Dear Sanjay guruji-answers to your questions

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Dear Sanjay guru

 

 

In all my humility i must accept that you are a great guru. Your

analysis was quite brilliant but i will make a small

attempt to answer your questions

(in case you have missed out my earlier mail i am reproducing the

same message.)

 

 

(1) Is Krishna different from Ram?

then why are thier charts different? If they are

different, then Who is nobler???

 

Ans) I am not going to get into a jyotishya trap by saying that both

were great and both were equally noble. My answer is simple,

Both had different purpose when they descended from their abode to

bhoomi.

Ram was born in treta yuga where evil was much lesser than when

krishna was born. Krishna was born in dwapara yuga and the

circumstances in which both had to be born were absolutely different.

Ram had to fight only the demons and their friends. He was not living

in an age when the ideals and morals of people were so low that he

had to fight (them).Rama was born exactly on the stroke of afternoon

12 o clock.

Krishna had to be born in a jail exactly at midnight 12 o clock.

Rama did not have to be part of as many leelas as krishna had to.

Whole life krishna had to fight with men, women, beasts, demons and

what not. Thus bhagavan had to be born in different circumstances in

different ages. They had to employ different techniques to overcome

the evil.

 

 

 

GURU) Your statement that He was the purest of souls is also

incorrect technically as this implies that He is being compared to

other mortal souls like you and I. Sri Rama has a very large portion

of Paramatmamsa and cannot be said to be a simple soul. Terms like

noble and

pure are relative and cannot be used to describe the absolute.

They give a

relative picture like one glass of water is purer than another but

that which is beyond perception cannot be classified. In fact the

only way to understand the leela is to study the Arudha as this

indicates as to why They did what They did.

 

partha) Aren't pure and noble absolute terms. I am not a pundit in

english literature , nor is the language profound enough to describe

parmatama. What did shankara say, he mentioned that god is you and

you are god. It is you that has to realise that you are not separate

from him. I do not understand why are we different from him. Please

do not use theroy of relativity here.

 

 

 

Rath: Ideals are seen from the Lagna or Satya peetha. We all stand

by our

> own ideals.

 

partha) When i say ideals for god himself i do not mean to say that

he had some ideas and he stuck to it. i did not mean that he had to

fight for his convctions. Why have you interpreted my statement like

that. I simply said that he was born in this world to restore the

world order. He has to show the world the right way which is indeed

the right way. What is right for people like us has to be judged from

the paramatma's actions. Rama is the guide. He shows us the right

way. In the process he follows dharma and methodolgy to cleanse the

system of its daridra of ideals. Thus rama and krishna show us the

path.

 

(1) When the charts of Sri Rama and Sri Lakshman are the same, why

was Rama

the eldest and Lakshman the third born? Similarly, why was Rama's

wife the

eldest and Lakshman's wife the third child? Also, why did Rama's

spouse

accompany Him while Laxman's did not do so during their period in the

jungles.

 

ans) Rama had a different chart from lakshmana because the god has to

teach people different things in different ways. Ram was the part of

bhagvan who had to kill demons. lakshmana was the part of bhagvan who

had to accompany him in his travails. Hanuman was the part of bhagvan

who was the instrument in setting up the whole mechanism. like wise

we can explain for bharatha also. Since mortals cannot understand a

person doing contrarion things, bhagavan has helped valmiki create an

epic which has different people of the same bhagvan for the common

folk to understand. for me ram and lakshman are one and the same. But

they had different purposes and techniques because common folk cannot

understand things which are beyond them. Thus different incarnations

of the same bhagvan make us understand him completely.

 

 

 

 

(2) When the charts of Rama & Lakshman are the same, why is it that

Rama had so many faithful followers and not Lakshman? what star

indicates Vibheeshana the greatest Rama Bhakta (I think)? It is

easier to stay among saints and recite the name of Rama than to be

in the city of demons and do so; it is easier to side by your kith

and kin and support Rama than to become inimical to your whole clan

and do so. In that sense, the test for Vibheeshana was greater

than that for Hanuman.

 

ans) Look who is comparing now. My dear learned guru, why are you

comparing the bhakthi of vibheeshana and hanuman.

Bhagvan is bhagvan for everyone. Even for the poor maid and the bird

that flies non-chalantly in the skies. Why are you saying the testing

of bhakthi for vibheeshana, i am surpirsed.

 

(3) What are the indications that Rama is the highest possible

manifestation

i HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE ANSWERES WHICH I FELT COULD GIVE ME MORE

UNDERSTANDING OF GOD. rAMA IS PARMATMA, RAMA IS PARAMANANDA, RAMA IS

ALL AND ALL IS RAMA. RAMAJAPAM GIVES MOKSHA.

jAI SHREE RAM

 

 

REGARDS

V.PARTHA SARATHY

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Both are one & the same >>>Maha Vishnu <<<

you are learned one & your question is like asking >>> let me give a example

>>>Please take a photograph now

& after 30 years take a photograph of yours >>>your question says

.......definetly both photographs are yours but because of time

it may not be similar.......In astrology terms also I can answer........partvinu

is correct ....Maha lakshmi sita smiled while putting garland around Lord Rama's

marriage >>>Diffrent people took it in diffrent terms .....thats's the reason a

idiom in telugu navvu nalugu vidhala chatu.

Supreme lord had to bend for the Garland & Maha Rishi vyasya took it in diffrent

trems & Vishwamitra took in diffreent terms

As the yugas followed >>>Height of person became decreasing .......Lord Rama is

called Ajanubhahum & arvindalaya taksham ramam..

Dwaparayuga Lord Krishna >>>Height of Krihsna was less comparatevly & evil

became more....to save guard Mhapurushas come in time like

Ramamnamaharishi,Vivekanananda,rama Krishna parama Hamsa,Sankara

Charya,Chaitanya Maha Prabho...

But Avathara Maha Vishnu Incarinates when everyting is out of control ..............

Dwapara Yuga evil was much rampant hence lord took avatar.......Lord Krishna.......

Lord Rama & lakshmna were diffrent ..........Bharatha & lakshmana loved lord

Rama & there was difffrences between Bharatha & Lakshmana Lord Rama is Maha

Vishnu & Lakshmana is Adhiseshu ...

Lord Balarama is Adhiseshu & Lord Kirshna is Maha Vishnu...

Sanjayji post all the qureis in astrology terms .....I shall try my best to answer......

 

REG >>> BHAKTI OF VIBHISHAN & HUNUMAN RAVANA ASKS HANUMNA TO BE KILLED

......AFTER CAPTIVITTY BY BHARAMASTRA BY INDRAJIT ...HANUMAN HAS NO AFFTECT

BECAUSE OF BHRAMASTRA BOON GIVEN BY PARAMPITA BRAMHA.....RAVANA ASKS HANUMAN WHO ARE YOU ???

ANSWER WOULD BE >>>DASOHAM KAUSALANDRASYA ...I AM SERVANT OF LORD

RAMA......VIBHISHANA TELLS RAVANA THAT A DUTA SHOULD NOT BE KILLED BUT MUST BE

LEFT FREE......BOTH MEET TOGETHER SEPERATELY BEFORE DEPARTING >>>VIBHISHANA

TELLS HANUMAN .......I AM STATE IS LIKE A TOUNGE BTW TEETHS .....HANUMAN KNOWS

ABOUT

THE SATHVIK NATURE OF VIBHISHANA & SMILES & TELLS DO NOT WORRY IT IS THE TEETH

WHICH IS GOING TO FALL FIRST..

TOUNGE SHALL BE FREE....

BEST REGARDS

SRINAGESH

 

 

partvinu5 <partvinu5 > wrote

Dear Sanjay guruIn all my humility i must accept that you are a great guru. Your

analysis was quite brilliant but i will make a small attempt to answer your

questions(in case you have missed out my earlier mail i am reproducing the same

message.)(1) Is Krishna different from Ram?then why are thier charts different?

If they aredifferent, then Who is nobler??? Ans) I am not going to get into a

jyotishya trap by saying that both were great and both were equally noble. My

answer is simple,Both had different purpose when they descended from their

abode to bhoomi.Ram was born in treta yuga where evil was much lesser than when

krishna was born. Krishna was born in dwapara yuga and the circumstances in

which both had to be born were absolutely different.Ram had to fight only the

demons and their friends. He was not living in an age when the ideals and

morals of people were so low that he had to fight (them).Rama was born exactly

on the stroke of afternoon 12 o clock.Krishna had to be born in a jail exactly

at midnight 12 o clock. Rama did not have to be part of as many leelas as

krishna had to. Whole life krishna had to fight with men, women, beasts, demons

and what not. Thus bhagavan had to be born in different circumstances in

different ages. They had to employ different techniques to overcome the

evil.GURU) Your statement that He was the purest of souls is alsoincorrect

technically as this implies that He is being compared to other mortal souls

like you and I. Sri Rama has a very large portion of Paramatmamsa and cannot be

said to be a simple soul. Terms like noble andpure are relative and cannot be

used to describe the absolute. They give arelative picture like one glass of

water is purer than another but that which is beyond perception cannot be

classified. In fact the only way to understand the leela is to study the Arudha

as this indicates as to why They did what They did.partha) Aren't pure and noble

absolute terms. I am not a pundit in english literature , nor is the language

profound enough to describe parmatama. What did shankara say, he mentioned that

god is you and you are god. It is you that has to realise that you are not

separate from him. I do not understand why are we different from him. Please do

not use theroy of relativity here.Rath: Ideals are seen from the Lagna or Satya

peetha. We all stand by our> own ideals.partha) When i say ideals for god

himself i do not mean to say that he had some ideas and he stuck to it. i did

not mean that he had to fight for his convctions. Why have you interpreted my

statement like that. I simply said that he was born in this world to restore

the world order. He has to show the world the right way which is indeed the

right way. What is right for people like us has to be judged from the

paramatma's actions. Rama is the guide. He shows us the right way. In the

process he follows dharma and methodolgy to cleanse the system of its daridra

of ideals. Thus rama and krishna show us the path.(1) When the charts of Sri

Rama and Sri Lakshman are the same, why was Ramathe eldest and Lakshman the

third born? Similarly, why was Rama's wife theeldest and Lakshman's wife the

third child? Also, why did Rama's spouseaccompany Him while Laxman's did not do

so during their period in thejungles.ans) Rama had a different chart from

lakshmana because the god has to teach people different things in different

ways. Ram was the part of bhagvan who had to kill demons. lakshmana was the

part of bhagvan who had to accompany him in his travails. Hanuman was the part

of bhagvan who was the instrument in setting up the whole mechanism. like wise

we can explain for bharatha also. Since mortals cannot understand a person

doing contrarion things, bhagavan has helped valmiki create an epic which has

different people of the same bhagvan for the common folk to understand. for me

ram and lakshman are one and the same. But they had different purposes and

techniques because common folk cannot understand things which are beyond them.

Thus different incarnations of the same bhagvan make us understand him

completely.(2) When the charts of Rama & Lakshman are the same, why is it that

Rama had so many faithful followers and not Lakshman? what star indicates

Vibheeshana the greatest Rama Bhakta (I think)? It is easier to stay among

saints and recite the name of Rama than to be in the city of demons and do so;

it is easier to side by your kith and kin and support Rama than to become

inimical to your whole clan and do so. In that sense, the test for Vibheeshana

was greater than that for Hanuman.ans) Look who is comparing now. My dear

learned guru, why are you comparing the bhakthi of vibheeshana and

hanuman.Bhagvan is bhagvan for everyone. Even for the poor maid and the bird

that flies non-chalantly in the skies. Why are you saying the testing of

bhakthi for vibheeshana, i am surpirsed.(3) What are the indications that Rama

is the highest possible manifestationi HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE ANSWERES WHICH I

FELT COULD GIVE ME MORE UNDERSTANDING OF GOD. rAMA IS PARMATMA, RAMA IS

PARAMANANDA, RAMA IS ALL AND ALL IS RAMA. RAMAJAPAM GIVES MOKSHA. jAI SHREE

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GURU) Your statement that He was the purest of souls is alsoincorrect

technically as this implies that He is being compared to other mortal souls

like you and I. Sri Rama has a very large portion of Paramatmamsa and cannot be

said to be a simple soul. Terms like noble andpure are relative and cannot be

used to describe the absolute. They give arelative picture like one glass of

water is purer than another but that which is beyond perception cannot be

classified. In fact the only way to understand the leela is to study the Arudha

as this indicates as to why They did what They did.partha) Aren't pure and noble

absolute terms. I am not a pundit in english literature , nor is the language

profound enough to describe parmatama. What did shankara say, he mentioned that

god is you and you are god. It is you that has to realise that you are not

separate from him. I do not understand why are we different from him. Please do

not use theroy of relativity here.RATH; NO, PURE AND NOBLE ARE NOT ABSOLUTE

TERMS. TAKE THE WORD "PURE" IN PURE WATER. WE CAN SAY THAT THE WATER FROM THE

PURITAS FILTER IS PURE IMPLYING THAT IT IS FIT FOR DRINKING/HUMAN CONSUMPTION,

BUT THE WATER STILL CONTAINS A LOT OF BACTERIA ETC. AMONG THE RIVERS OF THE

WORLD, THE GANGES IS THE ONLY RIVER WHOSE WATER NEAR THE SOURSE IS 100%

BACTERIA FREE AND IS TOTALLY PURE IN THE SENSE THAT IT CAN BE PRESERVED FOR

YEARS TOGETHER AND DRUNK EVEN AFTER THAT. WATER FROM ALL OTHER RIVERS

DECOMPOSES SOONER OR LATER. THUS PURE IS A RELATIVE TERM.

YOU SPEAK OF ADVAITA ALONE BUT YOU MUST ALSO READ DWAITA..SHANKARACHARYA ALSO

WROTE THE BHAGAVAT GITA AND THE VAISHNAVA TRADITION ACCEPTS THAT WE ARE NOT

DIFFERENT FROM GOD, BUT WE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT FROM GOD LIKE TWO PARROTS SITTING

ON THE BRANCH THE ATMA AND PARAMATMA SIT IN THE HEART. THEY ARE SIMILAR YET

DIFFERENT.

DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THEORY OF RELATIVITY. I WONDER IF YOU HAVE STUDIED IT. IN ANY

CASE IF YOU HAVE IT WILL ONLY HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND BHAGAVAN BETTER. AFTER ALL,

KNOWLEDGE IS THE ONLY MEANS TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW HIM. I AGREE THAT BHAKTI IS

THE BEST MEANS TO REACH HIM.(1) When the charts of Sri Rama and Sri Lakshman

are the same, why was Ramathe eldest and Lakshman the third born? Similarly,

why was Rama's wife theeldest and Lakshman's wife the third child? Also, why

did Rama's spouseaccompany Him while Laxman's did not do so during their period

in thejungles.ans) Rama had a different chart from lakshmana because the god has

to teach people different things in different ways. Ram was the part of bhagvan

who had to kill demons. lakshmana was the part of bhagvan who had to accompany

him in his travails. Hanuman was the part of bhagvan who was the instrument in

setting up the whole mechanism. like wise we can explain for bharatha also.

Since mortals cannot understand a person doing contrarion things, bhagavan has

helped valmiki create an epic which has different people of the same bhagvan

for the common folk to understand. for me ram and lakshman are one and the

same. But they had different purposes and techniques because common folk cannot

understand things which are beyond them. Thus different incarnations of the same

bhagvan make us understand him completely.RATH: ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT LAKSHMAN

WAS ALSO AN AVATAR OF VISHNU? I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT THING ABOUT REQUIREMENT FOR

SIMPLE PEOPLE AND LEELA . WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR CHARTS? TRY TO

GIVE ME AN ANSWER FROM THE CHARTS. IF YOU DO NOT GIVE AN ANSWER BASED ON

JYOTISH, I WILL NOT WRITE AGAIN ON THIS.(2) When the charts of Rama & Lakshman

are the same, why is it that Rama had so many faithful followers and not

Lakshman? what star indicates Vibheeshana the greatest Rama Bhakta (I think)?

It is easier to stay among saints and recite the name of Rama than to be in the

city of demons and do so; it is easier to side by your kith and kin and support

Rama than to become inimical to your whole clan and do so. In that sense, the

test for Vibheeshana was greater than that for Hanuman.ans) Look who is

comparing now. My dear learned guru, why are you comparing the bhakthi of

vibheeshana and hanuman.Bhagvan is bhagvan for everyone. Even for the poor maid

and the bird that flies non-chalantly in the skies. Why are you saying the

testing of bhakthi for vibheeshana, i am surpirsed.RATH: IT IS THROUGH

COMPARISION THAT WE IMPROVE. TO IMPROVE WE MUST REALISE THAT THERE ARE THOSE

WHO ARE BETTER AND MUST LEARN TO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS. IF I WERE YOUR

GURU, WHICH I AM NOT, I WOULD MAKE YOU COMPARE THE LATEST AFGHAN HAPPENINGS

WITH RAMAYANA'S EVENTS..THAT WAY ALONE CAN THEMIND GRAPPLE WITH TOUGH

QUESTIONS.

BHAGAVAN IS BHAGAVAN FOR EVERYONE, BUT WE ALL HAVE OUR SHARE OF TESTS. SUDAMA

FAILED TO DELIVER THE FOOD TO KRISHNA AND GOBBLED IT..FAILED THE TEST AND HAD

POVERTY FOR MANY YEARS. ANYWAY THIS IS IRRELEVANT TO THE SUBJECT SO LET US

LEAVE IT.

(3) What are the indications that Rama is the highest possible manifestationi

HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE ANSWERES WHICH I FELT COULD GIVE ME MORE UNDERSTANDING OF

GOD. rAMA IS PARMATMA, RAMA IS PARAMANANDA, RAMA IS ALL AND ALL IS RAMA.

RAMAJAPAM GIVES MOKSHA. jAI SHREE RAMRATH: THIS IS AN ASTROLOGICAL QUESTION.

THE ANSWER GIVEN IS NOT ASTROLOGY. NICE TO READ JAI SHREE RAM. HERE THE

QUESTION IS NOT OF UNDERSTANDING GOD AS THIS IS A JYOTISH FORUM. IT IS A SIMPLE

QUESTION OF UNDERSTANDING ASTROLOGY. ALL THAT YOU SAID I ALREADY KNOW.

'SHREE RAM JAYA RAM JAYA JAYA RAM'....

 

FOR CONVENIENCE I AM REPEATING THE QUESTIONS

(a) when the charts of both Rama and Laxman were exactly similar, why the

difference of being eldest and third as well as so many other differences like

Rama's spouse acompanying Him to the jungles of Orissa (My Kalinga is still a

jungle after so many years - sad) whereas Laxman's spouse was in the toilet?

(b) Why did the Maharishi's always say that Bharat was the ideal of Kingship

while they said that Rama was the ideal of Dharma?

© why does Parasara attribute the Sun as signifying Rama at its highest glory

and Moon at its highest glory as Krishna?

 

AND I EXPECT ONLY JYOTISH.