Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay

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Pranaam Gurudeva,

 

> Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri Chaitanya also had

this

> divine vision. I am neither suggesting any monopoly nor the need to

invoke

> traditional references and names. When in comes to Lagna Nakshatra,

do

> consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is among the finest works

in

> Jyotish.

 

I accepted what you taught long back. But, when Partha prodded me to

think and asked me to read Valmiki Ramayana myself, I read Valmiki

with an open mind and there were a few things I could not explain.

Please note that I am not challenging you or Sri Achyuta Dasa. I am

just asking these questions humbly in a sincere attempt to answer

them to myself. I will appreciate any help from you.

 

(1) Valmiki said "swochcha sanstheshu panchasu". Doesn't it

mean "with five planets in own or exaltation signs"? Isn't

interpreting "swochcha" as "own exaltation" somewhat absurd (if not

own exaltation, who else's exaltation)? If you agree, aren't there

six (rather than five) planets in own/exaltation signs in the chart

given by you? Did Valmiki count incorrectly?

 

(2) If Lakshmana was born in Cancer lagna with Sun in Aries, why did

Valmiki say "abhyudite Ravau"? It normally means "with Sun rising".

You can interpret it as "after sun rose", but that's a weak

interpretation.

 

I appreciate your continued guidance on this.

 

Your grateful sishya,

Narasimha

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Narasimha

(a) I agree with your normal interpretation of that stanza "swochcha sanstheshu

panchasu" as implying own/exaltation for swochcha. But then would exalted

planets have any relevance in dusthana or houses other than Kendra and trikona?

Please refer to Brihat Jataka's Rajyoga where Varahamihira has explained the

importance of exalted planets in the charts of Vishnu's incarnations/Rajyoga.

In such a circumstance can we interpret the term swa in swochcha as implying

the exaltations in kendra & trikona of five planets (not own sign planets).

This term 'Swa' seems to have been in vogue in the Vedic times as Jaimini also

uses this in "Swamse Grahanam" when he goes on to explain the results of

planets in signs, trines etc from the Lagnamsa and Karakamsa. Contemporary

authors have used Swouccha to refer to own and exaltation signs, but here we

are refering to a time where the understanding was very pure. I have another

version of the chart of Rama which has Mercury in gemini and the Upapada coming

to Pisces explains Sita Devi etc even better, but then this seems absurd as

Mercury cannot be so far away from the Sun. Given the various charts till date,

the best is the one that I have given and this is also similar to that used by

Prof. B.S.Rao. Someday you will be able to develop Jagannath Hora to draw a

chart for the begining of the previous Yuga and then we shall have the chart of

Sri Ram. Till then all we can do is debate and keep reading.

 

(b) Here again I have given the chart that best explains Laxman going to Vanvas

with Sri Rama and having periods of fortune similar to Him. This was also shown

by Vasishtha by keeping the babies together. Normal present day interpretation

is what you have given, but the other interpretation is also not incorrect.

Just risen, risen, or just risen (with the implication that the midday was the

point of highest rise), after rise etc are many interpretations and the one you

give is the best normal translation. What does Partha say about Laxman's chart?

 

I am not closed in this topic until the day I see the chart cast by Jagannath

Hora. Can you program this feature?

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

- pvr108

vedic astrology

Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:50 PM

[vedic astrology] Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay

Pranaam Gurudeva, > Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri Chaitanya

also had this> divine vision. I am neither suggesting any monopoly nor the need

to invoke> traditional references and names. When in comes to Lagna Nakshatra,

do> consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is among the finest works in>

Jyotish. I accepted what you taught long back. But, when Partha prodded me to

think and asked me to read Valmiki Ramayana myself, I read Valmiki with an open

mind and there were a few things I could not explain. Please note that I am not

challenging you or Sri Achyuta Dasa. I am just asking these questions humbly in

a sincere attempt to answer them to myself. I will appreciate any help from you.

(1) Valmiki said "swochcha sanstheshu panchasu". Doesn't it mean "with five

planets in own or exaltation signs"? Isn't interpreting "swochcha" as "own

exaltation" somewhat absurd (if not own exaltation, who else's exaltation)? If

you agree, aren't there six (rather than five) planets in own/exaltation signs

in the chart given by you? Did Valmiki count incorrectly? (2) If Lakshmana was

born in Cancer lagna with Sun in Aries, why did Valmiki say "abhyudite Ravau"?

It normally means "with Sun rising". You can interpret it as "after sun rose",

but that's a weak interpretation. I appreciate your continued guidance on this.

Your grateful

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Oh Sanjay,

 

Just today, during one of my offbeat, irreverent fits

(not unusual), I thought of suggesting to this group

that someone develop a software where a user can fix

the positions of planets individually in rasi, navamsa

and other charts for the program to calculate the

date, month and year on which such a planetary

formation would be possible at a given latitude and

longitude !!

 

In a roundabout kinda way, you beat me to it - all the

better

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli

 

 

--- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote:

> ***Jaya Jagannath***

> Dear Narasimha

> (a) I agree with your normal interpretation of that

> stanza "swochcha

> sanstheshu panchasu" as implying own/exaltation for

> swochcha. But then would

> exalted planets have any relevance in dusthana or

> houses other than Kendra

> and trikona? Please refer to Brihat Jataka's Rajyoga

> where Varahamihira has

> explained the importance of exalted planets in the

> charts of Vishnu's

> incarnations/Rajyoga. In such a circumstance can we

> interpret the term swa

> in swochcha as implying the exaltations in kendra &

> trikona of five planets

> (not own sign planets). This term 'Swa' seems to

> have been in vogue in the

> Vedic times as Jaimini also uses this in "Swamse

> Grahanam" when he goes on

> to explain the results of planets in signs, trines

> etc from the Lagnamsa and

> Karakamsa. Contemporary authors have used Swouccha

> to refer to own and

> exaltation signs, but here we are refering to a time

> where the understanding

> was very pure. I have another version of the chart

> of Rama which has Mercury

> in gemini and the Upapada coming to Pisces explains

> Sita Devi etc even

> better, but then this seems absurd as Mercury cannot

> be so far away from the

> Sun. Given the various charts till date, the best is

> the one that I have

> given and this is also similar to that used by Prof.

> B.S.Rao. Someday you

> will be able to develop Jagannath Hora to draw a

> chart for the begining of

> the previous Yuga and then we shall have the chart

> of Sri Ram. Till then all

> we can do is debate and keep reading.

>

> (b) Here again I have given the chart that best

> explains Laxman going to

> Vanvas with Sri Rama and having periods of fortune

> similar to Him. This was

> also shown by Vasishtha by keeping the babies

> together. Normal present day

> interpretation is what you have given, but the other

> interpretation is also

> not incorrect. Just risen, risen, or just risen

> (with the implication that

> the midday was the point of highest rise), after

> rise etc are many

> interpretations and the one you give is the best

> normal translation. What

> does Partha say about Laxman's chart?

>

> I am not closed in this topic until the day I see

> the chart cast by

> Jagannath Hora. Can you program this feature?

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> ***Om Tat Sat***

> -

> pvr108

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:50 PM

> [vedic astrology] Rama's Chart Given By

> Sanjay

>

>

> Pranaam Gurudeva,

>

> > Achyuta dasa, among the pancha sakha of Sri

> Chaitanya also had

> this

> > divine vision. I am neither suggesting any

> monopoly nor the need to

> invoke

> > traditional references and names. When in comes to

> Lagna Nakshatra,

> do

> > consider the work Jataka Parijatha. This is among

> the finest works

> in

> > Jyotish.

>

> I accepted what you taught long back. But, when

> Partha prodded me to

> think and asked me to read Valmiki Ramayana myself,

> I read Valmiki

> with an open mind and there were a few things I

> could not explain.

> Please note that I am not challenging you or Sri

> Achyuta Dasa. I am

> just asking these questions humbly in a sincere

> attempt to answer

> them to myself. I will appreciate any help from you.

>

> (1) Valmiki said "swochcha sanstheshu panchasu".

> Doesn't it

> mean "with five planets in own or exaltation signs"?

> Isn't

> interpreting "swochcha" as "own exaltation" somewhat

> absurd (if not

> own exaltation, who else's exaltation)? If you

> agree, aren't there

> six (rather than five) planets in own/exaltation

> signs in the chart

> given by you? Did Valmiki count incorrectly?

>

> (2) If Lakshmana was born in Cancer lagna with Sun

> in Aries, why did

> Valmiki say "abhyudite Ravau"? It normally means

> "with Sun rising".

> You can interpret it as "after sun rose", but that's

> a weak

> interpretation.

>

> I appreciate your continued guidance on this.

>

> Your grateful sishya,

> Narasimha

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

>

>

>

>

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

> Karakamsa. Contemporary authors have used Swouccha to refer to own and

> exaltation signs, but here we are refering to a time where the

understanding

> was very pure.

 

I simply cannot understand how "swa" can mean "quadrants and trines from

lagna". It is very very very far-fetched, though you presumptively talk of

"pure" understanding. It can only mean "own" or also "lagna".

 

Such far-fetched explanations can be accepted only if you are interpreting

some cryptic aphorisms (ala Jaimini), which wasn't the case of Valmiki.

 

> I have another version of the chart of Rama which has Mercury

> in gemini and the Upapada coming to Pisces explains Sita Devi etc even

> better, but then this seems absurd as Mercury cannot be so far away from

the

> Sun.

 

I don't think it is absurd at all. Mercury can be ahead by upto 90 deg. If

you think upapada in Pisces makes sense, that chart can be considered.

 

> Normal present day

> interpretation is what you have given, but the other interpretation is

also

> not incorrect. Just risen, risen, or just risen (with the implication that

> the midday was the point of highest rise), after rise etc are many

> interpretations and the one you give is the best normal translation.

 

Well, I suppose "abhyudite ravau" can be translated as "with sun rising to

the highest point". However I haven't seen "udita" or "abhyudita" used in

such sense anywhere ever. They were always used in the normal sense of

sunrise. The case is weak.

 

Thank you for answering, but I am not completely satisfied with the

explanations.

 

Moreover, as per Parasara, Vishnu's incarnations have a raja yoga giving

kendra lord and kona lord combination in Devalokamsa (both). In Pushyami,

Moon cannot be in Devalokamsa. You perhaps suggest that Jupiter and Mars are

in Devalokamsa instead of Moon and Jupiter.

 

Though I argued with Partha and others that Pushyami is the lagna nakshatra,

why didn't Valmiki explicitly say that it was lagna nakshatra if he was

mentioning Chandra nakshatra for other three and lagna nakshatra for only

Rama?

 

I see a lot of unanswered questions. You seem to hint at the same below I

think.

 

> I am not closed in this topic until the day I see the chart cast by

> Jagannath Hora. Can you program this feature?

 

As I use an ephemeris based on NASA's latest model, it can only go upto 5400

BC. We cannot go millions of years back reliably. Even to do it

approximately, we need an analytical model. I know no astrology calculations

package that can go so far back. In future, I will look at it myself and try

to develop an analytical model that can go upto Rama's time. This, of

course, will take time. After the second book I think.

 

Meanwhile, you can work on Sri Krishna's chart. Is the one we accepted

(based on Dr. Raman's version) correct? It has no planets in Devalokamsa or

even close to it. I wonder how it can be right given Parasara's clear

instruction on Vishnu's incarnations. Does Sri Achyuta Dasa say anything on

Krishna's chart?

 

Why don't you do research into Krishna's horoscope before thinking of Rama's

horoscope?

 

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> ***Om Tat Sat***

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha Guru,

 

regarding your last post

 

'Moreover, as per Parasara, Vishnu's incarnations have a raja yoga

giving

> kendra lord and kona lord combination in Devalokamsa (both). In

Pushyami,

> Moon cannot be in Devalokamsa. You perhaps suggest that Jupiter and

Mars are

> in Devalokamsa instead of Moon and Jupiter.

 

 

these are the devalokamsa positions i worked out for each planet.

 

Mars 0 to 2'30 aries

 

Sun 0 to 3 aries, 0 to 3 leo

 

Moon 0 to 0'30 cancer, 1'52'30 to 2'30 cancer

 

Venus 14'30 to 15 taurus , 0 to 0'30 libra , 1'52'30 to 3 libra

 

Jupiter 0 to 0'30 pisces, 12 to 12'30 pisces, 13'07'30 to 15 pisces,

0 to 0'30 saggitarius, 1'30 to 1'52'30 saggitarius, 0 to

0'30 cancer, 28'07'30 to 28'30 cancer

 

Saturn 0 to 0'30 libra, 1'30 to 2'30 libra, 12 to 12'30 libra, 0 to

0'30 aquarius

 

so the only planets in Sri Rama's chart that can be in devalokamsa

are Jupiter, Saturn, and Sun

 

these are worked out according to D1 D2 D3 D7 D9 D10 D12 D16 D30 and

D60

 

D2 is the standard leo or cancer configuration. depending on what

type of D2 chart you take could change the results.

 

love

jaan

[Guest guest]

Dear Jaan,

 

> these are the devalokamsa positions i worked out for each planet.

>

> Moon 0 to 0'30 cancer, 1'52'30 to 2'30 cancer

>

> Jupiter 0 to 0'30 pisces, 12 to 12'30 pisces, 13'07'30 to 15

pisces,

> 0 to 0'30 saggitarius, 1'30 to 1'52'30 saggitarius, 0

to

> 0'30 cancer, 28'07'30 to 28'30 cancer

>

> so the only planets in Sri Rama's chart that can be in devalokamsa

> are Jupiter, Saturn, and Sun

 

Good job. But, why did you leave Moon? Moon in Cancer can be in

Devalokamsa as you also noted. So, Moon and Jupiter (lagna and 9th

lords) could be the two planets in Devalokamsa.

 

You probably did not consider Moon because you assumed that Moon is

not in Punarvasu and is in Pushyami. While we should respect Sanjay

ji's teaching, let us remember when searching for Devalokamsa

positions that "Moon in Pushyami" is not an absolutely final thing.

 

Sanjay himself said that he has not closed Rama's chart.

 

> these are worked out according to D1 D2 D3 D7 D9 D10 D12 D16 D30

and

> D60

>

> D2 is the standard leo or cancer configuration. depending on what

> type of D2 chart you take could change the results.

 

Yep. Also, note that there may be other versions of D-30 too.

 

Just like you checked for the Devalokamsa positions, you can do this

exercise: Check for each planet if it can be in Sridhamamsa (10 out

of 10) somewhere in the zodiac if you take the standard D-30 chart!

 

> love

> jaan

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha Guru,

 

thanks, youre right i just went along with the post regarding moons

nakshatra so excluded it.

 

using a standard hora chart(cancer leo) and standard D30 the only

planets than can obtain Sridhamamsa are naturally moon, jupiter and

sun.

 

of these only the sun obtains Sridhamamsa between 0 to 0'30 degrees

aries.

 

i will have a go at seeing whether changing the hora chart will make

a difference to obtaining Sridhamamsa but it looks unlikely as you

would still need 9/10 in the remaining divisional charts.

 

 

love

jaan

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Dear Jaan,

>

> > these are the devalokamsa positions i worked out for each planet.

> >

> > Moon 0 to 0'30 cancer, 1'52'30 to 2'30 cancer

> >

> > Jupiter 0 to 0'30 pisces, 12 to 12'30 pisces, 13'07'30 to 15

> pisces,

> > 0 to 0'30 saggitarius, 1'30 to 1'52'30 saggitarius, 0

> to

> > 0'30 cancer, 28'07'30 to 28'30 cancer

> >

> > so the only planets in Sri Rama's chart that can be in

devalokamsa

> > are Jupiter, Saturn, and Sun

>

> Good job. But, why did you leave Moon? Moon in Cancer can be in

> Devalokamsa as you also noted. So, Moon and Jupiter (lagna and 9th

> lords) could be the two planets in Devalokamsa.

>

> You probably did not consider Moon because you assumed that Moon is

> not in Punarvasu and is in Pushyami. While we should respect Sanjay

> ji's teaching, let us remember when searching for Devalokamsa

> positions that "Moon in Pushyami" is not an absolutely final thing.

>

> Sanjay himself said that he has not closed Rama's chart.

>

> > these are worked out according to D1 D2 D3 D7 D9 D10 D12 D16 D30

> and

> > D60

> >

> > D2 is the standard leo or cancer configuration. depending on what

> > type of D2 chart you take could change the results.

>

> Yep. Also, note that there may be other versions of D-30 too.

>

> Just like you checked for the Devalokamsa positions, you can do

this

> exercise: Check for each planet if it can be in Sridhamamsa (10 out

> of 10) somewhere in the zodiac if you take the standard D-30 chart!

>

> > love

> > jaan

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha Guru,

 

analysing just the 8 charts D1 D3 D7 D9 D10 D12 D16 D60, leaving out

the two in question D2 and D30

 

only the sun and mars are able to obtain 8 out of 8 vargas, so

depending on which D2 or D30 you take only the sun and mars have the

potential to be in Sridhamamsa with the following positions.

 

mars 0 to 0'30 aries

 

sun 0 to 0'30 aries and 0 to 0'30 leo

 

i dont know the criteria for different D2 and D30 charts, but the

span of degrees is so small as to make it easy to check which ever

type you use.

 

love

jaan

 

 

vedic astrology, "ray1k" <kgrap@b...> wrote:

> Dear Narasimha Guru,

>

> thanks, youre right i just went along with the post regarding moons

> nakshatra so excluded it.

>

> using a standard hora chart(cancer leo) and standard D30 the only

> planets than can obtain Sridhamamsa are naturally moon, jupiter and

> sun.

>

> of these only the sun obtains Sridhamamsa between 0 to 0'30 degrees

> aries.

>

> i will have a go at seeing whether changing the hora chart will

make

> a difference to obtaining Sridhamamsa but it looks unlikely as you

> would still need 9/10 in the remaining divisional charts.

>

>

> love

> jaan

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Dear Jaan,

> >

> > > these are the devalokamsa positions i worked out for each

planet.

> > >

> > > Moon 0 to 0'30 cancer, 1'52'30 to 2'30 cancer

> > >

> > > Jupiter 0 to 0'30 pisces, 12 to 12'30 pisces, 13'07'30 to 15

> > pisces,

> > > 0 to 0'30 saggitarius, 1'30 to 1'52'30 saggitarius,

0

> > to

> > > 0'30 cancer, 28'07'30 to 28'30 cancer

> > >

> > > so the only planets in Sri Rama's chart that can be in

> devalokamsa

> > > are Jupiter, Saturn, and Sun

> >

> > Good job. But, why did you leave Moon? Moon in Cancer can be in

> > Devalokamsa as you also noted. So, Moon and Jupiter (lagna and

9th

> > lords) could be the two planets in Devalokamsa.

> >

> > You probably did not consider Moon because you assumed that Moon

is

> > not in Punarvasu and is in Pushyami. While we should respect

Sanjay

> > ji's teaching, let us remember when searching for Devalokamsa

> > positions that "Moon in Pushyami" is not an absolutely final

thing.

> >

> > Sanjay himself said that he has not closed Rama's chart.

> >

> > > these are worked out according to D1 D2 D3 D7 D9 D10 D12 D16

D30

> > and

> > > D60

> > >

> > > D2 is the standard leo or cancer configuration. depending on

what

> > > type of D2 chart you take could change the results.

> >

> > Yep. Also, note that there may be other versions of D-30 too.

> >

> > Just like you checked for the Devalokamsa positions, you can do

> this

> > exercise: Check for each planet if it can be in Sridhamamsa (10

out

> > of 10) somewhere in the zodiac if you take the standard D-30

chart!

> >

> > > love

> > > jaan

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Jaan

Don't break your head more on this. The two planets in Devlokamsa in Sri Rama's

chart are Jupiter and the Sun. He is the Sun's highest form i.e. Surya Avatar

of Vishnu. When we work with the software I will come out with a lot more on

this.

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

- ray1k

vedic astrology

Friday, December 21, 2001 10:54 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Rama's Chart Given By Sanjay

Dear Narasimha Guru, regarding your last post'Moreover, as per Parasara,

Vishnu's incarnations have a raja yoga giving> kendra lord and kona lord

combination in Devalokamsa (both). In Pushyami,> Moon cannot be in Devalokamsa.

You perhaps suggest that Jupiter and Mars are> in Devalokamsa instead of Moon

and Jupiter.these are the devalokamsa positions i worked out for each

planet.Mars 0 to 2'30 ariesSun 0 to 3 aries, 0 to 3 leoMoon 0 to

0'30 cancer, 1'52'30 to 2'30 cancerVenus 14'30 to 15 taurus , 0 to 0'30 libra

, 1'52'30 to 3 libraJupiter 0 to 0'30 pisces, 12 to 12'30 pisces, 13'07'30 to

15 pisces, 0 to 0'30 saggitarius, 1'30 to 1'52'30 saggitarius, 0 to

0'30 cancer, 28'07'30 to 28'30 cancerSaturn 0 to 0'30 libra, 1'30 to 2'30

libra, 12 to 12'30 libra, 0 to 0'30 aquariusso the only planets in Sri Rama's

chart that can be in devalokamsa are Jupiter, Saturn, and Sunthese are worked

out according to D1 D2 D3 D7 D9 D10 D12 D16 D30 and D60D2 is the standard leo

or cancer configuration. depending on what type of D2 chart you take could

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