Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Members- Here is why I bring up the birth of Parikit Maharaj: " Maharaja Pariksit or even the Personality of Godhead appear in certain constellations of good stars, and thus the influence is exerted upon the body thus born at an auspicious moment." The idea is that if even incarnations and avatars and pure-hearted souls take birth in accordance to astrological indications, then what to speak of us? Some devotees of Krishna think that, because they took initiation from their guru, they are largely immune to astrological indications and to karma, or that their guru is immune to his horoscope because he is pure,or something like this, but we can see that even incarnations correspond to their charts. Dharmapada , 0108@t... wrote: > See The Birth of Parikshit Maharaj > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Hello, People need to obey the natural laws. Every soul is divine. Rama went through life of hardships. Krishna also went through hardships but he showed that he is beyond his body and showed miracles. Still he obeyed nature and he also died like others. God can go beyond natural laws, but he doesn't. The ultimate desire for avatars is to make man reach God. Guru's grace can help people who suffer. Often Faith is the key. Jesus used Faith to heal people and raised people from death. Lot of gurus have shown powers like that. When Life is there, death is there automatically. Some isolated miracles can't avoid death overall as it is natural order. Summarizing, Gurus and Avatars have Siddhis to master nature, they use them very rarely. A devotee needs to have belief in Guru. It is good to get the sense of protection. Even if one goes through problems, faith will see him through. A person who has gone beyond cause and effect NEED NOT obey karmic laws though for the purpose of showing normal people, they appear to go through it. When a person goes beyond body consciousness, diseases don't matter to him as he sees himself as the eternal self. Astrology ends when true spirituality dawns according to me. Parikshit could have taken help of Tantriks to ward off the death. He heard Lord's story and knew that body is like a cage, why fear the cage dropping off? He also had to atone for the sin arjuna committed when he destroyed a forest (lot of snakes died and Dakshaka vowed to take revenge). My feeling i, Use knowledge of Jyotish for prediction, remedies etc. But do guru bhakthi and prayers and self enquiry. They will help the soul to reach the true goal of final release. Getting a good guru is higher than getting a kingdom. Kingdom goes of at Death. A good guru guides the soul for moksha. What is better? OM sri Guruve Namah! warm regards, Balaji S. --- 0108 wrote: > Members- > > Here is why I bring up the birth of Parikit Maharaj: > > " Maharaja Pariksit or even the Personality of > Godhead appear in > certain constellations of good stars, and thus the > influence is > exerted upon the body thus born at an auspicious > moment." > > The idea is that if even incarnations and avatars > and pure-hearted > souls take birth in accordance to astrological > indications, then what > to speak of us? Some devotees of Krishna think that, > because they > took initiation from their guru, they are largely > immune to > astrological indications and to karma, or that their > guru is immune > to his horoscope because he is pure,or something > like this, but we > can see that even incarnations correspond to their > charts. > > Dharmapada > > , 0108@t... wrote: > > See The Birth of Parikshit Maharaj > > > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html > > Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Balaji, I agree with yr satement, The ONE who makes the LAW must also be subjected to the law (Even GOD) and HE does obey his own laws. > > balaji srinivasan [sMTP:sri_balaji] > Monday, November 19, 2001 2:43 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Even Incarnations Correspond > > Hello, > > People need to obey the natural laws. Every soul is > divine. Rama went through life of hardships. Krishna > also went through hardships but he showed that he is > beyond his body and showed miracles. Still he obeyed > nature and he also died like others. > > God can go beyond natural laws, but he doesn't. The > ultimate desire for avatars is to make man reach God. > Guru's grace can help people who suffer. Often Faith > is the key. Jesus used Faith to heal people and raised > people from death. Lot of gurus have shown powers like > that. When Life is there, death is there > automatically. > Some isolated miracles can't avoid death overall as it > is natural order. > > Summarizing, Gurus and Avatars have Siddhis to master > nature, they use them very rarely. > > A devotee needs to have belief in Guru. It is good to > get the sense of protection. Even if one goes through > problems, faith will see him through. > > A person who has gone beyond cause and effect NEED NOT > obey karmic laws though for the purpose of showing > normal people, they appear to go through it. > > When a person goes beyond body consciousness, diseases > don't matter to him as he sees himself as the eternal > self. > > Astrology ends when true spirituality dawns according > to me. > > Parikshit could have taken help of Tantriks to ward > off the death. He heard Lord's story and knew that > body is like a cage, why fear the cage dropping off? > He also had to atone for the sin arjuna committed when > he destroyed a forest (lot of snakes died and Dakshaka > vowed to take revenge). > > My feeling i, Use knowledge of Jyotish for prediction, > remedies etc. But do guru bhakthi and prayers and self > enquiry. They will help the soul to reach the true > goal of final release. Getting a good guru is higher > than getting a kingdom. Kingdom goes of at Death. A > good guru guides the soul for moksha. What is better? > > OM sri Guruve Namah! > > warm regards, > Balaji S. > > > --- 0108 wrote: > > Members- > > > > Here is why I bring up the birth of Parikit Maharaj: > > > > " Maharaja Pariksit or even the Personality of > > Godhead appear in > > certain constellations of good stars, and thus the > > influence is > > exerted upon the body thus born at an auspicious > > moment." > > > > The idea is that if even incarnations and avatars > > and pure-hearted > > souls take birth in accordance to astrological > > indications, then what > > to speak of us? Some devotees of Krishna think that, > > because they > > took initiation from their guru, they are largely > > immune to > > astrological indications and to karma, or that their > > guru is immune > > to his horoscope because he is pure,or something > > like this, but we > > can see that even incarnations correspond to their > > charts. > > > > Dharmapada > > > > , 0108@t... wrote: > > > See The Birth of Parikshit Maharaj > > > > > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html > > > > > > > > > Find the one for you at Personals > http://personals. > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 >Some devotees of Krishna think that, because they took initiation >from their guru, they are largely immune to astrological indications >and to karma, or that their guru is immune to his horoscope because >he is pure,or something like this, but we can see that even >incarnations correspond to their charts. Dear Dharmapada, Those, who control Indriyas, are immune to astrological indications. Why shud we bother abt astrological indications, if we would have sacrificed Materialstic world? Best Regards, Venkat > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Allow me to share my thinking. I do not think those who control indriyas are unaffected from Astrological indications. Paraprahsing what Narasimha has taught us re. Lagna, AL, dasas, etc. I think there are 3 main conditions: Actions (presented by nature); Reactions (of humans: includes mental and physical); and Perception (of those around you). I think Actions will continue to happen regardless. It is the reaction of the enlightened which will be different (which will probably be based on some devout principle and oblivious/indifferent to all other sensors). Ofcourse, the perception will depend upon the reaction. Best Regards, SA "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy on 11/19/2001 01:09:13 PM Please respond to vedic astrology vedic astrology cc: [vedic astrology] Re: Even Incarnations Correspond >Some devotees of Krishna think that, because they took initiation >from their guru, they are largely immune to astrological indications >and to karma, or that their guru is immune to his horoscope because >he is pure,or something like this, but we can see that even >incarnations correspond to their charts. Dear Dharmapada, Those, who control Indriyas, are immune to astrological indications. Why shud we bother abt astrological indications, if we would have sacrificed Materialstic world? Best Regards, Venkat > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha! ---- Dear Venkatesh & Sanjiv, Those who control the indriyas, are still under gods hand, and what better way to messure this, than astrology. I personally love Balaji's reply. Best wishes, Visti. --- Sanjiv Aggarwal/CanWest/IBM <sanjiv wrote: > > Allow me to share my thinking. > > I do not think those who control indriyas are > unaffected from Astrological > indications. Paraprahsing what Narasimha has taught > us re. Lagna, AL, > dasas, etc. I think there are 3 main conditions: > Actions (presented by > nature); Reactions (of humans: includes mental and > physical); and > Perception (of those around you). > > I think Actions will continue to happen regardless. > It is the reaction of > the enlightened which will be different (which will > probably be based on > some devout principle and oblivious/indifferent to > all other sensors). > Ofcourse, the perception will depend upon the > reaction. > > > Best Regards, > > SA > > > "Venkateshwara A Reddy" > <venkateshwara_reddy on 11/19/2001 > 01:09:13 PM > > Please respond to vedic astrology > > vedic astrology > cc: > [vedic astrology] Re: Even Incarnations > Correspond > > > >Some devotees of Krishna think that, because they > took initiation > >from their guru, they are largely immune to > astrological indications > >and to karma, or that their guru is immune to his > horoscope because > >he is pure,or something like this, but we can see > that even > >incarnations correspond to their charts. > > Dear Dharmapada, > > Those, who control Indriyas, are immune to > astrological indications. > Why shud we bother abt astrological indications, if > we would have > sacrificed Materialstic world? > > Best Regards, Venkat > > > > > > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Dear Vissie, Thanks! God bless us all. warm regards, Balaji S. --- Vissie Moodley <VMoodley wrote: > Balaji, > I agree with yr satement, The ONE who makes > the LAW must also > be subjected to the law (Even GOD) and HE does obey > his own laws. > > > > > > balaji srinivasan > [sMTP:sri_balaji] > > Monday, November 19, 2001 2:43 PM > > vedic astrology > > Re: [vedic astrology] Even Incarnations > Correspond > > > > Hello, > > > > People need to obey the natural laws. Every soul > is > > divine. Rama went through life of hardships. > Krishna > > also went through hardships but he showed that he > is > > beyond his body and showed miracles. Still he > obeyed > > nature and he also died like others. > > > > God can go beyond natural laws, but he doesn't. > The > > ultimate desire for avatars is to make man reach > God. > > Guru's grace can help people who suffer. Often > Faith > > is the key. Jesus used Faith to heal people and > raised > > people from death. Lot of gurus have shown powers > like > > that. When Life is there, death is there > > automatically. > > Some isolated miracles can't avoid death overall > as it > > is natural order. > > > > Summarizing, Gurus and Avatars have Siddhis to > master > > nature, they use them very rarely. > > > > A devotee needs to have belief in Guru. It is good > to > > get the sense of protection. Even if one goes > through > > problems, faith will see him through. > > > > A person who has gone beyond cause and effect NEED > NOT > > obey karmic laws though for the purpose of showing > > normal people, they appear to go through it. > > > > When a person goes beyond body consciousness, > diseases > > don't matter to him as he sees himself as the > eternal > > self. > > > > Astrology ends when true spirituality dawns > according > > to me. > > > > Parikshit could have taken help of Tantriks to > ward > > off the death. He heard Lord's story and knew that > > body is like a cage, why fear the cage dropping > off? > > He also had to atone for the sin arjuna committed > when > > he destroyed a forest (lot of snakes died and > Dakshaka > > vowed to take revenge). > > > > My feeling i, Use knowledge of Jyotish for > prediction, > > remedies etc. But do guru bhakthi and prayers and > self > > enquiry. They will help the soul to reach the true > > goal of final release. Getting a good guru is > higher > > than getting a kingdom. Kingdom goes of at Death. > A > > good guru guides the soul for moksha. What is > better? > > > > OM sri Guruve Namah! > > > > warm regards, > > Balaji S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- 0108 wrote: > > > Members- > > > > > > Here is why I bring up the birth of Parikit > Maharaj: > > > > > > " Maharaja Pariksit or even the Personality of > > > Godhead appear in > > > certain constellations of good stars, and thus > the > > > influence is > > > exerted upon the body thus born at an auspicious > > > moment." > > > > > > The idea is that if even incarnations and > avatars > > > and pure-hearted > > > souls take birth in accordance to astrological > > > indications, then what > > > to speak of us? Some devotees of Krishna think > that, > > > because they > > > took initiation from their guru, they are > largely > > > immune to > > > astrological indications and to karma, or that > their > > > guru is immune > > > to his horoscope because he is pure,or something > > > like this, but we > > > can see that even incarnations correspond to > their > > > charts. > > > > > > Dharmapada > > > > > > , 0108@t... wrote: > > > > See The Birth of Parikshit Maharaj > > > > > > > > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find the one for you at Personals > > http://personals. > > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Dear Venkatesh, I disagree that those who control the indriyas are free from astrological indications. That was the whole point, that even the lives of incarnations and pure souls correspond to their horoscopes. " Maharaja Pariksit or even the Personality of Godhead appear in certain constellations of good stars, and thus the influence is exerted upon the body thus born at an auspicious moment. The most auspicious constellation of stars takes place during the appearance of the Lord in this material world, and it is specifically called jayanti, a word not to be abused for any other purposes. Maharaja Pariksit was not only a great ksatriya emperor, but also a great devotee of the Lord. Thus he cannot take his birth at any inauspicious moment. As a proper place and time is selected to receive a respectable personage, so also to receive such a personality as Maharaja Pariksit, who was especially cared for by the Supreme Lord, a suitable moment is chosen when all good stars assembled together to exert their influence upon the King." >From the commentary on Canto 1, Chapter 12 of the Bhagavat Purana, by A C Bhaktivedanta Swami, Prabhupada. http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html Dharmapada vedic astrology, "Venkateshwara A Reddy" <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: > >Some devotees of Krishna think that, because they took initiation > >from their guru, they are largely immune to astrological indications > >and to karma, or that their guru is immune to his horoscope because > >he is pure,or something like this, but we can see that even > >incarnations correspond to their charts. > > Dear Dharmapada, > > Those, who control Indriyas, are immune to astrological indications. > Why shud we bother abt astrological indications, if we would have > sacrificed Materialstic world? > > Best Regards, Venkat > > > > > > http://skywebsite.com/hollow//id20.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Namaste to All, Any thoughts on the effect of the nakshatra Abhijit in incarnation? Best, Karyne ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Hello, Abhijit will lead to interesting discussion. Scholars like PVN can give us more light on this as to why this didn't find a place later. I think Lord's vamana avatar happened in this star. He finally measured all the three worlds and hence called 'Trivikrama'. There is abhijit muhurtha which is preferred for lot of good deeds. I am quoting from a book by K.T.Subhakaran the details about this star: spans 276.40 degrees to 280.13 degrees. The deity of the star is Brahma. People who are born around midnight or midday may have the luck of born under the muhurtha. There needs to be correction as it is not 12:00 always. It is influenced by the 'Sun Rise'. For example if Sun rise was at 7:00 AM, then Midday will be 1:00 PM and Midnight will also be 1:00 PM ( I am assuming equal duration for day and night and this is again wrong)! You can get the duration of the day and check the midday and do the same for midnight also. Then the abhijit muhurtha is effective with in the range of +/-28minutes. warm regards, Balaji S. --- "Karyne E. Thompson" <karyne wrote: > > Namaste to All, > > Any thoughts on the effect of the nakshatra Abhijit > in incarnation? > > Best, Karyne > ______________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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