Answer to Profession- Puzzle, Moral of Story, NBRY

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Dear friends

 

If any one of u wish to try this puzzle before reading this, please do

so. This puzzle is an important lesson in basic astrology, which lesson

u will not truly appreciate unless u try the puzzle first.

 

Arno was almost bang-on in the essence of the native's professional

life (more important than getting the exact profession, which u cant

get unless u got step 1 right, which Arno & Dasgupta did). Partha could

have eventually got it, if he had only continued his

elimination-thought-process, & therefore, also taken a deep breath to

stop & look at the whole chart instead of digging deeper.

 

I gave this puzzle for a reason. But first the answer, with an

interesting twist (addl puzzle):

 

1. Employer: One of the largest finanical services companies in India.

It is only in high-end complex finance, ie routine-jobs/ clerks are a

rare commodity, only in admin dept; most are MBAs/ CAs at entrance

level. There is no consumer-related finance in this company (which

normally entail routine operational work).

 

2. Workplace: one of the plushest offices in the country, by any

international standards. The Co spent Rs 550 crores (USD 110 mn) on its

10 floor HQ, with inlaid marble, shyam ahuja carpeting, etc- just name

it - no expense spared.

 

3. Actual Job: He is in a rare job in this company - a sort of

data-entry operator cum accounts report-maker/ reconciler. For A

DECADE, he has done this SAME job - of extreme drudgery, in an

environment of complex work all around him. His job entails only the

rudiments of debit-credit (accounts) beyond entering data on a

computer; and no computer-language skills as such. His department is

indeed the investment management (stock-market mutual fund) part of his

co, as some of u said, for which he is an accounts-clerk of sorts. Yes,

for a long time, the department managed a very large foreign (US) fund,

& now manages domestic funds.

 

4. Nature: He has no initiative, is dim-witted (slow up there),

patient, never loses his cool, completely non-aggro simpleton(if u slap

him, he'll probably bug u the rest of your life, asking u why u were

angry with him, & bear no grudge).

 

5. Interesting detail: His father was a middle-class govt employee. He

is the younger of 2 brothers. He was never really interested in

studies, & with difficulty, passed his bachelor of science. OTOH, his

elder BROTHER is one of the doyens of finance in Bombay - the

ex-managing director of one of the largest finance companies in the

country, a brilliant man in both education & career - was a rank-holder

in chartered accountancy. This STARK difference b/w siblings is very

rare in India, where one's station in life is so intimately entwined

with the educational level & financial position of one's parents - so

that most siblings in India are usually of the same station in life.

 

Moral of the story - why I gave this puzzle: Most/many of us in this

List are astro-hobbyists, ie we only see charts of hi-achievers in any

field, whether Jack-the-Rippers, Sadhus with an open 3rd eye, or modern

Kautilyas brokering peace b/w snarling neighbours. We dont see charts

of common people day-in-day-out, as a professional astrologer does. Eg

I have only this weekend, started seeing my FIRST charts. Hence, we

(including I) do not know the following:

 

1. We do not know the highest-heirarchy factors in a chart or a domain

of a chart, ie the BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, under which all other factors

in the chart, however powerful, operate. Eg if certain important lords,

eg lagna lord, 9th for success, dispositors of personal planets (of

Sun, Moon, lord of Lagna) in the chart are not strong, if they are

mutually not well related, etc, what can the best yogas in the chart

do? We need to understand these boundary conditions for the chart as a

whole. Similarly, for a given domain, say career, we need to judge the

arth trikon, and significators of education & intelligence, to know the

foundations of the domain career before judging career itself. Further,

we need to know the STRENGTH of a karaka before relying on that karaka

to predict (is Ma strong enough to be a karaka, before using its

signification as a surgeon?). I dont know these b'dry condns either. I

want help to learn that. That's why I gave this puzzle.

 

2. Our minds are quagmired in a maelstrom of a thousand astro-factors -

we dont know which are relevant vs irrelevant for a given chart. So we

miss the obvious & do hi-jumps on to complex higher order differential

astro-equations.

 

3. We give too much importance to various relationships b/w planets

(yogas, etc) EVEN if the PARTICIPATING planets are not strong enough to

form these yogas powerfully. We are too liberal in our definitions &

thus give undue importance. Because we only see charts of successful

people & hence, we ASSUME the intrinsic factors to be strong. Or we

dont see the OVERALL nexus/ lack of it b/w the planets, & concentrate

on some yogs in isolation.

 

Eg in this chart, how can Sun be exalted when it is debilitated in

navamsa, irrespective of anything else, AND its dispositor Ma (its main

operating environment) is debilitated. What good is Ve's exaltation

when its dispositor Jup (Ve's operating environment) is debilitated

(Jup's NBRY I assume, will not improve the basic deb environment it

provides for the houses it rules & provides the environment for). Jup

is deb in d-10 also (the relevant domain chart), tho also NBRY there.

 

How can neechbhanga happen for Mars when its dispositor Mn is conjoined

a debilitated planet Jup (why r we going by rule-book definitions of

NBRY?). Yes, Jup does have neechbhanga by ANY definition in d-1, & also

in d-10, in the domain of career. The dasa of his age 30s is deb

Jupiter as maha dasa lord (age 31 to 47)- so obviously, it is not

neechbhanga, for some reason. Does anyone have a clue why? And if Jup

does indeed have NBRY as per rule-book definition, then Ve in Lagna is

surely exalted, but then its dasa never comes. Deb L9 Ma & L10 Jp are

samasaptak (but that is 2 beggars sharing their sorrows, as Gurudev put

it?).

 

Are there any strong Pravrajyas or other Bhangas which vitiate the

entire chart & make a mockery of our exaltations & NBRYs? What is the

true difference b/w neechbhanga (negation of deb) & neechbhanga

(conversion of that to Raj Yog)- can we reassess the rules for that?

 

So we are back to square 1: how to START reading a chart? It is easy to

note down all the influencers to a domain (as u read on, every author

will only increase the no. of tools available, from aspects to

aaschadans to argalas to mutual kendra/kons, to sign & nakshatra

dispositors, & sub-sub-sub-lords... ad infinitum). It is relatively

EASIER even for a beginner, to list never-ending influencers, one of

which will surely tick the correct answer when known. But we MUST start

to learn the PRIMARY influences on a chart, to know WHICH road of

analysis to go down on, & which to ignore. I am not saying there are

RULES for that, but there must be a method which astro-professionals

"intuit by experience", some examples of which I HAVE tried to give

above (eg strength of key planets, etc). Which guide them to follow

just a few paths, in the warren of a typical a-MAZE-ing chart.

 

I wd urge each of us who tried this puzzle to go back & see where they

may have missed a factor of HIGHER heirarchy than the

astro-configurations they have used for their logic-streams. Maybe that

way, each of us can some day arrive at whats more important than

another factor, instead of relying completely on "CONFLUENCE of

factors" which tho important, is not the only answer to this

methodological hiatus.

 

I was initially searching for the chart of a maid-servant/ driver/

"pan-wallah" with lots of RYs to get home my point, but the 2 or 3 I

mustered up the courage to ask, did not know their own required birth

details. Hence, this person, chosen completely at random, but who I

know very well.

 

I hope someday, someone will follow my example & find & send lots of

puzzles of menials, replete with raj yogas & maha-yogadas, exalted

planets and neech-bhanga RYs & what not. So we all get to understand

these BOUNDARY conditions/ higher heirarchy factors for a chart better.

 

Please note that this exercise & posting was not sent patronisingly. I

am in the same boat as anyone else around here. And still searching.

There IS some heirarchy out there, which may not have rules, but which

we are not being able to understand, being lost in the clutter.

 

Regards

 

Nandan

 

PS Now, KNOWING the answer, could someone solve the puzzle

astrologically. Dont blame the birth-time accuracy or ayanamsa too

much, as it takes around 5 minutes EITHER way in this chart, for the

d-9 or d-10 lagna to change, which is unlikely for a birth-time given

as 4/50 am. For ease, Review of Career Basics are:

 

In d-1:

General: St L11/12= strongest in chart, also final dispositor. Lagna

has exalted Ve, aspected by strong St, its lord Jp has NBRY in 11 conj

its exaltator Mn & strong dispositor St. Success= 9: uninfluenced, L9

Ma deb, L9 wrt L10= mutual samasaptak (both deb planets). Dispositors

of personal planets (Sn/Mn/lglord)= Ma & St in mutual 7.

Career-karakas: St is strong. 10: uninfluenced, L10 Jup with

NeechBhangaRajYog tightly conjoined Moon L5 (its exalter) and owner Sat

in Cp, 11 from AL= 7= Vi aspected by Jp/Ve & its lord Mc conj Sn (deb

in d-9).

6 vs 7= service vs business: ...

Income-source: 11 from AL= 7= Vi is aspected by exalted Ve & NBRY Jp,

L7= Mc ...

Career-supporters: Arth-trikon: 2 has (deb in d-9) Sn & Mc (budhitya),

L2 is deb, 6 has Ra & L6 is deb in d-9. Education: 4 is uninfluenced

(ignoring argalas & rasi-aspects for now), L4 conj Sn (deb in d-9). 9

already discussed above.

 

In d-10:

in 10, we have L10= Ve (exalted in d-1) in own Ta. We can do the same

exercise as above, using sign aspects primarily, rather than planetary

ones. Note Jp has NBRY here too.

 

For addl exercise on workplace, if anyone is interested: Workplace= A10

in d-1= 12= Aq with Ke in it, aspected by Ma; in d-10, it is again Aq=

unoccupied 7. Other's perception of his work= 10 from AL= 6= Le with Ra

in it (excellent in upachay 6).

 

=====

 

Best wishes

 

Nandan

 

 

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Nandan,

Now that the answer has been revealed here's my opinion. Raja yogas can

be nullified by just one planet. Lord of 9 and 10 form a high raja yoga

PROVIDED they are unconnected with the lords of the 8th or the 11th. In

the example given by you, Jupiter, Mars and Moon form a raja yoga,

however the presence of Saturn (lord of the 11th and 12th) destroys it.

On the other hand it is not a duryoga. To have a secure job anywhere in

the world these days is enough of an accomplishment. The planets in the

11th house, show a regular income. Lord of 6th in the 2nd and the

ruler of the 12th in the 11th does not make this a very high income.

Those very planets in the 11th however show a successful older brother.

The mutual aspect of Mars Saturn show either conflict or physical

distance between them. The lagna and Venus are subject to a Papakartari

yoga. Exalted Venus in the lagna makes for a good natured person. The

aspect of Saturn doesn't help much. Lagna has the influence of the

lords of the 3rd, 8th 11th and 12th. This reduces the Malavya yoga.

Best,

--aphoton

 

Nandan Chakraborty wrote:

 

>Dear friends

>

>If any one of u wish to try this puzzle before reading this, please do

>so. This puzzle is an important lesson in basic astrology, which lesson

>u will not truly appreciate unless u try the puzzle first.

>

>Arno was almost bang-on in the essence of the native's professional

>life (more important than getting the exact profession, which u cant

>get unless u got step 1 right, which Arno & Dasgupta did). Partha could

>have eventually got it, if he had only continued his

>elimination-thought-process, & therefore, also taken a deep breath to

>stop & look at the whole chart instead of digging deeper.

>

>I gave this puzzle for a reason. But first the answer, with an

>interesting twist (addl puzzle):

>

>1. Employer: One of the largest finanical services companies in India.

>It is only in high-end complex finance, ie routine-jobs/ clerks are a

>rare commodity, only in admin dept; most are MBAs/ CAs at entrance

>level. There is no consumer-related finance in this company (which

>normally entail routine operational work).

>

>2. Workplace: one of the plushest offices in the country, by any

>international standards. The Co spent Rs 550 crores (USD 110 mn) on its

>10 floor HQ, with inlaid marble, shyam ahuja carpeting, etc- just name

>it - no expense spared.

>

>3. Actual Job: He is in a rare job in this company - a sort of

>data-entry operator cum accounts report-maker/ reconciler. For A

>DECADE, he has done this SAME job - of extreme drudgery, in an

>environment of complex work all around him. His job entails only the

>rudiments of debit-credit (accounts) beyond entering data on a

>computer; and no computer-language skills as such. His department is

>indeed the investment management (stock-market mutual fund) part of his

>co, as some of u said, for which he is an accounts-clerk of sorts. Yes,

>for a long time, the department managed a very large foreign (US) fund,

>& now manages domestic funds.

>

>4. Nature: He has no initiative, is dim-witted (slow up there),

>patient, never loses his cool, completely non-aggro simpleton(if u slap

>him, he'll probably bug u the rest of your life, asking u why u were

>angry with him, & bear no grudge).

>

>5. Interesting detail: His father was a middle-class govt employee. He

>is the younger of 2 brothers. He was never really interested in

>studies, & with difficulty, passed his bachelor of science. OTOH, his

>elder BROTHER is one of the doyens of finance in Bombay - the

>ex-managing director of one of the largest finance companies in the

>country, a brilliant man in both education & career - was a rank-holder

>in chartered accountancy. This STARK difference b/w siblings is very

>rare in India, where one's station in life is so intimately entwined

>with the educational level & financial position of one's parents - so

>that most siblings in India are usually of the same station in life.

>

>Moral of the story - why I gave this puzzle: Most/many of us in this

>List are astro-hobbyists, ie we only see charts of hi-achievers in any

>field, whether Jack-the-Rippers, Sadhus with an open 3rd eye, or modern

>Kautilyas brokering peace b/w snarling neighbours. We dont see charts

>of common people day-in-day-out, as a professional astrologer does. Eg

>I have only this weekend, started seeing my FIRST charts. Hence, we

>(including I) do not know the following:

>

>1. We do not know the highest-heirarchy factors in a chart or a domain

>of a chart, ie the BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, under which all other factors

>in the chart, however powerful, operate. Eg if certain important lords,

>eg lagna lord, 9th for success, dispositors of personal planets (of

>Sun, Moon, lord of Lagna) in the chart are not strong, if they are

>mutually not well related, etc, what can the best yogas in the chart

>do? We need to understand these boundary conditions for the chart as a

>whole. Similarly, for a given domain, say career, we need to judge the

>arth trikon, and significators of education & intelligence, to know the

>foundations of the domain career before judging career itself. Further,

>we need to know the STRENGTH of a karaka before relying on that karaka

>to predict (is Ma strong enough to be a karaka, before using its

>signification as a surgeon?). I dont know these b'dry condns either. I

>want help to learn that. That's why I gave this puzzle.

>

>2. Our minds are quagmired in a maelstrom of a thousand astro-factors -

>we dont know which are relevant vs irrelevant for a given chart. So we

>miss the obvious & do hi-jumps on to complex higher order differential

>astro-equations.

>

>3. We give too much importance to various relationships b/w planets

>(yogas, etc) EVEN if the PARTICIPATING planets are not strong enough to

>form these yogas powerfully. We are too liberal in our definitions &

>thus give undue importance. Because we only see charts of successful

>people & hence, we ASSUME the intrinsic factors to be strong. Or we

>dont see the OVERALL nexus/ lack of it b/w the planets, & concentrate

>on some yogs in isolation.

>

>Eg in this chart, how can Sun be exalted when it is debilitated in

>navamsa, irrespective of anything else, AND its dispositor Ma (its main

>operating environment) is debilitated. What good is Ve's exaltation

>when its dispositor Jup (Ve's operating environment) is debilitated

>(Jup's NBRY I assume, will not improve the basic deb environment it

>provides for the houses it rules & provides the environment for). Jup

>is deb in d-10 also (the relevant domain chart), tho also NBRY there.

>

>How can neechbhanga happen for Mars when its dispositor Mn is conjoined

>a debilitated planet Jup (why r we going by rule-book definitions of

>NBRY?). Yes, Jup does have neechbhanga by ANY definition in d-1, & also

>in d-10, in the domain of career. The dasa of his age 30s is deb

>Jupiter as maha dasa lord (age 31 to 47)- so obviously, it is not

>neechbhanga, for some reason. Does anyone have a clue why? And if Jup

>does indeed have NBRY as per rule-book definition, then Ve in Lagna is

>surely exalted, but then its dasa never comes. Deb L9 Ma & L10 Jp are

>samasaptak (but that is 2 beggars sharing their sorrows, as Gurudev put

>it?).

>

>Are there any strong Pravrajyas or other Bhangas which vitiate the

>entire chart & make a mockery of our exaltations & NBRYs? What is the

>true difference b/w neechbhanga (negation of deb) & neechbhanga

>(conversion of that to Raj Yog)- can we reassess the rules for that?

>

>So we are back to square 1: how to START reading a chart? It is easy to

>note down all the influencers to a domain (as u read on, every author

>will only increase the no. of tools available, from aspects to

>aaschadans to argalas to mutual kendra/kons, to sign & nakshatra

>dispositors, & sub-sub-sub-lords... ad infinitum). It is relatively

>EASIER even for a beginner, to list never-ending influencers, one of

>which will surely tick the correct answer when known. But we MUST start

>to learn the PRIMARY influences on a chart, to know WHICH road of

>analysis to go down on, & which to ignore. I am not saying there are

>RULES for that, but there must be a method which astro-professionals

>"intuit by experience", some examples of which I HAVE tried to give

>above (eg strength of key planets, etc). Which guide them to follow

>just a few paths, in the warren of a typical a-MAZE-ing chart.

>

>I wd urge each of us who tried this puzzle to go back & see where they

>may have missed a factor of HIGHER heirarchy than the

>astro-configurations they have used for their logic-streams. Maybe that

>way, each of us can some day arrive at whats more important than

>another factor, instead of relying completely on "CONFLUENCE of

>factors" which tho important, is not the only answer to this

>methodological hiatus.

>

>I was initially searching for the chart of a maid-servant/ driver/

>"pan-wallah" with lots of RYs to get home my point, but the 2 or 3 I

>mustered up the courage to ask, did not know their own required birth

>details. Hence, this person, chosen completely at random, but who I

>know very well.

>

>I hope someday, someone will follow my example & find & send lots of

>puzzles of menials, replete with raj yogas & maha-yogadas, exalted

>planets and neech-bhanga RYs & what not. So we all get to understand

>these BOUNDARY conditions/ higher heirarchy factors for a chart better.

>

>Please note that this exercise & posting was not sent patronisingly. I

>am in the same boat as anyone else around here. And still searching.

>There IS some heirarchy out there, which may not have rules, but which

>we are not being able to understand, being lost in the clutter.

>

>Regards

>

>Nandan

>

>PS Now, KNOWING the answer, could someone solve the puzzle

>astrologically. Dont blame the birth-time accuracy or ayanamsa too

>much, as it takes around 5 minutes EITHER way in this chart, for the

>d-9 or d-10 lagna to change, which is unlikely for a birth-time given

>as 4/50 am. For ease, Review of Career Basics are:

>

>In d-1:

>General: St L11/12= strongest in chart, also final dispositor. Lagna

>has exalted Ve, aspected by strong St, its lord Jp has NBRY in 11 conj

>its exaltator Mn & strong dispositor St. Success= 9: uninfluenced, L9

>Ma deb, L9 wrt L10= mutual samasaptak (both deb planets). Dispositors

>of personal planets (Sn/Mn/lglord)= Ma & St in mutual 7.

>Career-karakas: St is strong. 10: uninfluenced, L10 Jup with

>NeechBhangaRajYog tightly conjoined Moon L5 (its exalter) and owner Sat

>in Cp, 11 from AL= 7= Vi aspected by Jp/Ve & its lord Mc conj Sn (deb

>in d-9).

>6 vs 7= service vs business: ...

>Income-source: 11 from AL= 7= Vi is aspected by exalted Ve & NBRY Jp,

>L7= Mc ...

>Career-supporters: Arth-trikon: 2 has (deb in d-9) Sn & Mc (budhitya),

>L2 is deb, 6 has Ra & L6 is deb in d-9. Education: 4 is uninfluenced

>(ignoring argalas & rasi-aspects for now), L4 conj Sn (deb in d-9). 9

>already discussed above.

>

>In d-10:

>in 10, we have L10= Ve (exalted in d-1) in own Ta. We can do the same

>exercise as above, using sign aspects primarily, rather than planetary

>ones. Note Jp has NBRY here too.

>

>For addl exercise on workplace, if anyone is interested: Workplace= A10

>in d-1= 12= Aq with Ke in it, aspected by Ma; in d-10, it is again Aq=

>unoccupied 7. Other's perception of his work= 10 from AL= 6= Le with Ra

>in it (excellent in upachay 6).

>

>=====

>

>Best wishes

>

>Nandan

>

>

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Hi,

 

I'm Neeraj Bhatia and following are my details.

===========

DOB: 15 November 1974, 12.30 PM

Place: Hardwar, Uttaranchal/UP, India

===========

 

In my chart I've 9th Lord Mercury and 11th Lord Mars

in 10th house along with 8th lord Sun. Also 11th Lord

Mars is in parivartana with 10th Lord Venus.

 

Does this means I've Dharm-Karamadhipati Yoga due to

9th Lord Mercury and 10 the Lord Mars(Exchanged from

parivatana with Venus)?

 

Can you please comment on the positions of these

planets and how they are and will affect my career

and income in near future?

 

Thanks a lot,

Neeraj

 

--- aphoton <aphoton wrote:

> Nandan,

> Now that the answer has been revealed here's my

> opinion. Raja yogas can

> be nullified by just one planet. Lord of 9 and 10

> form a high raja yoga

> PROVIDED they are unconnected with the lords of the

> 8th or the 11th. In

> the example given by you, Jupiter, Mars and Moon

> form a raja yoga,

> however the presence of Saturn (lord of the 11th and

> 12th) destroys it.

> On the other hand it is not a duryoga. To have a

> secure job anywhere in

> the world these days is enough of an accomplishment.

> The planets in the

> 11th house, show a regular income. Lord of 6th in

> the 2nd and the

> ruler of the 12th in the 11th does not make this a

> very high income.

> Those very planets in the 11th however show a

> successful older brother.

> The mutual aspect of Mars Saturn show either

> conflict or physical

> distance between them. The lagna and Venus are

> subject to a Papakartari

> yoga. Exalted Venus in the lagna makes for a good

> natured person. The

> aspect of Saturn doesn't help much. Lagna has the

> influence of the

> lords of the 3rd, 8th 11th and 12th. This reduces

> the Malavya yoga.

> Best,

> --aphoton

>

> Nandan Chakraborty wrote:

>

> >Dear friends

> >

> >If any one of u wish to try this puzzle before

> reading this, please do

> >so. This puzzle is an important lesson in basic

> astrology, which lesson

> >u will not truly appreciate unless u try the puzzle

> first.

> >

> >Arno was almost bang-on in the essence of the

> native's professional

> >life (more important than getting the exact

> profession, which u cant

> >get unless u got step 1 right, which Arno &

> Dasgupta did). Partha could

> >have eventually got it, if he had only continued

> his

> >elimination-thought-process, & therefore, also

> taken a deep breath to

> >stop & look at the whole chart instead of digging

> deeper.

> >

> >I gave this puzzle for a reason. But first the

> answer, with an

> >interesting twist (addl puzzle):

> >

> >1. Employer: One of the largest finanical services

> companies in India.

> >It is only in high-end complex finance, ie

> routine-jobs/ clerks are a

> >rare commodity, only in admin dept; most are MBAs/

> CAs at entrance

> >level. There is no consumer-related finance in this

> company (which

> >normally entail routine operational work).

> >

> >2. Workplace: one of the plushest offices in the

> country, by any

> >international standards. The Co spent Rs 550 crores

> (USD 110 mn) on its

> >10 floor HQ, with inlaid marble, shyam ahuja

> carpeting, etc- just name

> >it - no expense spared.

> >

> >3. Actual Job: He is in a rare job in this company

> - a sort of

> >data-entry operator cum accounts report-maker/

> reconciler. For A

> >DECADE, he has done this SAME job - of extreme

> drudgery, in an

> >environment of complex work all around him. His job

> entails only the

> >rudiments of debit-credit (accounts) beyond

> entering data on a

> >computer; and no computer-language skills as such.

> His department is

> >indeed the investment management (stock-market

> mutual fund) part of his

> >co, as some of u said, for which he is an

> accounts-clerk of sorts. Yes,

> >for a long time, the department managed a very

> large foreign (US) fund,

> >& now manages domestic funds.

> >

> >4. Nature: He has no initiative, is dim-witted

> (slow up there),

> >patient, never loses his cool, completely non-aggro

> simpleton(if u slap

> >him, he'll probably bug u the rest of your life,

> asking u why u were

> >angry with him, & bear no grudge).

> >

> >5. Interesting detail: His father was a

> middle-class govt employee. He

> >is the younger of 2 brothers. He was never really

> interested in

> >studies, & with difficulty, passed his bachelor of

> science. OTOH, his

> >elder BROTHER is one of the doyens of finance in

> Bombay - the

> >ex-managing director of one of the largest finance

> companies in the

> >country, a brilliant man in both education & career

> - was a rank-holder

> >in chartered accountancy. This STARK difference b/w

> siblings is very

> >rare in India, where one's station in life is so

> intimately entwined

> >with the educational level & financial position of

> one's parents - so

> >that most siblings in India are usually of the same

> station in life.

> >

> >Moral of the story - why I gave this puzzle:

> Most/many of us in this

> >List are astro-hobbyists, ie we only see charts of

> hi-achievers in any

> >field, whether Jack-the-Rippers, Sadhus with an

> open 3rd eye, or modern

> >Kautilyas brokering peace b/w snarling neighbours.

> We dont see charts

> >of common people day-in-day-out, as a professional

> astrologer does. Eg

> >I have only this weekend, started seeing my FIRST

> charts. Hence, we

> >(including I) do not know the following:

> >

> >1. We do not know the highest-heirarchy factors in

> a chart or a domain

> >of a chart, ie the BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, under which

> all other factors

> >in the chart, however powerful, operate. Eg if

> certain important lords,

> >eg lagna lord, 9th for success, dispositors of

> personal planets (of

> >Sun, Moon, lord of Lagna) in the chart are not

> strong, if they are

> >mutually not well related, etc, what can the best

> yogas in the chart

> >do? We need to understand these boundary conditions

> for the chart as a

> >whole. Similarly, for a given domain, say career,

> we need to judge the

> >arth trikon, and significators of education &

> intelligence, to know the

> >foundations of the domain career before judging

> career itself. Further,

> >we need to know the STRENGTH of a karaka before

> relying on that karaka

> >to predict (is Ma strong enough to be a karaka,

> before using its

> >signification as a surgeon?). I dont know these

> b'dry condns either. I

> >want help to learn that. That's why I gave this

> puzzle.

> >

> >2. Our minds are quagmired in a maelstrom of a

> thousand astro-factors -

> >we dont know which are relevant vs irrelevant for a

> given chart. So we

> >miss the obvious & do hi-jumps on to complex higher

> order differential

> >astro-equations.

> >

> >3. We give too much importance to various

> relationships b/w planets

> >(yogas, etc) EVEN if the PARTICIPATING planets are

> not strong enough to

> >form these yogas powerfully. We are too liberal in

> our definitions &

> >thus give undue importance. Because we only see

> charts of successful

> >people & hence, we ASSUME the intrinsic factors to

> be strong. Or we

> >dont see the OVERALL nexus/ lack of it b/w the

> planets, & concentrate

> >on some yogs in isolation.

> >

> >Eg in this chart, how can Sun be exalted when it is

> debilitated in

> >navamsa, irrespective of anything else, AND its

> dispositor Ma (its main

> >operating environment) is debilitated. What good is

> Ve's exaltation

> >when its dispositor Jup (Ve's operating

> environment)

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