Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars) disaster Yoga

June 14, 2002

|| Om Gam Ganapataye Namah ||

Dear Friends

I have been reading some examples in some books by Shri Bhat,

Shri Pradhan and others ( written in 1950s)...All these books talk

about yogas between shani and mangal

If saturn and mars are in the same house or in opposition, it is a

most terrible yoga for suicide, murder, accidents, mishaps,

"dramatic" deaths and "disastrous incidences".

Some examples given in the books are :

(not all of them resulted in deaths though all were

bad)...

Hitler (Suicide?)..

Many murder victims..

Many women who were burnt in dowry related...

People who fell from heights , buildings etc...

People who were hurt by bomb explosions etc...

I am surprised why no classic or english book talks about these...

-Sagar

June 14, 2002

Dear Sagar,

I don't know how others are going to respond to your mail but in my humble

experience this does not hold true as a "stand alone" factor.

I have in my possession several charts (my own included ...) where Sat/Mars

conjunct (in various houses) or opposite (I think that the opposition will

actually give more 'serious' effects).

I know most of those people personally and can say that none of them was

involved in suicide, murder, accidents etc.

They all has different obstacles in life that could be connected to the pair

and the type of karakas they represent. In several cases I would even say

that this conjunction is positive depending on the lordship of the two and

the house they occupy (especially the 12th in my opinion) and the aspects on

them, especially Jupiter. Further, one should also evaluate their status in

the navamsa etc.

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

-

"sagar_chitnis" <sagar_chitnis

Friday, June 14, 2002 9:45 AM

[vedic astrology] Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars)

disaster Yoga

> || Om Gam Ganapataye Namah ||

>

> Dear Friends

>

> I have been reading some examples in some books by Shri Bhat,

> Shri Pradhan and others ( written in 1950s)...All these books talk

> about yogas between shani and mangal

>

> If saturn and mars are in the same house or in opposition, it is a

> most terrible yoga for suicide, murder, accidents, mishaps,

> "dramatic" deaths and "disastrous incidences".

>

> Some examples given in the books are :

> (not all of them resulted in deaths though all were

> bad)...

>

> Hitler (Suicide?)..

> Many murder victims..

> Many women who were burnt in dowry related...

> People who fell from heights , buildings etc...

> People who were hurt by bomb explosions etc...

>

> I am surprised why no classic or english book talks about these...

>

> -Sagar

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 14, 2002

Jay,

I agree. I know someone who basically has had a charmed life where saturn

and mars are in opposition and saturn is in the 1st. Both also aspect the

10th leo which has some powerful raja yogas sun, moon, venus, mercury.

Nimmi

-

"Jay Weiss" <jayhw

Friday, June 14, 2002 9:37 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars)

disaster Yoga

>

> Dear Sagar,

>

> I don't know how others are going to respond to your mail but in my humble

> experience this does not hold true as a "stand alone" factor.

> I have in my possession several charts (my own included ...) where

Sat/Mars

> conjunct (in various houses) or opposite (I think that the opposition will

> actually give more 'serious' effects).

> I know most of those people personally and can say that none of them was

> involved in suicide, murder, accidents etc.

> They all has different obstacles in life that could be connected to the

pair

> and the type of karakas they represent. In several cases I would even say

> that this conjunction is positive depending on the lordship of the two and

> the house they occupy (especially the 12th in my opinion) and the aspects

on

> them, especially Jupiter. Further, one should also evaluate their status

in

> the navamsa etc.

>

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

> -

> "sagar_chitnis" <sagar_chitnis

> <vedic astrology>

> Friday, June 14, 2002 9:45 AM

> [vedic astrology] Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars)

> disaster Yoga

>

> > || Om Gam Ganapataye Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Friends

> >

> > I have been reading some examples in some books by Shri Bhat,

> > Shri Pradhan and others ( written in 1950s)...All these books talk

> > about yogas between shani and mangal

> >

> > If saturn and mars are in the same house or in opposition, it is a

> > most terrible yoga for suicide, murder, accidents, mishaps,

> > "dramatic" deaths and "disastrous incidences".

> >

> > Some examples given in the books are :

> > (not all of them resulted in deaths though all were

> > bad)...

> >

> > Hitler (Suicide?)..

> > Many murder victims..

> > Many women who were burnt in dowry related...

> > People who fell from heights , buildings etc...

> > People who were hurt by bomb explosions etc...

> >

> > I am surprised why no classic or english book talks about these...

> >

> > -Sagar

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 14, 2002

Dear Nimmi and Jay,

Dontja think we're missing a little point here? From what I've heard,

the rasi chart gives you tendencies and to time the actual events

themselves, you gotta use Narayana Dasa. Now, could it be that in the

cases mentioned by you (in Jay's case, himself!), the potential

suicidal tendencies are there waiting to happen when the ND of that

house for which these two afflicted houses become maraka?

I'm tempted to go Jay's way and take my own case (Born 10 Jul 67 at

10.53am in 75-13e, 15-20n). Sat and Mar are 166 degrees apart, 6

rasis and 7 bhavas away from each other. To spice it up, Mars is

conjunct and only 7 degrees away from Ketu and Sat with Rah (in

bhavachakra). None of the four have any benefic planetary aspects. To

a learned astrologer, I'm sure this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Just when it'll actually manifest, I guess only ND can predict.

Apart from this propensity to dive headlong into serious, erudite

discussions, I confess never to being or feeling suicidal

Warm regards,

Ramapriya

hubli

vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> wrote:

> Jay,

>

> I agree. I know someone who basically has had a charmed life where

saturn

> and mars are in opposition and saturn is in the 1st. Both also

aspect the

> 10th leo which has some powerful raja yogas sun, moon, venus,

mercury.

>

> Nimmi

> -

> "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...>

> <vedic astrology>

> Friday, June 14, 2002 9:37 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting - Shani(saturn) and

Mangal( mars)

> disaster Yoga

>

> >

> > Dear Sagar,

> >

> > I don't know how others are going to respond to your mail but in

my humble

> > experience this does not hold true as a "stand alone" factor.

> > I have in my possession several charts (my own included ...) where

> Sat/Mars

> > conjunct (in various houses) or opposite (I think that the

opposition will

> > actually give more 'serious' effects).

> > I know most of those people personally and can say that none of

them was

> > involved in suicide, murder, accidents etc.

> > They all has different obstacles in life that could be connected

to the

> pair

> > and the type of karakas they represent. In several cases I would

even say

> > that this conjunction is positive depending on the lordship of

the two and

> > the house they occupy (especially the 12th in my opinion) and the

aspects

> on

> > them, especially Jupiter. Further, one should also evaluate

their status

> in

> > the navamsa etc.

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Jay Weiss

> >

> > -

> > "sagar_chitnis" <sagar_chitnis>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Friday, June 14, 2002 9:45 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal

( mars)

> > disaster Yoga

> >

> > > || Om Gam Ganapataye Namah ||

> > >

> > > Dear Friends

> > >

> > > I have been reading some examples in some books by Shri Bhat,

> > > Shri Pradhan and others ( written in 1950s)...All these books

talk

> > > about yogas between shani and mangal

> > >

> > > If saturn and mars are in the same house or in opposition, it

is a

> > > most terrible yoga for suicide, murder, accidents, mishaps,

> > > "dramatic" deaths and "disastrous incidences".

> > >

> > > Some examples given in the books are :

> > > (not all of them resulted in deaths though all were

> > > bad)...

> > >

> > > Hitler (Suicide?)..

> > > Many murder victims..

> > > Many women who were burnt in dowry related...

> > > People who fell from heights , buildings etc...

> > > People who were hurt by bomb explosions etc...

> > >

> > > I am surprised why no classic or english book talks about

these...

> > >

> > > -Sagar

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

> >

June 14, 2002

Vyam Vysadevaya Namah

---------------------

Dear Sagar,

Brihat Jataka has talks abit about such yogas, in the section about death.

But as it has been stated before, the whole chart should be seen, and such

isolated factors will not tell much.

Best wishes, Visti.

-

sagar_chitnis

vedic astrology

Friday, June 14, 2002 9:45 AM

[vedic astrology] Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars) disaster Yoga

|| Om Gam Ganapataye Namah ||Dear FriendsI have been reading some examples in

some books by Shri Bhat, Shri Pradhan and others ( written in 1950s)...All

these books talk about yogas between shani and mangalIf saturn and mars are in

the same house or in opposition, it is amost terrible yoga for suicide, murder,

accidents, mishaps, "dramatic" deaths and "disastrous incidences".Some examples

given in the books are :(not all of them resulted in deaths though all were

bad)...Hitler (Suicide?)..Many murder victims..Many women who were burnt in

dowry related...People who fell from heights , buildings etc...People who were

hurt by bomb explosions etc...I am surprised why no classic or english book

talks about these...-SagarArchives:

vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

June 14, 2002

Dear Ramapriya,

"Missing a little" - definitely ... a LOT I think but always learning ...

Consider the option of having them both (Saturn & Mars) in a dushtana (two

negatives in a negative house) will prove the opposite (especially if well

aspected and well placed in the navamsa).

I will disclose to you (and the list) that a certain very well known Indian

astrologer predicted that my future Saturn/Mars (Vim.) is going to yield

super results - that is while I will not be as young (by age) as I may wish

to be. His other predictions (given when I started learning Jyotish) came

true so I have no reason to doubt him - by now I also know his reasoning and

the above (- & - = +) is one of them.

The tendencies for suicide must be there as a direct function of a

combination (at least) lagna/lord and Moon/lord AS WELL AS RAHU/KETU and

their lords.

Honestly, I don't think that there is a clear "miracle" combination to

safely indicate an inherited suicidal tendency with a "guarantee" that it

will happen during a certain dasa. If there is, than very few possess the

knowledge.

Speaking for myself, I love God and life too much (despite the obstacles and

set-backs!!!) to become my own murderer ... More over as a person who

studied some psychology and provide OTHERS with advice and guidness my mind

works exactly in the opposite direction (love of God and life is beautiful).

Inspired by your mail I contacted an old friend of mine in L.A, an

astrologer who also have Ma/Sa conj. and asked if the THOUGHT of suicide

ever occurred despite the hardships she went through in her life. The reply

was short and straight "are you crazy ? life is too beautiful to do such a

foolish thing".

This conjunction is in the 3rd/Libra and Venus is well placed in Rasi and

Mars is the yogakaraka ... (so instead of committing suicide we enjoy life

AS IT UNFOLDS, dealing with the obstacles one at the time ...).

As for dasa periods please remember that suicide is also end of life and

should be seen (among others) from other dasas than ND (like shoola etc).

A thought: What if a learned astrologer "detects" suicidal tendencies in a

chart but there is no dasa period to "support" it ?

I wonder if there is anyone else on this list with Leo lagna, Sat/Mars conj.

and he Sun in trine ?

I'll stop here as this subject has no visible end ... Let's keep on learning

and use our own judgment, keeping in mind the basic rules and adjusted to

our modern times.

God bless

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

-

"ramapriya_d" <ramapriya_d

Friday, June 14, 2002 11:27 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars)

disaster Yoga

> Dear Nimmi and Jay,

>

> Dontja think we're missing a little point here? From what I've heard,

> the rasi chart gives you tendencies and to time the actual events

> themselves, you gotta use Narayana Dasa. Now, could it be that in the

> cases mentioned by you (in Jay's case, himself!), the potential

> suicidal tendencies are there waiting to happen when the ND of that

> house for which these two afflicted houses become maraka?

>

> I'm tempted to go Jay's way and take my own case (Born 10 Jul 67 at

> 10.53am in 75-13e, 15-20n). Sat and Mar are 166 degrees apart, 6

> rasis and 7 bhavas away from each other. To spice it up, Mars is

> conjunct and only 7 degrees away from Ketu and Sat with Rah (in

> bhavachakra). None of the four have any benefic planetary aspects. To

> a learned astrologer, I'm sure this is a disaster waiting to happen.

> Just when it'll actually manifest, I guess only ND can predict.

>

> Apart from this propensity to dive headlong into serious, erudite

> discussions, I confess never to being or feeling suicidal

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli

>

> vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> wrote:

> > Jay,

> >

> > I agree. I know someone who basically has had a charmed life where

> saturn

> > and mars are in opposition and saturn is in the 1st. Both also

> aspect the

> > 10th leo which has some powerful raja yogas sun, moon, venus,

> mercury.

> >

> > Nimmi

> > -

> > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Friday, June 14, 2002 9:37 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting - Shani(saturn) and

> Mangal( mars)

> > disaster Yoga

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Sagar,

> > >

> > > I don't know how others are going to respond to your mail but in

> my humble

> > > experience this does not hold true as a "stand alone" factor.

> > > I have in my possession several charts (my own included ...) where

> > Sat/Mars

> > > conjunct (in various houses) or opposite (I think that the

> opposition will

> > > actually give more 'serious' effects).

> > > I know most of those people personally and can say that none of

> them was

> > > involved in suicide, murder, accidents etc.

> > > They all has different obstacles in life that could be connected

> to the

> > pair

> > > and the type of karakas they represent. In several cases I would

> even say

> > > that this conjunction is positive depending on the lordship of

> the two and

> > > the house they occupy (especially the 12th in my opinion) and the

> aspects

> > on

> > > them, especially Jupiter. Further, one should also evaluate

> their status

> > in

> > > the navamsa etc.

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Jay Weiss

> > >

> > > -

> > > "sagar_chitnis" <sagar_chitnis>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Friday, June 14, 2002 9:45 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal

> ( mars)

> > > disaster Yoga

> > >

> > > > || Om Gam Ganapataye Namah ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading some examples in some books by Shri Bhat,

> > > > Shri Pradhan and others ( written in 1950s)...All these books

> talk

> > > > about yogas between shani and mangal

> > > >

> > > > If saturn and mars are in the same house or in opposition, it

> is a

> > > > most terrible yoga for suicide, murder, accidents, mishaps,

> > > > "dramatic" deaths and "disastrous incidences".

> > > >

> > > > Some examples given in the books are :

> > > > (not all of them resulted in deaths though all were

> > > > bad)...

> > > >

> > > > Hitler (Suicide?)..

> > > > Many murder victims..

> > > > Many women who were burnt in dowry related...

> > > > People who fell from heights , buildings etc...

> > > > People who were hurt by bomb explosions etc...

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised why no classic or english book talks about

> these...

> > > >

> > > > -Sagar

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> >

> > > >

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 15, 2002

Namaste Sagar,

I looked through quite a few of my charts (non famous individuals except

for Isadora Duncan & Marshall K. Applewhite!) & these are my findings:

Out of 30 Saturn/Mars conjunctions: 1 violent accidental death (also

lost her children in previous accident) that was Isadora, 1 suicide

attempt, 2 death by AIDS, one committment to a mental hospital connected

to violence, 1 near- death health emergency, 1 lost younger brother in

accident, 2 deaths by cancer, 1 incarceration due to violent acts. Some

of the other 21 people haven't yet run those planets as dasa lord...

Of 24 oppositions: 5 people quite unstable mentally, 1 very bad injury,

2 medical emergencies (near- death), 1 local earthquake, 1 mass-suicide

leader (Marshall K), 2 cancer diagnoses.

And I also looked at the parivartana & mutual aspects & got 15: 1 is HIV

positive drug addict, 1 seems to be outwardly & unashamedly cruel to

others, 1 life threatening condition out of those.

But as I say, their lives are not over yet...

Regards, Karyne

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June 16, 2002

My! that's a pretty awesome bit of research!

The compulsive optimist in me wants to draw attention to some

basic arithmetic, ie if one third of the sample shows x effect, then

two thirds do not. In other words, outcomes are strongly

influenced by the other factors that are present.

Or to put it another way - perhaps the first lesson in jyotish is not

to panic and/ or leap to conclusions. Years later and I still

sometimes lurch into a spell of misguided self-absorption!

Cheers, Kriya

vedic astrology, "Karyne E. Thompson" <karyne@j...>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Sagar,

>

> I looked through quite a few of my charts (non famous

individuals except

> for Isadora Duncan & Marshall K. Applewhite!) & these are my

findings:

>

> Out of 30 Saturn/Mars conjunctions: 1 violent accidental death

(also

> lost her children in previous accident) that was Isadora, 1

suicide

> attempt, 2 death by AIDS, one committment to a mental

hospital connected

> to violence, 1 near- death health emergency, 1 lost younger

brother in

> accident, 2 deaths by cancer, 1 incarceration due to violent

acts. Some

> of the other 21 people haven't yet run those planets as dasa

lord...

>

> Of 24 oppositions: 5 people quite unstable mentally, 1 very

bad injury,

> 2 medical emergencies (near- death), 1 local earthquake, 1

mass-suicide

> leader (Marshall K), 2 cancer diagnoses.

>

> And I also looked at the parivartana & mutual aspects & got 15:

1 is HIV

> positive drug addict, 1 seems to be outwardly & unashamedly

cruel to

> others, 1 life threatening condition out of those.

>

> But as I say, their lives are not over yet...

>

> Regards, Karyne

>

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June 16, 2002

Dear Jay,

I have been a silent member of this group for over a

year. I am a psychologist in Berlin. I have mangala

and sani (atmakaraka) both in 6th house forming part

of a vipareeta raja yoga. Not my lagna but chandra is

in leo.

my early life (until 30) has not been easy, but even

in the debth of dispair, suicide never was an option.

I think vargottama leo moon has given me the strength

to bear it all. Mangal Dasa came and my life changed

dramatically for the better. I found my Guru, a life

partner and completed my education besides spending

most of that Dasa in India.

Christina

--- Jay Weiss <jayhw wrote:

> Dear Ramapriya,

>

> "Missing a little" - definitely ... a LOT I think

> but always learning ...

> Consider the option of having them both (Saturn &

> Mars) in a dushtana (two

> negatives in a negative house) will prove the

> opposite (especially if well

> aspected and well placed in the navamsa).

>

> I will disclose to you (and the list) that a certain

> very well known Indian

> astrologer predicted that my future Saturn/Mars

> (Vim.) is going to yield

> super results - that is while I will not be as young

> (by age) as I may wish

> to be. His other predictions (given when I started

> learning Jyotish) came

> true so I have no reason to doubt him - by now I

> also know his reasoning and

> the above (- & - = +) is one of them.

>

> The tendencies for suicide must be there as a direct

> function of a

> combination (at least) lagna/lord and Moon/lord AS

> WELL AS RAHU/KETU and

> their lords.

> Honestly, I don't think that there is a clear

> "miracle" combination to

> safely indicate an inherited suicidal tendency with

> a "guarantee" that it

> will happen during a certain dasa. If there is, than

> very few possess the

> knowledge.

>

> Speaking for myself, I love God and life too much

> (despite the obstacles and

> set-backs!!!) to become my own murderer ... More

> over as a person who

> studied some psychology and provide OTHERS with

> advice and guidness my mind

> works exactly in the opposite direction (love of God

> and life is beautiful).

>

> Inspired by your mail I contacted an old friend of

> mine in L.A, an

> astrologer who also have Ma/Sa conj. and asked if

> the THOUGHT of suicide

> ever occurred despite the hardships she went through

> in her life. The reply

> was short and straight "are you crazy ? life is too

> beautiful to do such a

> foolish thing".

> This conjunction is in the 3rd/Libra and Venus is

> well placed in Rasi and

> Mars is the yogakaraka ... (so instead of committing

> suicide we enjoy life

> AS IT UNFOLDS, dealing with the obstacles one at the

> time ...).

>

> As for dasa periods please remember that suicide is

> also end of life and

> should be seen (among others) from other dasas than

> ND (like shoola etc).

>

> A thought: What if a learned astrologer "detects"

> suicidal tendencies in a

> chart but there is no dasa period to "support" it ?

>

> I wonder if there is anyone else on this list with

> Leo lagna, Sat/Mars conj.

> and he Sun in trine ?

>

> I'll stop here as this subject has no visible end

> ... Let's keep on learning

> and use our own judgment, keeping in mind the basic

> rules and adjusted to

> our modern times.

>

> God bless

> Kind regards

>

> Jay Weiss

>

> -

> "ramapriya_d" <ramapriya_d

> <vedic astrology>

> Friday, June 14, 2002 11:27 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting -

> Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars)

> disaster Yoga

>

> > Dear Nimmi and Jay,

> >

> > Dontja think we're missing a little point here?

> From what I've heard,

> > the rasi chart gives you tendencies and to time

> the actual events

> > themselves, you gotta use Narayana Dasa. Now,

> could it be that in the

> > cases mentioned by you (in Jay's case, himself!),

> the potential

> > suicidal tendencies are there waiting to happen

> when the ND of that

> > house for which these two afflicted houses become

> maraka?

> >

> > I'm tempted to go Jay's way and take my own case

> (Born 10 Jul 67 at

> > 10.53am in 75-13e, 15-20n). Sat and Mar are 166

> degrees apart, 6

> > rasis and 7 bhavas away from each other. To spice

> it up, Mars is

> > conjunct and only 7 degrees away from Ketu and Sat

> with Rah (in

> > bhavachakra). None of the four have any benefic

> planetary aspects. To

> > a learned astrologer, I'm sure this is a disaster

> waiting to happen.

> > Just when it'll actually manifest, I guess only ND

> can predict.

> >

> > Apart from this propensity to dive headlong into

> serious, erudite

> > discussions, I confess never to being or feeling

> suicidal

> >

> > Warm regards,

> >

> > Ramapriya

> > hubli

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan"

> <106350.3660@c...> wrote:

> > > Jay,

> > >

> > > I agree. I know someone who basically has had a

> charmed life where

> > saturn

> > > and mars are in opposition and saturn is in the

> 1st. Both also

> > aspect the

> > > 10th leo which has some powerful raja yogas sun,

> moon, venus,

> > mercury.

> > >

> > > Nimmi

> > > -

> > > "Jay Weiss" <jayhw@t...>

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Friday, June 14, 2002 9:37 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting -

> Shani(saturn) and

> > Mangal( mars)

> > > disaster Yoga

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar,

> > > >

> > > > I don't know how others are going to respond

> to your mail but in

> > my humble

> > > > experience this does not hold true as a "stand

> alone" factor.

> > > > I have in my possession several charts (my own

> included ...) where

> > > Sat/Mars

> > > > conjunct (in various houses) or opposite (I

> think that the

> > opposition will

> > > > actually give more 'serious' effects).

> > > > I know most of those people personally and can

> say that none of

> > them was

> > > > involved in suicide, murder, accidents etc.

> > > > They all has different obstacles in life that

> could be connected

> > to the

> > > pair

> > > > and the type of karakas they represent. In

> several cases I would

> > even say

> > > > that this conjunction is positive depending on

> the lordship of

> > the two and

> > > > the house they occupy (especially the 12th in

> my opinion) and the

> > aspects

> > > on

> > > > them, especially Jupiter. Further, one should

> also evaluate

> > their status

> > > in

> > > > the navamsa etc.

>

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Dear Karyne

Can I add to your collection another chart.It is mine.Birth Nov 30 1945 at

04.40 am,Singapore 103E51,O1N17.Time Zone,-7h.30m.Do I qualify to any of the

pronouncements of the Ava Yogas as quoted by Sagar.Finished my Mars Dasa in

childhood and am in currently Sat/Rahu period,Vimshottari.Life has been good

so far.My life is an open book if you need any details,clarifications.God

Bless.

Love and Regards

S Purushothaman

-

"Karyne E. Thompson" <karyne

Sunday, June 16, 2002 4:19 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Interesting - Shani(saturn) and Mangal( mars)

disaster Yoga

>

> Namaste Sagar,

>

> I looked through quite a few of my charts (non famous individuals except

> for Isadora Duncan & Marshall K. Applewhite!) & these are my findings:

>

> Out of 30 Saturn/Mars conjunctions: 1 violent accidental death (also

> lost her children in previous accident) that was Isadora, 1 suicide

> attempt, 2 death by AIDS, one committment to a mental hospital connected

> to violence, 1 near- death health emergency, 1 lost younger brother in

> accident, 2 deaths by cancer, 1 incarceration due to violent acts. Some

> of the other 21 people haven't yet run those planets as dasa lord...

>

> Of 24 oppositions: 5 people quite unstable mentally, 1 very bad injury,

> 2 medical emergencies (near- death), 1 local earthquake, 1 mass-suicide

> leader (Marshall K), 2 cancer diagnoses.

>

> And I also looked at the parivartana & mutual aspects & got 15: 1 is HIV

> positive drug addict, 1 seems to be outwardly & unashamedly cruel to

> others, 1 life threatening condition out of those.

>

> But as I say, their lives are not over yet...

>

> Regards, Karyne

>

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Dear Karyne,

Thanks for your research in this aspect. The book I am reading says

that the saturn-mars have to be approx 180 degree apart and not just

opposite houses.

Also, depending on which pair of houses they occupy, they influence

those people in life.

For example if 3rd and 9th then they are bad for brothers etc..

Also if one or both of these planets are debilitated then it will

make things worse. If both planets are well placed then it could

not lead to disastrous results.

I absolutely agree with comments that just these two cannot decide

one's fate.For example if a vargotamma guru is aspecting one of these

then it is better.

Thanks

Sagar

vedic astrology, "Karyne E. Thompson" <karyne@j...> wrote:

>

> Namaste Sagar,

>

> I looked through quite a few of my charts (non famous individuals

except

> for Isadora Duncan & Marshall K. Applewhite!) & these are my

findings:

>

> Out of 30 Saturn/Mars conjunctions: 1 violent accidental death

(also

> lost her children in previous accident) that was Isadora, 1 suicide

> attempt, 2 death by AIDS, one committment to a mental hospital

connected

> to violence, 1 near- death health emergency, 1 lost younger brother

in

> accident, 2 deaths by cancer, 1 incarceration due to violent acts.

Some

> of the other 21 people haven't yet run those planets as dasa lord...

>

> Of 24 oppositions: 5 people quite unstable mentally, 1 very bad

injury,

> 2 medical emergencies (near- death), 1 local earthquake, 1 mass-

suicide

> leader (Marshall K), 2 cancer diagnoses.

>

> And I also looked at the parivartana & mutual aspects & got 15: 1

is HIV

> positive drug addict, 1 seems to be outwardly & unashamedly cruel to

> others, 1 life threatening condition out of those.

>

> But as I say, their lives are not over yet...

>

> Regards, Karyne

>

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