Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Dear Sanjay guru In all my humility i must accept that you are a great guru. Your analysis was quite technical and brilliant but i will make a small attempt to answer your questions (1) Is Krishna different from Ram? then why are thier charts different? If they are different, then Who is nobler??? Ans) I am not going to get into a jyotishya trap by saying that both were great and both were equally noble. My answer is simple, Both had different purpose when they descended from their abode to bhoomi. Ram was born in treta yuga where evil was much lesser than when krishna was born. Krishna was born in dwapara yuga and the circumstances in which both had to be born were absolutely different. Ram had to fight only the demons and their friends. He was not living in an age when the ideals and morals of people were so low that he had to fight (them).Rama was born exactly on the stroke of afternoon 12 o clock. Krishna had to be born in a jail exactly at midnight 12 o clock. Rama did not have to be part of as many leelas as krishna had to. Whole life krishna had to fight with men, women, beasts, demons and what not. Thus bhagavan had to be born in different circumstances in different ages. They had to employ different techniques to overcome the evil. GURU) Your statement that He was the purest of souls is also incorrect technically as this implies that He is being compared to other mortal souls like you and I. Sri Rama has a very large portion of Paramatmamsa and cannot be said to be a simple soul. Terms like noble and pure are relative and cannot be used to describe the absolute. They give a relative picture like one glass of water is purer than another but that which is beyond perception cannot be classified. In fact the only way to understand the leela is to study the Arudha as this indicates as to why They did what They did. partha) Aren't pure and noble absolute terms. I am not a pundit in english literature , nor is the language profound enough to describe parmatama. What did shankara say, he mentioned that god is you and you are god. It is you that has to realise that you are not separate from him. I do not understand why are we different from him. Please do not use theroy of relativity here. Rath: Ideals are seen from the Lagna or Satya peetha. We all stand by our > own ideals. partha) When i say ideals for god himself i do not mean to say that he had some ideas and he stuck to it. i did not mean that he had to fight for his convctions. Why have you interpreted my statement like that. I simply said that he was born in this world to restore the world order. He has to show the world the right way which is indeed the right way. What is right for people like us has to be judged from the paramatma's actions. Rama is the guide. He shows us the right way. In the process he follows dharma and methodolgy to cleanse the system of its daridra of ideals. Thus rama and krishna show us the path. (1) When the charts of Sri Rama and Sri Lakshman are the same, why was Rama the eldest and Lakshman the third born? Similarly, why was Rama's wife the eldest and Lakshman's wife the third child? Also, why did Rama's spouse accompany Him while Laxman's did not do so during their period in the jungles. ans) Rama had a different chart from lakshmana because the god has to teach people different things in different ways. Ram was the part of bhagvan who had to kill demons. lakshmana was the part of bhagvan who had to accompany him in his travails. Hanuman was the part of bhagvan who was the instrument in setting up the whole mechanism. like wise we can explain for bharatha also. Since mortals cannot understand a person doing contrarion things, bhagavan has helped valmiki create an epic which has different people of the same bhagvan for the common folk to understand. for me ram and lakshman are one and the same. But they had different purposes and techniques because common folk cannot understand things which are beyond them. Thus different incarnations of the same bhagvan make us understand him completely. (2) When the charts of Rama & Lakshman are the same, why is it that Rama had so many faithful followers and not Lakshman? what star indicates Vibheeshana the greatest Rama Bhakta (I think)? It is easier to stay among saints and recite the name of Rama than to be in the city of demons and do so; it is easier to side by your kith and kin and support Rama than to become inimical to your whole clan and do so. In that sense, the test for Vibheeshana was greater than that for Hanuman. ans) Look who is comparing now. My dear learned guru, why are you comparing the bhakthi of vibheeshana and hanuman. Bhagvan is bhagvan for everyone. Even for the poor maid and the bird that flies non-chalantly in the skies. Why are you saying the testing of bhakthi for vibheeshana, i am surpirsed. (3) What are the indications that Rama is the highest possible manifestation i HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE ANSWERES WHICH I FELT COULD GIVE ME MORE UNDERSTANDING OF GOD. rAMA IS PARMATMA, RAMA IS PARAMANANDA, RAMA IS ALL AND ALL IS RAMA. RAMAJAPAM GIVES MOKSHA. jAI SHREE RAM REGARDS V.PARTHA SARATHY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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