Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay-dear PVN from partha

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Dear PVN

Firstly let me apologise to you as i know that i had commited a sin

by using your chart to make derogatory staements.

This is a humble request to forgive me.

 

Regarding Rama's chart

let me add few points.

 

First of all the chart on the basis of which we are disucssing needs

to have a relook.

 

There is a chart which i would present to you which pose some

interesting questions

 

1. cancer: lagna,jupiter and moon,( in navamsa, they are all together

again)

2. libra: saturn( navamsa : libra)

3. scorpio(ketu , now this is diversion from our discussion).

(navamsa: scorpio)

 

4. capricorn: mars (navamsa:capricorn)

5. meena: sun and mercury( navamsa: sun: capricorn,

mercury: capricorn)

 

6. aries: venus( navamsa : libra)

7. taurus: rahu( navamsa: taurus)

 

now there might be many debatable issues here.

a) how can rahu be exalted for rama

b) when valmiki said swochcha did he mean own houses and exaltation

simultaneously. if then we have jupiter , saturn, mars , rahu and

ketu exalted. There is a widely accepted theory that rahu and kethu

get exalted in taurus and scorpio. But i have also heard that rahu

gets exalted in gemini. I personally use rahu's exaltation in taurus.

rahu and venus are good freinds.

c) does ravi or sun gets exalted in meena as the precession has

changed for the earth from those days).

 

I personally think that in this chart, i cannot agree to the postion

of sun and venus.

 

 

In fact i have met some scholars who opine that rahu cannot be in

sagitarius for rama. Ravana has to be a exlated personlity full of

power and greed at the same time a brahman who had great knowledge. I

suppose rahu's postion in taurus explains ravana's nature.

Any way rahu in 6th can also be accepted if there is a healthy debate.

 

regards

partha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Pranaam Gurudeva,

>

> > Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri Chaitanya also

had

> this

> > divine vision. I am neither suggesting any monopoly nor the need

to

> invoke

> > traditional references and names. When in comes to Lagna

Nakshatra,

> do

> > consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is among the finest

works

> in

> > Jyotish.

>

> I accepted what you taught long back. But, when Partha prodded me

to

> think and asked me to read Valmiki Ramayana myself, I read Valmiki

> with an open mind and there were a few things I could not explain.

> Please note that I am not challenging you or Sri Achyuta Dasa. I am

> just asking these questions humbly in a sincere attempt to answer

> them to myself. I will appreciate any help from you.

>

> (1) Valmiki said "swochcha sanstheshu panchasu". Doesn't it

> mean "with five planets in own or exaltation signs"? Isn't

> interpreting "swochcha" as "own exaltation" somewhat absurd (if not

> own exaltation, who else's exaltation)? If you agree, aren't there

> six (rather than five) planets in own/exaltation signs in the chart

> given by you? Did Valmiki count incorrectly?

>

> (2) If Lakshmana was born in Cancer lagna with Sun in Aries, why

did

> Valmiki say "abhyudite Ravau"? It normally means "with Sun rising".

> You can interpret it as "after sun rose", but that's a weak

> interpretation.

>

> I appreciate your continued guidance on this.

>

> Your grateful sishya,

> Narasimha

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Partha

You have presented some fine points. In the chart you give, the Arudha Lagna is

in Aries with Venus in it and Sun & Mercury in the 12th house therefrom. Note

that Mercury is the third lord and is debilitated and that these placement of

the sun & Mercury in 12th house from Arudha Lagna should make him renounce or

lose father and relatives. Venus in Arudha in the tenth house should bring

forth the strong influence of Venus in his external personality as the arudha

is what the world would remember Him by. Now, the Upapada representing the

spouse/ family will be in Virgo and with its lord in debility will show that

Sri Rama will marry into a very poor family. These are contradictory to the

real life events of Bhagavan Sri Rama. In the chart we give, the Sun is exalted

in AL showing that He is surya Vanshi and that Upapada in Aries with exalted Sun

also speaks volumes of the royal family He married into. I have given other

details in another mail. Venus in 12th from AL shows that he will renounce or

lose His spouse and this also happened in His life.

 

About Rahu & Ketu. Leave the discussions on exaltation and see the placement of

Rahu in the eleventh house in Badhak sthana in the second from the Arudha

Lagna. If Rahu is in the second from AL, it brings poverty. Instead in the

chart we give, Mercury is in the second from AL and such a placement gives a

Kingdom. That is why we call Him Raja Ram. Thus placement of Mercury in the

second from AL is more justified than the placement of Rahu in second from AL.

 

Now, coming to Ravana, the sixth house is Sagittarius. The Satrupada A6 is in

Aquarius. Aquarius has two lords Rahu and Saturn. Saturn in exaltation shows

that Ravana will be a very powerful King expert in various sources of

knowledge. The sixth lord Jupiter in exaltation aspecting satrupada shows that

Ravana will also be a very learned Brahmin. Rahu and Ketu are in debility in

kendra along the 1-7 axis showing that his lust will be his undoing but these

planets placed in debility in Kendra to the sixth house will give him Rajyoga

(as per the dictum malefics in debility in Kendra give rajyoga) showing that

Ravana's Raj or Kingdom was Asuric as he ruled over the Rahu's & Ketu's

(planets giving the Rajyoga will show the nature of the Raj).

 

And finally, I will recommend a reading of Brihat Jataka as translated by Prof.

B Suryanarayan Rao. I don't have a copy but do recollect that similar examples

were given.

 

The point for real debate should be that (a) when the charts of both Rama and

Laxman were exactly similar, why the difference of being eldest and third as

well as so many other differences like Rama's spouse acompanying Him to the

jungles of Orissa (My Kalinga is still a jungle after so many years - sad)

whereas Laxman's spouse was in the toilet? (b) Why did the Maharishi's always

say that Bharat was the ideal of Kingship while they said that Rama was the

ideal of Dharma? © why does Parasara attribute the Sun as signifying Rama at

its highest glory and Moon at its highest glory as Krishna?

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

- partvinu5

vedic astrology

Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:33 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay-dear PVN from partha

Dear PVNFirstly let me apologise to you as i know that i had commited a sin by

using your chart to make derogatory staements.This is a humble request to

forgive me.Regarding Rama's chart let me add few points.First of all the chart

on the basis of which we are disucssing needs to have a relook.There is a

chart which i would present to you which pose some interesting questions1.

cancer: lagna,jupiter and moon,( in navamsa, they are all together again)2.

libra: saturn( navamsa : libra)3. scorpio(ketu , now this is diversion from our

discussion). (navamsa: scorpio)4. capricorn: mars (navamsa:capricorn)5. meena:

sun and mercury( navamsa: sun: capricorn, mercury: capricorn)6. aries:

venus( navamsa : libra)7. taurus: rahu( navamsa: taurus)now there might be many

debatable issues here.a) how can rahu be exalted for ramab) when valmiki said

swochcha did he mean own houses and exaltation simultaneously. if then we have

jupiter , saturn, mars , rahu and ketu exalted. There is a widely accepted

theory that rahu and kethu get exalted in taurus and scorpio. But i have also

heard that rahu gets exalted in gemini. I personally use rahu's exaltation in

taurus. rahu and venus are good freinds.c) does ravi or sun gets exalted in

meena as the precession has changed for the earth from those days).I personally

think that in this chart, i cannot agree to the postion of sun and venus.In fact

i have met some scholars who opine that rahu cannot be in sagitarius for rama.

Ravana has to be a exlated personlity full of power and greed at the same time

a brahman who had great knowledge. I suppose rahu's postion in taurus explains

ravana's nature.Any way rahu in 6th can also be accepted if there is a healthy

debate.regardsparthavedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:>

Pranaam Gurudeva,> > > Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri

Chaitanya also had > this> > divine vision. I am neither suggesting any

monopoly nor the need to > invoke> > traditional references and names. When in

comes to Lagna Nakshatra, > do> > consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is

among the finest works > in> > Jyotish.> > I accepted what you taught long

back. But, when Partha prodded me to > think and asked me to read Valmiki

Ramayana myself, I read Valmiki > with an open mind and there were a few things

I could not explain. > Please note that I am not challenging you or Sri Achyuta

Dasa. I am > just asking these questions humbly in a sincere attempt to answer

> them to myself. I will appreciate any help from you.> > (1) Valmiki said

"swochcha sanstheshu panchasu". Doesn't it > mean "with five planets in own or

exaltation signs"? Isn't > interpreting "swochcha" as "own exaltation" somewhat

absurd (if not > own exaltation, who else's exaltation)? If you agree, aren't

there > six (rather than five) planets in own/exaltation signs in the chart >

given by you? Did Valmiki count incorrectly?> > (2) If Lakshmana was born in

Cancer lagna with Sun in Aries, why did > Valmiki say "abhyudite Ravau"? It

normally means "with Sun rising". > You can interpret it as "after sun rose",

but that's a weak > interpretation.> > I appreciate your continued guidance on

this.> > Your grateful sishya,> Narasimha>

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Dear all,

 

I have seen shir bhagwan Rama's chart in one

book, which shows all planets exalted. and saturn in

4th and sun in 10th for cancer lagna.

 

Regards,

vinay

 

--- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote:

> ***Jaya Jagannath***

> Dear Partha

> You have presented some fine points. In the chart

> you give, the Arudha Lagna

> is in Aries with Venus in it and Sun & Mercury in

> the 12th house therefrom.

> Note that Mercury is the third lord and is

> debilitated and that these

> placement of the sun & Mercury in 12th house from

> Arudha Lagna should make

> him renounce or lose father and relatives. Venus in

> Arudha in the tenth

> house should bring forth the strong influence of

> Venus in his external

> personality as the arudha is what the world would

> remember Him by. Now, the

> Upapada representing the spouse/ family will be in

> Virgo and with its lord

> in debility will show that Sri Rama will marry into

> a very poor family.

> These are contradictory to the real life events of

> Bhagavan Sri Rama. In the

> chart we give, the Sun is exalted in AL showing that

> He is surya Vanshi and

> that Upapada in Aries with exalted Sun also speaks

> volumes of the royal

> family He married into. I have given other details

> in another mail. Venus in

> 12th from AL shows that he will renounce or lose His

> spouse and this also

> happened in His life.

>

> About Rahu & Ketu. Leave the discussions on

> exaltation and see the placement

> of Rahu in the eleventh house in Badhak sthana in

> the second from the Arudha

> Lagna. If Rahu is in the second from AL, it brings

> poverty. Instead in the

> chart we give, Mercury is in the second from AL and

> such a placement gives a

> Kingdom. That is why we call Him Raja Ram. Thus

> placement of Mercury in the

> second from AL is more justified than the placement

> of Rahu in second from

> AL.

>

> Now, coming to Ravana, the sixth house is

> Sagittarius. The Satrupada A6 is

> in Aquarius. Aquarius has two lords Rahu and Saturn.

> Saturn in exaltation

> shows that Ravana will be a very powerful King

> expert in various sources of

> knowledge. The sixth lord Jupiter in exaltation

> aspecting satrupada shows

> that Ravana will also be a very learned Brahmin.

> Rahu and Ketu are in

> debility in kendra along the 1-7 axis showing that

> his lust will be his

> undoing but these planets placed in debility in

> Kendra to the sixth house

> will give him Rajyoga (as per the dictum malefics in

> debility in Kendra give

> rajyoga) showing that Ravana's Raj or Kingdom was

> Asuric as he ruled over

> the Rahu's & Ketu's (planets giving the Rajyoga will

> show the nature of the

> Raj).

>

> And finally, I will recommend a reading of Brihat

> Jataka as translated by

> Prof. B Suryanarayan Rao. I don't have a copy but do

> recollect that similar

> examples were given.

>

> The point for real debate should be that (a) when

> the charts of both Rama

> and Laxman were exactly similar, why the difference

> of being eldest and

> third as well as so many other differences like

> Rama's spouse acompanying

> Him to the jungles of Orissa (My Kalinga is still a

> jungle after so many

> years - sad) whereas Laxman's spouse was in the

> toilet? (b) Why did the

> Maharishi's always say that Bharat was the ideal of

> Kingship while they said

> that Rama was the ideal of Dharma? © why does

> Parasara attribute the Sun

> as signifying Rama at its highest glory and Moon at

> its highest glory as

> Krishna?

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> ***Om Tat Sat***

> -

> partvinu5

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:33 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Rama's Chart Given By

> Sanjay-dear PVN from

> partha

>

>

> Dear PVN

> Firstly let me apologise to you as i know that i had

> commited a sin

> by using your chart to make derogatory staements.

> This is a humble request to forgive me.

>

> Regarding Rama's chart

> let me add few points.

>

> First of all the chart on the basis of which we are

> disucssing needs

> to have a relook.

>

> There is a chart which i would present to you which

> pose some

> interesting questions

>

> 1. cancer: lagna,jupiter and moon,( in navamsa, they

> are all together

> again)

> 2. libra: saturn( navamsa : libra)

> 3. scorpio(ketu , now this is diversion from our

> discussion).

> (navamsa: scorpio)

>

> 4. capricorn: mars (navamsa:capricorn)

> 5. meena: sun and mercury( navamsa: sun: capricorn,

> mercury: capricorn)

>

> 6. aries: venus( navamsa : libra)

> 7. taurus: rahu( navamsa: taurus)

>

> now there might be many debatable issues here.

> a) how can rahu be exalted for rama

> b) when valmiki said swochcha did he mean own houses

> and exaltation

> simultaneously. if then we have jupiter , saturn,

> mars , rahu and

> ketu exalted. There is a widely accepted theory that

> rahu and kethu

> get exalted in taurus and scorpio. But i have also

> heard that rahu

> gets exalted in gemini. I personally use rahu's

> exaltation in taurus.

> rahu and venus are good freinds.

> c) does ravi or sun gets exalted in meena as the

> precession has

> changed for the earth from those days).

>

> I personally think that in this chart, i cannot

> agree to the postion

> of sun and venus.

>

>

> In fact i have met some scholars who opine that rahu

> cannot be in

> sagitarius for rama. Ravana has to be a exlated

> personlity full of

> power and greed at the same time a brahman who had

> great knowledge. I

> suppose rahu's postion in taurus explains ravana's

> nature.

> Any way rahu in 6th can also be accepted if there is

> a healthy debate.

>

> regards

> partha

>

>

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...>

> wrote:

> > Pranaam Gurudeva,

> >

> > > Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri

> Chaitanya also

> had

> > this

> > > divine vision. I am neither suggesting any

> monopoly nor the need

> to

> > invoke

> > > traditional references and names. When in comes

> to Lagna

> Nakshatra,

> > do

> > > consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is

> among the finest

> works

> > in

> > > Jyotish.

> >

>

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