Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Gurus and members, I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of Saturn's transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, we get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we input the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The following questions arise, 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position in Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus to Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2002? Simply put is the effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due only in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. Hare Krishna Sudharsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 The second question should indicate late January 2003 NOT 2002.Apologize for the typo. vedic astrology, "sudhar_srinivasan" <sudhar108> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Gurus and members, > I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of Saturn's > transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, we > get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we input > the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The > following questions arise, > 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? > > 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position in > Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus to > Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2002? Simply put is the > effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? > > The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due only > in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. > > Hare Krishna > > Sudharsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dear Sudarshan, If you take Saturn's motion w.r.t. Sun, it is more or less uniform. Though there are variations based on Kepler's equation, it is reasonably uniform. However, when you take the motion w.r.t. earth, it is highly non- uniform. He goes very fast sometimes, he goes very slowly sometimes and sometimes he even goes backwards. Calculations of JHL are accurate within an arc-minute for Saturn. Of course, you can change the ayanamsa and that will change the calculations. I am assuming that the temple you mentioned uses either Vakya siddhanta (as opposed to Drik Siddhanta) and/or an ayanamsa different from Lahiri ayanamsa. The ayanamsa used can change the date by months. Assuming you use Drik siddhanta (with the latest models from NASA) and Lahiri ayanamsa, Saturn will be in Gemini from sometime in July 2002. How to know it? Saturn's Gemini transit will take the markets out of troubled waters! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > The second question should indicate late January 2003 NOT > 2002.Apologize for the typo. > > vedic astrology, "sudhar_srinivasan" <sudhar108> > wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Gurus and members, > > I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of > Saturn's > > transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, we > > get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we input > > the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The > > following questions arise, > > 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? > > > > 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position in > > Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus to > > Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2002? Simply put is > the > > effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? > > > > The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due > only > > in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Sudharsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dear Narasimha Guru, Thank you. Yes the temple I referred to uses the Vakhya Siddhanta, I was referring to the Titunallaru Sanishwara temple.Your comments have raised a few more questions/doubts, 1)Since we are on Earth wouldnt it be more suitable for us to use the effects of Saturnine transit based on its forward, retrograde , slow and fast movements? 2)How do the Jyotisha who use the Vakhya Siddhanta and those that use the Drik Siddhanta establish consensus? Regarding the markets,an upward swing would be very welcome.Equity analysis is my line of work and these two years have been the toughest yet. I really appreciate your taking the time to deal with my questions.I am a novice who is still plagued by many doubts /questions. Jaya Jagannatha Sudharsan vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Dear Sudarshan, > > If you take Saturn's motion w.r.t. Sun, it is more or less uniform. > Though there are variations based on Kepler's equation, it is > reasonably uniform. > > However, when you take the motion w.r.t. earth, it is highly non- > uniform. He goes very fast sometimes, he goes very slowly sometimes > and sometimes he even goes backwards. > > Calculations of JHL are accurate within an arc-minute for Saturn. > > Of course, you can change the ayanamsa and that will change the > calculations. I am assuming that the temple you mentioned uses either > Vakya siddhanta (as opposed to Drik Siddhanta) and/or an ayanamsa > different from Lahiri ayanamsa. The ayanamsa used can change the date > by months. > > Assuming you use Drik siddhanta (with the latest models from NASA) > and Lahiri ayanamsa, Saturn will be in Gemini from sometime in July > 2002. > > How to know it? Saturn's Gemini transit will take the markets out of > troubled waters! > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > The second question should indicate late January 2003 NOT > > 2002.Apologize for the typo. > > > > vedic astrology, "sudhar_srinivasan" <sudhar108> > > wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Gurus and members, > > > I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of > > Saturn's > > > transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, > we > > > get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we > input > > > the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The > > > following questions arise, > > > 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? > > > > > > 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position > in > > > Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus > to > > > Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2002? Simply put is > > the > > > effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? > > > > > > The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due > > only > > > in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Sudharsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Sudarshan, Namaste. > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Gurus and members, > I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of Saturn's > transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, we > get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we input > the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The > following questions arise, > 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? This is because Saturn at this part of his track moves quite fast. If we use Lahiri Ayanamsha, the exact date when Saturn will enter Gemini is July 22, 2002. > 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position in > Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus to > Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2002? Simply put is the > effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? I don't really understand what are you trying to say here. The effect of a planet's gochara through a sign are active till the planet is within the sign. If it makes a retrograde loop and leaves it for a short time and then returns, then still the effect of transit will extend from its entering the sign till its final leaving it. However they may be halted while the planet is outside the sign. > The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due only > in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. It may be that they are using a different ayanamsha, although sich a big difference may be hardly justified by any ayanamsha. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Respected gurus, As Sat is moving rather fast a the moment (Bheeta awastha), does that mean that its effects are diminished? Also, its speed reduces again in a few months in Gemini before it retrogrades. Does that mean the effects will strengthen again and affect that sign? Viraj vedic astrology, "Gauranga Das" <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Sudarshan, > > Namaste. > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Gurus and members, > > I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of Saturn's > > transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, we > > get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we input > > the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The > > following questions arise, > > 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? > > This is because Saturn at this part of his track moves quite fast. If we use > Lahiri Ayanamsha, the exact date when Saturn will enter Gemini is July 22, > 2002. > > > 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position in > > Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus to > > Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2002? Simply put is the > > effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? > > I don't really understand what are you trying to say here. The effect of a > planet's gochara through a sign are active till the planet is within the > sign. If it makes a retrograde loop and leaves it for a short time and then > returns, then still the effect of transit will extend from its entering the > sign till its final leaving it. However they may be halted while the planet > is outside the sign. > > > The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due only > > in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. > > It may be that they are using a different ayanamsha, although sich a big > difference may be hardly justified by any ayanamsha. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dear Gurudeva, Dandavats. The temple that I referred to uses the Vakhya Siddhanta and I have always seen big differences in their time for transits. Regarding my question given below, I took the 2.5 years transit of Saturn through a sign to arrive at its transit time per degree thereby applying it to the remaining (30-21)Degrees as of May 15 2002. Finally it reflected that Saturn would move to Gemini only in late January 2003 after it travels the remaining 9 degrees in Taurus. I was unaware of the changes in the speed.Now my doubts have been cleared, I will take the transit of Saturn to occur in late July as you posted. 2)Should we examine the effects of transit based on the position in Gemini or should we calculate its movement from 21 deg 23 Taurus to Gemini whereby the transit occurs in late Jan 2003? Simply put is the effects of Gochara only from Feb 2003? Thank you for clarifying. Your sishya Sudharsan vedic astrology, "Gauranga Das" <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Sudarshan, > > Namaste. > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Gurus and members, > > I have a fundamental doubt that has risen on the timing of Saturn's > > transit to Gemini. If we input May 15th 2002 as the date in JHL, we > > get the longitude of Saturn as 21 Degress 23 Taurus.But if we input > > the dates of July 31st - 3rd Aug 2002, we see him in Gemini.The > > following questions arise, > > 1)How could Saturn transit,approximately 10 degrees in 3 months? > > This is because Saturn at this part of his track moves quite fast. If we use > Lahiri Ayanamsha, the exact date when Saturn will enter Gemini is July 22, > 2002. > > > > I don't really understand what are you trying to say here. The effect of a > planet's gochara through a sign are active till the planet is within the > sign. If it makes a retrograde loop and leaves it for a short time and then > returns, then still the effect of transit will extend from its entering the > sign till its final leaving it. However they may be halted while the planet > is outside the sign. > > > The Sanishwara temple in Southern India says its transit is due only > > in mid 2003.Would appreciate your input and thanks in advance. > > It may be that they are using a different ayanamsha, although sich a big > difference may be hardly justified by any ayanamsha. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dear Sudharsan, (1) Yes, geocentric positions are to be used. (2) There is no consensus between the followers of vakya siddhantas and drik siddhanta. People following vakya siddhanta (esp some Tamils) use approximate formulas for planetary positions. Most people, including the asthana siddhanti of reverred Kanchi peetham, follow drik siddhanta and use the refined planetary models given by the latest observatories. In addition, ayanamsa can change Saturn's transit dates by a few months. But, the impact is little this time due to the fast motion. Whether you use Lahiri ayanamsa or Krishnamoorthy ayanamsa or Raman ayanamsa, Saturn's transit is in July (July 22nd, 21st or 5th). But people following vakya siddhanta can be off by a lot more. (3) BTW, you cannot take the position on a date and derive the position of another date using a linear formula (i.e. 30 deg per 2.5 years). The motion is nonlinear. Period. (4) As Jupiter (life force) becomes exalted and later Saturn (depression) leaves exalted Rahu (materialism) in the second house (wealth) in the natural zodiac, markets should most likely start to get out of troubled waters. This is a transit to look forward to. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Narasimha Guru, > Thank you. Yes the temple I referred to uses the Vakhya Siddhanta, I > was referring to the Titunallaru Sanishwara temple.Your comments have > raised a few more questions/doubts, > > 1)Since we are on Earth wouldnt it be more suitable for us to use the > effects of Saturnine transit based on its forward, retrograde , slow > and fast movements? > > 2)How do the Jyotisha who use the Vakhya Siddhanta and those that use > the Drik Siddhanta establish consensus? > > > Regarding the markets,an upward swing would be very welcome.Equity > analysis is my line of work and these two years have been the > toughest yet. > > I really appreciate your taking the time to deal with my questions.I > am a novice who is still plagued by many doubts /questions. > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Sudharsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Guru Narasimha, Thank you once again for your comments.Since the Earth-Saturn-transit relationship is non-linear, is it safe to assume that the positions relative to Earth are arrived at by the combination of Two linear relationships, i.e, 1)Relationship of Earth with the Sun PLUS 2)Relationship of Saturn with Sun. Again this is assuming that the relationships with Sun are Linear.I thought this would be the intuitive alternate route. Appreciate your comments if time-permits. Yours Sudharsan Jaya Jagannatha vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Dear Sudharsan, > > (1) Yes, geocentric positions are to be used. > > (2) There is no consensus between the followers of vakya siddhantas > and drik siddhanta. People following vakya siddhanta (esp some > Tamils) use approximate formulas for planetary positions. Most > people, including the asthana siddhanti of reverred Kanchi peetham, > follow drik siddhanta and use the refined planetary models given by > the latest observatories. > > In addition, ayanamsa can change Saturn's transit dates by a few > months. But, the impact is little this time due to the fast motion. > Whether you use Lahiri ayanamsa or Krishnamoorthy ayanamsa or Raman > ayanamsa, Saturn's transit is in July (July 22nd, 21st or 5th). > > But people following vakya siddhanta can be off by a lot more. > > (3) BTW, you cannot take the position on a date and derive the > position of another date using a linear formula (i.e. 30 deg per 2.5 > years). The motion is nonlinear. Period. > > (4) As Jupiter (life force) becomes exalted and later Saturn > (depression) leaves exalted Rahu (materialism) in the second house > (wealth) in the natural zodiac, markets should most likely start to > get out of troubled waters. This is a transit to look forward to. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Dear Narasimha Guru, > > Thank you. Yes the temple I referred to uses the Vakhya Siddhanta, > I > > was referring to the Titunallaru Sanishwara temple.Your comments > have > > raised a few more questions/doubts, > > > > 1)Since we are on Earth wouldnt it be more suitable for us to use > the > > effects of Saturnine transit based on its forward, retrograde , > slow > > and fast movements? > > > > 2)How do the Jyotisha who use the Vakhya Siddhanta and those that > use > > the Drik Siddhanta establish consensus? > > > > > > Regarding the markets,an upward swing would be very welcome.Equity > > analysis is my line of work and these two years have been the > > toughest yet. > > > > I really appreciate your taking the time to deal with my > questions.I > > am a novice who is still plagued by many doubts /questions. > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Sudharsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 Dear Narasimha, > > (4) As Jupiter (life force) becomes exalted and later Saturn > (depression) leaves exalted Rahu (materialism) in the second house > (wealth) in the natural zodiac, markets should most likely start to > get out of troubled waters. This is a transit to look forward to. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha When you state markets which one are you refering to? Unlike the US, some of the foreign equity markets have been performing okay. What is a suitable basis for market predictions? Country's birth time? Leader's inauguration time? Market's birth time? Have you had positive results using any particular time? Regards, Prakash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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