Guest guest Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 Dear gauranga das WHat balaji has said is right. WE should not tinker with lord's horoscope. you have used the theories of nakshatra jaati, tatwa et al to prove that Rama was born in pushyami star. I have given two posts (messages 11196, 11197) earlier regarding my explanation. I am shuddering to think what would lord do to all of us as we are trying to change his nakshatra. You are a learned pundit, atleast you do not change the lord's nakshatrata. please i request you, this is a very humble request. Regarding you other post on advicing for asking questions i agree with you. I am not questioning any body's sincerity here. please try to understand that. please do not make judgements. i am very much delighted that your databank is proving very useful to all of us. regards partha vedic astrology, balaji srinivasan <sri_balaji> wrote: > Dear Gauranga, > > We should accept the traditional belief on Rama and > not try to fit a new finding. Lord didn't burn up the > ocean. If that is the case, then agni tattwa is fine. > Actually he took the help of Hanuman in his leela of > crossing the ocean who is the son of vayu. I am not > trying to talk of vayu tattwa here and establish > punarvasu. > Rama has exalted Mars and that itself is enough to > make him a good general. We need not look at star's > caste to establish that. > Let us forget our own theories and worship Rama. > > warm regards, > Balaji S. --- Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > Sri Rama was born on Sukla Navami tithi with > > exalted Sun. So Moon can > > > only be in Pushyami or Asresha. Period. Read my > > earlier post for the > > > logic. > > > > > > > I'm trying to approach the question from a different > > point of view. Sanjayji taught that Lagna Nakshatra > > will indicate the native's intelligence, while the > > Janma Nakshatra will indicate his mindset. If we > > assume that Rama's Lagna was in Punarvasu and Moon > > in Pushya, this I think is acceptable, as there's a > > lot of similarity between the two Nakshatras, while > > Aslesha is quite different. Let's see some of them: > > > > Nakshatra Symbol Deity Caste Guna Sex > > Gana Circle > > > > Punarvasu Bow Aditi Vaisya > > Sattva Male Deva Vayu > > Pushya Arrow Brihaspati Ksatriya Tamas > > Male Deva Agni > > Aslesha Snake Naga Outcaste Sattva > > Female Raksasa Varuna > > > > So according to my opinion, Punarvasu and Pushya are > > likely, however Aslesha not so much. So taking into > > consideration what Narasimha says, I would allow for > > the possibility that Lord Rama had Moon in Pushya > > Nakshatra, because He was a Kshatriya, although the > > Lagna in general would definitely indicate a > > brahmin. He was expert at using bows and arrows, and > > was confronted with the Tamas represented by Ravana. > > Agni Tattwa would also be nicely expressed in His > > lila of crossing over the ocean to get to Lanka. Soi > > I definitely think that Pushya Nakshatra has a > > chance to become His Janma Nakshatra, even if it's > > not as prominent as Punarvasu, which is stronger. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > <gauranga@b...> > > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > > Jyotish Remedies: > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Balaji and Partha, Namaste. I wasn't really stating that my findings would necessarily prove Pushyami as Lord Rama's Janma Nakshatra. I just said that it looked possible from thids angle. However you have the greater difficulty if you want to literally follow shastra, because as Narasimha said, Rama's birth on Navami Tithi can only be explained with Moon in Pushya or Aslesha. So if you blame me with changing the statements of the Shastra, which I really didin't do, what do you do when stating that He was born not on Navami but Ashtami? This is just an exertcise, and none of us should seroisuly think that the truth is exclusively in his hands. Who is there who thinks he is qualified to manifest the truth about Lord Rama's chart? I'm surprised how some astrologers start fighting upon certain charts. I had the same experience with Srila Prabhupada's chart. There were some who seriously believed that he had Capricorn Lagna becase he stated that he was born around 4pm. Some others like Sanjayji was on the opinion that Sagittairus more fits his life events. I tried to do the same in this question. There's so many other things that we don;t know about Lord Rama's chart, that hardly any one of us could say that he has conclusively proven one version or the other. But why figth over this? naasav rishir asya matam na bhinnam. Mahabharata states that no one can claim to be a rishi unless his opinion is different from others. Of course this does not mena that we should accept our own opinion as the exclusive absolute truth. For example Narasimha also takes Capricorn lagna for Prabhupada, but neither I nor Sanjayji get into a conflict with him about that. So one of us may believe in Punarvas, the other in Pushya, but neither view is substanitated enough to exclude the other one. I think that maintaining the benefit of doubt, especially in Bhagavan's chart, will actualli increase our respect towards Him. Otherwise we tend to take Him under control by analysing His chart. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone: +36-309-140-839 Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Dear gauranga das > WHat balaji has said is right. WE should not tinker with lord's > horoscope. you have used the theories of nakshatra jaati, tatwa et al > to prove that Rama was born in pushyami star. I have given two posts > (messages 11196, 11197) earlier regarding my explanation. I am > shuddering to think what would lord do to all of us as we are trying > to change his nakshatra. You are a learned pundit, atleast you do > not change the lord's nakshatrata. please i request you, this is a > very humble request. > Regarding you other post on advicing for asking questions i agree > with you. I am not questioning any body's sincerity here. please try > to understand that. please do not make judgements. i am very much > delighted that your databank is proving very useful to all of us. > > regards > partha > > vedic astrology, balaji srinivasan <sri_balaji> > wrote: > > Dear Gauranga, > > > > We should accept the traditional belief on Rama and > > not try to fit a new finding. Lord didn't burn up the > > ocean. If that is the case, then agni tattwa is fine. > > Actually he took the help of Hanuman in his leela of > > crossing the ocean who is the son of vayu. I am not > > trying to talk of vayu tattwa here and establish > > punarvasu. > > Rama has exalted Mars and that itself is enough to > > make him a good general. We need not look at star's > > caste to establish that. > > Let us forget our own theories and worship Rama. > > > > warm regards, > > Balaji S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Rama was born on Sukla Navami tithi with > > > exalted Sun. So Moon can > > > > only be in Pushyami or Asresha. Period. Read my > > > earlier post for the > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to approach the question from a different > > > point of view. Sanjayji taught that Lagna Nakshatra > > > will indicate the native's intelligence, while the > > > Janma Nakshatra will indicate his mindset. If we > > > assume that Rama's Lagna was in Punarvasu and Moon > > > in Pushya, this I think is acceptable, as there's a > > > lot of similarity between the two Nakshatras, while > > > Aslesha is quite different. Let's see some of them: > > > > > > Nakshatra Symbol Deity Caste Guna Sex > > > Gana Circle > > > > > > Punarvasu Bow Aditi Vaisya > > > Sattva Male Deva Vayu > > > Pushya Arrow Brihaspati Ksatriya Tamas > > > Male Deva Agni > > > Aslesha Snake Naga Outcaste Sattva > > > Female Raksasa Varuna > > > > > > So according to my opinion, Punarvasu and Pushya are > > > likely, however Aslesha not so much. So taking into > > > consideration what Narasimha says, I would allow for > > > the possibility that Lord Rama had Moon in Pushya > > > Nakshatra, because He was a Kshatriya, although the > > > Lagna in general would definitely indicate a > > > brahmin. He was expert at using bows and arrows, and > > > was confronted with the Tamas represented by Ravana. > > > Agni Tattwa would also be nicely expressed in His > > > lila of crossing over the ocean to get to Lanka. Soi > > > I definitely think that Pushya Nakshatra has a > > > chance to become His Janma Nakshatra, even if it's > > > not as prominent as Punarvasu, which is stronger. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > <gauranga@b...> > > > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > > > Jyotish Remedies: > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear Gauranga, Lord Rama's nakshatra was always believed to be punarvasu. We belong to the tradition of vaishnovites and all of us use that as the reference. That shouldn't be modified. None of us, despite our knowledge have the right to do. That is what is my contention. You are a bhaktha and I have respect for any bhaktha. At the same time, none of us have the liberty to modify the belief. I respect your scholarship. But, none of our knowledge can stand before the infinite god. That includes this fool (myself) also. warm regards, Balaji S. --- Gauranga Das <gauranga wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Balaji and Partha, > > Namaste. > > I wasn't really stating that my findings would > necessarily prove Pushyami as > Lord Rama's Janma Nakshatra. I just said that it > looked possible from thids > angle. However you have the greater difficulty if > you want to literally > follow shastra, because as Narasimha said, Rama's > birth on Navami Tithi can > only be explained with Moon in Pushya or Aslesha. So > if you blame me with > changing the statements of the Shastra, which I > really didin't do, what do > you do when stating that He was born not on Navami > but Ashtami? This is just > an exertcise, and none of us should seroisuly think > that the truth is > exclusively in his hands. Who is there who thinks he > is qualified to > manifest the truth about Lord Rama's chart? I'm > surprised how some > astrologers start fighting upon certain charts. I > had the same experience > with Srila Prabhupada's chart. There were some who > seriously believed that > he had Capricorn Lagna becase he stated that he was > born around 4pm. Some > others like Sanjayji was on the opinion that > Sagittairus more fits his life > events. I tried to do the same in this question. > There's so many other > things that we don;t know about Lord Rama's chart, > that hardly any one of us > could say that he has conclusively proven one > version or the other. But why > figth over this? naasav rishir asya matam na > bhinnam. Mahabharata states > that no one can claim to be a rishi unless his > opinion is different from > others. Of course this does not mena that we should > accept our own opinion > as the exclusive absolute truth. For example > Narasimha also takes Capricorn > lagna for Prabhupada, but neither I nor Sanjayji get > into a conflict with > him about that. So one of us may believe in > Punarvas, the other in Pushya, > but neither view is substanitated enough to exclude > the other one. I think > that maintaining the benefit of doubt, especially in > Bhagavan's chart, will > actualli increase our respect towards Him. Otherwise > we tend to take Him > under control by analysing His chart. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > > > Dear gauranga das > > WHat balaji has said is right. WE should not > tinker with lord's > > horoscope. you have used the theories of nakshatra > jaati, tatwa et al > > to prove that Rama was born in pushyami star. I > have given two posts > > (messages 11196, 11197) earlier regarding my > explanation. I am > > shuddering to think what would lord do to all of > us as we are trying > > to change his nakshatra. You are a learned pundit, > atleast you do > > not change the lord's nakshatrata. please i > request you, this is a > > very humble request. > > Regarding you other post on advicing for asking > questions i agree > > with you. I am not questioning any body's > sincerity here. please try > > to understand that. please do not make judgements. > i am very much > > delighted that your databank is proving very > useful to all of us. > > > > regards > > partha > > > > vedic astrology, balaji srinivasan > <sri_balaji> > > wrote: > > > Dear Gauranga, > > > > > > We should accept the traditional belief on Rama > and > > > not try to fit a new finding. Lord didn't burn > up the > > > ocean. If that is the case, then agni tattwa is > fine. > > > Actually he took the help of Hanuman in his > leela of > > > crossing the ocean who is the son of vayu. I am > not > > > trying to talk of vayu tattwa here and establish > > > punarvasu. > > > Rama has exalted Mars and that itself is enough > to > > > make him a good general. We need not look at > star's > > > caste to establish that. > > > Let us forget our own theories and worship Rama. > > > > > > warm regards, > > > Balaji S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Rama was born on Sukla Navami tithi with > > > > exalted Sun. So Moon can > > > > > only be in Pushyami or Asresha. Period. Read > my > > > > earlier post for the > > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to approach the question from a > different > > > > point of view. Sanjayji taught that Lagna > Nakshatra > > > > will indicate the native's intelligence, while > the > > > > Janma Nakshatra will indicate his mindset. If > we > > > > assume that Rama's Lagna was in Punarvasu and > Moon > > > > in Pushya, this I think is acceptable, as > there's a > > > > lot of similarity between the two Nakshatras, > while > > > > Aslesha is quite different. Let's see some of > them: > > > > > > > > Nakshatra Symbol Deity Caste Guna > Sex > > > > Gana Circle > > > > > > > > Punarvasu Bow Aditi Vaisya > > > > Sattva Male Deva Vayu > > > > Pushya Arrow Brihaspati Ksatriya > Tamas > > > > Male Deva Agni > > > > Aslesha Snake Naga Outcaste > Sattva > > > > Female Raksasa Varuna > > > > > > > > So according to my opinion, Punarvasu and > Pushya are > > > > likely, however Aslesha not so much. So taking > into > > > > consideration what Narasimha says, I would > allow for > > > > the possibility that Lord Rama had Moon in > Pushya > > > > Nakshatra, because He was a Kshatriya, > although the > > > > Lagna in general would definitely indicate a > > > > brahmin. He was expert at using bows and > arrows, and > > > > was confronted with the Tamas represented by > Ravana. > > > > Agni Tattwa would also be nicely expressed in > His > > > > lila of crossing over the ocean to get to > Lanka. Soi > > > > I definitely think that Pushya Nakshatra has a > > > > chance to become His Janma Nakshatra, even if > it's > > > > not as prominent as Punarvasu, which is > stronger. > === message truncated === Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear Gauranga das We respect your informed and intelligent opinions. We also respect the great traditions and scriptures of India. We respect all the great astrologers who are part of our list. We are servants of the almighty and we do not have any right to fight on 'HIS' charts. The great Rama stands for truth. He "IS" a very idealistic person and a great warrior-monk. We never intended to argue on anything. If the tone of our observations was argumentative then it was not intentional. In fact we never started any debate. We were just quoting from Valmiki's ramayana. I plead you to read my earlier posts on the same topic. I have mentioned the sloka from the ramayana. if you have further doubts then please read valmiki's Ramayana as you are well versed with sanskrit. Ramayana and Mahabharatha are the greatest epics of theworld. Even the greatest gyanis cannot comprehend the totality of these epics. One has to be pious and extremely humble to understand what valmiki and vyasa had said. Let us all pray Rama and forget what has happened before. Let us also not discuss this issue further. I do not know about 'you' or 'others' but i am a god fearing man, moreover a great believer of GOD. I do not want to get HIS wrath. regards partha vedic astrology, "Gauranga Das" <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Balaji and Partha, > > Namaste. > > I wasn't really stating that my findings would necessarily prove Pushyami as > Lord Rama's Janma Nakshatra. I just said that it looked possible from thids > angle. However you have the greater difficulty if you want to literally > follow shastra, because as Narasimha said, Rama's birth on Navami Tithi can > only be explained with Moon in Pushya or Aslesha. So if you blame me with > changing the statements of the Shastra, which I really didin't do, what do > you do when stating that He was born not on Navami but Ashtami? This is just > an exertcise, and none of us should seroisuly think that the truth is > exclusively in his hands. Who is there who thinks he is qualified to > manifest the truth about Lord Rama's chart? I'm surprised how some > astrologers start fighting upon certain charts. I had the same experience > with Srila Prabhupada's chart. There were some who seriously believed that > he had Capricorn Lagna becase he stated that he was born around 4pm. Some > others like Sanjayji was on the opinion that Sagittairus more fits his life > events. I tried to do the same in this question. There's so many other > things that we don;t know about Lord Rama's chart, that hardly any one of us > could say that he has conclusively proven one version or the other. But why > figth over this? naasav rishir asya matam na bhinnam. Mahabharata states > that no one can claim to be a rishi unless his opinion is different from > others. Of course this does not mena that we should accept our own opinion > as the exclusive absolute truth. For example Narasimha also takes Capricorn > lagna for Prabhupada, but neither I nor Sanjayji get into a conflict with > him about that. So one of us may believe in Punarvas, the other in Pushya, > but neither view is substanitated enough to exclude the other one. I think > that maintaining the benefit of doubt, especially in Bhagavan's chart, will > actualli increase our respect towards Him. Otherwise we tend to take Him > under control by analysing His chart. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga@b...> > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > > > Dear gauranga das > > WHat balaji has said is right. WE should not tinker with lord's > > horoscope. you have used the theories of nakshatra jaati, tatwa et al > > to prove that Rama was born in pushyami star. I have given two posts > > (messages 11196, 11197) earlier regarding my explanation. I am > > shuddering to think what would lord do to all of us as we are trying > > to change his nakshatra. You are a learned pundit, atleast you do > > not change the lord's nakshatrata. please i request you, this is a > > very humble request. > > Regarding you other post on advicing for asking questions i agree > > with you. I am not questioning any body's sincerity here. please try > > to understand that. please do not make judgements. i am very much > > delighted that your databank is proving very useful to all of us. > > > > regards > > partha > > > > vedic astrology, balaji srinivasan <sri_balaji> > > wrote: > > > Dear Gauranga, > > > > > > We should accept the traditional belief on Rama and > > > not try to fit a new finding. Lord didn't burn up the > > > ocean. If that is the case, then agni tattwa is fine. > > > Actually he took the help of Hanuman in his leela of > > > crossing the ocean who is the son of vayu. I am not > > > trying to talk of vayu tattwa here and establish > > > punarvasu. > > > Rama has exalted Mars and that itself is enough to > > > make him a good general. We need not look at star's > > > caste to establish that. > > > Let us forget our own theories and worship Rama. > > > > > > warm regards, > > > Balaji S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Rama was born on Sukla Navami tithi with > > > > exalted Sun. So Moon can > > > > > only be in Pushyami or Asresha. Period. Read my > > > > earlier post for the > > > > > logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to approach the question from a different > > > > point of view. Sanjayji taught that Lagna Nakshatra > > > > will indicate the native's intelligence, while the > > > > Janma Nakshatra will indicate his mindset. If we > > > > assume that Rama's Lagna was in Punarvasu and Moon > > > > in Pushya, this I think is acceptable, as there's a > > > > lot of similarity between the two Nakshatras, while > > > > Aslesha is quite different. Let's see some of them: > > > > > > > > Nakshatra Symbol Deity Caste Guna Sex > > > > Gana Circle > > > > > > > > Punarvasu Bow Aditi Vaisya > > > > Sattva Male Deva Vayu > > > > Pushya Arrow Brihaspati Ksatriya Tamas > > > > Male Deva Agni > > > > Aslesha Snake Naga Outcaste Sattva > > > > Female Raksasa Varuna > > > > > > > > So according to my opinion, Punarvasu and Pushya are > > > > likely, however Aslesha not so much. So taking into > > > > consideration what Narasimha says, I would allow for > > > > the possibility that Lord Rama had Moon in Pushya > > > > Nakshatra, because He was a Kshatriya, although the > > > > Lagna in general would definitely indicate a > > > > brahmin. He was expert at using bows and arrows, and > > > > was confronted with the Tamas represented by Ravana. > > > > Agni Tattwa would also be nicely expressed in His > > > > lila of crossing over the ocean to get to Lanka. Soi > > > > I definitely think that Pushya Nakshatra has a > > > > chance to become His Janma Nakshatra, even if it's > > > > not as prominent as Punarvasu, which is stronger. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > > <gauranga@b...> > > > > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > > > > Jyotish Remedies: > > > > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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