Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA! I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay Rath and would like someone here to clarify the following. One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from Navamsa lagna. I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about Swamsa and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna. This is not explicit with regard to the above item. Thanks very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna ----------------- Dear *Abbey_US*(Please Sign Your Name), He refers to Chara Atmakaaraka. As it stands for the soul, and moksha is connected to liberation of Soul and not body!! Regards Narayan vedic astrology, "abbey_us" <abbey_us> wrote: > AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA! > > I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay Rath > and would like someone here to clarify the following. > > One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to > final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from > Navamsa lagna. > > I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about Swamsa > and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna. > This is not explicit with regard to the above item. > > Thanks very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Thanks for the reply: How would you interpret the following sutra? SU. 69.-Ketow kaivalyam. First Interpretation == We may take ucche from the previous Sutra and say that if Ketu is found in 12th there will be final Bliss. Second interpretation == Ka meana 1, Ta signifies 6 =16. 16 reversed - 61. Divided by 12, we get balance of 1. If a benefic occupies Karakamsa; the person will have Moksha or Final Bliss. Does anyone have a preference for either interpretation? Also can respected Sanjayji explain if "Swamsa" applies also to the above sutra? - Abhijit vedic astrology, "iyergroups" <iyer_astro@m...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > ----------------- > > Dear *Abbey_US*(Please Sign Your Name), > > He refers to Chara Atmakaaraka. As it stands for the soul, and > moksha is connected to liberation of Soul and not body!! > > Regards > Narayan > > > > vedic astrology, "abbey_us" <abbey_us> wrote: > > AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA! > > > > I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay > Rath > > and would like someone here to clarify the following. > > > > One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to > > final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from > > Navamsa lagna. > > > > I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about > Swamsa > > and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna. > > This is not explicit with regard to the above item. > > > > Thanks very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Hari Om. Dear Abhijit, Maharshi Jaimini does not use names of grahas to indicate houses. There is even a sutra to this effect (I think - na grahaanaam). So Ketou should not be interpreted to mean 1. The names of the grahas stand for themselves. regards, Krishna abbey_us wrote: > Thanks for the reply: > > How would you interpret the following sutra? > > SU. 69.-Ketow kaivalyam. > > First Interpretation == > > We may take ucche from the previous Sutra and say that if Ketu is > found in 12th there will be final Bliss. > > Second interpretation == > > Ka meana 1, Ta signifies 6 =16. 16 reversed - 61. Divided by 12, > we get balance of 1. > > If a benefic occupies Karakamsa; the person > will have Moksha or Final Bliss. > > Does anyone have a preference for either interpretation? > Also can respected Sanjayji explain if "Swamsa" applies also to the > above sutra? > > - Abhijit > > > vedic astrology, "iyergroups" <iyer_astro@m...> wrote: > >>Hare Rama Krishna >>----------------- >> >>Dear *Abbey_US*(Please Sign Your Name), >> >>He refers to Chara Atmakaaraka. As it stands for the soul, and >>moksha is connected to liberation of Soul and not body!! >> >>Regards >>Narayan >> >> >> >>vedic astrology, "abbey_us" <abbey_us> wrote: >> >>>AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA! >>> >>>I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay >>> >>Rath >> >>>and would like someone here to clarify the following. >>> >>>One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to >>>final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from >>>Navamsa lagna. >>> >>>I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about >>> >>Swamsa >> >>>and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna. >>>This is not explicit with regard to the above item. >>> >>>Thanks very much >>> > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Abhijt, In the first Adhyaya first Pada, Maharishi clarifies that he has hidden the numders refering to the signs in the words and not in the names of planets i.e. planets are always referred to by their names. Thus, Katapayadi Varga has been used and this method of Vedic Numerology (has been used in the Jaimini Sutra) to hide the signs and not the planets. In the stanza" ketoh kaivalyam', the reference is to the planet Ketu itself and kaivalyam is moksha. When read independantly, it means 'Ketu is the moksha karaka' when read with the preceding stanza it means ' ketu in the 12th will sure lead one in the path of moksha'. Swamasa has two parts - one is Lagnamsa which is the physical or conscious body and the other is the Atma in the form of Karakamsa. When we talk of emancipation, then to see the 12th house from Lagna is a foolish thing. What does it mean? Emancipation from this body or death or end of body!!! This is known to all. We all have to die one day, so what is the big thing about it. Moksha refers to a state of the Atma as its independant identity is lost for a relativley long period of time. Parasara is very clear in advising us to study 'Bandana or moksha' from the Atmakaraka. Hence this has to be studied from the Karakamsa and not from Lagnamsa.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - "abbey_us" <abbey_us > <vedic astrology> Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:50 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification on Jaimini sutras Thanks for the reply:How would you interpret the following sutra?SU. 69.-Ketow kaivalyam. First Interpretation ==We may take ucche from the previous Sutra and say that if Ketu is found in 12th there will be final Bliss.Second interpretation ==Ka meana 1, Ta signifies 6 =16. 16 reversed - 61. Divided by 12,we get balance of 1.If a benefic occupies Karakamsa; the personwill have Moksha or Final Bliss.Does anyone have a preference for either interpretation?Also can respected Sanjayji explain if "Swamsa" applies also to theabove sutra?- Abhijitvedic astrology, "iyergroups" <iyer_astro@m...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna> -----------------> > Dear *Abbey_US*(Please Sign Your Name),> > He refers to Chara Atmakaaraka. As it stands for the soul, and > moksha is connected to liberation of Soul and not body!!> > Regards> Narayan> > > > vedic astrology, "abbey_us" <abbey_us> wrote:> > AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA!> > > > I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay > Rath> > and would like someone here to clarify the following.> > > > One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to > > final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from > > Navamsa lagna.> > > > I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about > Swamsa > > and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna.> > This is not explicit with regard to the above item.> > > > Thanks very much------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Stock for $4.No Minimums.FREE Money 2002.http://us.click./BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/.8XolB/TM---~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 om mahadevaya namah --------------- Dear Sanjay, Thank you very much for your prompt reply and the clear explanation. I am assuming that the stanza in question implies that it is a sufficient condition but not a necessary one. Is that right? -- Abhijit vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Abhijt, > In the first Adhyaya first Pada, Maharishi clarifies that he has hidden the > numders refering to the signs in the words and not in the names of planets > i.e. planets are always referred to by their names. Thus, Katapayadi Varga > has been used and this method of Vedic Numerology (has been used in the > Jaimini Sutra) to hide the signs and not the planets. In the stanza" ketoh > kaivalyam', the reference is to the planet Ketu itself and kaivalyam is > moksha. When read independantly, it means 'Ketu is the moksha karaka' when > read with the preceding stanza it means ' ketu in the 12th will sure lead > one in the path of moksha'. > Swamasa has two parts - one is Lagnamsa which is the physical or conscious > body and the other is the Atma in the form of Karakamsa. When we talk of > emancipation, then to see the 12th house from Lagna is a foolish thing. What > does it mean? Emancipation from this body or death or end of body!!! This is > known to all. We all have to die one day, so what is the big thing about it. > Moksha refers to a state of the Atma as its independant identity is lost for > a relativley long period of time. Parasara is very clear in advising us to > study 'Bandana or moksha' from the Atmakaraka. Hence this has to be studied > from the Karakamsa and not from Lagnamsa. > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > "abbey_us" <abbey_us> > <vedic astrology> > Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:50 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification on Jaimini sutras > > > Thanks for the reply: > > How would you interpret the following sutra? > > SU. 69.-Ketow kaivalyam. > > First Interpretation == > > We may take ucche from the previous Sutra and say that if Ketu is > found in 12th there will be final Bliss. > > Second interpretation == > > Ka meana 1, Ta signifies 6 =16. 16 reversed - 61. Divided by 12, > we get balance of 1. > > If a benefic occupies Karakamsa; the person > will have Moksha or Final Bliss. > > Does anyone have a preference for either interpretation? > Also can respected Sanjayji explain if "Swamsa" applies also to the > above sutra? > > - Abhijit > > > vedic astrology, "iyergroups" <iyer_astro@m...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > ----------------- > > > > Dear *Abbey_US*(Please Sign Your Name), > > > > He refers to Chara Atmakaaraka. As it stands for the soul, and > > moksha is connected to liberation of Soul and not body!! > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "abbey_us" <abbey_us> wrote: > > > AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA! > > > > > > I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay > > Rath > > > and would like someone here to clarify the following. > > > > > > One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to > > > final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from > > > Navamsa lagna. > > > > > > I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about > > Swamsa > > > and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna. > > > This is not explicit with regard to the above item. > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear Abhijit, Every saint had a past and every sinner has a future. All conditions in Jyotish melt in front of His compassion. With best wishes Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - "abbey_us" <abbey_us <vedic astrology> Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:22 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification on Jaimini sutras om mahadevaya namah --------------- Dear Sanjay, Thank you very much for your prompt reply and the clear explanation. I am assuming that the stanza in question implies that it is a sufficient condition but not a necessary one. Is that right? -- Abhijit vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Abhijt, > In the first Adhyaya first Pada, Maharishi clarifies that he has hidden the > numders refering to the signs in the words and not in the names of planets > i.e. planets are always referred to by their names. Thus, Katapayadi Varga > has been used and this method of Vedic Numerology (has been used in the > Jaimini Sutra) to hide the signs and not the planets. In the stanza" ketoh > kaivalyam', the reference is to the planet Ketu itself and kaivalyam is > moksha. When read independantly, it means 'Ketu is the moksha karaka' when > read with the preceding stanza it means ' ketu in the 12th will sure lead > one in the path of moksha'. > Swamasa has two parts - one is Lagnamsa which is the physical or conscious > body and the other is the Atma in the form of Karakamsa. When we talk of > emancipation, then to see the 12th house from Lagna is a foolish thing. What > does it mean? Emancipation from this body or death or end of body!!! This is > known to all. We all have to die one day, so what is the big thing about it. > Moksha refers to a state of the Atma as its independant identity is lost for > a relativley long period of time. Parasara is very clear in advising us to > study 'Bandana or moksha' from the Atmakaraka. Hence this has to be studied > from the Karakamsa and not from Lagnamsa. > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > "abbey_us" <abbey_us> > <vedic astrology> > Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:50 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Clarification on Jaimini sutras > > > Thanks for the reply: > > How would you interpret the following sutra? > > SU. 69.-Ketow kaivalyam. > > First Interpretation == > > We may take ucche from the previous Sutra and say that if Ketu is > found in 12th there will be final Bliss. > > Second interpretation == > > Ka meana 1, Ta signifies 6 =16. 16 reversed - 61. Divided by 12, > we get balance of 1. > > If a benefic occupies Karakamsa; the person > will have Moksha or Final Bliss. > > Does anyone have a preference for either interpretation? > Also can respected Sanjayji explain if "Swamsa" applies also to the > above sutra? > > - Abhijit > > > vedic astrology, "iyergroups" <iyer_astro@m...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > ----------------- > > > > Dear *Abbey_US*(Please Sign Your Name), > > > > He refers to Chara Atmakaaraka. As it stands for the soul, and > > moksha is connected to liberation of Soul and not body!! > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "abbey_us" <abbey_us> wrote: > > > AUM NAMO BHAGWATE RUDRAYA! > > > > > > I have been reading the translation of Jaimini Sutras by Sanjay > > Rath > > > and would like someone here to clarify the following. > > > > > > One of the verses says "Ketu in the 12th from Karakamsa leads to > > > final emancipation or Moksha". Does this apply also to 12th from > > > Navamsa lagna. > > > > > > I know that Sanjay talks in the begining of this chapter about > > Swamsa > > > and makes the distinction between Karakmsa and the Navamsa lagna. > > > This is not explicit with regard to the above item. > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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