Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 dear dasgupta Planets have the following natural karakatwas lordship placement aspects and ownership thus mars and saturn are karakas for 6th, 10th, 3rd etc. jupiter is a natural karaka for 5th house, even though he may be the ruler of 9th and 12 of zodiac. he is also the karaka for 9th house. in your own chart satrun , jupiter may rule certain houses. therefore through lordship they become karakas for that house. sun is karak for profession. thus his placement is very important. he is 9th lord for sag lagna , but that doesn't disqualify him from being a natural karak for profession. regards partha - In vedic astrology, "J.K.Dasgupta" <jkdasgupta_in> wrote: > Respected Mr. Iyer, > > Namaste. > > I have a little doubt. You have written that Saturn is natural indicator of 6H. But it is the lord of 10H & 11H of natural zodiac- then how it can be natural indicator of 6H? > > Regards, > > Dasgupta > - > Narayan Iyer > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:50 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)(dear L Brahma) > > > Sri Sri Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Partha, Balaji & Brahma, > > The reason why Saturn in 12H gives VRY is because Saturn is natural > indicator of the 6H...and hence gives VRY in 12H!!!! > > Regards > -Narayan > > > > vedic astrology, "lakshman jagannath" <lbrahma@h...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Visti & Partha, > > Yes Sa for Ta is a RYK and if placed in 12th gives a strong VRY. > Shri rathji > > in his book COVA has explained the example of mr.K karunakaran > where you can > > see the Functioning of VRY.( He is Ta ascendant with Sa in 12th.) > > My question is during saade sathi which begins when Sa is in 12th > from mo. > > My chart is a unique in its way. I have Ta Lagna with Sa placed in > > 7th(Scorpio). I also have Mo in Ge.hence when Sa was transiting > 12th, It was > > actually 11th from mo. Now Sa is in Ta, aspecting natal sa. but > being in > > 12th from Mo, it has given rise to some worries. But I need to see > the > > effects.My question was whether it will be as severe as in other > cases or > > Mild being a strong RYK for Ta Lagna. > > Thanks and with best regards > > > > L Brahma > > > > > > > > > > >partvinu5 > > >vedic astrology > > >vedic astrology > > >[vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)(dear L Brahma) > > >Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:21:19 -0000 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84 > > >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBDB0BEA9009940043209D8736044832E28; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 > 21:23:28 -0800 > > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n18. with NNFMP; 06 > Nov 2001 > > >05:21:25 -0000 > > >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 32673 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 - > 0000 > > >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv. > with > > >QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO n5.) 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Saturn is the > planet who > > > > >evokes awe and fear by laymen for vvarious reasons. Saturn is a > > > > >planet of separative nergy. He is the planet of del;ays and > > > > >frustration. > > > > >Saturn is much maligned but one should not forget that he is a > > >great > > > > >spiritual teacher. He has the great prowess to unlock the > mysteries > > > > >of life's purpose. THose souls who run after materialistic > lifes > > >are > > > > >given from time to tiem lessons by saturn which make them go > > >towards > > > > >a path of renunciation and attainment of nirvana. > > > > >Saturn placed in differnt houses for different lagnas gives > > >differnt > > > > >results. > > > > >He is a great benific for the taurus and libra ascendant > natives. > > >His > > > > >placement in kendras and konas gives tremendous results if it > is > > >also > > > > >placed in shubha vargas. > > > > >For simha and kataka lagna natives saturn gives a lot of > trouble > > >due > > > > >to his lordship. Some authors oppine that saturn in 3rd, 6th > and > > >11th > > > > >house is good and gives good results. But he gives troubles > during > > > > >travel, service and dealings due to the same placements. > > > > >Saturn is a planet of rigor and research. He is the chief > karaka > > >for > > > > >bondage, toiling, hardwork, law, farming, engineering, > construction > > > > >etc. > > > > >Saturn gives tears and subsequent joy. He if placed in karma > sthana > > > > >can mean rise and fall which is unexpected and swift. > > > > >In 7th he can give a wife who at least looks older to the > native. > > > > >In 8th he gives trouble to finances and makes the native > suffer for > > > > >his past karma. > > > > >I would explain any queries related to this article. > > > > > > > > > > may god bless you all > > > > >Regards > > > > >partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Dear Partha, Thanks, can you please list natural karakas for all planets? BTY, you have mentioned about my chart. Few weeks back I posted rectification of my chart in the list. Can you comment on that? Best wishes, Dasgupta - partvinu5 vedic astrology Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:39 AM [vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)dear dasgupta dear dasguptaPlanets have the followingnatural karakatwaslordshipplacementaspects and ownershipthus mars and saturn are karakas for 6th, 10th, 3rd etc.jupiter is a natural karaka for 5th house, even though he may be the ruler of 9th and 12 of zodiac. he is also the karaka for 9th house. in your own chart satrun , jupiter may rule certain houses. therefore through lordship they become karakas for that house.sun is karak for profession. thus his placement is very important. he is 9th lord for sag lagna , but that doesn't disqualify him from being a natural karak for profession.regardspartha- In vedic astrology, "J.K.Dasgupta" <jkdasgupta_in> wrote:> Respected Mr. Iyer,> > Namaste.> > I have a little doubt. You have written that Saturn is natural indicator of 6H. But it is the lord of 10H & 11H of natural zodiac-then how it can be natural indicator of 6H?> > Regards,> > Dasgupta> - > Narayan Iyer > vedic astrology > Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:50 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)(dear L Brahma)> > > Sri Sri Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Partha, Balaji & Brahma,> > The reason why Saturn in 12H gives VRY is because Saturn is natural > indicator of the 6H...and hence gives VRY in 12H!!!!> > Regards> -Narayan> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "lakshman jagannath" <lbrahma@h...> > wrote:> > > > Dear Visti & Partha,> > Yes Sa for Ta is a RYK and if placed in 12th gives a strong VRY. > Shri rathji > > in his book COVA has explained the example of mr.K karunakaran > where you can > > see the Functioning of VRY.( He is Ta ascendant with Sa in 12th.)> > My question is during saade sathi which begins when Sa is in 12th > from mo.> > My chart is a unique in its way. I have Ta Lagna with Sa placed in > > 7th(Scorpio). I also have Mo in Ge.hence when Sa was transiting > 12th, It was > > actually 11th from mo. Now Sa is in Ta, aspecting natal sa. but > being in > > 12th from Mo, it has given rise to some worries. But I need to see > the > > effects.My question was whether it will be as severe as in other > cases or > > Mild being a strong RYK for Ta Lagna.> > Thanks and with best regards> > > > L Brahma> > > > > > > > > > >partvinu5> > >vedic astrology> > >To: vedic astrology> > >[vedic astrology] Re: SATURN (Article)(dear L Brahma)> > >Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:21:19 -0000> > >MIME-Version: 1.0> > >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84> > >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBDB0BEA9009940043209D8736044832E28; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 > 21:23:28 -0800> > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n18. with NNFMP; 06 > Nov 2001 > > >05:21:25 -0000> > >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000> > >Received: (qmail 32673 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -> 0000> > >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv. > with > > >QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:21:22 -0000> > >Received: from unknown (HELO n5.) (216.115.96.55) > by > > >mta2.grp.snv. with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 05:21:20 -0000> > >Received: from [10.1.10.93] by n5. with NNFMP; 06 > Nov 2001 > > >05:21:20 -0000> > >From sentto-1229044-7073-1005024083-lbrahma Mon, 05 Nov 2001 > 21:23:44 -0800> > >X-eGroups-Return: > > >sentto-1229044-7073-1005024083-lbrahma=hotmail.com@r...> > >X-Sender: partvinu5> > >X-Apparently-vedic astrology> > >X-eGroups-Return: partvinu5> > >Message-ID: <9s7s0f+k1ng@e...>> > >In-<F175V3lP7aVh4MC8dtJ00021370@h...>> > >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82> > >X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster> > >X--Profile: partvinu5> > >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact > > >vedic astrology-owner> > >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology> > >Precedence: bulk> > >List-Un: <vedic astrology->> > >> > >> > >dear L brahma> > >even for libra and taurus ascendants saturn should be well placed. > he> > >should not be afflicted and badly placed!> > >though i must confess that for libra and taurus ascendants saturn> > >does less harm than other ascendants as saturn is a great friend of> > >venus, the lagna lord for libra nad taurus ascendants.> > >regards> > >partha> > >> > >--- In vedic astrology, "lakshman jagannath" <lbrahma@h...>> > >wrote:> > > > Hi Partha,> > > > As Sa is a RYK for Taurus and Libra ascendants could you also> > >explain> > > > somthing as regards to the 71/2 years (saade saathi) effects> > >(Transit> > > > effects). will they be different or will be same as regards > other> > > > ascendants.?> > > >> > > > Thanks and with best regards> > > >> > > > L Brahma> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >partvinu5> > > > > vedic astrology> > > > >vedic astrology> > > > >Subject: [vedic astrology] SATURN (Article)> > > > >Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:11:59 -0000> > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0> > > > >X-Originating-IP: 203.90.93.84> > > > >Received: from [216.115.96.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP > id> > > > >MHotMailBDAD36F6005740043155D8736044DD38221; Sat, 03 Nov 2001> > >05:13:45> > > > >-0800> > > > >Received: from [10.1.1.221] by n18. with > NNFMP; 03> > >Nov 2001> > > > >13:12:05 -0000> > > > >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000> > > > >Received: (qmail 64892 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 > 13:12:01 -> > >0000> > > > >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by > m3.grp.snv.> > >with QMQP;> > > > >3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000> > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO n24.)> > >(216.115.96.74) by> > > > >mta3.grp.snv. with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0000> > > > >Received: from [10.1.10.66] by n24. with > NNFMP; 03> > >Nov 2001> > > > >13:12:01 -0000> > > > >From sentto-1229044-7005-1004793122-lbrahma Sat, 03 Nov 2001> > >05:15:05 -0800> > > > >X-eGroups-Return:> > > > >sentto-1229044-7005-1004793122-lbrahma=hotmail.com@r...> > > > >X-Sender: partvinu5> > > > >X-Apparently-vedic astrology> > > > >X-eGroups-Return: partvinu5> > > > >Message-ID: <9s0qev+fb36@e...>> > > > >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82> > > > >X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster> > > > >X--Profile: partvinu5> > > > >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact> > > > >vedic astrology-owner> > > > >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology> > > > >Precedence: bulk> > > > >List-Un: <vedic astrology->> > > > >> > > > >The subject which i am discussing today has been discussed > already> > > > >many atimes by eminent astrologers and pundits.> > > > > But i feel there is a lot of research yet to be done on the > role> > >of> > > > >saturn in the realms of mundane astrology. Saturn is the > planet who> > > > >evokes awe and fear by laymen for vvarious reasons. Saturn is a> > > > >planet of separative nergy. He is the planet of del;ays and> > > > >frustration.> > > > >Saturn is much maligned but one should not forget that he is a> > >great> > > > >spiritual teacher. He has the great prowess to unlock the > mysteries> > > > >of life's purpose. THose souls who run after materialistic > lifes> > >are> > > > >given from time to tiem lessons by saturn which make them go> > >towards> > > > >a path of renunciation and attainment of nirvana.> > > > >Saturn placed in differnt houses for different lagnas gives> > >differnt> > > > >results.> > > > >He is a great benific for the taurus and libra ascendant > natives.> > >His> > > > >placement in kendras and konas gives tremendous results if it > is> > >also> > > > >placed in shubha vargas.> > > > >For simha and kataka lagna natives saturn gives a lot of > trouble> > >due> > > > >to his lordship. Some authors oppine that saturn in 3rd, 6th > and> > >11th> > > > >house is good and gives good results. But he gives troubles > during> > > > >travel, service and dealings due to the same placements.> > > > >Saturn is a planet of rigor and research. He is the chief > karaka> > >for> > > > >bondage, toiling, hardwork, law, farming, engineering, > construction> > > > >etc.> > > > >Saturn gives tears and subsequent joy. He if placed in karma > sthana> > > > >can mean rise and fall which is unexpected and swift.> > > > >In 7th he can give a wife who at least looks older to the > native.> > > > >In 8th he gives trouble to finances and makes the native > suffer for> > > > >his past karma.> > > > >I would explain any queries related to this article.> > > > >> > > > > may god bless you all> > > > >Regards> > > > >partha> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________> > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at> > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp> > >> > > > > > _______________> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp> > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Hello all & namaste, There are also house karakas apart from lordship as follows: 1st house: Sun 2nd house: Jupiter 3rd house: Mars 4th house: Moon & Mercury 5th house: Jupiter 6th house: Mars & Saturn 7th house: Venus 8th house: Saturn 9th house: Jupiter & Sun 10th house: Sun, Mercury, Jupiter & Saturn 11th house: Jupiter 12th house: Saturn Even with mitigating conditions, such as good rulership, house karakas posited in the houses for which they are karakas can spoil the significations of the house. In my chart, I have 3 such examples. The one that I can totally relate to so far is Saturn in 12th, representing many sleepless nights ! Best regards, Karyne ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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