifth from my Karakamsa Capricorn, where Saturn my AK

is posited.Taurus being the Moon sign of the Supreme Lord Krishna and

Jupiter the 12th Lord from Karakamsa signifies Maha Manthra.The

presence of Mars with Jupiter shows my Ista,Bhagavan Krishna and

Narasimhadev.

 

Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

 

1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

signify renunciation.

 

2)What is the effect of Retrograde Jupiter in the eighth from my Moon

in Capricorn.Does Retrogression reverse the effects of Sakata Yoga

and Asura Yoga?

 

 

Thank you once again for your time and kindness

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

 

Sudharsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> -------------------

> Dear Sudarshan,

>

> D-10:

> Jupiter retrogade in Virgo- 10th in Dasamsa shows your ability with

numbers and in analysing the dictums of the day.

>

> D-20:

> Sattwic grahas(Sun, Moon and Jup) afflicted in the 8th house, cause

Asura Yoga, however Jupiter in 8th can at times be the greatest

blessing.

>

> As we've rectified the Dasamsa Lagna to Sag, the Vimsamsa lagna

also changes to Leo. Moon in Leo, shows devotion to krishna. Such a

combination is also shared among Isckon devotees.

>

> Now you have to rectify your Navamsa. If Navamsa is fine, then

proceed to Siddhamsa(d-24).

>

> After the above rectification, all 16 Divisons will be acurate.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

> -

> sudhar_srinivasan

> vedic astrology

> Monday, July 01, 2002 4:48 PM

> [vedic astrology] Birth Time Rectification

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Gurus and Learned Members,

>

> I have a predicament that I need some direction with.My time of

birth

> is 8:13 PM and the Vimsottari periods correspond to the events

> predictable upto D-9.Beyond D-9 after a lapse of even three

minutes

> the Lagna changes, i.e, at 8:16PM my D-10 lagna changes from

Scorpio

> to Sagittarius. I believe that 8:16 PM is a better approximation

of

> my birth time as the Dasamsa Lagna of Sagittarius better suits my

> line of work, currently as well as in the past(I am a Stock

Market

> Analyst).An additional factor that prompted me to assume 8:16 as

my

> TOB is my Vimsamsa. My Vimsamsa Lagna with 8:13 PM is Cancer with

Sun

> and Jupiter Placed in Aquarius.In Guruji Sanjay Rath's analysis

of

> Srila Prabhupada's chart he mentions that the placement of

> Sun+Jupiter in the 8th constitutes an Asura yoga. In all humility

I

> beleive that I can atleast call myself an aspiring devotee of

> Krishna, albeit, a long way to go, so the asura yoga does not

fit.If

> I change my TOB to 8:16 it does reflect Jupiter and Sun in the

> seventh as my Lagna becomes Leo.

>

> Is there any way that we can fix the exact time to the minute.If

> there is a need for my Birth Details-

> DOB - 23rd March 1968

> Place - Coimbatore

> TOB -8:13 PM or 8:16PM

>

> I will greatly appreciate any assistance as Iam learning and this

> confusion though intriguing is not very helpful. Sorry for any

> inconvenience caused.

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Sudharsan

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sudharsan,

 

A few more pointers to help in rectification:

 

(1) D-20 itself is based on a seed of 8. The 8th house is a moksha

trikona. It shows tapasya and siddhi. Don't apply thumbrules to rule

out Cn lagna in your D-20.

 

(2) Judge your favorite deity w.r.t. your D-20. The strongest

influences on the 5th in D-20 show your favorite deities. If your D-

20 lagna were Cn, Venus in 5th (Sc) aspected by nodes would show your

favorite deity. It would be a rajasik/tamasik form of Durga. OTOH, if

your D-20 lagna were Le, the 5th would be Sg. It is empty and

strongly aspected by Saturn and exalted Mercury in Virgo. These being

the strongest influence, the deity undoubtedly would be a form of

Vishnu (both Saturn and Mercury show Vishnu). Martian aspect on them

and on Sg would explain Narasimha too.

 

(3) In the same vein, check other deities shown by D-20. Let us say

your D-20 lagna is Le. The 2nd is Vi, containing exalted Mercury and

Saturn. So your Kula Devata (family deity) is probably a form of

Vishnu. OTOH, if your D-20 lagna were Cn, your family deity would be

shown by Moon in Leo (aspected by nodes) - most likely a saattwik

form of Durga. That would perhaps show goddess Lalita or

Rajarajeswari.

 

Similarly, take the indfluences on the 4th house to see your Grama

Devata (village deity). With Le lagna, Venus in Sc aspected by nodes

would be in the 4th and show a tamasik form of Durga.

 

(4) Now, let us go to D-10 for career. When analyzing the formal

career, give priority to AL (arudha lagna). THAT would show how your

self would rise/manifest in the world, in terms of activities in

society. With Sc lagna, AL would be in Le. The 10th from there

contains Saturn and Mars. It does not explain a career as a stock

analyst. Saturn and Taurus (despite Martian presence) show something

well-defined, fixed, rigid and routine.

 

OTOH, if your D-10 lagna were Sg, then AL would be in Pi. From it,

10th is in Sg. That shows your work. Sg is fiery and dual (unlike Ta

which is earthy and fixed). It is aspected by intellectual planets

Mercury and Jupiter (as opposed to routine execution planets - Saturn

and Mars). Mercury shows trading, logic and analysis. Jupiter shows

judgment, wisdom and counselling. Especially being in Mercury's Virgo

(and aspected by Mercury), wise teacher Jupiter is more into earthy

analysis.

 

(5) Based on the above factors, probably you can conclude that your

lagna is above 6 deg. Now, D-24 lagna will change from Sg to Cp at 6

deg 15 min. Now go to D-24 to rectify further!

 

You can use dasas too. For example, find D-10 Narayana dasa and D-24

Narayana dasa and try to explain events.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Visti Guru,

>

> Thank you very much for your kind and generous

> assistance.Interestingly, my Navamsa is alright per the folllowing

> observations, please correct me if Iam wrong,

>

> 1)The seventh from Lagnamsa should describe the spouse, my Lagnamsa

> falls in Scorpio and the 7th from it is my wife's D-1 Lagna, Taurus.

>

> 2)The fifth from the Lagnamsa, should indicate the manthra siddhi,

> and Pisces indicates the Maha Manthra.

>

> 3)The above fact is again confirmed by the presence of Jupiter and

> mars in Taurus,fifth from my Karakamsa Capricorn, where Saturn my

AK

> is posited.Taurus being the Moon sign of the Supreme Lord Krishna

and

> Jupiter the 12th Lord from Karakamsa signifies Maha Manthra.The

> presence of Mars with Jupiter shows my Ista,Bhagavan Krishna and

> Narasimhadev.

>

> Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

>

> 1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

> signify renunciation.

>

> 2)What is the effect of Retrograde Jupiter in the eighth from my

Moon

> in Capricorn.Does Retrogression reverse the effects of Sakata Yoga

> and Asura Yoga?

>

>

> Thank you once again for your time and kindness

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

>

> Sudharsan

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Narasimha Guru

 

Please accept my heartfelt thanks for taking the time to write a

detailed analysis. Yes, your points are confirmed as-

 

1)My favorite deity is Shri Krishna, and Iam attached to Shri

Hayagreeva, and Lord Narasimha.All Vishnu Tattva Deities.

 

2)Our Family Deity is Lord Venkateshwara though from the Uppoiliappan

Temple near Kumbakonam. So we propitiate either Shri Balaji from

Tirumala or Shri Venkateshwara from Kumbakonam.

 

3)I have always had mercurial occupations,I worked for a life insurer

for 5 years before grad school.I sold Life/Health insurance.

 

BTW, I visited Astroexpert.com and they have a system based on Nadi

Jyotisha and that gave my correct time as 20:19:29. The Lagna falls

in 6Lib53.They divide time into male and female zones and make

corrections.That was very intriguing.

 

Regarding Narayana Dasas, I have a doubt.According to the rules for

choosing an appropriate Lagna in D-10, you had mentioned in your book

that the placement of the 10th Lord of the Rasi Chart should be

considered as the lagna in D-10.In that case how would it help in

fixing the D-10 lagna.Unless I find the Phalita from Narayana Dasa

and then analyze the appropriatness of the lagna in giving such

results(Iam speculating here-apologies if it sounds foolish).

 

 

Thank you once again for your deep analysis and time.

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

 

Sudharsan

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Dear Sudharsan,

>

> A few more pointers to help in rectification:

>

> (1) D-20 itself is based on a seed of 8. The 8th house is a moksha

> trikona. It shows tapasya and siddhi. Don't apply thumbrules to

rule

> out Cn lagna in your D-20.

>

> (2) Judge your favorite deity w.r.t. your D-20. The strongest

> influences on the 5th in D-20 show your favorite deities. If your D-

> 20 lagna were Cn, Venus in 5th (Sc) aspected by nodes would show

your

> favorite deity. It would be a rajasik/tamasik form of Durga. OTOH,

if

> your D-20 lagna were Le, the 5th would be Sg. It is empty and

> strongly aspected by Saturn and exalted Mercury in Virgo. These

being

> the strongest influence, the deity undoubtedly would be a form of

> Vishnu (both Saturn and Mercury show Vishnu). Martian aspect on

them

> and on Sg would explain Narasimha too.

>

> (3) In the same vein, check other deities shown by D-20. Let us say

> your D-20 lagna is Le. The 2nd is Vi, containing exalted Mercury

and

> Saturn. So your Kula Devata (family deity) is probably a form of

> Vishnu. OTOH, if your D-20 lagna were Cn, your family deity would

be

> shown by Moon in Leo (aspected by nodes) - most likely a saattwik

> form of Durga. That would perhaps show goddess Lalita or

> Rajarajeswari.

>

> Similarly, take the indfluences on the 4th house to see your Grama

> Devata (village deity). With Le lagna, Venus in Sc aspected by

nodes

> would be in the 4th and show a tamasik form of Durga.

>

> (4) Now, let us go to D-10 for career. When analyzing the formal

> career, give priority to AL (arudha lagna). THAT would show how

your

> self would rise/manifest in the world, in terms of activities in

> society. With Sc lagna, AL would be in Le. The 10th from there

> contains Saturn and Mars. It does not explain a career as a stock

> analyst. Saturn and Taurus (despite Martian presence) show

something

> well-defined, fixed, rigid and routine.

>

> OTOH, if your D-10 lagna were Sg, then AL would be in Pi. From it,

> 10th is in Sg. That shows your work. Sg is fiery and dual (unlike

Ta

> which is earthy and fixed). It is aspected by intellectual planets

> Mercury and Jupiter (as opposed to routine execution planets -

Saturn

> and Mars). Mercury shows trading, logic and analysis. Jupiter shows

> judgment, wisdom and counselling. Especially being in Mercury's

Virgo

> (and aspected by Mercury), wise teacher Jupiter is more into earthy

> analysis.

>

> (5) Based on the above factors, probably you can conclude that your

> lagna is above 6 deg. Now, D-24 lagna will change from Sg to Cp at

6

> deg 15 min. Now go to D-24 to rectify further!

>

> You can use dasas too. For example, find D-10 Narayana dasa and D-

24

> Narayana dasa and try to explain events.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Visti Guru,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your kind and generous

> > assistance.Interestingly, my Navamsa is alright per the

folllowing

> > observations, please correct me if Iam wrong,

> >

> > 1)The seventh from Lagnamsa should describe the spouse, my

Lagnamsa

> > falls in Scorpio and the 7th from it is my wife's D-1 Lagna,

Taurus.

> >

> > 2)The fifth from the Lagnamsa, should indicate the manthra

siddhi,

> > and Pisces indicates the Maha Manthra.

> >

> > 3)The above fact is again confirmed by the presence of Jupiter

and

> > mars in Taurus,fifth from my Karakamsa Capricorn, where Saturn my

> AK

> > is posited.Taurus being the Moon sign of the Supreme Lord Krishna

> and

> > Jupiter the 12th Lord from Karakamsa signifies Maha Manthra.The

> > presence of Mars with Jupiter shows my Ista,Bhagavan Krishna and

> > Narasimhadev.

> >

> > Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

> >

> > 1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

> > signify renunciation.

> >

> > 2)What is the effect of Retrograde Jupiter in the eighth from my

> Moon

> > in Capricorn.Does Retrogression reverse the effects of Sakata

Yoga

> > and Asura Yoga?

> >

> >

> > Thank you once again for your time and kindness

> >

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> >

> > Sudharsan

[Guest guest]

Dear Sudharsan,

 

> Regarding Narayana Dasas, I have a doubt.According to the rules for

> choosing an appropriate Lagna in D-10, you had mentioned in your

book

> that the placement of the 10th Lord of the Rasi Chart should be

> considered as the lagna in D-10.In that case how would it help in

> fixing the D-10 lagna.Unless I find the Phalita from Narayana Dasa

> and then analyze the appropriatness of the lagna in giving such

> results(Iam speculating here-apologies if it sounds foolish).

 

What I wrote in my book was only for the seed to be used in dasa

computation. The lagna found using the 10th lord of rasi chart is

only used as the seed in computing D-10 Narayana dasa.

 

However, when this dasa is interpreted, you do have to consider the

normal lagna, arudha lagna etc of the D-10 chart. You can see it if

you read the examples given in my book or Sanjay ji's book.

 

In your case, for example, Libra's D-10 Narayana dasa is running now.

This would be the case irrespective of what the lagna in D-10 is.

However, the results of this Libra will vary based on D-10 lagna. If

your D-10 lagna is Li, Li dasa will give a new beginning and good

developments in career (1st from lagna and 10th from AL). If your D-

10 lagna is Sc, Li dasa will give rise in formal career (3rd from

AL), but confusion and loss of focus in activities (12th from lagna,

with lord in badhaka sthana with Rahu). If your D-10 lagna is Sg, Li

dasa will give setbacks in formal career (8th from AL) and worries

related to gains (11th from lagna, with lord in 8th with Rahu).

 

This is the kind of analysis you do to fit past events with dasas and

antardasas of D-10/D-24 Narayana dasa to rectify the birthtime.

 

BTW, though there are auto-rectification models that do not need any

life events and are based just on models that divide time into

various quanta in which human birth or male birth or female birth

can/cannot happen, they are often unreliable. I would not go by them.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

-------------

Dear Sudarshan,

Narasimha has helped you with the rectification, i will answer these points

bellow.

 

 

1)The seventh from Lagnamsa should describe the spouse, my Lagnamsa

falls in Scorpio and the 7th from it is my wife's D-1 Lagna, Taurus.

 

Visti: The Lagna of the wife is seen from the Upapada, its trines/7th or its

lord in the Rasi Chart. I have explained the procedure in the past. 7th in

Navamsa, will show the nature of your wife, as well as some characteristics of

hers. Taurus shows a stubborn spouse, with very down-to earth traits.

 

2)The fifth from the Lagnamsa, should indicate the manthra siddhi,

and Pisces indicates the Maha Manthra.

 

Visti: I feel there should be more to this. I have Sag as the 5th house, and

Jupiter in trines to Karakamsa.

 

3)The above fact is again confirmed by the presence of Jupiter and

mars in Taurus,fifth from my Karakamsa Capricorn, where Saturn my AK

is posited.Taurus being the Moon sign of the Supreme Lord Krishna and

Jupiter the 12th Lord from Karakamsa signifies Maha Manthra.The

presence of Mars with Jupiter shows my Ista,Bhagavan Krishna and

Narasimhadev.

 

Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

 

1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

signify renunciation.

 

Visti: it can yes. The mind must also wanto renounce, hence Moon is

necessary. Lagna is also important, check for Pravrayja Yogas.

 

2)What is the effect of Retrograde Jupiter in the eighth from my Moon

in Capricorn.Does Retrogression reverse the effects of Sakata Yoga

and Asura Yoga?

 

Visti: If you had Asura Yoga then you would definitely know. Retrogades tend

to reverse the effects of its placement, but there may still be Sakata yoga.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Visti Guru,

 

Namaste.Thank you very much for clearing my doubt.I have resolved my

Birth time as 8:16:30 PM. You had written in reply to my question,

 

"Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

 

1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

signify renunciation.

 

Visti: it can yes. The mind must also wanto renounce, hence Moon is

necessary. Lagna is also important, check for Pravrayja Yogas.

"

How does one determine if the Moon also wants to renounce? Could you

please describe the Pravrajya Yoga.

 

Thanks for your time

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Sudharsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> -------------

> Dear Sudarshan,

> Narasimha has helped you with the rectification, i will answer

these points bellow.

>

>

> 1)The seventh from Lagnamsa should describe the spouse, my Lagnamsa

> falls in Scorpio and the 7th from it is my wife's D-1 Lagna, Taurus.

>

> Visti: The Lagna of the wife is seen from the Upapada, its

trines/7th or its lord in the Rasi Chart. I have explained the

procedure in the past. 7th in Navamsa, will show the nature of your

wife, as well as some characteristics of hers. Taurus shows a

stubborn spouse, with very down-to earth traits.

>

> 2)The fifth from the Lagnamsa, should indicate the manthra siddhi,

> and Pisces indicates the Maha Manthra.

>

> Visti: I feel there should be more to this. I have Sag as the

5th house, and Jupiter in trines to Karakamsa.

>

> 3)The above fact is again confirmed by the presence of Jupiter and

> mars in Taurus,fifth from my Karakamsa Capricorn, where Saturn my

AK

> is posited.Taurus being the Moon sign of the Supreme Lord Krishna

and

> Jupiter the 12th Lord from Karakamsa signifies Maha Manthra.The

> presence of Mars with Jupiter shows my Ista,Bhagavan Krishna and

> Narasimhadev.

>

> Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

>

> 1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

> signify renunciation.

>

> Visti: it can yes. The mind must also wanto renounce, hence Moon

is necessary. Lagna is also important, check for Pravrayja Yogas.

>

> 2)What is the effect of Retrograde Jupiter in the eighth from my

Moon

> in Capricorn.Does Retrogression reverse the effects of Sakata Yoga

> and Asura Yoga?

>

> Visti: If you had Asura Yoga then you would definitely know.

Retrogades tend to reverse the effects of its placement, but there

may still be Sakata yoga.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

-----------------

Dear Sudarshan,

There are various Pravrayja Yoga for Moon. Basically Moon or its dispositor,

should associate with a rasi, Navamsa or drekkana of Saturn or Mars.

 

Pravrayja Yogas from Lagna, should be reckoned by checking the Lagna lord and

its dispositor and see which yogas it involves in.

 

Similarly also check for yogas in Navamsa.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

-

sudhar_srinivasan

vedic astrology

Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:01 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Birth Time Rectification-Dear Visti Guru

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Visti Guru,

 

Namaste.Thank you very much for clearing my doubt.I have resolved my

Birth time as 8:16:30 PM. You had written in reply to my question,

 

"Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

 

1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

signify renunciation.

 

Visti: it can yes. The mind must also wanto renounce, hence Moon is

necessary. Lagna is also important, check for Pravrayja Yogas.

"

How does one determine if the Moon also wants to renounce? Could you

please describe the Pravrajya Yoga.

 

Thanks for your time

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Sudharsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

> -------------

> Dear Sudarshan,

> Narasimha has helped you with the rectification, i will answer

these points bellow.

>

>

> 1)The seventh from Lagnamsa should describe the spouse, my Lagnamsa

> falls in Scorpio and the 7th from it is my wife's D-1 Lagna, Taurus.

>

> Visti: The Lagna of the wife is seen from the Upapada, its

trines/7th or its lord in the Rasi Chart. I have explained the

procedure in the past. 7th in Navamsa, will show the nature of your

wife, as well as some characteristics of hers. Taurus shows a

stubborn spouse, with very down-to earth traits.

>

> 2)The fifth from the Lagnamsa, should indicate the manthra siddhi,

> and Pisces indicates the Maha Manthra.

>

> Visti: I feel there should be more to this. I have Sag as the

5th house, and Jupiter in trines to Karakamsa.

>

> 3)The above fact is again confirmed by the presence of Jupiter and

> mars in Taurus,fifth from my Karakamsa Capricorn, where Saturn my

AK

> is posited.Taurus being the Moon sign of the Supreme Lord Krishna

and

> Jupiter the 12th Lord from Karakamsa signifies Maha Manthra.The

> presence of Mars with Jupiter shows my Ista,Bhagavan Krishna and

> Narasimhadev.

>

> Now on a side note I have a question on the fact of Renunciation.

>

> 1)Does Jupiter Retrograde in the third from AL in my Rasi also

> signify renunciation.

>

> Visti: it can yes. The mind must also wanto renounce, hence Moon

is necessary. Lagna is also important, check for Pravrayja Yogas.

>

> 2)What is the effect of Retrograde Jupiter in the eighth from my

Moon

> in Capricorn.Does Retrogression reverse the effects of Sakata Yoga

> and Asura Yoga?

>

> Visti: If you had Asura Yoga then you would definitely know.

Retrogades tend to reverse the effects of its placement, but there

may still be Sakata yoga.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

>

>

 

 

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