Moksha and desire of moksha (7th from AK)

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Hi, thank you Visti and Narasimha for helping me understand this a little better

Angie

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Om Krishna Guru!

Hello Visti and others,

I have Saturn (AK) in Pisces with Rahu. Also Saturn

and Rahu are together in D-9 in Aquarius. Rahu also is

PK. What is the significance of this combination?

 

Thanks!

Murali

--- Visti Larsen <in_joy_i_scream wrote:

> Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

>

> Dear Venkatesh,

> Read Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra's Chapter about

> Karakamsa.

> Read Jaimini's Upadesa's Chapter about Swamsa.

>

> 12th from AtmaKaraka leads the person to god. If

> this

> is stronger than the persons desire(7th from Rasi

> Lagna), then the person is more inclined towards

> moksha.

>

> Ketu in 12th from Karakamsa(AK in Navamsa) is said

> to

> give moksha acording to Parasara and Jaimini.

>

> As for Rahu joining AK, think harder. In case of Sun

> being AK, and Rahu joining, the Souls intent/desires

> are blinded(Aditya-Chandala Yoga), just like the

> eclipse.

>

> As a result the person may try to attain their souls

> desires through fanatical means, as the person is

> blinded from god!!.

>

> Theres a significant difference if this happens in

> Rasi or Navamsa.

>

> Notable personalities, are Nathuram Godse and some

> also say Bin Laden.

> But keep in mind that we can have fanatics

> performing

> good deeds. It all depends on Rahu's affliction.

>

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> --- venkateshwara_reddy

> <venkateshwara_reddy wrote:

> > Let me add 2 more cases in D-9

> >

> > 1. Ketu in 12th from AK and aspecting 7th from AK

> > thru sign aspect

> > 2. Rahu conjoined with AK(AK afflicted by Rahu) =

> > Ketu in 7th from AK

> >

> > Any comments,

> > VR

> >

> > > Namaskar Narasimhaji

> > >

> > > I also have a related question.

> > > What is the desire of the soul if 7th from AK is

> > unoccupied in

> > Navamsa? That is the case in my chart (attached

> > herewith). In that

> > case should I see the 7th lord from AK & its

> > association with other

> > planet?

> > >

> > > Warm regards

> > > Dilip.

> > > -

> > > pvr108

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Monday, December 17, 2001 3:28 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Moksha and desire

> of

> > moksha (Re: 7th

> > from AK)

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Angie,

> > >

> > > Excellent question.

> > >

> > > Once Sanjay said, "Narasimha, desire of moksha

> > is also a desire

> > that

> > > can cause rebirth". Moksha is freedom from all

> > desires. Moksha is

> > the

> > > state of a soul that wants nothing -

> absolutely

> > nothing.

> > >

> > > Regarding Ketu always being in the 7th from AK

> > if Rahu is AK, I

> > don't

> > > know what it means. Does it mean that people

> > with Rahu as AK

> > usually

> > > have a strong desire of moksha? I don't know.

> I

> > guess it depends

> > on

> > > other influences too. In general, we are

> taught

> > that the 7th from

> > AK

> > > in navamsa shows the desires of the soul. In

> my

> > case, Jupiter and

> > > Mars are in Sg, in the 7th from AK (in

> navamsa).

> > My soul probably

> > > desires to be a leader (Mars) in spreading

> > dharma (Sg) and

> > > traditional knowledge (Jupiter). Sanjay has

> > saattwik Moon in

> > saattwik

> > > Pisces in the 7th from AK in navamsa. Probably

> > it shows that the

> > > primary desire of Sanjay's soul is to spread

> > saattwik traditional

> > > knowledge of Sages (Pi) and to worshipp

> Krishna

> > (Moon in Pi).

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > > Hi, this a question about something I read

> in

> > the other post...

> > > >

> > > > ~~~`The 12th from AK in navamsa shows the

> > emancipation of soul.

> > > Similarly,

> > > > the 7th from AK in navamsa shows the desires

> > of the soul (which

> > are

> > > the

> > > > cause of rebirth).`~~~

> > > >

> > > > I was trying to understand this, as my AK if

> > you include rahu

> > would

> > > be rahu, but then the 7th house is always

> going

> > to have ketu in

> > it,

> > > but then ketu is called the moksh karaka

> right?

> > But then so, the

> > > desires of the soul would be moksha, but

> > desiring that would be

> > the

> > > cause of rebirth? I totally don't understand

> > this, do you know

> > what

> > > I mean? Angie

> > >

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On this subject, a story, which I heard from a sant, is just has come to my mind.

 

...........One day, during their normal vihara (routine stroll), Godess Parvathi,

asks to Lord Shiva about Moksha. Then Lord shiva takes her to Bhooloka (Planet

Earth) and they give their Darshana (auspicious presence) to one of the

Devotee, who was doing tapasya for as long as 10 years continuously. Pleased by

Lord's darshana, over whelmed by the ecstasy, the devotee touches the feet of

lord and prostrate with folded hands and asks the lord about his Moksha. Lord

says, it might take 10 more births for him to get Moksha if he could maintain

same intense of Tapasya. The devotee gets little disturbed but persists with

his task. Further, God and Godess come across with a person who was dancing and

singing on the road without any awareness. Godess stops the person, but he was

unmoved and just passes smiles at lord and continue with his dance and singing.

Mathe Parvathi shoots a question to Lord " When this ignorant person is destined

for Moksha?" Bhagwan without hesitation says, "He is entitled for that very this

moment". Bewildered Devi, asks, how come a person exibiting least kind of Bhakti

to Lord could achieve so fastly where as the saint still need Ten more

incarnations?. Bhagwan answers, "The Moksha is nothing but state of

nondesireness ...............".

 

Mohan Hegde.

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pvr108

vedic astrology

Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:26 AM

[vedic astrology] Moksha and desire of moksha (Re: 7th from AK)

Namaste Nomadeva,> In short, I think that statements exhorting a> spiritual

aspirant to shun desires has been> interpreted out of scope; by even shunning

the desire> to obtain moxa.I only repeated what I was taught. I don't know much

about moksha or references to it in scriptures to argue with you.But I just want

to clarify that I am not saying that the desire of moksha is wrong or should be

shunned. Desire of moksha is the first step in getting moksha. But there is

more. Desire of moksha lets one overcome all other desires. But moksha is

finally achieved only when that desire is also gone and the person is fully

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Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!-------

Dear Karu,

 

4th sloka is "Papai Ranyatha" (If I am correct) says malefic send soul to hell or deny above results

which expained by 1.Uchche Sube Suba loka 2.Keto Kaivalyam 3.Kriya Charpayo Visheshana.

So I think 12 th from AK is not only lead person to the God.

 

Yes i've pondered this sloka abit. Do you think is related to Karakamsa or Lagnamsa?

I don't think the Soul wants to goto hell.

Sanjay has taught in the past;

 

"If the Upapada from Moon is associated with malefics, an unpleasant abode

awaits. If benefics then opposite. "

 

Upapada from Moon shouldn't be analysed to see moksha. This is because when we

leave our Sareera(body), there is only Manas(Mind) and Atma(Soul) left. Most

people only respond to their Manas, hence we can see the pains/blessings of

their Manas, after death.

But there are some conditions. I cannot understand this. I have seen some where

as 'seeker of moksha' . But translation says "Moksha Granted." Some has

interpreted Kriya chapayo as Cancer and Pices while Sanjay do same as 4th and

12th which can be accepted.

 

4th from Karakamsa shows the Shakti(mother).

 

Again Parasara says 1. Ketu in 12th in Aries or Saggitarius, with conjoined or

aspects benefic gives Moksha.

This is 1st and 9th of zodiac ruled by Sun. Then why Leo is out ?? If you know please share with me.

 

The fiery signs, make it easier to achieve moksha, however Leo has too much

Tamas Guna.. thats why it wants power and riches.Also why do you see desire of

the soul from 7th from Atma karaka ?

I thougt it is AK it self and trine.

 

I don't see the 7th from AK for the souls desires, Narasimha wrote this

previously. I did however think this at one time.

What the Soul wants for the person in this birth is seen from the Karakamsa. i.e. treat it as lagna.

Whether or not the person can achieve the souls desires, depends on the relation

between Karakamsa and Lagnamsa.

 

Best wishes, Visti.