Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 Dear Visti LArsen, Thank you very much for your assistance. Iam continuing to explore the Atmakaraka's effects and have come up with two more queries.Any help in this regard is deeply appreciated in advance. 1)I have read from some previous discussions that the Dasa of the Atmakaraka can be adverse if the Karakamsa and Lagnamsa are placed in the 6-8 positions.What literature or article is available which talks about the effect of other positions of Karakamsa+Lagnamsa? Specifically should we infer that the physical body as represented by the Lagnamsa in the 11th house from the Karakamsa is engaged in activities beneficial to the Atmakaraka? I would be very grateful if you could point me in the right direction, to do some more reading in the same regard on the web. 2) My chart as calculated by JHL shows Saturn as the Atmakaraka, but Rahu has a greater longitude.How is it possible that Rahu is not the Atmakaraka? Continuing on the same question, if indeed Rahu were to be the Atmakaraka, how do we reject Ketu as they have the same longitude? Please forgive me if the queries are illogical as iam in the process of learning. Thanks once again for the help. Hare Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 Dear Vaishnav Eventhough this mail is directed to Visti, I would like to share my knowledged which ofcourse is gained from this list. >1)I have read from some previous discussions that the Dasa of the >Atmakaraka can be adverse if the Karakamsa and Lagnamsa are placed in >the 6-8 positions.What literature or article is available which talks >about the effect of other positions of Karakamsa+Lagnamsa? >Specifically should we infer that the physical body as represented by >the Lagnamsa in the 11th house from the Karakamsa is engaged in >activities beneficial to the Atmakaraka? I would be very grateful if >you could point me in the right direction, to do some more reading in >the same regard on the web. > The dasa Dasa of AK is always adverse irrespective of its placement wrt Lagnamsa. This is because AK makes one to repent for all sins he has committed in the Past. If it is Malefic by nature, then the punishment is severe. > >2) My chart as calculated by JHL shows Saturn as the Atmakaraka, but >Rahu has a greater longitude.How is it possible that Rahu is not the >Atmakaraka? Continuing on the same question, if indeed Rahu were to >be the Atmakaraka, how do we reject Ketu as they have the same >longitude? Since Ra & Ke travel retrogade you nust subtract this from 30 deg. hence in your case even though it shows a greater Longitude it still is not AK. As far as Chara Karaka system goes, Ke is signifactor for Moksha and not considered as a Chara Karaka. Ke if Placed in 12th AK in Navamsa can redemm one from this Maya. > >Please forgive me if the queries are illogical as iam in the process >of learning. Will also look for explanations from Visti as He is one of the excellent contributors to this List Brahma _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 I can try second question, For Rahu please do 30 - the longitude and that is the advancement, as rahu is always moves in opposite direction. In the scheme we only include 7 planets and rahu, Ketu is not included, so donot worry about ketu, I donot know the reason. --- vaishnav108 <sudhar108 wrote: > Dear Visti LArsen, > Thank you very much for your assistance. Iam > continuing to explore > the Atmakaraka's effects and have come up with two > more queries.Any > help in this regard is deeply appreciated in > advance. > > 1)I have read from some previous discussions that > the Dasa of the > Atmakaraka can be adverse if the Karakamsa and > Lagnamsa are placed in > the 6-8 positions.What literature or article is > available which talks > about the effect of other positions of > Karakamsa+Lagnamsa? > Specifically should we infer that the physical body > as represented by > the Lagnamsa in the 11th house from the Karakamsa is > engaged in > activities beneficial to the Atmakaraka? I would be > very grateful if > you could point me in the right direction, to do > some more reading in > the same regard on the web. > > > 2) My chart as calculated by JHL shows Saturn as the > Atmakaraka, but > Rahu has a greater longitude.How is it possible that > Rahu is not the > Atmakaraka? Continuing on the same question, if > indeed Rahu were to > be the Atmakaraka, how do we reject Ketu as they > have the same > longitude? > > Please forgive me if the queries are illogical as > iam in the process > of learning. > > Thanks once again for the help. > > Hare Krishna > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experience http://launch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Jyotisha, Namaste. > > > Dear Vaishnav > Eventhough this mail is directed to Visti, I would like to share my > knowledged which ofcourse is gained from this list. > > >1)I have read from some previous discussions that the Dasa of the > >Atmakaraka can be adverse if the Karakamsa and Lagnamsa are placed in > >the 6-8 positions.What literature or article is available which talks > >about the effect of other positions of Karakamsa+Lagnamsa? > >Specifically should we infer that the physical body as represented by > >the Lagnamsa in the 11th house from the Karakamsa is engaged in > >activities beneficial to the Atmakaraka? I would be very grateful if > >you could point me in the right direction, to do some more reading in > >the same regard on the web. > > > > The dasa Dasa of AK is always adverse irrespective of its placement wrt > Lagnamsa. This is because AK makes one to repent for all sins he has > committed in the Past. If it is Malefic by nature, then the punishment is > severe. I would not state it so explicitly. Usually the AK's Dasa will give some suffereing to purify the life are which it influences strongly, but in spiritual sense the Dasa of the AK may be protective and even uplifting. Also in my experience the Ak protects the atma, so it will not sdestroy the native. Hence if a Maraka planet becomes the AK, it will not kill the native. Otherwise your remark about the beneficence is correct. Also placement in Lagna and Navamsha, its relation to Lagna, AL etc. in both charts is quites siginficant for predicting the results of the dasa. If it's favourably placed from AL in Rasi and Lagnamsa, then more favourable events will occur. As for books, the only one I have met explaining Lagnamsa/Swamsa relation is Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra. There are some general principles stated, from which you can derive more applications. Like Lagnamsa in 12th from KA is highly favourable for spirituality, however AK in 12th from Lagnamsa is the opposite, etc. If Karakamsa is in 6th from lagnamsa, then the native will be opposed to spiritually beneficial activities in the dasa, and will receive punishment for this. However KA in 8th from Lagnamsa may indicate wrath of the AK irrespective of the activities performed, menaing that it may be rooted in previously committed irreligious acts. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Namaste Gauranga Daasji, How was your pilgrimage? I am sorry to ask you after a long time. If Ke is in 12th to Mo(AK) but in Rasi chart and not Navamsa will lead one to Moksha Marga? As per learned members in this group It is D9 chart that is to be considered. However I do know some people take Karakamsa sign in D1 as a reference and do interpretations. It is like taking chandra as lagna. As per them D9 is a derivation of D1 and D9 is mainly related to Dharma which one has to follow. can you or other learned gurus throw some light on this. Brahma _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah -------------- Dear Brahma, AK in rasi shows the desires of the native. Ketu in 12th from AK shows that the Soul desires moksha, and in Dasa's related to the AK the soul will definitely strive towards this.. Especially the Maha Dasa. Best wishes, Visti. - Lakshman Brahma vedic astrology Friday, May 17, 2002 8:47 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Atmakaraka-Query Namaste Gauranga Daasji,How was your pilgrimage? I am sorry to ask you after a long time.If Ke is in 12th to Mo(AK) but in Rasi chart and not Navamsa will lead one to Moksha Marga? As per learned members in this group It is D9 chart that is to be considered. However I do know some people take Karakamsa sign in D1 as a reference and do interpretations. It is like taking chandra as lagna. As per them D9 is a derivation of D1 and D9 is mainly related to Dharma which one has to follow.can you or other learned gurus throw some light on this.Brahma_______________Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2002 Report Share Posted May 18, 2002 Vyam Vsyadevaya Namah ------------- Dear Mitesh, You mean; 5 Planets, 2 luminaries and 1 node. Lets just call them all grahas. Best wishes, Visti. - M T vedic astrology Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:48 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Atmakaraka-Query I can try second question,For Rahu please do 30 - the longitude and that is theadvancement, as rahu is always moves in oppositedirection.In the scheme we only include 7 planets and rahu, Ketuis not included, so donot worry about ketu, I donotknow the reason.--- vaishnav108 <sudhar108 > wrote:> Dear Visti LArsen,> Thank you very much for your assistance. Iam> continuing to explore > the Atmakaraka's effects and have come up with two> more queries.Any > help in this regard is deeply appreciated in> advance.> > 1)I have read from some previous discussions that> the Dasa of the > Atmakaraka can be adverse if the Karakamsa and> Lagnamsa are placed in > the 6-8 positions.What literature or article is> available which talks > about the effect of other positions of> Karakamsa+Lagnamsa? > Specifically should we infer that the physical body> as represented by > the Lagnamsa in the 11th house from the Karakamsa is> engaged in > activities beneficial to the Atmakaraka? I would be> very grateful if > you could point me in the right direction, to do> some more reading in > the same regard on the web.> > > 2) My chart as calculated by JHL shows Saturn as the> Atmakaraka, but > Rahu has a greater longitude.How is it possible that> Rahu is not the > Atmakaraka? Continuing on the same question, if> indeed Rahu were to > be the Atmakaraka, how do we reject Ketu as they> have the same > longitude?> > Please forgive me if the queries are illogical as> iam in the process > of learning.> > Thanks once again for the help.> > Hare Krishna > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experiencehttp://launch.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2002 Report Share Posted May 18, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah Dear Lakshman and Vaishnav, Just 1 elaboration bellow. The dasa Dasa of AK is always adverse irrespective of its placement wrt Lagnamsa. This is because AK makes one to repent for all sins he has committed in the Past. If it is Malefic by nature, then the punishment is severe. Visti: Only in Nakshetra Dasa. This is because the Soul takes on the character of the Maha Dasa Graha, and teaches the native a hard lesson, which 'hopefully' sends them running straight to church. In some cases this does not happen and they do the exact opposite and shun god. However in case of Narayana Dasa Rasi housing AK, a great personal-achievement comes to life. Rest is great! Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2002 Report Share Posted May 18, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Lakshman, Namaste. > > > Namaste Gauranga Daasji, > How was your pilgrimage? I am sorry to ask you after a long time. > If Ke is in 12th to Mo(AK) but in Rasi chart and not Navamsa will lead one > to Moksha Marga? Ketu in 12th from Moon is always good for Moksha, as it makes it easy to give up mentall attachment for things lost. Also Ketu in 12th from Lagna is good for the same. However, with Rahu, it should be in 12th or 7th from Arudha Lagna to give good results for spirituality. As per learned members in this group It is D9 chart that is > to be considered. However I do know some people take Karakamsa sign in D1 as > a reference and do interpretations. It is like taking chandra as lagna. As > per them D9 is a derivation of D1 and D9 is mainly related to Dharma which > one has to follow. > can you or other learned gurus throw some light on this. You can take Moon or any other planet that becomes Atmakaraka and make it a reference point in Rasi chart and see how thing will affect the nativeás spiritual growth. However, in Rasi it will give a little different meaning than in Navamsha, where the dharma-related desires are expressed. So Karakamsa as explained in Jaimini Sutram must definitely mean the sign ocuppied by AK in Navamsha, and it should be analysed in Navamsha. There's another point however, which you may hint at, that some wrongly take the Karakamsa sign in the Rasi chart and interpret that. Menaning that if say Moon is the AK and it's situated in Pisces Navamsa, they take the sign Pisces in Rasi as Karakamsa. This is completely wrong and should not be applied. There's no such relationship between Rai and Navamsa. There is however another kind, called Rasi tulya navamsa, as explained by the Nadi astrologers. However I will not go into details reg. this right now. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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