Kalas,dear ash(from discussions from Ramas chart)

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dear ash

 

this is precisely that i was trying to point out. in the age of

dharma standing at one leg, how can foolish mortals like us dare to

attempt the charts of bhagvaan.

 

regards

partha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Partha,

>

> Ram and Krishna are avtars of god that took the form of a human

being

> and did the deeds that we humans can try to understand and

> comphrehended and relate to with our limited intellegence.

>

> Do you really think that we humans in kali yuga can really do

justice

> to the charts of human form of god ?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Just my penny,

> Ash

>

> vedic astrology, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> > dear visti

> >

> > you are technically wrong when you say that rama and krishna had

> some

> > rajo guna. this doesnot sound good. they are avataars for a

> purpose.

> > Thier actions cannot be compared to that of simple humans. For

> every

> > action they performed their is a reason.

> >

> > i will give you a simple analogy

> >

> > see many people talk about the killing of vaali by rama.

> >

> > Vaali represents the inner desires that are too great to

vanquish.

> > The insatiable desires are represented by vaali.

> >

> > A person cannot sit in the front of a tv and watch all kind of

> stuff

> > and say that he can conquor indriyas(senses)

> >

> > you have to conquor the senses by avaoiding such impulses, in

> > retrospect you have to attack them from behind.

> >

> >

> > Rama is purshottama, he is the god. he represents the atman in

> > ramayana, he conqours the senses(vaali) with the help of sugrreva

> (the

> > facilitator).

> >

> > the whole ramayana is full of symbolism. dont equate the actions

of

> > gods with that of ordinary people..

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

<in_joy_i_scream>

> > wrote:

> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah!

> > > ----------------------

> > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > I was referring to the fact, that anyone born on earth has been

> > born through

> > > Rajas Guna, as we are created by Lord Brahma.

> > >

> > > Without Rajas Guna, we cannot be born as indviduals due to our

> > false ego.

> > > I agree that Rama and Krishna didn't have much of this, but yet

> > they were

> > > there.

> > >

> > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > -

> > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:55 AM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Kalas, and miscelleanous (from

> > discussions

> > > from Ramas chart)

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > Dear Visti!

> > >

> > > You wrote

> > >

> > > I'm trying to hint at the fact that The Lord was born with

> two

> > arms and

> > > two legs, just like other Human incarnations, hence he must

have

> > been

> > > afflicted with a certain ammount of Rajas Guna, like the rest

of

> > us, to be

> > > able to reside here on earth. He must still have a very high

> > ammount of

> > > Sattwa Guna thou. Just enough Rajas Guna to be born, loose a

> wife,

> > kill

> > > Ravana and what not.

> > >

> > > Mere killing somebody like Ravana doesn't show that Rama

was

> > afflicted

> > > by Rajo Guna. The outcome (killing) doesn't determine what Guna

> one

> > has in

> > > predominance, however the attitude with which one is performing

> > those

> > > actions will determine under which Guna the person has

performed

> > the act. If

> > > the person is killing someone with anger in his mind, then you

> > might say

> > > that he has predominance of Rajo Guna (Fire), whereas Rama

> already

> > knew the

> > > fate of Ravana and he was just playing his leela and hence he

had

> > the

> > > predominance of Sattwa.

> > >

> > > Krsna who born as god thyself, with all the 16 kalas, can't

> > have any

> > > other Guna other than Sattwa, even though he killed so many

> > rakshashas,

> > > during his period.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > > Sponsor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha,

First things first, we are all not foolish mortals, mortals yes but

not foolish... if we all were foolish all of us would stagnate all of

us have evolved over centuries after centuries.. today what we are is

due to the humans need to self improvise... i really do not think

that foolish mortals would have done that.. there is a bigger picture

out there..... Do not tell me that God made foolish people... if you

have read the first lesson that Gurudev Sanjay taught us, he asked us

a wonderful question, Which of the statements is right.. All is God

or God is All.. ponder about this question for a while before making

such drastic statements. What we all can do is try to better

ourselves, despite knowing of our weakness and vunlability.. that is

what makes us Humans. Chart of the mortal form of Sri Ram Chandra or

Sri Krishna is what helps us to understand his form and purpose on

this earth, with those charts you could learn a lot on how to carry

yourself in public, your duties respect for wife etc...

So try to look at things from a different prespective.

There are various approaches but the Truth is just one.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

vedic astrology, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> dear ash

>

> this is precisely that i was trying to point out. in the age of

> dharma standing at one leg, how can foolish mortals like us dare to

> attempt the charts of bhagvaan.

>

> regards

> partha

>

vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Partha,

> >

> > Ram and Krishna are avtars of god that took the form of a human

> being

> > and did the deeds that we humans can try to understand and

> > comphrehended and relate to with our limited intellegence.

> >

> > Do you really think that we humans in kali yuga can really do

> justice

> > to the charts of human form of god ?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Just my penny,

> > Ash

> >

> > vedic astrology, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > dear visti

> > >

> > > you are technically wrong when you say that rama and krishna

had

> > some

> > > rajo guna. this doesnot sound good. they are avataars for a

> > purpose.

> > > Thier actions cannot be compared to that of simple humans. For

> > every

> > > action they performed their is a reason.

> > >

> > > i will give you a simple analogy

> > >

> > > see many people talk about the killing of vaali by rama.

> > >

> > > Vaali represents the inner desires that are too great to

> vanquish.

> > > The insatiable desires are represented by vaali.

> > >

> > > A person cannot sit in the front of a tv and watch all kind of

> > stuff

> > > and say that he can conquor indriyas(senses)

> > >

> > > you have to conquor the senses by avaoiding such impulses, in

> > > retrospect you have to attack them from behind.

> > >

> > >

> > > Rama is purshottama, he is the god. he represents the atman in

> > > ramayana, he conqours the senses(vaali) with the help of

sugrreva

> > (the

> > > facilitator).

> > >

> > > the whole ramayana is full of symbolism. dont equate the

actions

> of

> > > gods with that of ordinary people..

> > >

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

> <in_joy_i_scream>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah!

> > > > ----------------------

> > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > I was referring to the fact, that anyone born on earth has

been

> > > born through

> > > > Rajas Guna, as we are created by Lord Brahma.

> > > >

> > > > Without Rajas Guna, we cannot be born as indviduals due to

our

> > > false ego.

> > > > I agree that Rama and Krishna didn't have much of this, but

yet

> > > they were

> > > > there.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > -

> > > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:55 AM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Kalas, and miscelleanous

(from

> > > discussions

> > > > from Ramas chart)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > > Dear Visti!

> > > >

> > > > You wrote

> > > >

> > > > I'm trying to hint at the fact that The Lord was born

with

> > two

> > > arms and

> > > > two legs, just like other Human incarnations, hence he must

> have

> > > been

> > > > afflicted with a certain ammount of Rajas Guna, like the rest

> of

> > > us, to be

> > > > able to reside here on earth. He must still have a very high

> > > ammount of

> > > > Sattwa Guna thou. Just enough Rajas Guna to be born, loose a

> > wife,

> > > kill

> > > > Ravana and what not.

> > > >

> > > > Mere killing somebody like Ravana doesn't show that Rama

> was

> > > afflicted

> > > > by Rajo Guna. The outcome (killing) doesn't determine what

Guna

> > one

> > > has in

> > > > predominance, however the attitude with which one is

performing

> > > those

> > > > actions will determine under which Guna the person has

> performed

> > > the act. If

> > > > the person is killing someone with anger in his mind, then

you

> > > might say

> > > > that he has predominance of Rajo Guna (Fire), whereas Rama

> > already

> > > knew the

> > > > fate of Ravana and he was just playing his leela and hence he

> had

> > > the

> > > > predominance of Sattwa.

> > > >

> > > > Krsna who born as god thyself, with all the 16 kalas,

can't

> > > have any

> > > > other Guna other than Sattwa, even though he killed so many

> > > rakshashas,

> > > > during his period.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sarajit

> > > >

> > > > Sponsor

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

> > astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

@e...

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms of

> > > Service.

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Hare Rama Krishna

----------

 

Simply Beutiful!

 

Jaya Jagannatha!

Best wishes, Visti.

 

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Partha,

> First things first, we are all not foolish mortals,

> mortals yes but

> not foolish... if we all were foolish all of us

> would stagnate all of

> us have evolved over centuries after centuries..

> today what we are is

> due to the humans need to self improvise... i really

> do not think

> that foolish mortals would have done that.. there is

> a bigger picture

> out there..... Do not tell me that God made foolish

> people... if you

> have read the first lesson that Gurudev Sanjay

> taught us, he asked us

> a wonderful question, Which of the statements is

> right.. All is God

> or God is All.. ponder about this question for a

> while before making

> such drastic statements. What we all can do is try

> to better

> ourselves, despite knowing of our weakness and

> vunlability.. that is

> what makes us Humans. Chart of the mortal form of

> Sri Ram Chandra or

> Sri Krishna is what helps us to understand his form

> and purpose on

> this earth, with those charts you could learn a lot

> on how to carry

> yourself in public, your duties respect for wife

> etc...

> So try to look at things from a different

> prespective.

> There are various approaches but the Truth is just

> one.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> vedic astrology, "partvinu5"

> <partvinu5> wrote:

> > dear ash

> >

> > this is precisely that i was trying to point out.

> in the age of

> > dharma standing at one leg, how can foolish

> mortals like us dare to

> > attempt the charts of bhagvaan.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "ashsam73"

> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > Ram and Krishna are avtars of god that took the

> form of a human

> > being

> > > and did the deeds that we humans can try to

> understand and

> > > comphrehended and relate to with our limited

> intellegence.

> > >

> > > Do you really think that we humans in kali yuga

> can really do

> > justice

> > > to the charts of human form of god ?

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Just my penny,

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "partvinu5"

> <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > > dear visti

> > > >

> > > > you are technically wrong when you say that

> rama and krishna

> had

> > > some

> > > > rajo guna. this doesnot sound good. they are

> avataars for a

> > > purpose.

> > > > Thier actions cannot be compared to that of

> simple humans. For

> > > every

> > > > action they performed their is a reason.

> > > >

> > > > i will give you a simple analogy

> > > >

> > > > see many people talk about the killing of

> vaali by rama.

> > > >

> > > > Vaali represents the inner desires that are

> too great to

> > vanquish.

> > > > The insatiable desires are represented by

> vaali.

> > > >

> > > > A person cannot sit in the front of a tv and

> watch all kind of

> > > stuff

> > > > and say that he can conquor indriyas(senses)

> > > >

> > > > you have to conquor the senses by avaoiding

> such impulses, in

> > > > retrospect you have to attack them from

> behind.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rama is purshottama, he is the god. he

> represents the atman in

> > > > ramayana, he conqours the senses(vaali) with

> the help of

> sugrreva

> > > (the

> > > > facilitator).

> > > >

> > > > the whole ramayana is full of symbolism. dont

> equate the

> actions

> > of

> > > > gods with that of ordinary people..

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

> > <in_joy_i_scream>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah!

> > > > >

>

----------------------

> > > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > > I was referring to the fact, that anyone

> born on earth has

> been

> > > > born through

> > > > > Rajas Guna, as we are created by Lord

> Brahma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Without Rajas Guna, we cannot be born as

> indviduals due to

> our

> > > > false ego.

> > > > > I agree that Rama and Krishna didn't have

> much of this, but

> yet

> > > > they were

> > > > > there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > > -

> > > > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:55 AM

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Kalas, and

> miscelleanous

> (from

> > > > discussions

> > > > > from Ramas chart)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > > > Dear Visti!

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm trying to hint at the fact that The

> Lord was born

> with

> > > two

> > > > arms and

> > > > > two legs, just like other Human

> incarnations, hence he must

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > afflicted with a certain ammount of Rajas

> Guna, like the rest

> > of

> > > > us, to be

> > > > > able to reside here on earth. He must still

> have a very high

> > > > ammount of

> > > > > Sattwa Guna thou. Just enough Rajas Guna to

> be born, loose a

> > > wife,

> > > > kill

> > > > > Ravana and what not.

> > > > >

>

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Dear Ash

 

i must commend you on your patience. we are all foolish in some way

or other but some are so much more foolish than others...( this is

likely to upset those foolish ones out there so i apologise in

advance )

 

love

jaan

 

 

vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> Dear Partha,

> First things first, we are all not foolish mortals, mortals yes but

> not foolish... if we all were foolish all of us would stagnate all

of

> us have evolved over centuries after centuries.. today what we are

is

> due to the humans need to self improvise... i really do not think

> that foolish mortals would have done that.. there is a bigger

picture

> out there..... Do not tell me that God made foolish people... if

you

> have read the first lesson that Gurudev Sanjay taught us, he asked

us

> a wonderful question, Which of the statements is right.. All is God

> or God is All.. ponder about this question for a while before

making

> such drastic statements. What we all can do is try to better

> ourselves, despite knowing of our weakness and vunlability.. that

is

> what makes us Humans. Chart of the mortal form of Sri Ram Chandra

or

> Sri Krishna is what helps us to understand his form and purpose on

> this earth, with those charts you could learn a lot on how to carry

> yourself in public, your duties respect for wife etc...

> So try to look at things from a different prespective.

> There are various approaches but the Truth is just one.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> vedic astrology, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> > dear ash

> >

> > this is precisely that i was trying to point out. in the age of

> > dharma standing at one leg, how can foolish mortals like us dare

to

> > attempt the charts of bhagvaan.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > Ram and Krishna are avtars of god that took the form of a human

> > being

> > > and did the deeds that we humans can try to understand and

> > > comphrehended and relate to with our limited intellegence.

> > >

> > > Do you really think that we humans in kali yuga can really do

> > justice

> > > to the charts of human form of god ?

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Just my penny,

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "partvinu5" <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > > dear visti

> > > >

> > > > you are technically wrong when you say that rama and krishna

> had

> > > some

> > > > rajo guna. this doesnot sound good. they are avataars for a

> > > purpose.

> > > > Thier actions cannot be compared to that of simple humans.

For

> > > every

> > > > action they performed their is a reason.

> > > >

> > > > i will give you a simple analogy

> > > >

> > > > see many people talk about the killing of vaali by rama.

> > > >

> > > > Vaali represents the inner desires that are too great to

> > vanquish.

> > > > The insatiable desires are represented by vaali.

> > > >

> > > > A person cannot sit in the front of a tv and watch all kind

of

> > > stuff

> > > > and say that he can conquor indriyas(senses)

> > > >

> > > > you have to conquor the senses by avaoiding such impulses, in

> > > > retrospect you have to attack them from behind.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rama is purshottama, he is the god. he represents the atman

in

> > > > ramayana, he conqours the senses(vaali) with the help of

> sugrreva

> > > (the

> > > > facilitator).

> > > >

> > > > the whole ramayana is full of symbolism. dont equate the

> actions

> > of

> > > > gods with that of ordinary people..

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen"

> > <in_joy_i_scream>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah!

> > > > > ----------------------

> > > > > Dear Sarajit,

> > > > > I was referring to the fact, that anyone born on earth has

> been

> > > > born through

> > > > > Rajas Guna, as we are created by Lord Brahma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Without Rajas Guna, we cannot be born as indviduals due to

> our

> > > > false ego.

> > > > > I agree that Rama and Krishna didn't have much of this, but

> yet

> > > > they were

> > > > > there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes, Visti.

> > > > > -

> > > > > Sarajit Poddar

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:55 AM

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Kalas, and miscelleanous

> (from

> > > > discussions

> > > > > from Ramas chart)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > > > Dear Visti!

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm trying to hint at the fact that The Lord was born

> with

> > > two

> > > > arms and

> > > > > two legs, just like other Human incarnations, hence he must

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > afflicted with a certain ammount of Rajas Guna, like the

rest

> > of

> > > > us, to be

> > > > > able to reside here on earth. He must still have a very

high

> > > > ammount of

> > > > > Sattwa Guna thou. Just enough Rajas Guna to be born, loose

a

> > > wife,

> > > > kill

> > > > > Ravana and what not.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mere killing somebody like Ravana doesn't show that

Rama

> > was

> > > > afflicted

> > > > > by Rajo Guna. The outcome (killing) doesn't determine what

> Guna

> > > one

> > > > has in

> > > > > predominance, however the attitude with which one is

> performing

> > > > those

> > > > > actions will determine under which Guna the person has

> > performed

> > > > the act. If

> > > > > the person is killing someone with anger in his mind, then

> you

> > > > might say

> > > > > that he has predominance of Rajo Guna (Fire), whereas Rama

> > > already

> > > > knew the

> > > > > fate of Ravana and he was just playing his leela and hence

he

> > had

> > > > the

> > > > > predominance of Sattwa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Krsna who born as god thyself, with all the 16 kalas,

> can't

> > > > have any

> > > > > other Guna other than Sattwa, even though he killed so many

> > > > rakshashas,

> > > > > during his period.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Sarajit

> > > > >

> > > > > Sponsor

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Group info: vedic-

> > > astrology/info.html

> > > > >

> > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> @e...

> > > > >

> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Terms

of

> > > > Service.

[Guest guest]

--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> what makes us Humans. Chart of the mortal form of

> Sri Ram Chandra or

> Sri Krishna is what helps us to understand his form

 

What do you mean by mortal form? It being subject to

destruction like bodies of other mortals?

 

> and purpose on

> this earth, with those charts you could learn a lot

> on how to carry

> yourself in public, your duties respect for wife

> etc...

 

Do you need the 'charts' to learn how to carry

yourself in public.....?

 

Regards,

Nomadeva

 

 

 

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Dear Nomadeva,

 

Being Born, Breathing, Living and then the ultimate truth of life

that is departing this world I would define as mortal. We humans

are Mortal. Hope this is clarified.

 

Assuming you are an astrology student, your question regarding,

 

" Do you need the 'charts' to learn how to carry yourself in

public.....?"

 

I will leave that upto you to do some serious thinking.

 

 

Hope that it is clear,

And glad to be of assistance,

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

ps : If you need any further clarifications, please email me in the

private as this email goes out to over 500 people, we could do this

off-line.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Nomadeva Sharma <nomadeva> wrote:

>

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

>

> > what makes us Humans. Chart of the mortal form of

> > Sri Ram Chandra or

> > Sri Krishna is what helps us to understand his form

>

> What do you mean by mortal form? It being subject to

> destruction like bodies of other mortals?

>

> > and purpose on

> > this earth, with those charts you could learn a lot

> > on how to carry

> > yourself in public, your duties respect for wife

> > etc...

>

> Do you need the 'charts' to learn how to carry

> yourself in public.....?

>

> Regards,

> Nomadeva

>

>

>

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--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Nomadeva,

>

> Being Born, Breathing, Living and then the ultimate

> truth of life

> that is departing this world I would define as

> mortal. We humans

> are Mortal. Hope this is clarified.

 

Good. I was expecting some such description. The

question, however, was not regarding what is mortal or

not, but whether what you call as the 'mortal' form of

Lord) subject to destruction like the bodies of

mortals? Since you seem to have replied in

affirmative, may be you should have a look at Gita,

9.11

avajAnanti mAM mUDhA mAnuShIM tanumAshritam.h |

paraM bhAvamajAnanto mama bhUtamaheshvaram.h ||

 

These are Krishna's words and not the only time he

says this in the Gita. He emphasizes, more than once

(Refer to the 11th and end of 15th chapter in

particular), that He (and His body) should be not be

thought mortal.

 

> Assuming you are an astrology student, your question

> regarding,

>

> " Do you need the 'charts' to learn how to carry

> yourself in

> public.....?"

>

> I will leave that upto you to do some serious

> thinking.

>

> Hope that it is clear,

> And glad to be of assistance,

 

Well, I guess I need more assistance because all

attempts at serious thinking broke down in the

question that I had first asked: if one needs 'charts'

to learn from Rama, I wonder why Valmiki did not

explain Rama's life from an astrological standpoint. I

wonder why vyAsa had to write two books, Mahabharata

and Bhagavata, and not explain everything from an

astrological standpoint?

 

Note that I am not saying studying of charts is not

useful per se; OTOH, the charts are given by the

authors to understand astrology through the events

depicted in the mainstream texts and not, 'how to

carry yourself in public, how to treat your wife

etc.....'

 

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> ps : If you need any further clarifications, please

> email me in the

> private as this email goes out to over 500 people,

> we could do this

> off-line.

 

I guess there are other people also who'd be

interested in having these 'clarifications'.

 

 

 

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My answers are given below

 

vedic astrology, Nomadeva Sharma <nomadeva> wrote:

>

> --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Nomadeva,

> >

> > Being Born, Breathing, Living and then the ultimate

> > truth of life

> > that is departing this world I would define as

> > mortal. We humans

> > are Mortal. Hope this is clarified.

>

> Good. I was expecting some such description. The

> question, however, was not regarding what is mortal or

> not, but whether what you call as the 'mortal' form of

> Lord) subject to destruction like the bodies of

> mortals? Since you seem to have replied in

> affirmative, may be you should have a look at Gita,

> 9.11

> avajAnanti mAM mUDhA mAnuShIM tanumAshritam.h |

> paraM bhAvamajAnanto mama bhUtamaheshvaram.h ||

>

> These are Krishna's words and not the only time he

> says this in the Gita. He emphasizes, more than once

> (Refer to the 11th and end of 15th chapter in

> particular), that He (and His body) should be not be

> thought mortal.

 

Ash :

Well, think about it, God is in Everyone and every thing so god is

there, but as far as Krishnas physical body as people could see him

like back in Mahabharata days, does not exist today. His spirit does

exist in each and everyone of us.

 

Nomadeva, Gita is in the understanding. Everyone has their own.

 

>

> > Assuming you are an astrology student, your question

 

> > regarding,

> >

> > " Do you need the 'charts' to learn how to carry

> > yourself in

> > public.....?"

> >

> > I will leave that upto you to do some serious

> > thinking.

> >

> > Hope that it is clear,

> > And glad to be of assistance,

>

> Well, I guess I need more assistance because all

> attempts at serious thinking broke down in the

> question that I had first asked: if one needs 'charts'

> to learn from Rama, I wonder why Valmiki did not

> explain Rama's life from an astrological standpoint. I

> wonder why vyAsa had to write two books, Mahabharata

> and Bhagavata, and not explain everything from an

> astrological standpoint?

 

On the same token, also think why Parasara did not give everything in

black and white, nor did Jaimini and other Maharishis. Try and

understand why ?

>

> Note that I am not saying studying of charts is not

> useful per se; OTOH, the charts are given by the

> authors to understand astrology through the events

> depicted in the mainstream texts and not, 'how to

> carry yourself in public, how to treat your wife

> etc.....'

>

 

Ramayana gave in detail about how lord Ram conducted himself in

public, treat his wife sita and his followers etc. You have all

that, you also have lord Rams chart, try to understand which I can

say would be an ardent task to understand how Astrology works,eg. how

is Moola Dasa used to dechiper his 14 years of Vanvas, how Mars

exalted in the 7th and Ruchik Mahapurush yoga manifested in the Lords

chart etc. The epics have a great deal of treasure for us Mortals to

learn from.

 

There are different perspectives and approaches but Truth is just one.

 

Another one for you to think about,

If people from other faith who have never read Ramayana or

Mahabharata or Gita, follow Bible,( Old Testament, New Testament),

Buddhism, Jainism, Islam etc. do you mean to say that the people from

other faiths do not attain moksha and isnt it that the goals of all

these relegions and relegious texts saying the same thing in the end

and teaching us the same things.

 

Why is it that in Islam or Judaism god is not denoted in a physical

form ?

 

Why is that the holy name of God is not spoken in Judaism ?

 

Think about that too.

 

This will be my final post in this thread. I have posted these

questions as I am still trying to understand all these with my

limited intellegence and resources. As just like Hinduism there are

other members of other relegions and faith too on this list. Maybe

some day as you quote the Gita, you will also be able to decipher the

mysteries that exist in the Kabbalah, the Bible, the Koran and the

other holy books.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > ps : If you need any further clarifications, please

> > email me in the

> > private as this email goes out to over 500 people,

> > we could do this

> > off-line.

>

> I guess there are other people also who'd be

> interested in having these 'clarifications'.

>

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--- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

 

> > Gita,

> > 9.11

> > avajAnanti mAM mUDhA mAnuShIM tanumAshritam.h |

> > paraM bhAvamajAnanto mama bhUtamaheshvaram.h ||

> >

> > These are Krishna's words and not the only time he

> > says this in the Gita. He emphasizes, more than

> once

> > (Refer to the 11th and end of 15th chapter in

> > particular), that He (and His body) should be not

> be

> > thought mortal.

>

> Ash :

> Well, think about it, God is in Everyone and every

> thing so god is

> there, but as far as Krishnas physical body as

> people could see him

> like back in Mahabharata days, does not exist today.

> His spirit does

> exist in each and everyone of us.

 

The above is very true, but equally irrelevant to the

basic contention: Is Krishna's form human, in the

sense, is it subject to destruction, like that of

other humans?

 

> Nomadeva, Gita is in the understanding. Everyone

> has their own.

 

Just that everybody has their own understanding does

not make all of them correct. See 2.41: vyavasAyAtmikA

buddhirekeha kurunandanda.... Also the IshAvAsya

Upanishad (8th verse onwards)

So, if you have an alternate explanation to the verse

quoted above (9.11), pls let me know. Let's then

analyse your position further.

 

> Ramayana gave in detail about how lord Ram conducted

> himself in

> public, treat his wife sita and his followers etc.

> You have all

> that, you also have lord Rams chart, try to

> understand which I can

> say would be an ardent task to understand how

> Astrology works,eg. how

> is Moola Dasa used to dechiper his 14 years of

> Vanvas, how Mars

> exalted in the 7th and Ruchik Mahapurush yoga

> manifested in the Lords

> chart etc. The epics have a great deal of treasure

> for us Mortals to

> learn from.

 

Good, the point reached the destination. I was

pointing out to your statement to somebody (Partha?)

that, from 'charts' of Rama etc, one learns how to

carry yourself in public.....?" To me, this sounds as

absurd as saying that the whole essence of a textbook

is contained in the footnotes. Now that you see the

actual utility of Rama's charts, all is well.

 

> There are different perspectives and approaches but

> Truth is just one.

 

How do you know?

 

> Another one for you to think about,

> If people from other faith who have never read

> Ramayana or

> Mahabharata or Gita, follow Bible,( Old Testament,

> New Testament),

> Buddhism, Jainism, Islam etc. do you mean to say

> that the people from

> other faiths do not attain moksha and isnt it that

> the goals of all

> these relegions and relegious texts saying the same

> thing in the end

> and teaching us the same things.

 

First, the definition of moxa in each of these

religions itself varies. One has to make 'n'

compromises to come up with a Unified theory of

moksha. (A small puzzle for you: Let's say you come up

with one such theory; something like Truth is one.

There will definitely be people who will disagree with

you. Will such people get moxa or not? If yes, what is

the point in taking so much pains in formulating a

theory? If no, how is it a 'unified' theory of moxa?)

 

Second, to think that all people will get moxa is

simply conjecture, a proofless concept. It is a

romantic thought and just that.

 

> Why is it that in Islam or Judaism god is not

> denoted in a physical

> form ?

 

In my (narrow) opinion, it is a limitation on their

part.

 

> Why is that the holy name of God is not spoken in

> Judaism ?

 

In my (narrow) opinion, it is a limitation. Btw, is

'God' a holy name or not?

 

> This will be my final post in this thread. I have

> posted these

> questions as I am still trying to understand all

> these with my

> limited intellegence and resources. As just like

> Hinduism there are

> other members of other relegions and faith too on

> this list. Maybe

> some day as you quote the Gita, you will also be

> able to decipher the

> mysteries that exist in the Kabbalah, the Bible, the

> Koran and the

> other holy books.

 

I would have, till somebody told me how

'apaurusheyatva' of Vedas makes it a primary pramANa.

And then as Krishna himself had said: yAvAnArthaM...

(2.46)

 

My final posting too, unless a reply is asked for.

 

Regards,

Nomadeva

 

 

 

 

 

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