DEAR SANJAY GURU AND PVN-ARUDHA FOR RAM???

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> WHen we can clearly explain his life events through satya peetha why

> should we use mayapeetha.

 

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But, aren't the Lords beyond the realm of Maya?

 

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Dear prahsant

that is what even i am trying to say.

Let the gurus explain this first.

 

 

regards

partha

 

 

((((i wrote to GURU sanjay and guru pvn

 

Dear learned gurus

 

Shri ram is the noblest soul ever to take birth on the bhoomi.

My simple question is to ask you is to why you have used the arudha

padas and upapada for analysing the divine soul chart.

 

 

Arudha lagna, the arudha padas of various rasis and planets should be

used for little mortals like me who have percieved personality and

actaul personality.

 

Shri Ram did not have an image which was contradictory to his

lagnapeetha. He was the purest of souls and using arudha to analyse

his chart is baffling to say the least.

 

Shri ram stood by what his ideals. He is the ideal son, brother,

husband and king.

He followed according to the dharma. I seriously do not understand

why we should use Arudha for him

..

WHen we can clearly explain his life events through satya peetha why

should we use mayapeetha.

 

regards

partha))))))))))

 

 

 

 

 

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***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Partha,

Further comments are given below: -

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

You wrote: Dear learned gurus :Shri ram is the noblest soul ever to take birth

on the bhoomi.My simple question is to ask you is to why you have used the

arudha padas and upapada for analysing the divine soul chart.

Rath: Because these are the standard tools of Vedic Astrology as taught by

PARASARA. Try answering these questions: (1) Is Krishna different from Ram? If

they are not different, then why are thier charts different? If they are

different, then Who is nobler??? You have used the word 'soul' inadvertantly

implying individual Atma. Please rethink on this and refer to chapter-1 of

BPHS.

You wrote: Arudha lagna, the arudha padas of various rasis and planets should be

used for little mortals like me who have percieved personality and actaul

personality. Shri Ram did not have an image which was contradictory to his

lagna peetha. He was the purest of souls and using arudha to analyse his chart

is baffling to say the least.

Rath: Please quote the source of your comment that Arudha Pada should only be

used for little mortals and not for the incarnations of Vishnu. Perhaps this is

your personal perception. secondly you assume that the images of people are

contradictory to their Lagna's ideals. This perception is also wrong. Look at

Sri Jayendra Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and a host of other mortals - are

thier images different from their ideals? So, this assumption is also not

correct. Your statement that He was the purest of souls is also incorrect

technically as this implies that He is being compared to other mortal souls

like you and I. Sri Rama has a very large portion of Paramatmamsa and cannot be

said to be a simple soul. Terms like noble and pure are relative and cannot be

used to describe the absolute. They give a relative picture like one glass of

water is purer than another but that which is beyond perception cannot be

classified. In fact the only way to understand the leela is to study the Arudha

as this indicates as to why They did what They did.

You wrote: Shri Ram stood by what his ideals. He is the ideal son, brother,

husband and king. He followed according to the dharma. I seriously do not

understand why we should use Arudha for him.

Rath: Ideals are seen from the Lagna or Satya peetha. We all stand by our own

ideals. Even Dawood Ibrahim the murderer stands by his ideals because he

believes that killing is what is right for him. Valmiki stood by his ideals

when he was murdering and looting the pilgrims and also when he was writing the

Ramayana. Ideals are based on the Lagna and the Dhi Shakti in it. They are

dependant on the Guna of the lagna. The Rama Who we pray everyday is beyond the

Guna and using a term like 'ideal' is not correct for the Lord as He is beyond

the Guna (Gunateeta). However, when we used the term ideal, we are referring

only to His physical incarnation as Rama the son of Dasaratha (then He is not

the son of so many Bhakta). Fine as this is the only way we can study His

chart.

When any being manifests, He is governed by the Guna and the Moon in lagna gives

Him tremendous compassion for one and all. It is this compassion that we call

the symbol of divinity. Sri Krishna, Rama and all Vishnu incarnations have

arrived due to their compassion or mercy for the beings in this planet. This is

seen in the presence of the Moon in thier Lagna. However, the image will change

as time passes since their birth. The baby Krishna's image in the world of

Vrindavan changed after killing Putana and later after killing Kamsa He was

recognised as a great wrestler. Similarly, Rama's image changes from a small

child in the eyes of His father to that of a powerful warrior after He killed

the demons and even broke Shiva's bow and married Sita. Time changes the

Arudha. The perception about Rama also changed with time during His sojourn in

this planet and this is explained by the Arudha. We are referring to Rama whose

exploits are already known but then this is His final image after all His

exploits and actions were recorded and portrayed for the world. You should

think in these lines to appreciate the need for the Arudha and other similar

tools. You wrote: WHen we can clearly explain his life events through satya

peetha why should we use mayapeetha.

Rath: Perfectly fine, but are you sure you can stand the scrutiny of various

scholars on this. If so, then let us begin by your trying to answer the

following questions:

(1) When the charts of Sri Rama and Sri Lakshman are the same, why was Rama the

eldest and Lakshman the third born? Similarly, why was Rama's wife the eldest

and Lakshman's wife the third child? Also, why did Rama's spouse accompany Him

while Laxman's did not do so during their period in the jungles.(2) When the

charts of Rama & Lakshman are the same, why is it that Rama had so many

faithful followers and not Lakshman? what star indicates Vibheeshana the

greatest Rama Bhakta (I think)? It is easier to stay among saints and recite

the name of Rama than to be in the city of demons and do so; it is easier to

side by your kith and kin and support Rama than to become inimical to your

whole clan and do so. In that sense, the test for Vibheeshana was greater than

that for Hanuman.

(3) What are the indications that Rama is the highest possible manifestation of

SURYA as indicated by Parasara? Hint: Attempt to bring out the link between

Vishwamitra the Rishi of the Gayatri Mantra (RV III.62.10) and Sri Rama's

marriage. Also show the bow of Shiva as the weapon that finally proved that

Rama was physically the strongest among the princes gathered for the test.

 

Hope you enjoy this exercise

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

P.s. I am copying this to Varahamihira for interested students to attempt.

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***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Prashant Achar, Patha & Venkateswar Reddy,

When you make a statement that the 'Lords beyond the realm of Maya' then

they are beyond the Bha-Chakra that symbolises the life process with time on

this planet. Thus, the very casting of a horoscope is an attempt at futility.

On the other hand when we accept that the Lord has appeared in this planet in a

human form and shall be working within the limitations of the Maya that He has

so beautifully created, then alone shall we be in a position to explain His

leela in this incarnation.

 

For example, Dasaratha was the father of Rama, but the hrashest truth is

that dasaratha is another child of Rama. Rama resides in the hearts of all and

hence Ravana was also rama or rama was fighting with Himself !! This can lead

to a lot of confusion but will open the inner eye and this is the real Veda.

Jyotish being the Vedanga helps us to examine His present incarnation like

having three brothers (why three brothers, why not ten, why not the whole world

- Vasudeva Kutumbakkam is His concept). Remember that whenever there is a Lagna,

there shall always be an Arudha. The Lagna is the satya peetha but not the

drudha Satya. It is the body which the Atma occupies and not the Image in this

incarnation. The Lagna is almost similar for all human beings - we all have two

hands, two legs, two eyes, a head (with some luck a little gray matter in it)

and are about 3 - 7 feet in height. Yet, when it comes to Arudha, why does

everyone know Bill Clinton today? How many of you recall the name of the 10th

US President off hand or maybe with a look into history books youwill remember,

yet inspite of so many years we recall the incarnation of Sri Rama. We may not

recall His physical appearance and have mental pictures conjured up by the

descriptions we have in the scriptures. Some artists imagine that He was blue

in complexion whereas He was actually very fair in complexion like the Sukla

Paksha Moon. Thus the Satya Peetha symbolised by the Physical Body exists in

this world of Maya for a short while but the arudha exists even today as we

read the Ramayana. He seems super human with such beauty, strength and ideal

manner. This is the difference between Satya and Maya peetha. In fact

Ramakrishna Paramhamsa has taught that it is not possible for man to realise

the penultimate truth in this physical body as it is surrounded by Maya.

Worship of the Divine Mother helps the soul to gradually get over this hypnosis

of perpetuity of the individual self and realise the inner self, but this also

does not give Moksha...

 

I finish here. You all can become good Jyotish, but the day you grasp the

real nature of the Arudha, the Lagna and the Vasu's you shall be Daivagnya.

 

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

- Prashanth Achar

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