Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 > Dear visti..can you please my questions regarding the AK and AmK and the Ketu-Upapada as no one else is answering. I'll be greatful to you. I read some articles regarding ketu being a > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and can > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even if > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > > regards > Aru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah --------------------------- Dear Aru, Mariage: I don't believe that Ketu in 7th can ruin someones marriage. See 2nd from Upapada. Ganesh didn't wanto marry at first, but was cursed to have 3 wives. In return, he cursed his "curser" to be relieved of her virginity with no other than Vishnu himself. The curses were fulfilled. good or bad? Ketu will not deny nor trouble marriage, infact if its good for Dharma, then its good for Ketu. Spouse may get abit bored thou. Ketu in 7th does delay marriage, as the person has little interest in it. Thats why Venus, Ketu and Upapada can give marriage. Regarding AK and Amk. The mere conjunction of AK and AmK doesn't produce bad temper. Instead see the planets in lagna. The Atmakarakas placement in any sign, shows ALOT of learning with regards to that area of life. A person with AK Venus in 7th, may well consider renouncing, or such. Usually during the Vimshottari Dasa of a Malefic as AK, the person suffers alot, as the time has come for the AK to teach the person about god, within the area of life indicated by the placement of the AK. You see the Chara Karakas, are the temporary Karakas, which teach us about god. AK is for you, the other Karakas for other people. As for your Sag Lagna, and Jup in 8th querry: Benefics in 3rd & 6th from Arudha Lagna is very good, it produces a person of saintly conduct. Malefics do otherwise, but give Raja Yogas as well. Best wishes, Visti. - aru_dulla vedic astrology Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:27 PM [vedic astrology] Ketu and upapada > Dear visti..can you please my questions regarding the AK and AmK and the Ketu-Upapada as no one else is answering. I'll be greatful to you. I read some articles regarding ketu being a > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and can > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even if > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes?> > regards> AruArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Aru, Namaste. > Dear astrologers.....I read some articles regarding ketu being a > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and can > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even if > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > To understand this point, you should first of all understand the deep relationship between marriage and dharma. We say that Ketu is a benefic for dharma, because he gives rise to spiritual knowledge and resulting detachment. Thus marriage should be in tune with this direction to have Ketu as a benefic. If the marriage aims at maintaining dharma, then Ketu is a benefic, helping to resolve the conflicts by detachment. Ohterwise, if the purpose of marriage is to abuse the partner for selfish purposes, Ketu will not act as a benefic. In tha casde when Ketu is in the 7th house or Upapada, he may bring detachment, and a sa result, the native may not marry at all. Does this menat that Ketu was a maletfic? Nopt necessarily, Maybe he saved the native from a hellish marriage. Of course we could experience more direct benefic effect of Mercury if he were in the 2nd or 7th from Upapada or 7th house. Also in the 8th from the 7th house he may obstruct any firther relationships after the first marriage. Also much depends on the overall beneficence of Ketu in the chart, analysed from other angles. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Dear Visti.....Thanks a million for your glorious reply. I have been waiting so long for someone to reply. The reason I asked you this question is, an astrologer told me that conjunction of AK and AmK in lagna , especially sun and mars in lagna makes the person very hot tempered and impatient and sort of bad for marriage. But, he didn't check planetary placements from Arudha lagna. Anyway, thank you very much for answer. regards Aru > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > --------------------------- > Dear Aru, > > Mariage: > I don't believe that Ketu in 7th can ruin someones marriage. See 2nd from > Upapada. > Ganesh didn't wanto marry at first, but was cursed to have 3 wives. In > return, he cursed his "curser" to be relieved of her virginity with no other > than Vishnu himself. > > The curses were fulfilled. good or bad? > > Ketu will not deny nor trouble marriage, infact if its good for Dharma, then > its good for Ketu. Spouse may get abit bored thou. Ketu in 7th does delay > marriage, as the person has little interest in it. > > Thats why Venus, Ketu and Upapada can give marriage. > > Regarding AK and Amk. > The mere conjunction of AK and AmK doesn't produce bad temper. Instead see > the planets in lagna. > > The Atmakarakas placement in any sign, shows ALOT of learning with regards > to that area of life. A person with AK Venus in 7th, may well consider > renouncing, or such. > > Usually during the Vimshottari Dasa of a Malefic as AK, the person suffers > alot, as the time has come for the AK to teach the person about god, within > the area of life indicated by the placement of the AK. > > You see the Chara Karakas, are the temporary Karakas, which teach us about > god. AK is for you, the other Karakas for other people. > > As for your Sag Lagna, and Jup in 8th querry: > Benefics in 3rd & 6th from Arudha Lagna is very good, it produces a person > of saintly conduct. Malefics do otherwise, but give Raja Yogas as well. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > aru_dulla > vedic astrology > Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:27 PM > [vedic astrology] Ketu and upapada > > > > > Dear visti..can you please my questions regarding the AK and AmK > and the Ketu-Upapada as no one else is answering. I'll be greatful to > you. > > I read some articles regarding ketu being a > > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and > can > > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even if > > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > > > > regards > > Aru > > > Sponsor > > > -- ---- > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Dear Gauranga........First of all let me thank you for your fine answer. Do Rahu and Ketu have 5th and 9th aspect in addition to the 7th aspect? thank you Aru > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Aru, > > Namaste. > > > Dear astrologers.....I read some articles regarding ketu being a > > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and can > > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even if > > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > > > > To understand this point, you should first of all understand the deep > relationship between marriage and dharma. We say that Ketu is a benefic for > dharma, because he gives rise to spiritual knowledge and resulting > detachment. Thus marriage should be in tune with this direction to have Ketu > as a benefic. If the marriage aims at maintaining dharma, then Ketu is a > benefic, helping to resolve the conflicts by detachment. Ohterwise, if the > purpose of marriage is to abuse the partner for selfish purposes, Ketu will > not act as a benefic. In tha casde when Ketu is in the 7th house or Upapada, > he may bring detachment, and a sa result, the native may not marry at all. > Does this menat that Ketu was a maletfic? Nopt necessarily, Maybe he saved > the native from a hellish marriage. Of course we could experience more > direct benefic effect of Mercury if he were in the 2nd or 7th from Upapada > or 7th house. Also in the 8th from the 7th house he may obstruct any firther > relationships after the first marriage. Also much depends on the overall > beneficence of Ketu in the chart, analysed from other angles. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Dear Aru, Let me try and give you the answer to your question. Rahu has same aspects as jupiter. i.e. 5th, 9th, 7th and in addition to that it has aspect on 2nd. Now second is in reverse i.e. 12th house from where Rahu is situated, the reason is that Rahu and Ketu travel in reverse direction. Ketu is headless and cannot cast aspect. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "aru_dulla" <aru_dulla> wrote: > Dear Gauranga........First of all let me thank you for your fine > answer. Do Rahu and Ketu have 5th and 9th aspect in addition to the > 7th aspect? > > thank you > Aru > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > Namaste. > > > > > Dear astrologers.....I read some articles regarding ketu being a > > > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and > can > > > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > > > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > > > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even > if > > > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > > > > > > > To understand this point, you should first of all understand the > deep > > relationship between marriage and dharma. We say that Ketu is a > benefic for > > dharma, because he gives rise to spiritual knowledge and resulting > > detachment. Thus marriage should be in tune with this direction to > have Ketu > > as a benefic. If the marriage aims at maintaining dharma, then Ketu > is a > > benefic, helping to resolve the conflicts by detachment. Ohterwise, > if the > > purpose of marriage is to abuse the partner for selfish purposes, > Ketu will > > not act as a benefic. In tha casde when Ketu is in the 7th house or > Upapada, > > he may bring detachment, and a sa result, the native may not marry > at all. > > Does this menat that Ketu was a maletfic? Nopt necessarily, Maybe > he saved > > the native from a hellish marriage. Of course we could experience > more > > direct benefic effect of Mercury if he were in the 2nd or 7th from > Upapada > > or 7th house. Also in the 8th from the 7th house he may obstruct > any firther > > relationships after the first marriage. Also much depends on the > overall > > beneficence of Ketu in the chart, analysed from other angles. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > gauranga@b... > > Jyotish Remedies: > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Dear Asham...Thank you for your answer. Have a nice day. regards Aru > Dear Aru, > Let me try and give you the answer to your question. > Rahu has same aspects as jupiter. i.e. 5th, 9th, 7th and in addition > to that it has aspect on 2nd. Now second is in reverse i.e. 12th > house from where Rahu is situated, the reason is that Rahu and Ketu > travel in reverse direction. > Ketu is headless and cannot cast aspect. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > vedic astrology, "aru_dulla" <aru_dulla> wrote: > > Dear Gauranga........First of all let me thank you for your fine > > answer. Do Rahu and Ketu have 5th and 9th aspect in addition to the > > 7th aspect? > > > > thank you > > Aru > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > Dear astrologers.....I read some articles regarding ketu being a > > > > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic > and > > can > > > > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and > her > > > > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for > upapada > > > > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house > even > > if > > > > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > > > > > > > > > > To understand this point, you should first of all understand the > > deep > > > relationship between marriage and dharma. We say that Ketu is a > > benefic for > > > dharma, because he gives rise to spiritual knowledge and resulting > > > detachment. Thus marriage should be in tune with this direction > to > > have Ketu > > > as a benefic. If the marriage aims at maintaining dharma, then > Ketu > > is a > > > benefic, helping to resolve the conflicts by detachment. > Ohterwise, > > if the > > > purpose of marriage is to abuse the partner for selfish purposes, > > Ketu will > > > not act as a benefic. In tha casde when Ketu is in the 7th house > or > > Upapada, > > > he may bring detachment, and a sa result, the native may not > marry > > at all. > > > Does this menat that Ketu was a maletfic? Nopt necessarily, Maybe > > he saved > > > the native from a hellish marriage. Of course we could experience > > more > > > direct benefic effect of Mercury if he were in the 2nd or 7th > from > > Upapada > > > or 7th house. Also in the 8th from the 7th house he may obstruct > > any firther > > > relationships after the first marriage. Also much depends on the > > overall > > > beneficence of Ketu in the chart, analysed from other angles. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > gauranga@b... > > > Jyotish Remedies: > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------- Dear Aru, In addition to what ash said; The reason that Rahu gives Graha Dristi on the same houses as Jupiter, is because: The 9th, 1st and 5th shows the past, present and future respectively. Where Jupiter blesses us with fortune for what we've done in the Past, Rahu instead curses us for all that we have done in the past. Since Rahu also is the cause of rebirth, it aspects the 12th from it. Note that it travels backwards, so it aspects the 2nd from it in regular count. Now being that Ketu is headless, it doesn't see anything, hence no dristi. Now.. Dristi means sight(view) and theres an important understanding to be made with the reasons that grahas aspect certain houses from them. This is due to the individual Grahas desire. Hence Saturn aspects 3rd and 10th, which are upachaya houses, because it wants you to live long. And hence Ketu cannot have any desires, because its Moksha Karaka! If you have desires, you cannot have moksha. Is anybody compiling this thread into a doc-file, for future reference? Best wishes, Visti. Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 OM Gurave Namah --------------------- Dear Ash A minor correction. Rahu aspects 12th from it which effectively turns out to be 2nd as Rahu's dristi is in reverse to other planet. This gives an idea, why rahu binds the soul to this world (opposite of 12th) with greediness and materialistic tendencies (Rahu's Nature). Thus Rahu, when placed in the 12th aspect the lagna. Pranaam Anjaneya Quoting ashsam73 <ashsam73: > <html><body> > > > <tt> > Dear Aru,<BR> > Let me try and give you the answer to your question.<BR> > Rahu has same aspects as jupiter. i.e. 5th, 9th, 7th and in > addition <BR> > to that it has aspect on 2nd. Now second is in reverse i.e. 12th > <BR> > house from where Rahu is situated, the reason is that Rahu and Ketu > <BR> > travel in reverse direction.<BR> > Ketu is headless and cannot cast aspect.<BR> > <BR> > Cheers !!!<BR> > Ash<BR> > <BR> > vedic astrology, "aru_dulla" > <aru_dulla> wrote:<BR> > > Dear Gauranga........First of all let me thank you for your fine > <BR> > > answer. Do Rahu and Ketu have 5th and 9th aspect in addition to the > <BR> > > 7th aspect? <BR> > > <BR> > > thank you<BR> > > Aru <BR> > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA!<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Dear Aru,<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Namaste.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > > Dear astrologers.....I read some articles regarding ketu > being a<BR> > > > > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire > malefic <BR> > and <BR> > > can<BR> > > > > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th > house and <BR> > her<BR> > > > > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic > for <BR> > upapada<BR> > > > > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th > house <BR> > even <BR> > > if<BR> > > > > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes?<BR> > > > ><BR> > > > <BR> > > > To understand this point, you should first of all understand > the <BR> > > deep<BR> > > > relationship between marriage and dharma. We say that Ketu is > a <BR> > > benefic for<BR> > > > dharma, because he gives rise to spiritual knowledge and > resulting<BR> > > > detachment. Thus marriage should be in tune with this > direction <BR> > to <BR> > > have Ketu<BR> > > > as a benefic. If the marriage aims at maintaining dharma, then > <BR> > Ketu <BR> > > is a<BR> > > > benefic, helping to resolve the conflicts by detachment. <BR> > Ohterwise, <BR> > > if the<BR> > > > purpose of marriage is to abuse the partner for selfish > purposes, <BR> > > Ketu will<BR> > > > not act as a benefic. In tha casde when Ketu is in the 7th > house <BR> > or <BR> > > Upapada,<BR> > > > he may bring detachment, and a sa result, the native may not > <BR> > marry <BR> > > at all.<BR> > > > Does this menat that Ketu was a maletfic? Nopt necessarily, > Maybe <BR> > > he saved<BR> > > > the native from a hellish marriage. Of course we could > experience <BR> > > more<BR> > > > direct benefic effect of Mercury if he were in the 2nd or 7th > <BR> > from <BR> > > Upapada<BR> > > > or 7th house. Also in the 8th from the 7th house he may > obstruct <BR> > > any firther<BR> > > > relationships after the first marriage. Also much depends on > the <BR> > > overall<BR> > > > beneficence of Ketu in the chart, analysed from other > angles.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Yours,<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer<BR> > > > gauranga@b...<BR> > > > Jyotish > Remedies:<BR> > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET<BR> > > > Phone:+36-309-140-839<BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > > <br> > <tt> > Archives: <a > href="vedic astrology"> > Service</a>.</tt> > </br> > > </body></html> > > ---------------- This mail helped a tree grow. Know more at http://green.sify.com Take the shortest route to success! Click here to know how http://education.sify.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Rahu and Ketu do not have any aspects including 7th house as per classical references. There was a misunderstanding in some schools of thought that all planets aspect 7th. Please correct me, if it is wrong. The only thing I came across in Tamil school of thought is 4th aspect for Venus. >"aru_dulla" <aru_dulla >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Ketu and upapada >Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:37:07 -0000 > >Dear Gauranga........First of all let me thank you for your fine >answer. Do Rahu and Ketu have 5th and 9th aspect in addition to the >7th aspect? > >thank you >Aru > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear Aru, > > > > Namaste. > > > > > Dear astrologers.....I read some articles regarding ketu being a > > > benefic for upapada. But, Ketu in 7th house is a dire malefic and >can > > > ruin someone's married life( My aunt had ketu in 7th house and her > > > married life was hellish!). Then how can it be benefic for upapada > > > but at the same time function as a malefic in the 7th house even >if > > > we consider ketu for the dharma purposes? > > > > > > > To understand this point, you should first of all understand the >deep > > relationship between marriage and dharma. We say that Ketu is a >benefic for > > dharma, because he gives rise to spiritual knowledge and resulting > > detachment. Thus marriage should be in tune with this direction to >have Ketu > > as a benefic. If the marriage aims at maintaining dharma, then Ketu >is a > > benefic, helping to resolve the conflicts by detachment. Ohterwise, >if the > > purpose of marriage is to abuse the partner for selfish purposes, >Ketu will > > not act as a benefic. In tha casde when Ketu is in the 7th house or >Upapada, > > he may bring detachment, and a sa result, the native may not marry >at all. > > Does this menat that Ketu was a maletfic? Nopt necessarily, Maybe >he saved > > the native from a hellish marriage. Of course we could experience >more > > direct benefic effect of Mercury if he were in the 2nd or 7th from >Upapada > > or 7th house. Also in the 8th from the 7th house he may obstruct >any firther > > relationships after the first marriage. Also much depends on the >overall > > beneficence of Ketu in the chart, analysed from other angles. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > gauranga@b... > > Jyotish Remedies: > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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