Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Hello All, As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines the nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna indicates how the native himself is perceived by others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in the same house. Can we say in this case that native & spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature or any other qualities. Please comment. Thanks Once again. Regards Chandru Vasandani ____ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings..ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! ------------------------------- Dear Chandru, When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This is because the two spend so much time together, in such a case, and are almost imseperable. Best wishes, Visti. --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani wrote: > Hello All, > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > the > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > & > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > or > any other qualities. Please comment. > > Thanks Once again. > > Regards > > Chandru Vasandani > > > ____ > > Send your holiday cheer with > http://greetings..ca > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Dear Visti, I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my current partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my first marriage. Best regards, Nimmi - "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream <vedic astrology> Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > ------------------------------- > Dear Chandru, > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > is because the two spend so much time together, in > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani > wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > the > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > & > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > or > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > Regards > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > ____ > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Dear Nimmi! Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first marriage, the 2nd UL will be in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage is shown by the 1st UL whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so on.... Regards Sarajit - "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660 <vedic astrology> Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > Dear Visti, > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my current > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my first > marriage. > > Best regards, > > Nimmi > - > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream > <vedic astrology> > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > ------------------------------- > > Dear Chandru, > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > > is because the two spend so much time together, in > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani > > wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > > the > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > > & > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > > or > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 Dear Sarajit, My AL and 1st UL are together in Pisces. The lord of the first UL is in the 12th house, perhaps indicating the end of the first marriage. This is also the ruler of the 7th house in Rasi and Navamsa. We were almost constantly separated for about 5 years due to both our careers and studies. But it is true that we were perceived as being very close though not at all as alike. We are still close friends. The 8th from UL falls on my 2nd husband's ascendant which also contains A7. There is a sashtashtaka relationship with my AL. However, we are pretty much together a lot more. But people may possibly perceive us as a mismatch. Aren't the Arudhas related to perceptions rather than actuality? In this sense it may be correct. If I look at the 7th house and lord, then the 7th ruler is in the 12th, the 2nd ruler is in the 8th. So there may be separation from the 1st partner and the possibility that the 2nd may predecease me. Regards, Nimmi - "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp <vedic astrology> Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:51 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > Dear Nimmi! > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first marriage, the 2nd UL will be > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage is shown by the 1st UL > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so on.... > > Regards > Sarajit > > > > - > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660 > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my current > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my first > > marriage. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nimmi > > - > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream > > <vedic astrology> > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Chandru, > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > > > is because the two spend so much time together, in > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani > > > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > > > the > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > > > & > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > > > or > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Nimmi! Yup! I knew that the UL2 should be in 8th from AL as the UL1 is in with the AL, this could show that the earlier marriage was much more happier that the 2nd one. The probable reason why we judge arudhas when we try to prognosticate the relationship between two persons is that, the differences arise out of perception only. We know that there is no difference as such between the souls as all the same and part of the paramatma, having the same nature (beyond the realm of maya). The way we see others is purely based on out perception and hence the arudhas gain importance. We say that when the UL is in the 12th from AL, the native will reject outrightly his/ her spouse and I have seen this in many horoscopes. The same is true with shastastaka placement of AL and UL. However, if they had the final say, then your case wouldn't have happened where you have a better relationship with your second partner than the first one. I presume there are many more indications which modify the result. Mostly see the influence of Jupiter on the 2nd from the UL to see the duration of the relationship. Moreoever, it is highly likely that when the spouse's Lagna falls in the trine to the native's UL or in the sign where the UL lord is placed or 7th from the UL, the chances of harmony between the native and the spouse increase. I would never disregard the disposition of the 7th house itself which shows the marital harmony. From the information I have I would rather think that even if you both have some clashes they are toned down by influences of benefics like Jupiter and Sun (need to check) on the 2nd of UL. Please send me your chart to my personal mail id. Regards Sarajit - "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660 <vedic astrology> Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > Dear Sarajit, > > My AL and 1st UL are together in Pisces. The lord of the first UL is in the > 12th house, perhaps indicating the end of the first marriage. This is also > the ruler of the 7th house in Rasi and Navamsa. We were almost constantly > separated for about 5 years due to both our careers and studies. But it is > true that we were perceived as being very close though not at all as alike. > We are still close friends. > > The 8th from UL falls on my 2nd husband's ascendant which also contains A7. > There is a sashtashtaka relationship with my AL. However, we are pretty much > together a lot more. But people may possibly perceive us as a mismatch. > > Aren't the Arudhas related to perceptions rather than actuality? In this > sense it may be correct. If I look at the 7th house and lord, then the 7th > ruler is in the 12th, the 2nd ruler is in the 8th. So there may be > separation from the 1st partner and the possibility that the 2nd may > predecease me. > > Regards, > > Nimmi > > > - > "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:51 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > Dear Nimmi! > > > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first marriage, the 2nd UL will be > > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage is shown by the 1st UL > > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so on.... > > > > Regards > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > - > > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660 > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my > current > > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my first > > > marriage. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Nimmi > > > - > > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Dear Chandru, > > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > > > > is because the two spend so much time together, in > > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > > > > the > > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > > > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > > > > & > > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > > > > or > > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 Dear Sarajit&Nimmi, Sorry for the intrusion in your discussion,but i got interested because i have my UL in 12th from AL.& A7 in 8th from AL.My wife's Lagna is in 7th from my UL & hence 6th from my AL..Mars aspects my UL(graha drishti) & jupiter aspects AL(Both graha& rasi drishti).We have been married 20 years. The first few years marriage was on the rocks & we nearly divorced. However, things improved gradually & now we are very happy together.How do you see this in view of the positions of positions of AL,UL,&A7? Best regards, Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 ***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Fayyaz Men with UL in 12th from AL are MCP's and tend to ignore their spouses and women with that combination are WW's (Wild witches) who will ignore their spouses and make him bow to everything they want. Break of marriage is seen from second from UL and that happens whenever a malefic influence comes on the AL. Thus a break in marriage is bad for your image and will destroy your Arudha. Thus inspite of a lot of battle, the marriage remained..thank God for that. Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat*** - Fktareen (AT) aol (DOT) com vedic astrology Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:50 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ Dear Sarajit&Nimmi,Sorry for the intrusion in your discussion,but i got interested because i have my UL in 12th from AL.& A7 in 8th from AL.My wife's Lagna is in 7th from my UL & hence 6th from my AL..Mars aspects my UL(graha drishti) & jupiter aspects AL(Both graha& rasi drishti).We have been married 20 years. The first few years marriage was on the rocks & we nearly divorced. However, things improved gradually & now we are very happy together.How do you see this in view of the positions of positions of AL,UL,&A7?Best regards,Fayyaz------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->FREE COLLEGE MONEYCLICK HERE to search600,000 scholarships!http://us.click./G_L2TD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/.8XolB/TM---~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Many thanks for sparing your precious time to enlighten not only me but many others on the list who would benefit by your exposition.i am deeply obliged by your intercession. Best regards, Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 Dear Sanjay and List, What is meant by MCP? Best Regards, Venkat > Men with UL in 12th from AL are MCP's and tend to ignore their > spouses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2001 Report Share Posted December 24, 2001 Dear Sarajit, Thanks for your views.The lord of both UL &AL is Saturn placed in 7th from UL and 6th from AL. Saturn is in Cancer(which is lagna of wife) in its own Nakshatra, aspected by Rahu, ketu,& venus( rashi drishti ) How do you see this now? Regards, Fayyaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2001 Report Share Posted December 24, 2001 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Fayyaz! As you correctly pointed out the relationship was not that sweet as you expected it to be. Even then you are still together see the placement of 2nd lord from UL in a better place and some benefic influence therein. The final say in marital breakup is 2nd from UL as then only the maya of marriage is brocken... i.e., the world perceive the differences among you... Placement of A7 from AL is seen for physical relationshop. If A7 is in dusthana then the person won't be having much interest in such relationship however in such condition if the UL is in trine to AL, there would be harmonic relationship even though there is no physical relationship and so on... Regards Sarajit - <Fktareen <vedic astrology> Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:50 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > Dear Sarajit&Nimmi, > Sorry for the intrusion in your discussion,but i got interested because i > have my UL in 12th from AL.& A7 in 8th from AL.My wife's Lagna is in 7th from > my UL & hence 6th from my AL..Mars aspects my UL(graha drishti) & jupiter > aspects AL(Both graha& rasi drishti).We have been married 20 years. The first > few years marriage was on the rocks & we nearly divorced. However, things > improved gradually & now we are very happy together.How do you see this in > view of the positions of positions of AL,UL,&A7? > Best regards, > Fayyaz > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Dear Sarajit, Point well taken. What happens when the first relationship is long drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference on UL2 for the marriage we takes place subsequently with another? Also, what happens when two relationships exists side by side, one marital & the other extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction in these cases? Thanks - Prashanth vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > Dear Nimmi! > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first marriage, the 2nd UL will be > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage is shown by the 1st UL > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so on.... > > Regards > Sarajit > > > > - > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my current > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my first > > marriage. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nimmi > > - > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > > <vedic astrology> > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Chandru, > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > > > is because the two spend so much time together, in > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > > > the > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > > > & > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > > > or > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Dear Sarajit, Point well taken. What happens when the first relationship is long drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference on UL2 for the marriage we takes place subsequently with another? Also, what happens when two relationships exists side by side, one marital & the other extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction in these cases? Thanks - Prashanth vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > Dear Nimmi! > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first marriage, the 2nd UL will be > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage is shown by the 1st UL > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so on.... > > Regards > Sarajit > > > > - > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my current > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my first > > marriage. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Nimmi > > - > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > > <vedic astrology> > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Chandru, > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > > > is because the two spend so much time together, in > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > > > the > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > > > & > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > > > or > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Prashant! Not very easy to answer your query and multiple indications are to be seen to judge such issues.Some of the cases when the relationship is not long drawn we dont to to the next upapada for subsequent relationship. More can be known by analysing the kind of relationship that is shown by AL and UL and judge whether we go for the next UL when there is one more relationship.In many cases even if the marriage is solemnised however sustained for a very short time, we might not switch to the next UL. In such cases I depend on my intuition to guide me. I don't have a definite answer!!!! I depend on some more indications.... Regards Sarajit - "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology <vedic astrology> Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:34 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > Dear Sarajit, > > Point well taken. What happens when the first relationship is long > drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference on UL2 for the > marriage we takes place subsequently with another? Also, what happens > when two relationships exists side by side, one marital & the other > extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction in these cases? > Thanks - Prashanth > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > > Dear Nimmi! > > > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first marriage, the 2nd UL > will be > > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage is shown by the 1st > UL > > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so on.... > > > > Regards > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > - > > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is true that I and my > current > > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this was not true in my > first > > > marriage. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Nimmi > > > - > > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Dear Chandru, > > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the same house, > > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very alike. This > > > > is because the two spend so much time together, in > > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani <chandruvasandani> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) determines > > > > > the > > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas Arudha Lagna > > > > > indicates how the native himself is perceived by > > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & UL fall in > > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case that native > > > > > & > > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms of nature > > > > > or > > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! ---------------- Dear Prasanth, Point well taken. What happens when the first relationship is long drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference on UL2 for the marriage we takes place subsequently with another? First of all, the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna should have benefics, to show that the person has met another, before ending the first marriage. And yes, as long as theres a 2nd marriage, we look to the 8th from UL(UL2). The nodes in Navamsa ends the ammount of marriages.. Doesn't end ammount of relations thou. Ketu should associate with the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna, to make the person stop going to other men/women. Also, what happens when two relationships exists side by side, one marital & the other extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction in these cases? Many factors are to be considered, i.e. Saptamsa(for children out of marriage) and again 2nd from Navamsa lagna, should have benefics. An extra marital relation, usually strains the marriage. Rahu and/or Darapada associating with the 2nd from Upapada can cause extra marital relation. But theres alot to keep in mind in these cases, such as the persons libido(2nd from Navamsa lagna - See Jaimini's Upadesa). Some say that Gemini in or in the 2nd from Upapada, gives more than 1 spouse, i.e. multiple marriages. Again 7th & 2nd house in Rasi and Navamsa should be consulted. Not much is left to intuition, if you know where to look. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Dear Sarajit, Thanks. The reason I asked the earlier question was different. I have seen Visti's note on results of AL/UL in the same house. Given such a structure in a horoscope, how can the partner's horoscope have an adverse AL/UL plsacement? I would expect, basing on the earlier posts, the two to exist together or atleast have some harmonious /favourable positions. Are we overemphasising on the Arudha consept? Reagrds - Prashanth --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote: > Hare Rama Krsna > Dear Prashant! > > Not very easy to answer your query and multiple > indications are to be seen > to judge such issues.Some of the cases when the > relationship is not long > drawn we dont to to the next upapada for subsequent > relationship. More can > be known by analysing the kind of relationship that > is shown by AL and UL > and judge whether we go for the next UL when there > is one more > relationship.In many cases even if the marriage is > solemnised however > sustained for a very short time, we might not > switch to the next UL. > > In such cases I depend on my intuition to guide me. > I don't have a definite > answer!!!! I depend on some more indications.... > > Regards > Sarajit > > > - > "acharpastrology" > <acharpastrology > <vedic astrology> > Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:34 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Arudha Lagna and > Upapada........ > > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > Point well taken. What happens when the first > relationship is long > > drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference > on UL2 for the > > marriage we takes place subsequently with another? > Also, what happens > > when two relationships exists side by side, one > marital & the other > > extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction > in these cases? > > Thanks - Prashanth > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Nimmi! > > > > > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first > marriage, the 2nd UL > > will be > > > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage > is shown by the 1st > > UL > > > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so > on.... > > > > > > Regards > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and > Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is > true that I and my > > current > > > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this > was not true in my > > first > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Nimmi > > > > - > > > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna > and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Dear Chandru, > > > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the > same house, > > > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very > alike. This > > > > > is because the two spend so much time > together, in > > > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani > <chandruvasandani> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) > determines > > > > > > the > > > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas > Arudha Lagna > > > > > > indicates how the native himself is > perceived by > > > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & > UL fall in > > > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case > that native > > > > > > & > > > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms > of nature > > > > > > or > > > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and > Auctions for all of > > > > > your unique holiday gifts! 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 Hello all in this thread, I do have ead with interest what Visti has said. I will also add my two cents where in if AL, & UL are in same house , the couple may give an appearance that everything is very cohesive ( Which is true for manier times), but look at A7 if in a dusthana from AL may result in disharmony. there are some pointers to this regard in COVA under 7th House, but I dont remember them at this point. so you need to see A7, venus, dispositer of a7 also. Brahma > > > > - > > "acharpastrology" > > <acharpastrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:34 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Arudha Lagna and > > Upapada........ > > > > > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > > > Point well taken. What happens when the first > > relationship is long > > > drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference > > on UL2 for the > > > marriage we takes place subsequently with another? > > Also, what happens > > > when two relationships exists side by side, one > > marital & the other > > > extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction > > in these cases? > > > Thanks - Prashanth > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > > <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Nimmi! > > > > > > > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first > > marriage, the 2nd UL > > > will be > > > > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage > > is shown by the 1st > > > UL > > > > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so > > on.... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and > > Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is > > true that I and my > > > current > > > > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this > > was not true in my > > > first > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nimmi > > > > > - > > > > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna > > and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Dear Chandru, > > > > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the > > same house, > > > > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very > > alike. This > > > > > > is because the two spend so much time > > together, in > > > > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani > > <chandruvasandani> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) > > determines > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas > > Arudha Lagna > > > > > > > indicates how the native himself is > > perceived by > > > > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & > > UL fall in > > > > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case > > that native > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms > > of nature > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > any other qualities. Please comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandru Vasandani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send your holiday cheer with > > > > > > > http://greetings..ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and > > Auctions for all of > > > > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > > > > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Prashant! I shall take up your next question "Are we overemphasising on the Arudha consept?".... This can be properly understood when we understand what Arudha is and why do we use it. Arudha is the perception in this material worls. When we say "we" are represented by the Lagna, what is meant by the term "we" here which represent the lagna. This is not the body we are takking of, but the soul inside, "the real self". But what the world perceive about us is not our real self, but whatever they could conclude about us through our behaviour, our action etc. hence whatever the world know about us is the perception they carry about us and hence we use the arudha lagna to see how others will perceive us. Similarly when we get married and whatever relationship exist between the partners are to be seen from the arudha as everything exist in the realm of maya. As such there is no differentiation between the souls and the relationship can't be judged from the lagna and the 7th lord's placement. >From the 7th house, its lords placement and other such influences, we can only see when the person is likely to marry or whether he will marry or not, whether he will have multiple marriage or what is his moral character (Venus, Jupiter and Sun).. How can you say how the wife would liked or disliked in his patner, see the 7th house from the upapada and you will get some clue over there. Even though one is handsome, the partner might see him as having a corpulant body (possible!)... This itself is a complete field of study itself and hence its notpossible for me to describe further. What I meant is that we leave in a world of perception and hence we shall use the things which show perception rather than the real self.... Even then many know this, very few use it in dilineating the horoscope. The more you use it, the more you will find it fascinating. About the level of emphasis one should give is purely based on the understanding he/she has on the utility of these things. Regards Sarajit - "Prashanth Achar" <acharpastrology <vedic astrology> Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:32 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Arudha Lagna and Upapada........ > Dear Sarajit, > > Thanks. The reason I asked the earlier question was > different. I have seen Visti's note on results of > AL/UL in the same house. Given such a structure in a > horoscope, how can the partner's horoscope have an > adverse AL/UL plsacement? I would expect, basing on > the earlier posts, the two to exist together or > atleast have some harmonious /favourable positions. > > Are we overemphasising on the Arudha consept? > > Reagrds - Prashanth > > --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear Prashant! > > > > Not very easy to answer your query and multiple > > indications are to be seen > > to judge such issues.Some of the cases when the > > relationship is not long > > drawn we dont to to the next upapada for subsequent > > relationship. More can > > be known by analysing the kind of relationship that > > is shown by AL and UL > > and judge whether we go for the next UL when there > > is one more > > relationship.In many cases even if the marriage is > > solemnised however > > sustained for a very short time, we might not > > switch to the next UL. > > > > In such cases I depend on my intuition to guide me. > > I don't have a definite > > answer!!!! I depend on some more indications.... > > > > Regards > > Sarajit > > > > > > - > > "acharpastrology" > > <acharpastrology > > <vedic astrology> > > Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:34 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Arudha Lagna and > > Upapada........ > > > > > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > > > Point well taken. What happens when the first > > relationship is long > > > drawn but doesn't get solemninsed? Do we reference > > on UL2 for the > > > marriage we takes place subsequently with another? > > Also, what happens > > > when two relationships exists side by side, one > > marital & the other > > > extra-marital? Is there a risk of wrong prediction > > in these cases? > > > Thanks - Prashanth > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > > <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Nimmi! > > > > > > > > Some points to ponder. The UL shows the first > > marriage, the 2nd UL > > > will be > > > > in the 8th from the 1st UL. The first marriage > > is shown by the 1st > > > UL > > > > whereas the 2nd is shown by the 2nd UL and so > > on.... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:30 AM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna and > > Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > > > > > I have the AL and UL together in Pisces. It is > > true that I and my > > > current > > > > > partner are pretty inseparable. However, this > > was not true in my > > > first > > > > > marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nimmi > > > > > - > > > > > "Visti Larsen" <in_joy_i_scream> > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Arudha Lagna > > and Upapada........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Dear Chandru, > > > > > > When Arudha Lagna and Upapada fall in the > > same house, > > > > > > the couple is bound to be percieved very > > alike. This > > > > > > is because the two spend so much time > > together, in > > > > > > such a case, and are almost imseperable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Chandru Vasandani > > <chandruvasandani> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand Upapada(Arudha of 12th) > > determines > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > nature and qualities of Spouse. Whereas > > Arudha Lagna > > > > > > > indicates how the native himself is > > perceived by > > > > > > > others. My question is what if both AL & > > UL fall in > > > > > > > the same house. Can we say in this case > > that native > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > spouse will have few similarties in terms > > of nature > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > any other qualities. 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