Quoting Pt Rath on yudh.nodes To Pt Rath: Queries from CoVA

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Dear Mr Gaurango Das

 

1. Shri Rath's message in sjvc message# 1121 dt 21/11/01: "Dear

Nandan,

The nodes are the cause of KALI in this yuga and to say that they do

not

participate in warfare is preposterous. they are always fighting.

they are

born to do just that chasing after the moon - Rahu always pulling the

Moon

upwards and Ketu puling it down. Poor Moon - the curse of Ganesha

must bear.

All nodes and planets are treated equally in war especially look out

for

Mars & ketu and Jupiter and rahu..check the date when they crossed in

battle

recently ..Sept 11 2001!"

 

2. The above was in reference to some miscommunication on my part in

an earlier mail, & some further questions from me ref message 1131.

BUT ignore all that, as it would lead to more confusion (as what Pt

Rath said is as above, & what all I asked, etc in other mails

regarrding these is irrelevant).

 

3. Please refer to my recent mail just sent in response to Visti's

reply on this, before I recd your reply. I am attaching my

clarificatory query on this, which I asked in that mail to

Visti: "OK, from your reply, can I summarise that: a) both the nodes

eclipse both the luminaries if they conjoin (is there any orb, or

the normal same-sign definition alone holds) AND this is irrespective

of which has the higher/ lower longitude, as they dont need to

participate in yudh with the luminaries; & b) the nodes do NOT

eclipse the other planets, but do participate in yudh with them, with

the caveat that the degrees are to be counted from the BEGINNING of

the sign even for the nodes, & it is particularly virulent for Ra-Jp

& Ke-Ma yudhs"

 

NOW, could you or Visti or Pt Rath clarify the question in the last

para above, which is, I think, quite clearly enunciated on

this "nodes conjoining planets" thing, unlike my usual queries

Best wishes

 

Nandan

 

vedic astrology, "Gauranga Das" <gauranga@b...> wrote:

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Nandan and Visti,

>

> Namaste.

>

> 5. Nodes conjoin planet: I thought they simply eclipse any planet

they

> conjoin incl Sn/ Mn, but unclear fm Pt Rath, whether this is only

if they

> win the yudh with that plnt. Also, what is the orb for such yudh/

eclipse,

> for the nodes in particular

>

> Nononono, this is a silly misunderstanding. Tell me, have you

ever experienced a Jupiter-eclipse? I think not. The PanchaGrahas

have their own nodes, which we don't use in astrology. Some western

astrologers do use them thou.

>

> Dear Nandan, are you trying to sya that Sanjayji refers to Graha

yuddha between the nodes and soem toher planets? Are you sure? Please

point out the page in his books or extract from emails, as I can't

recall hearing anything similar from him or from the classics.

According to my understanding, there's three classes of the planets:

teh luminaries, the pancha-grahas and the chaya grahas (nodes) which

behave distinctly in many ways, including yuddha or planetary war.

The five grahas (Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn) may enter

into a war with each other, once within 1 degree of longitude.

According to Varahamihira, the planet with a higher latitude will win

the yuddha. On the other hand, no planet may enter into a war with

the Sun and the Moon. The Sun is the overlord of all the planets, so

he will burn them up if they are too close to him. The Moon is

Krishna, who is karuna-sindhu and dina-bandhu (the ocean of mercy and

the friend of the fallen) thus He will not fight with anyone, but be

everyone's friend. The nodes however are shadowy planets, so you

can't fight with them. But true, if they approach any planet, they

will eclipse it (i.e. cast a negative influence on it) because they

represent the law of karma, and no one can fight these laws. I have

given some info in another mail how their eclipse is especially

harmful to the luminaries, as they can overpower even them.

>

> Yours,

>

> Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> gauranga@b...

> Jyotish Remedies:

> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

> Phone:+36-309-140-839

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Nandan,

 

Namaste.

 

Well, maybe my understanding is imperfect, but I still think that the nodes

of course attack any planet, but in no way can they be defeated in a war

with any planet, because they are shadowy, hence untraceable. Therefore I do

not see the necessity to invent any way to decide who is the winner in a

battle between a node and another planet. Because they are so inimical

towards anyone, they cane bear even each other's company only by staying at

the two opposite ends of the zodiac all the time. Now my understanding is

that any palanet is harmed by the nodes (in case when their influence is

taken as malefic) in the proportion of the nodes' proximity (of course an

applying aspect would be more heinous than a separating one). There is only

one way to counteract their influence: an aspect of another planet may

relieve the attacked planet from the effect. The aspecting planet should be

Mercury in case of Rahu and Sun (I'm not sure about this one) in case of

Ketu.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

> 3. Please refer to my recent mail just sent in response to Visti's

> reply on this, before I recd your reply. I am attaching my

> clarificatory query on this, which I asked in that mail to

> Visti: "OK, from your reply, can I summarise that: a) both the nodes

> eclipse both the luminaries if they conjoin (is there any orb, or

> the normal same-sign definition alone holds) AND this is irrespective

> of which has the higher/ lower longitude, as they dont need to

> participate in yudh with the luminaries; & b) the nodes do NOT

> eclipse the other planets, but do participate in yudh with them, with

> the caveat that the degrees are to be counted from the BEGINNING of

> the sign even for the nodes, & it is particularly virulent for Ra-Jp

> & Ke-Ma yudhs"

>

> NOW, could you or Visti or Pt Rath clarify the question in the last

> para above, which is, I think, quite clearly enunciated on

> this "nodes conjoining planets" thing, unlike my usual queries

> Best wishes

>

> Nandan

>

> vedic astrology, "Gauranga Das" <gauranga@b...> wrote:

> > JAYA JAGANNATHA!

> >

> > Dear Nandan and Visti,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > 5. Nodes conjoin planet: I thought they simply eclipse any planet

> they

> > conjoin incl Sn/ Mn, but unclear fm Pt Rath, whether this is only

> if they

> > win the yudh with that plnt. Also, what is the orb for such yudh/

> eclipse,

> > for the nodes in particular

> >

> > Nononono, this is a silly misunderstanding. Tell me, have you

> ever experienced a Jupiter-eclipse? I think not. The PanchaGrahas

> have their own nodes, which we don't use in astrology. Some western

> astrologers do use them thou.

> >

> > Dear Nandan, are you trying to sya that Sanjayji refers to Graha

> yuddha between the nodes and soem toher planets? Are you sure? Please

> point out the page in his books or extract from emails, as I can't

> recall hearing anything similar from him or from the classics.

> According to my understanding, there's three classes of the planets:

> teh luminaries, the pancha-grahas and the chaya grahas (nodes) which

> behave distinctly in many ways, including yuddha or planetary war.

> The five grahas (Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn) may enter

> into a war with each other, once within 1 degree of longitude.

> According to Varahamihira, the planet with a higher latitude will win

> the yuddha. On the other hand, no planet may enter into a war with

> the Sun and the Moon. The Sun is the overlord of all the planets, so

> he will burn them up if they are too close to him. The Moon is

> Krishna, who is karuna-sindhu and dina-bandhu (the ocean of mercy and

> the friend of the fallen) thus He will not fight with anyone, but be

> everyone's friend. The nodes however are shadowy planets, so you

> can't fight with them. But true, if they approach any planet, they

> will eclipse it (i.e. cast a negative influence on it) because they

> represent the law of karma, and no one can fight these laws. I have

> given some info in another mail how their eclipse is especially

> harmful to the luminaries, as they can overpower even them.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> > gauranga@b...

> > Jyotish Remedies:

> > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

> > Phone:+36-309-140-839

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

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>

 

 

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Dear Gauranga!

 

I beg to differ on the issue on whether Nodes can be defeated. While talking

with Gurudev on one horoscope, I found him mentioning that Rahu was defeated

by Sun, even though he was the Atmakaraka (Rahu) and hence Sun is still

stronger in that Aditya Chandal Yoga.

 

However to some extent I do agree with you that even though Rahu is

defeated, the mere proximity of Rahu eclipses Sun and will show its colour

whether it time would come during dasa etc.

 

Why you need Sun's influence to remove the blemish of Ketu? Ketu is not that

malefic as Rahu! In fact it is a boon in diaguise.

 

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

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"Gauranga Das" <gauranga

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:21 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Quoting Pt Rath on yudh.nodes Re: To Pt Rath:

Queries from CoVA

 

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Nandan,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Well, maybe my understanding is imperfect, but I still think that the

nodes

> of course attack any planet, but in no way can they be defeated in a war

> with any planet, because they are shadowy, hence untraceable. Therefore I

do

> not see the necessity to invent any way to decide who is the winner in a

> battle between a node and another planet. Because they are so inimical

> towards anyone, they cane bear even each other's company only by staying

at

> the two opposite ends of the zodiac all the time. Now my understanding is

> that any palanet is harmed by the nodes (in case when their influence is

> taken as malefic) in the proportion of the nodes' proximity (of course an

> applying aspect would be more heinous than a separating one). There is

only

> one way to counteract their influence: an aspect of another planet may

> relieve the attacked planet from the effect. The aspecting planet should

be

> Mercury in case of Rahu and Sun (I'm not sure about this one) in case of

> Ketu.

>

> Yours,

>

> Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> gauranga

> Jyotish Remedies:

> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

> Phone:+36-309-140-839

>

>

> > 3. Please refer to my recent mail just sent in response to Visti's

> > reply on this, before I recd your reply. I am attaching my

> > clarificatory query on this, which I asked in that mail to

> > Visti: "OK, from your reply, can I summarise that: a) both the nodes

> > eclipse both the luminaries if they conjoin (is there any orb, or

> > the normal same-sign definition alone holds) AND this is irrespective

> > of which has the higher/ lower longitude, as they dont need to

> > participate in yudh with the luminaries; & b) the nodes do NOT

> > eclipse the other planets, but do participate in yudh with them, with

> > the caveat that the degrees are to be counted from the BEGINNING of

> > the sign even for the nodes, & it is particularly virulent for Ra-Jp

> > & Ke-Ma yudhs"

> >

> > NOW, could you or Visti or Pt Rath clarify the question in the last

> > para above, which is, I think, quite clearly enunciated on

> > this "nodes conjoining planets" thing, unlike my usual queries

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Nandan

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Gauranga Das" <gauranga@b...> wrote:

> > > JAYA JAGANNATHA!

> > >

> > > Dear Nandan and Visti,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > 5. Nodes conjoin planet: I thought they simply eclipse any planet

> > they

> > > conjoin incl Sn/ Mn, but unclear fm Pt Rath, whether this is only

> > if they

> > > win the yudh with that plnt. Also, what is the orb for such yudh/

> > eclipse,

> > > for the nodes in particular

> > >

> > > Nononono, this is a silly misunderstanding. Tell me, have you

> > ever experienced a Jupiter-eclipse? I think not. The PanchaGrahas

> > have their own nodes, which we don't use in astrology. Some western

> > astrologers do use them thou.

> > >

> > > Dear Nandan, are you trying to sya that Sanjayji refers to Graha

> > yuddha between the nodes and soem toher planets? Are you sure? Please

> > point out the page in his books or extract from emails, as I can't

> > recall hearing anything similar from him or from the classics.

> > According to my understanding, there's three classes of the planets:

> > teh luminaries, the pancha-grahas and the chaya grahas (nodes) which

> > behave distinctly in many ways, including yuddha or planetary war.

> > The five grahas (Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn) may enter

> > into a war with each other, once within 1 degree of longitude.

> > According to Varahamihira, the planet with a higher latitude will win

> > the yuddha. On the other hand, no planet may enter into a war with

> > the Sun and the Moon. The Sun is the overlord of all the planets, so

> > he will burn them up if they are too close to him. The Moon is

> > Krishna, who is karuna-sindhu and dina-bandhu (the ocean of mercy and

> > the friend of the fallen) thus He will not fight with anyone, but be

> > everyone's friend. The nodes however are shadowy planets, so you

> > can't fight with them. But true, if they approach any planet, they

> > will eclipse it (i.e. cast a negative influence on it) because they

> > represent the law of karma, and no one can fight these laws. I have

> > given some info in another mail how their eclipse is especially

> > harmful to the luminaries, as they can overpower even them.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > >

> > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> > > gauranga@b...

> > > Jyotish Remedies:

> > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

> > > Phone:+36-309-140-839

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

>

>

> _______

>

> Get your free @ address at

>

>

>

>

>

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> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

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