[Hare Rama Krishna] Jesus' chart

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Dear Pt Sanjay Rath,

 

Hare Rama Krsna.

 

>How many wise men were really there? Lets see you get this one right.

>What were their names? Did they really go to see Jesus born? Was the

>angel that spoke to the shepherds a male or a female? Are there any

>female angels at all (No offence meant to ladies please..) in

>chistianity?

 

According to the Gospel of Matthew, when the Wise Men arrived at Herod's

palace, they inquired where was the newborn new King of Judea. I take back

my words from my previous message where I said they may have thought He

would have been born 2 years before. No, they knew He was born at THAT

time. Yet, since Herod became so frightened, he asked the Wise Men when

they first saw His star in the East. They said: 2 years before. Therefore

Herod ordered all children below 2 years to be killed. I think that

explains enough...

 

>I think I have answered your points and you seem to have resent an old

>mail..

 

I didn't resend any mail. I was visiting my family during last three days

and didn't even log onto my e-mail. So I guess it was an error from the

mail server.

 

Let me comment on your previous message.

 

>So, it is unlikely that even a single baby could have

>survived in the small town of bethlehem. Accordingly, if we take the

>death of Herod at 4 BC March to April, and the fact that Jesus did

>survive, then this can be because Jesus was more than 2 years old then.

 

If there was no official registration of the children, then certainly any

child which only looked to be around 2 years or younger, they would have

been slain. I don't think the henchmen of Herod would have even asked the

mothers how old was their child? OK, 2 years and 1 day, he can live...

This killing was en masse, not just in a 'peaceful' way, don't you think?

The reason that Jesus survived this slaying was because they escaped to

Egypt, inspired by an Angel in a dream. In the same way, the Wise Men

didn't return to Herod to report about Jesus' birth, after which Herod

became suspicious and ordered the killing of the children according to the

time he had asked the Wise Men when the new star had appeared. Thus, the

parents of Jesus had enough time to escape from Judea before the massive

killing would take place.

 

>Rath: Fitting the stars to Vorgo is explained in the next para which has

>also been commented on. Astrologers have to rely on such statements as

>given in the book of Revelations for these were also records made by some

>human being who was adept at the knowledge of the stars and the reading s

>of the stars was often taken as the word of God. Hence we find many

>statements about the planets, Sun, Moon etc in them.

 

OK, let's accept that this verse of Revelations describes the birth of

Jesus. We can also explain the verse in another way. Let's take the verse

again: Revelations:12:1-2 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a

woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head

a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in

birth, and pained to be delivered.

 

It says there appeared a 'woman' in the sky, not a 'virgin'. Where does

one deduct the sign of Virgo from? A woman in the sky: Venus is the planet

representing the female, in heaven, the sky: an airy sign (e.g. Aquarius)

clothed with the Sun: Venus is always in the neighbourhood of the Sun,

clothed can mean Venus was in front of the Sun, the Moon under her feet:

the Moon was closely behind the Sun, upon her head a crown of twelve

stars: the next sign to Venus was the 12th sign of the zodiac, Pisces.

Venus in the chart I gave is in Poorvabhadra, from Poorvabhadra to Aswini

there are 3 stars + a triplet of 9 = 12 stars.

You have any other explanation for the crown of twelve stars?

 

Anyway, I doubt the Revelations describe the birth of Jesus 2000 years ago

in this verse. It is a very symbolic book and you'll have to consider

following verses also. You cannot take just this one verse out of its

context and accept it means this or that. In Revelations Ch.11.7-8:

But when they have done their testimony, the Beast which rises from the

ditch will battle with them, will win and kill them. And on the square of

the big city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also

their Lord was crucified, their dead corpses will lie.

If here in Ch. 11 there is mention of the crucifixion of Jesus, how in Ch.

12 His birth will be described?

Now let's look to the next verses: Ch. 12.3: Then another sign appeared in

heaven: a big dragon, red like fire. He had 7 heads and ten horns, and on

every head a diadem. (what would be referred to here?)

Ch.12.4 And his tail swept away one third of the stars in the sky and

threw them on the Earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who would

give birth, so that as soon as she would have given birth, it could devour

her child. (eclipses? meteors?)

It goes on to describe that the woman fled to the desert (indeed, that

looks much like the description of Herod and the fleeing to Egypt), and

remained there for 3 1/2 years. Now, when we calculate backwards from the

death of Herod, that would bring us to about 3 months before the Jup-Sat

conjunction begun. Possible, but a little too long, unless they stayed in

the desert until 3 months after Herod's death.

However, how is it? Further when the dragon is threwn on Earth after a war

in the heavens with Archangel Michael, he chases after the woman with her

child, and the woman is protected by Earth personified. The last verses of

the chapter describe: Ch.12.17-18: Then, to cool his anger on the woman,

the dragon went away, to wage war with the other of her children, those

who faithfully follow the instructions of God and the testimony of Jesus.

And he remained standing on the beach of the sea.

 

Still remains the question: who is the child and who are the other of her

children 'who faithfully follow the instructions of God and the testimony

of Jesus'?

 

To my understanding and the opinion of many biblical scholars, the Book of

Revelations describes visions about the end of times, rather than being a

historical work.

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa