Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay-dear Sanjay Guru

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Dear Sanjay guru

 

Even i am saying the same thing regarding the position of sun. I

presented the chart which i found in one of the astrology books.

My grand father told me that Shri Rama was never materialistic and

since he was a great avataar, he always considered "LOKA KALYANA" and

dharma parirakshana as his first and last duty.

I agree to you that sun should be in aries. But mercury can be in

pisces as we all know

a) Seeta devi is the most peaceful and the symbol of courage under

adversity. Pisces represent these qualities.

b) Isn't upapada an indicator of the nature of the spouse rather than

the wealth and the associated factors.

c) 7th from lagna has exalted mars.(Seeta devi was coourageous)

d) depositor of seventh lord is saturn who is exalted(Seeta devi was

the most humble and pios of ladies ever to take birth on earth).

 

e) I know you use arudha a lot in your analysis, But why not the

seventh house and its lords placement is given "More importance".

 

f) Now venus can be in 10th house, as venus would be with sun giving

Rama the passion for dharma and upholding the right path.

g) Venus in pisces actually spils the dharma of the person.

h) Rama had renounced father and brothers and kingdom for a larger

cause. This itself can be explained throufh mercury's debilitation.

i) I agree to your point regarding Rahu and ketu.

j) Valmiki ramayana is original work onramayana and uttara ramayana

was not written by Valmiki. So renouncing wife is an highly debatable

issue.

h) Saturn exalted and kendra from moon is sasa yoga:

Saturn exalted people have no marital life.(As opposed to sansara).

This itself should explain Rama's case. We need not have to explain

through UPAPAPDA.

regards

V.Partha Sarathy

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:

> ***Jaya Jagannath***

> Dear Partha

> You have presented some fine points. In the chart you give, the

Arudha Lagna

> is in Aries with Venus in it and Sun & Mercury in the 12th house

therefrom.

> Note that Mercury is the third lord and is debilitated and that

these

> placement of the sun & Mercury in 12th house from Arudha Lagna

should make

> him renounce or lose father and relatives. Venus in Arudha in the

tenth

> house should bring forth the strong influence of Venus in his

external

> personality as the arudha is what the world would remember Him by.

Now, the

> Upapada representing the spouse/ family will be in Virgo and with

its lord

> in debility will show that Sri Rama will marry into a very poor

family.

> These are contradictory to the real life events of Bhagavan Sri

Rama. In the

> chart we give, the Sun is exalted in AL showing that He is surya

Vanshi and

> that Upapada in Aries with exalted Sun also speaks volumes of the

royal

> family He married into. I have given other details in another mail.

Venus in

> 12th from AL shows that he will renounce or lose His spouse and

this also

> happened in His life.

>

> About Rahu & Ketu. Leave the discussions on exaltation and see the

placement

> of Rahu in the eleventh house in Badhak sthana in the second from

the Arudha

> Lagna. If Rahu is in the second from AL, it brings poverty. Instead

in the

> chart we give, Mercury is in the second from AL and such a

placement gives a

> Kingdom. That is why we call Him Raja Ram. Thus placement of

Mercury in the

> second from AL is more justified than the placement of Rahu in

second from

> AL.

>

> Now, coming to Ravana, the sixth house is Sagittarius. The

Satrupada A6 is

> in Aquarius. Aquarius has two lords Rahu and Saturn. Saturn in

exaltation

> shows that Ravana will be a very powerful King expert in various

sources of

> knowledge. The sixth lord Jupiter in exaltation aspecting satrupada

shows

> that Ravana will also be a very learned Brahmin. Rahu and Ketu are

in

> debility in kendra along the 1-7 axis showing that his lust will be

his

> undoing but these planets placed in debility in Kendra to the sixth

house

> will give him Rajyoga (as per the dictum malefics in debility in

Kendra give

> rajyoga) showing that Ravana's Raj or Kingdom was Asuric as he

ruled over

> the Rahu's & Ketu's (planets giving the Rajyoga will show the

nature of the

> Raj).

>

> And finally, I will recommend a reading of Brihat Jataka as

translated by

> Prof. B Suryanarayan Rao. I don't have a copy but do recollect that

similar

> examples were given.

>

> The point for real debate should be that (a) when the charts of

both Rama

> and Laxman were exactly similar, why the difference of being eldest

and

> third as well as so many other differences like Rama's spouse

acompanying

> Him to the jungles of Orissa (My Kalinga is still a jungle after so

many

> years - sad) whereas Laxman's spouse was in the toilet? (b) Why did

the

> Maharishi's always say that Bharat was the ideal of Kingship while

they said

> that Rama was the ideal of Dharma? © why does Parasara attribute

the Sun

> as signifying Rama at its highest glory and Moon at its highest

glory as

> Krishna?

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> ***Om Tat Sat***

> -

> partvinu5

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:33 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay-dear

PVN from

> partha

>

>

> Dear PVN

> Firstly let me apologise to you as i know that i had commited a sin

> by using your chart to make derogatory staements.

> This is a humble request to forgive me.

>

> Regarding Rama's chart

> let me add few points.

>

> First of all the chart on the basis of which we are disucssing needs

> to have a relook.

>

> There is a chart which i would present to you which pose some

> interesting questions

>

> 1. cancer: lagna,jupiter and moon,( in navamsa, they are all

together

> again)

> 2. libra: saturn( navamsa : libra)

> 3. scorpio(ketu , now this is diversion from our discussion).

> (navamsa: scorpio)

>

> 4. capricorn: mars (navamsa:capricorn)

> 5. meena: sun and mercury( navamsa: sun: capricorn,

> mercury: capricorn)

>

> 6. aries: venus( navamsa : libra)

> 7. taurus: rahu( navamsa: taurus)

>

> now there might be many debatable issues here.

> a) how can rahu be exalted for rama

> b) when valmiki said swochcha did he mean own houses and exaltation

> simultaneously. if then we have jupiter , saturn, mars , rahu and

> ketu exalted. There is a widely accepted theory that rahu and kethu

> get exalted in taurus and scorpio. But i have also heard that rahu

> gets exalted in gemini. I personally use rahu's exaltation in

taurus.

> rahu and venus are good freinds.

> c) does ravi or sun gets exalted in meena as the precession has

> changed for the earth from those days).

>

> I personally think that in this chart, i cannot agree to the postion

> of sun and venus.

>

>

> In fact i have met some scholars who opine that rahu cannot be in

> sagitarius for rama. Ravana has to be a exlated personlity full of

> power and greed at the same time a brahman who had great knowledge.

I

> suppose rahu's postion in taurus explains ravana's nature.

> Any way rahu in 6th can also be accepted if there is a healthy

debate.

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Pranaam Gurudeva,

> >

> > > Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri Chaitanya also

> had

> > this

> > > divine vision. I am neither suggesting any monopoly nor the need

> to

> > invoke

> > > traditional references and names. When in comes to Lagna

> Nakshatra,

> > do

> > > consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is among the finest

> works

> > in

> > > Jyotish.

> >

> > I accepted what you taught long back. But, when Partha prodded me

> to

> > think and asked me to read Valmiki Ramayana myself, I read Valmiki

> > with an open mind and there were a few things I could not explain.

> > Please note that I am not challenging you or Sri Achyuta Dasa. I

am

> > just asking these questions humbly in a sincere attempt to answer

> > them to myself. I will appreciate any help from you.

> >

> > (1) Valmiki said "swochcha sanstheshu panchasu". Doesn't it

> > mean "with five planets in own or exaltation signs"? Isn't

> > interpreting "swochcha" as "own exaltation" somewhat absurd (if

not

> > own exaltation, who else's exaltation)? If you agree, aren't there

> > six (rather than five) planets in own/exaltation signs in the

chart

> > given by you? Did Valmiki count incorrectly?

> >

> > (2) If Lakshmana was born in Cancer lagna with Sun in Aries, why

> did

> > Valmiki say "abhyudite Ravau"? It normally means "with Sun

rising".

> > You can interpret it as "after sun rose", but that's a weak

> > interpretation.

> >

> > I appreciate your continued guidance on this.

> >

> > Your grateful sishya,

> > Narasimha

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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