Note on Pravrajya Yogas reply from partha

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Dear Partha

 

There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in the charts of the

spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These include yogs which actually

destroy the need to achieve material glory, etc (RYs), such as 4+ planets

in a kendra, etc which confuse such an otherwise good house (MY

interpretation). These yogas are of various forms, as per the focus/ intent

of the renunciation. A short summary of Pravrajya related yogas from my

notes, is provided below for junta's benefit (these are MY notes collated,

NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these out, dont use as gospel).

 

PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of yesterday, erratically. And

I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but cdnt see it in my in-box, so

composed it all over again & sent, & both reached eventually. Happens!

 

§ Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr pwr (= opp of RYs), ii) no

ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth Chptrs), iii) no luv fr mrg

(see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv) no lust fr money (see daridra

yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12= destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

mokshkrk:

a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in 12: Ra= matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

showy/ lyk butiful things.

b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs unwanted loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss of RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

yog.

c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/ Jp/ Ke affecg 12= sprtlsm,

affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or kns to them in d-1/ d-9.

d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/ ld.lg, also assocn of Jp with St/

Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB in 12 cd also be= spirtlity

as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr to perform= spiritlty/

renuncn.

So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep spirtlism. Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana. c) St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7 fm AL. Austerity/ dedicn: St/

Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St alone asps ld.lg or vice

versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/ syn-asp)= famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

& Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref TapaswiYg= St/ Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg= Sn/ Mn/ Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if incld ld.10= reach hvn aftr

dth.

4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with 2 fm UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb in d-1/ d-9= UP spoilt.

Rejecn.Spous: UP/ Ve in 12 fm AL/ NvmLg rspcvly. Chastity: Jp (as=

ld.xltn.Ve) in kn to NvmLg or to Mc (as = ld.deb.Ve). Ke curtails sex, esp

if influence 2 in d-9. Celibacy: see hses rel to UP & 2.UP, 5, L5, & ref

spiritlty yogas. Fake chastity (uncontrolld sex): Ke in Lg in d-1/d-9 & asp

by St & unaffecd by Ve (if Ve affects= tapaswi yog).

 

Regards

 

nandan

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dear nandan

that is what even i am trying to say. these great

people are my idols and they do not have raja yogas.i

was hammering away the same point. you were the first

person to catch the point. it is not necessary to have

raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter with ketu

in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from lagna,

saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am more

spiritual than people think i am. i hate people who

show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge but try

to pose of as knowledgable people. another point is i

am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i am very

much worried about worldly success, having many

vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

known.(despite not having any freinds, not being a

group person).

please do not wrtie short cut language. i do not

understand. i am a very stratight forward person and

understand only a simple language.

regards

partha

 

--- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

>

> Dear Partha

>

> There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in the

> charts of the

> spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These

> include yogs which actually

> destroy the need to achieve material glory, etc

> (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> in a kendra, etc which confuse such an otherwise

> good house (MY

> interpretation). These yogas are of various forms,

> as per the focus/ intent

> of the renunciation. A short summary of Pravrajya

> related yogas from my

> notes, is provided below for junta's benefit (these

> are MY notes collated,

> NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these out,

> dont use as gospel).

>

> PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of

> yesterday, erratically. And

> I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but cdnt see

> it in my in-box, so

> composed it all over again & sent, & both reached

> eventually. Happens!

>

> § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr pwr (=

> opp of RYs), ii) no

> ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth Chptrs),

> iii) no luv fr mrg

> (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv) no

> lust fr money (see daridra

> yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> mokshkrk:

> a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in 12: Ra=

> matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> showy/ lyk butiful things.

> b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs unwanted

> loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss of

> RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> yog.

> c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/ Jp/ Ke

> affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or kns to

> them in d-1/ d-9.

> d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/ ld.lg,

> also assocn of Jp with St/

> Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB in 12

> cd also be= spirtlity

> as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

> HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

> L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr to

> perform= spiritlty/

> renuncn.

> So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep spirtlism.

> Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

> RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana. c)

> St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

> 2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7 fm AL.

> Austerity/ dedicn: St/

> Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St alone

> asps ld.lg or vice

> versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/ syn-asp)=

> famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

> & Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref TapaswiYg= St/

> Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

> Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg= Sn/ Mn/

> Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

> Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

> 3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if incld

> ld.10= reach hvn aftr

> dth.

> 4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with 2 fm

> UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

> renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb in

> d-1/ d-9= UP spoilt.

> Rejecn.Spous: UP/ Ve in 12 fm AL/ NvmLg rspcvly.

> Chastity: Jp (as=

> ld.xltn.Ve) in kn to NvmLg or to Mc (as =

> ld.deb.Ve). Ke curtails sex, esp

> if influence 2 in d-9. Celibacy: see hses rel to UP

> & 2.UP, 5, L5, & ref

> spiritlty yogas. Fake chastity (uncontrolld sex): Ke

> in Lg in d-1/d-9 & asp

> by St & unaffecd by Ve (if Ve affects= tapaswi yog).

>

> Regards

>

> nandan

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Partha!

 

You are mixing two different things. Having pravrajya yoga is one thing and

becoming famous another. There are many saints, perfect pravrajya, however

they are not famous. See the charts of famous saints, you will find strong

planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha Lagna. Fame needs some kind of

Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic gains or fame depending on various

other factors and the way it expresses.

 

Just think if it make some sense.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

-

"partha sarathy" <partvinu5

<vedic astrology>

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re: [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

partha

 

 

> dear nandan

> that is what even i am trying to say. these great

> people are my idols and they do not have raja yogas.i

> was hammering away the same point. you were the first

> person to catch the point. it is not necessary to have

> raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter with ketu

> in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from lagna,

> saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am more

> spiritual than people think i am. i hate people who

> show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge but try

> to pose of as knowledgable people. another point is i

> am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i am very

> much worried about worldly success, having many

> vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> known.(despite not having any freinds, not being a

> group person).

> please do not wrtie short cut language. i do not

> understand. i am a very stratight forward person and

> understand only a simple language.

> regards

> partha

>

> --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> >

> > Dear Partha

> >

> > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in the

> > charts of the

> > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These

> > include yogs which actually

> > destroy the need to achieve material glory, etc

> > (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> > in a kendra, etc which confuse such an otherwise

> > good house (MY

> > interpretation). These yogas are of various forms,

> > as per the focus/ intent

> > of the renunciation. A short summary of Pravrajya

> > related yogas from my

> > notes, is provided below for junta's benefit (these

> > are MY notes collated,

> > NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these out,

> > dont use as gospel).

> >

> > PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of

> > yesterday, erratically. And

> > I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but cdnt see

> > it in my in-box, so

> > composed it all over again & sent, & both reached

> > eventually. Happens!

> >

> > § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr pwr (=

> > opp of RYs), ii) no

> > ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth Chptrs),

> > iii) no luv fr mrg

> > (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv) no

> > lust fr money (see daridra

> > yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> > 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> > destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> > mokshkrk:

> > a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in 12: Ra=

> > matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> > showy/ lyk butiful things.

> > b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs unwanted

> > loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> > vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss of

> > RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> > yog.

> > c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/ Jp/ Ke

> > affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> > affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or kns to

> > them in d-1/ d-9.

> > d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/ ld.lg,

> > also assocn of Jp with St/

> > Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB in 12

> > cd also be= spirtlity

> > as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

> > HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

> > L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr to

> > perform= spiritlty/

> > renuncn.

> > So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep spirtlism.

> > Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

> > RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana. c)

> > St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

> > 2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7 fm AL.

> > Austerity/ dedicn: St/

> > Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St alone

> > asps ld.lg or vice

> > versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/ syn-asp)=

> > famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

> > & Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref TapaswiYg= St/

> > Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

> > Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg= Sn/ Mn/

> > Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

> > Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

> > 3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if incld

> > ld.10= reach hvn aftr

> > dth.

> > 4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with 2 fm

> > UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

> > renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb in

> > d-1/ d-9= UP spoilt.

> > Rejecn.Spous: UP/ Ve in 12 fm AL/ NvmLg rspcvly.

> > Chastity: Jp (as=

> > ld.xltn.Ve) in kn to NvmLg or to Mc (as =

> > ld.deb.Ve). Ke curtails sex, esp

> > if influence 2 in d-9. Celibacy: see hses rel to UP

> > & 2.UP, 5, L5, & ref

> > spiritlty yogas. Fake chastity (uncontrolld sex): Ke

> > in Lg in d-1/d-9 & asp

> > by St & unaffecd by Ve (if Ve affects= tapaswi yog).

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > nandan

> >

> >

>

>

>

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dear sarajit

i do agree with your point. but i do not agree to the

point that Swamis need raja yogas to be famous.raja

yoga give power authority, fame etc but do are not

good enough to explain the greatness of some great

saints. you take up chart of jesus and sai baba and

tell me what is that 'raja yoga' that they have. if

you prove to me that great saints have become great

due to raja yogas i will agree to your point. becoming

famous does not need raja yogas i repeat.

regards

partha

 

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Dear Partha!

>

> You are mixing two different things. Having

> pravrajya yoga is one thing and

> becoming famous another. There are many saints,

> perfect pravrajya, however

> they are not famous. See the charts of famous

> saints, you will find strong

> planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha Lagna.

> Fame needs some kind of

> Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic gains or

> fame depending on various

> other factors and the way it expresses.

>

> Just think if it make some sense.

>

> Regards

> Sarajit

>

> -

> "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> <vedic astrology>

> Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

> Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> partha

>

>

> > dear nandan

> > that is what even i am trying to say. these great

> > people are my idols and they do not have raja

> yogas.i

> > was hammering away the same point. you were the

> first

> > person to catch the point. it is not necessary to

> have

> > raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter with

> ketu

> > in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from

> lagna,

> > saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am more

> > spiritual than people think i am. i hate people

> who

> > show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge but

> try

> > to pose of as knowledgable people. another point

> is i

> > am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i am

> very

> > much worried about worldly success, having many

> > vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> > known.(despite not having any freinds, not being a

> > group person).

> > please do not wrtie short cut language. i do not

> > understand. i am a very stratight forward person

> and

> > understand only a simple language.

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Partha

> > >

> > > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in

> the

> > > charts of the

> > > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These

> > > include yogs which actually

> > > destroy the need to achieve material glory, etc

> > > (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> > > in a kendra, etc which confuse such an otherwise

> > > good house (MY

> > > interpretation). These yogas are of various

> forms,

> > > as per the focus/ intent

> > > of the renunciation. A short summary of

> Pravrajya

> > > related yogas from my

> > > notes, is provided below for junta's benefit

> (these

> > > are MY notes collated,

> > > NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these

> out,

> > > dont use as gospel).

> > >

> > > PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of

> > > yesterday, erratically. And

> > > I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but cdnt

> see

> > > it in my in-box, so

> > > composed it all over again & sent, & both

> reached

> > > eventually. Happens!

> > >

> > > § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr

> pwr (=

> > > opp of RYs), ii) no

> > > ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth

> Chptrs),

> > > iii) no luv fr mrg

> > > (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv) no

> > > lust fr money (see daridra

> > > yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> > > 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> > > destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> > > mokshkrk:

> > > a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in 12:

> Ra=

> > > matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> > > showy/ lyk butiful things.

> > > b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs

> unwanted

> > > loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> > > vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss

> of

> > > RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> > > yog.

> > > c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/ Jp/

> Ke

> > > affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> > > affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or kns

> to

> > > them in d-1/ d-9.

> > > d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/ ld.lg,

> > > also assocn of Jp with St/

> > > Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB in

> 12

> > > cd also be= spirtlity

> > > as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

> > > HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

> > > L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr to

> > > perform= spiritlty/

> > > renuncn.

> > > So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep

> spirtlism.

> > > Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

> > > RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana.

> c)

> > > St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

> > > 2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7 fm

> AL.

> > > Austerity/ dedicn: St/

> > > Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St

> alone

> > > asps ld.lg or vice

> > > versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/

> syn-asp)=

> > > famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

> > > & Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref TapaswiYg=

> St/

> > > Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

> > > Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg= Sn/

> Mn/

> > > Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

> > > Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

> > > 3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if

> incld

> > > ld.10= reach hvn aftr

> > > dth.

> > > 4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with 2

> fm

> > > UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

> > > renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb

> in

> > > d-1/ d-9= UP spoilt.

> > > Rejecn.Spous: UP/ Ve in 12 fm AL/ NvmLg rspcvly.

> > > Chastity: Jp (as=

> > > ld.xltn.Ve) in kn to NvmLg or to Mc (as =

> > > ld.deb.Ve). Ke curtails sex, esp

> > > if influence 2 in d-9. Celibacy: see hses rel to

> UP

> > > & 2.UP, 5, L5, & ref

> > > spiritlty yogas. Fake chastity (uncontrolld

> sex): Ke

> > > in Lg in d-1/d-9 & asp

> > > by St & unaffecd by Ve (if Ve affects= tapaswi

> yog).

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > nandan

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Partha

 

You wouldnot have known the greatness of those saints, if they were not

famous. Rest after I see Jesus's Horoscope. Can you please send me the

details of Sai Baba!

 

Bye

Sarajit

 

-

"partha sarathy" <partvinu5

<vedic astrology>

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:31 PM

Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re: [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

partha

 

 

> dear sarajit

> i do agree with your point. but i do not agree to the

> point that Swamis need raja yogas to be famous.raja

> yoga give power authority, fame etc but do are not

> good enough to explain the greatness of some great

> saints. you take up chart of jesus and sai baba and

> tell me what is that 'raja yoga' that they have. if

> you prove to me that great saints have become great

> due to raja yogas i will agree to your point. becoming

> famous does not need raja yogas i repeat.

> regards

> partha

>

> --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> > Dear Partha!

> >

> > You are mixing two different things. Having

> > pravrajya yoga is one thing and

> > becoming famous another. There are many saints,

> > perfect pravrajya, however

> > they are not famous. See the charts of famous

> > saints, you will find strong

> > planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha Lagna.

> > Fame needs some kind of

> > Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic gains or

> > fame depending on various

> > other factors and the way it expresses.

> >

> > Just think if it make some sense.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sarajit

> >

> > -

> > "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

> > Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> > [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> > partha

> >

> >

> > > dear nandan

> > > that is what even i am trying to say. these great

> > > people are my idols and they do not have raja

> > yogas.i

> > > was hammering away the same point. you were the

> > first

> > > person to catch the point. it is not necessary to

> > have

> > > raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter with

> > ketu

> > > in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from

> > lagna,

> > > saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am more

> > > spiritual than people think i am. i hate people

> > who

> > > show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge but

> > try

> > > to pose of as knowledgable people. another point

> > is i

> > > am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i am

> > very

> > > much worried about worldly success, having many

> > > vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> > > known.(despite not having any freinds, not being a

> > > group person).

> > > please do not wrtie short cut language. i do not

> > > understand. i am a very stratight forward person

> > and

> > > understand only a simple language.

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > > --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > >

> > > > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in

> > the

> > > > charts of the

> > > > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These

> > > > include yogs which actually

> > > > destroy the need to achieve material glory, etc

> > > > (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> > > > in a kendra, etc which confuse such an otherwise

> > > > good house (MY

> > > > interpretation). These yogas are of various

> > forms,

> > > > as per the focus/ intent

> > > > of the renunciation. A short summary of

> > Pravrajya

> > > > related yogas from my

> > > > notes, is provided below for junta's benefit

> > (these

> > > > are MY notes collated,

> > > > NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these

> > out,

> > > > dont use as gospel).

> > > >

> > > > PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of

> > > > yesterday, erratically. And

> > > > I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but cdnt

> > see

> > > > it in my in-box, so

> > > > composed it all over again & sent, & both

> > reached

> > > > eventually. Happens!

> > > >

> > > > § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr

> > pwr (=

> > > > opp of RYs), ii) no

> > > > ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth

> > Chptrs),

> > > > iii) no luv fr mrg

> > > > (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv) no

> > > > lust fr money (see daridra

> > > > yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> > > > 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> > > > destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> > > > mokshkrk:

> > > > a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in 12:

> > Ra=

> > > > matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> > > > showy/ lyk butiful things.

> > > > b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs

> > unwanted

> > > > loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> > > > vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss

> > of

> > > > RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> > > > yog.

> > > > c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/ Jp/

> > Ke

> > > > affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> > > > affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or kns

> > to

> > > > them in d-1/ d-9.

> > > > d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/ ld.lg,

> > > > also assocn of Jp with St/

> > > > Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB in

> > 12

> > > > cd also be= spirtlity

> > > > as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

> > > > HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

> > > > L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr to

> > > > perform= spiritlty/

> > > > renuncn.

> > > > So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep

> > spirtlism.

> > > > Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

> > > > RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana.

> > c)

> > > > St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

> > > > 2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7 fm

> > AL.

> > > > Austerity/ dedicn: St/

> > > > Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St

> > alone

> > > > asps ld.lg or vice

> > > > versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/

> > syn-asp)=

> > > > famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

> > > > & Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref TapaswiYg=

> > St/

> > > > Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

> > > > Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg= Sn/

> > Mn/

> > > > Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

> > > > Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

> > > > 3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if

> > incld

> > > > ld.10= reach hvn aftr

> > > > dth.

> > > > 4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with 2

> > fm

> > > > UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

> > > > renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb

> > in

> > > > d-1/ d-9= UP spoilt.

> > > > Rejecn.Spous: UP/ Ve in 12 fm AL/ NvmLg rspcvly.

> > > > Chastity: Jp (as=

> > > > ld.xltn.Ve) in kn to NvmLg or to Mc (as =

> > > > ld.deb.Ve). Ke curtails sex, esp

> > > > if influence 2 in d-9. Celibacy: see hses rel to

> > UP

> > > > & 2.UP, 5, L5, & ref

> > > > spiritlty yogas. Fake chastity (uncontrolld

> > sex): Ke

> > > > in Lg in d-1/d-9 & asp

> > > > by St & unaffecd by Ve (if Ve affects= tapaswi

> > yog).

> > > >

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Dear friends,

 

I think Raja yogas need not be the only entities for

becoming 'famous'. One thing may be, if the person has

Raja yoga, even if he is a saint, he will be

entertained by Kings! Lot of them may be like Pope,

Acharyas of rich mutts etc.

 

Jesus had simple devotees and I think Saibaba of

Shirdi also had simpletons as followers. If they had

Raja yogas, they might have been patronised by Kings

also.

 

 

In the absence of Raja yoga, Shirdi baba was perceived

as a 'fakir' only. Christ had said 'blessed are the

poor' and he himself was from a poor family.

 

So, to be popular, it is not essential to have Raja

yoga in my view.

 

warm regards,

Balaji S.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- partha sarathy <partvinu5 wrote:

> dear sarajit

> i do agree with your point. but i do not agree to

> the

> point that Swamis need raja yogas to be famous.raja

> yoga give power authority, fame etc but do are not

> good enough to explain the greatness of some great

> saints. you take up chart of jesus and sai baba and

> tell me what is that 'raja yoga' that they have. if

> you prove to me that great saints have become great

> due to raja yogas i will agree to your point.

> becoming

> famous does not need raja yogas i repeat.

> regards

> partha

>

> --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> > Dear Partha!

> >

> > You are mixing two different things. Having

> > pravrajya yoga is one thing and

> > becoming famous another. There are many saints,

> > perfect pravrajya, however

> > they are not famous. See the charts of famous

> > saints, you will find strong

> > planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha

> Lagna.

> > Fame needs some kind of

> > Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic gains or

> > fame depending on various

> > other factors and the way it expresses.

> >

> > Just think if it make some sense.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sarajit

> >

> > -

> > "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

> > Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> > [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> > partha

> >

> >

> > > dear nandan

> > > that is what even i am trying to say. these

> great

> > > people are my idols and they do not have raja

> > yogas.i

> > > was hammering away the same point. you were the

> > first

> > > person to catch the point. it is not necessary

> to

> > have

> > > raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter with

> > ketu

> > > in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from

> > lagna,

> > > saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am more

> > > spiritual than people think i am. i hate people

> > who

> > > show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge

> but

> > try

> > > to pose of as knowledgable people. another point

> > is i

> > > am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i am

> > very

> > > much worried about worldly success, having many

> > > vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> > > known.(despite not having any freinds, not being

> a

> > > group person).

> > > please do not wrtie short cut language. i do not

> > > understand. i am a very stratight forward person

> > and

> > > understand only a simple language.

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > > --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha

> > > >

> > > > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in

> > the

> > > > charts of the

> > > > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These

> > > > include yogs which actually

> > > > destroy the need to achieve material glory,

> etc

> > > > (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> > > > in a kendra, etc which confuse such an

> otherwise

> > > > good house (MY

> > > > interpretation). These yogas are of various

> > forms,

> > > > as per the focus/ intent

> > > > of the renunciation. A short summary of

> > Pravrajya

> > > > related yogas from my

> > > > notes, is provided below for junta's benefit

> > (these

> > > > are MY notes collated,

> > > > NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these

> > out,

> > > > dont use as gospel).

> > > >

> > > > PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of

> > > > yesterday, erratically. And

> > > > I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but

> cdnt

> > see

> > > > it in my in-box, so

> > > > composed it all over again & sent, & both

> > reached

> > > > eventually. Happens!

> > > >

> > > > § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr

> > pwr (=

> > > > opp of RYs), ii) no

> > > > ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth

> > Chptrs),

> > > > iii) no luv fr mrg

> > > > (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv)

> no

> > > > lust fr money (see daridra

> > > > yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> > > > 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> > > > destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> > > > mokshkrk:

> > > > a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in

> 12:

> > Ra=

> > > > matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> > > > showy/ lyk butiful things.

> > > > b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs

> > unwanted

> > > > loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> > > > vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss

> > of

> > > > RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> > > > yog.

> > > > c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/

> Jp/

> > Ke

> > > > affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> > > > affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or

> kns

> > to

> > > > them in d-1/ d-9.

> > > > d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/

> ld.lg,

> > > > also assocn of Jp with St/

> > > > Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB

> in

> > 12

> > > > cd also be= spirtlity

> > > > as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

> > > > HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

> > > > L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr

> to

> > > > perform= spiritlty/

> > > > renuncn.

> > > > So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep

> > spirtlism.

> > > > Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

> > > > RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana.

> > c)

> > > > St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

> > > > 2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7

> fm

> > AL.

> > > > Austerity/ dedicn: St/

> > > > Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St

> > alone

> > > > asps ld.lg or vice

> > > > versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/

> > syn-asp)=

> > > > famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

> > > > & Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref

> TapaswiYg=

> > St/

> > > > Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

> > > > Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg=

> Sn/

> > Mn/

> > > > Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

> > > > Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

> > > > 3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if

> > incld

> > > > ld.10= reach hvn aftr

> > > > dth.

> > > > 4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with

> 2

> > fm

> > > > UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

> > > > renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb

> > in

>

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Aum Gurave Namah

Dear Balaji!

 

It depends on the way you perceive. Pravyajya yoga by themselves don't give

fame, they only show high spirituality. Then what give fame, if not raja

yogas. This is debatable whether or not the yogas which give fame can be

called as Rajayoga. Such as strong planets influncing the Lagna, Moon in the

lagna or 7th from the Arudha Lagna, some yogas like strong gajakeshari,

strong lagna (also Sun and Moon) with pancha mahapurusha yoga...etc etc.....

 

The rajayoga can give lots of oppulance, authority etc on one hand and on

the other it can give name, fame what not. Veepareeta rajayoga are said to

give lots of materialistic benefits, dharmakarmadhipati yoga give power and

authority whereas yogas like hamsa Yoga give name and fame as an

intellectual.

 

What I meant is that presence strong planets in the horoscope can show name

and fame in their periods and if they influence the lagna, the native will

be famous for many years. If you don't call them rajayoga, what yoga do you

call them? Fame-giving yoga?

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

-

"balaji srinivasan" <sri_balaji

<vedic astrology>

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:42 PM

Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re: [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

partha

 

 

> Dear friends,

>

> I think Raja yogas need not be the only entities for

> becoming 'famous'. One thing may be, if the person has

> Raja yoga, even if he is a saint, he will be

> entertained by Kings! Lot of them may be like Pope,

> Acharyas of rich mutts etc.

>

> Jesus had simple devotees and I think Saibaba of

> Shirdi also had simpletons as followers. If they had

> Raja yogas, they might have been patronised by Kings

> also.

>

>

> In the absence of Raja yoga, Shirdi baba was perceived

> as a 'fakir' only. Christ had said 'blessed are the

> poor' and he himself was from a poor family.

>

> So, to be popular, it is not essential to have Raja

> yoga in my view.

>

> warm regards,

> Balaji S.

>

--- partha sarathy <partvinu5 wrote:

> > dear sarajit

> > i do agree with your point. but i do not agree to

> > the

> > point that Swamis need raja yogas to be famous.raja

> > yoga give power authority, fame etc but do are not

> > good enough to explain the greatness of some great

> > saints. you take up chart of jesus and sai baba and

> > tell me what is that 'raja yoga' that they have. if

> > you prove to me that great saints have become great

> > due to raja yogas i will agree to your point.

> > becoming

> > famous does not need raja yogas i repeat.

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > Dear Partha!

> > >

> > > You are mixing two different things. Having

> > > pravrajya yoga is one thing and

> > > becoming famous another. There are many saints,

> > > perfect pravrajya, however

> > > they are not famous. See the charts of famous

> > > saints, you will find strong

> > > planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha

> > Lagna.

> > > Fame needs some kind of

> > > Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic gains or

> > > fame depending on various

> > > other factors and the way it expresses.

> > >

> > > Just think if it make some sense.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > > -

> > > "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

> > > Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > > dear nandan

> > > > that is what even i am trying to say. these

> > great

> > > > people are my idols and they do not have raja

> > > yogas.i

> > > > was hammering away the same point. you were the

> > > first

> > > > person to catch the point. it is not necessary

> > to

> > > have

> > > > raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter with

> > > ketu

> > > > in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from

> > > lagna,

> > > > saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am more

> > > > spiritual than people think i am. i hate people

> > > who

> > > > show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge

> > but

> > > try

> > > > to pose of as knowledgable people. another point

> > > is i

> > > > am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i am

> > > very

> > > > much worried about worldly success, having many

> > > > vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> > > > known.(despite not having any freinds, not being

> > a

> > > > group person).

> > > > please do not wrtie short cut language. i do not

> > > > understand. i am a very stratight forward person

> > > and

> > > > understand only a simple language.

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > >

> > > > > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas in

> > > the

> > > > > charts of the

> > > > > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned. These

> > > > > include yogs which actually

> > > > > destroy the need to achieve material glory,

> > etc

> > > > > (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> > > > > in a kendra, etc which confuse such an

> > otherwise

> > > > > good house (MY

> > > > > interpretation). These yogas are of various

> > > forms,

> > > > > as per the focus/ intent

> > > > > of the renunciation. A short summary of

> > > Pravrajya

> > > > > related yogas from my

> > > > > notes, is provided below for junta's benefit

> > > (these

> > > > > are MY notes collated,

> > > > > NOT the words of an astrologer, so check these

> > > out,

> > > > > dont use as gospel).

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most of

> > > > > yesterday, erratically. And

> > > > > I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but

> > cdnt

> > > see

> > > > > it in my in-box, so

> > > > > composed it all over again & sent, & both

> > > reached

> > > > > eventually. Happens!

> > > > >

> > > > > § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust fr

> > > pwr (=

> > > > > opp of RYs), ii) no

> > > > > ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth

> > > Chptrs),

> > > > > iii) no luv fr mrg

> > > > > (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c), iv)

> > no

> > > > > lust fr money (see daridra

> > > > > yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> > > > > 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> > > > > destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> > > > > mokshkrk:

> > > > > a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in

> > 12:

> > > Ra=

> > > > > matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> > > > > showy/ lyk butiful things.

> > > > > b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs

> > > unwanted

> > > > > loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> > > > > vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs loss

> > > of

> > > > > RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> > > > > yog.

> > > > > c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/

> > Jp/

> > > Ke

> > > > > affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> > > > > affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or

> > kns

> > > to

> > > > > them in d-1/ d-9.

> > > > > d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/

> > ld.lg,

> > > > > also assocn of Jp with St/

> > > > > Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any NB

> > in

> > > 12

> > > > > cd also be= spirtlity

> > > > > as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

> > > > > HariharaBramha Yog: Bns wrt L2/ L7 &

> > > > > L1.NMs: Genrly, well plcd NMs (in kds)= presr

> > to

> > > > > perform= spiritlty/

> > > > > renuncn.

> > > > > So egs: a) Nodes: Ra in 7/12 fm AL= deep

> > > spirtlism.

> > > > > Ra in 10= pilgrimage/

> > > > > RY. b) Jp: Jp in Pi (12th syn) in Lg= Nirvana.

> > > c)

> > > > > St/ Ke in 12= meditn.

> > > > > 2. Mind: NBs in 3/6 fm AL, or NMs in 2/4/7

> > fm

> > > AL.

> > > > > Austerity/ dedicn: St/

> > > > > Mn: Lg/ ld.Mnsyn asp by St alone= celibacy. St

> > > alone

> > > > > asps ld.lg or vice

> > > > > versa. All plnts asp ld.Mnsyn (by plntry/

> > > syn-asp)=

> > > > > famous Sanyasi. Jp & Mn

> > > > > & Lg assoc with St= renuncn. Also ref

> > TapaswiYg=

> > > St/

> > > > > Ve/ Ke, AmshavatarYg=

> > > > > Jp/ Ve/ St, VirinchiYg= Jp/ St, ShrikantYg=

> > Sn/

> > > Mn/

> > > > > Ld.Lg. Knldg seeking:

> > > > > Ref DhimantaYg= assocn of Lds.1/3/6.

> > > > > 3. ? reason: 4+ plnts in any kd= renuncn, if

> > > incld

> > > > > ld.10= reach hvn aftr

> > > > > dth.

> > > > > 4. Renounce spous/ fmly, &c: NMs assocg with

> > 2

> > > fm

> > > > > UP/ Ld.2 fm UP=

> > > > > renuncn. See Mrg chptr eg ld.UP in 8/12 or deb

> > > in

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dear sarajit and balaji

dear sarajit i do remember that sai baba had kalasarpa

dosha, he was born in thula lagna if i am not wrong.

his date of birth is not available with any body,

infact i saw his chart in one of the magazines on

astrology. he had malavya yoga. regarding jesus he was

born in virgo lagna. i do remember that mother

theresa, jesus and sai baba do not have raja

yogas.mother thersa had saturn in mesha rasi or lagna?

with venus in 4th. dear sarajit, balaji has agreed to

my point that it is not necessary to have raja yogas

to be famous. mars in 10th , sun and mercury in 1st

for dhanu lagna is raja yoga but is he a good person?

raja yoga is different from pancha mahapurusha yogas

and other yogas like parvata yoga, matsya yoga,

lakshmi yoga etc. raja yoga gives power nothing more

than that. fame is not caused due to raja yoga.

regards

partha

 

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> Dear Partha

>

> You wouldnot have known the greatness of those

> saints, if they were not

> famous. Rest after I see Jesus's Horoscope. Can you

> please send me the

> details of Sai Baba!

>

> Bye

> Sarajit

>

> -

> "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> <vedic astrology>

> Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:31 PM

> Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> partha

>

>

> > dear sarajit

> > i do agree with your point. but i do not agree to

> the

> > point that Swamis need raja yogas to be

> famous.raja

> > yoga give power authority, fame etc but do are not

> > good enough to explain the greatness of some great

> > saints. you take up chart of jesus and sai baba

> and

> > tell me what is that 'raja yoga' that they have.

> if

> > you prove to me that great saints have become

> great

> > due to raja yogas i will agree to your point.

> becoming

> > famous does not need raja yogas i repeat.

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > Dear Partha!

> > >

> > > You are mixing two different things. Having

> > > pravrajya yoga is one thing and

> > > becoming famous another. There are many saints,

> > > perfect pravrajya, however

> > > they are not famous. See the charts of famous

> > > saints, you will find strong

> > > planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha

> Lagna.

> > > Fame needs some kind of

> > > Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic gains

> or

> > > fame depending on various

> > > other factors and the way it expresses.

> > >

> > > Just think if it make some sense.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > > -

> > > "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> > > <vedic astrology>

> > > Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

> > > Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > > dear nandan

> > > > that is what even i am trying to say. these

> great

> > > > people are my idols and they do not have raja

> > > yogas.i

> > > > was hammering away the same point. you were

> the

> > > first

> > > > person to catch the point. it is not necessary

> to

> > > have

> > > > raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter

> with

> > > ketu

> > > > in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from

> > > lagna,

> > > > saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am

> more

> > > > spiritual than people think i am. i hate

> people

> > > who

> > > > show of a lot, who do not have basic knowledge

> but

> > > try

> > > > to pose of as knowledgable people. another

> point

> > > is i

> > > > am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither i

> am

> > > very

> > > > much worried about worldly success, having

> many

> > > > vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> > > > known.(despite not having any freinds, not

> being a

> > > > group person).

> > > > please do not wrtie short cut language. i do

> not

> > > > understand. i am a very stratight forward

> person

> > > and

> > > > understand only a simple language.

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > >

> > > > > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj) yogas

> in

> > > the

> > > > > charts of the

> > > > > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned.

> These

> > > > > include yogs which actually

> > > > > destroy the need to achieve material glory,

> etc

> > > > > (RYs), such as 4+ planets

> > > > > in a kendra, etc which confuse such an

> otherwise

> > > > > good house (MY

> > > > > interpretation). These yogas are of various

> > > forms,

> > > > > as per the focus/ intent

> > > > > of the renunciation. A short summary of

> > > Pravrajya

> > > > > related yogas from my

> > > > > notes, is provided below for junta's benefit

> > > (these

> > > > > are MY notes collated,

> > > > > NOT the words of an astrologer, so check

> these

> > > out,

> > > > > dont use as gospel).

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: Incidentally, my Internet was down most

> of

> > > > > yesterday, erratically. And

> > > > > I sent a posting which I thot was sent, but

> cdnt

> > > see

> > > > > it in my in-box, so

> > > > > composed it all over again & sent, & both

> > > reached

> > > > > eventually. Happens!

> > > > >

> > > > > § Spiritlty/ Relgn: Renuncn= i) no lust

> fr

> > > pwr (=

> > > > > opp of RYs), ii) no

> > > > > ego/ luv of own body (see opp in Mind/ Hlth

> > > Chptrs),

> > > > > iii) no luv fr mrg

> > > > > (see opps in Mrg Chptr, eg chastity, &c),

> iv) no

> > > > > lust fr money (see daridra

> > > > > yogs in Wlth Chptr), v) +ve relgn-orientd:

> > > > > 1. Renuncn= 12/ Ke (esp in 1/12/10) as 12=

> > > > > destrucn of self/ ego & Ke=

> > > > > mokshkrk:

> > > > > a) In 12: Bns in 12= Jp, St, Ke. Vs Mls in

> 12:

> > > Ra=

> > > > > matlistic, & Mn/ Ve=

> > > > > showy/ lyk butiful things.

> > > > > b) 12 fm Lg vs 12 fm AL= self-rejecn vs

> > > unwanted

> > > > > loss, eg Mn in 12 fm Lg

> > > > > vs AL= callous about dom/ psnl affairs vs

> loss

> > > of

> > > > > RY= pravrajya (= renuncn)

> > > > > yog.

> > > > > c) 12 vs 1/10: = Spiritlsm vs Matrlsm: Sn/

> Jp/

> > > Ke

> > > > > affecg 12= sprtlsm,

> > > > > affecg 1/10= mtlsm vs opp fr Mn/ Ve/ Ra ? or

> kns

> > > to

> > > > > them in d-1/ d-9.

> > > > > d) Plcmt of NMs & NBs: NBs: Jp aspg lg/

> ld.lg,

> > > > > also assocn of Jp with St/

> > > > > Ke. NBs in kons & NMs in kds. Ve in 8/ any

> NB in

> > > 12

> > > > > cd also be= spirtlity

> > > > > as depress their ntl krktwas. Also ref

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dear nandan

what is that different that i am trying to say. now

raj yoga doesn't imply-fame, pravrajya yoga doesn't

imply-spirituality. this is what i was trying to say.

regards

partha

 

--- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

>

> Dear friends

>

> I do not think people got the real message of my

> trying to DIVIDE the

> various forms of Pravrajya Yogas. Renunciation of

> what (various types:

> body, ego, material things, lust, etc etc) & seeking

> what (again various

> types: bhakti, gyan, etc).

>

> Similarly, there are VARIOUS forms of RYs eg fame

> from GL, 1/5 emanations

> etc, wealth from HL, 2 related, etc.

>

> So it is NOT a either-or thing here, between the 2

> loosely termed sets, of

> RY & PvRY being mutually exclusive. This convenience

> of using these 2 terms

> for a wide variety of yogas is creating problems in

> understanding here, I

> think. You can have ONE avatar of PvRY & 1 avatar of

> RY. Or none of either.

>

> And another point: of course, u need not have PvRY

> to be spiritual, or RY

> to be famous. Didnt Shri Rath say that ONE-THIRD of

> all your houses, the

> Upachayas, are free-will!

>

> Regards

>

> nandan

>

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Dear Sarajit,

 

In my view, Raja yoga gives mainly power and

authority.

Also, one will be honored even by Rajas.

 

THere are various lagnas we discuss and some are for

fame and some are for money. GL is for Fame and HL is

for money.

 

Lot of Raja yogas can give fame. I am not denying

that. I am saying, you don't NEED raja yoga to be

famous atleast in the spiritual life.

 

Take Gaja Kesari yoga. It is common and it is one for

leadership.

This is formed by GUru and Moon. Guru is the minister

and Chandra is a royal graha. Naturally the person

will have good traits of both these.

 

Take Hamsa Yoga. It shows Guru's strength alone. That

is why it promotes vedantins and great intellectuals.

 

Dharma Kharmathipathi means a person whose main karma

is upholding Dharma. He will earn wealth and he will

spend for good causes. It is not for just power and

authority.

 

 

To be spiritual these are good but not essential!

Take the Tapaswi yoga, do you think it is a Raja yoga?

 

Not in my view when Planets like Sani and Kethu are

involved.

 

Strong Raja yoga in a Tapaswi's chart indicates the

kind of people who will honor him and not their

numbers.

 

warm regards,

Balaji S.

 

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> Aum Gurave Namah

> Dear Balaji!

>

> It depends on the way you perceive. Pravyajya yoga

> by themselves don't give

> fame, they only show high spirituality. Then what

> give fame, if not raja

> yogas. This is debatable whether or not the yogas

> which give fame can be

> called as Rajayoga. Such as strong planets

> influncing the Lagna, Moon in the

> lagna or 7th from the Arudha Lagna, some yogas like

> strong gajakeshari,

> strong lagna (also Sun and Moon) with pancha

> mahapurusha yoga...etc etc.....

>

> The rajayoga can give lots of oppulance, authority

> etc on one hand and on

> the other it can give name, fame what not.

> Veepareeta rajayoga are said to

> give lots of materialistic benefits,

> dharmakarmadhipati yoga give power and

> authority whereas yogas like hamsa Yoga give name

> and fame as an

> intellectual.

>

> What I meant is that presence strong planets in the

> horoscope can show name

> and fame in their periods and if they influence the

> lagna, the native will

> be famous for many years. If you don't call them

> rajayoga, what yoga do you

> call them? Fame-giving yoga?

>

> Regards

> Sarajit

>

>

> -

> "balaji srinivasan" <sri_balaji

> <vedic astrology>

> Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:42 PM

> Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> partha

>

>

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > I think Raja yogas need not be the only entities

> for

> > becoming 'famous'. One thing may be, if the person

> has

> > Raja yoga, even if he is a saint, he will be

> > entertained by Kings! Lot of them may be like

> Pope,

> > Acharyas of rich mutts etc.

> >

> > Jesus had simple devotees and I think Saibaba of

> > Shirdi also had simpletons as followers. If they

> had

> > Raja yogas, they might have been patronised by

> Kings

> > also.

> >

> >

> > In the absence of Raja yoga, Shirdi baba was

> perceived

> > as a 'fakir' only. Christ had said 'blessed are

> the

> > poor' and he himself was from a poor family.

> >

> > So, to be popular, it is not essential to have

> Raja

> > yoga in my view.

> >

> > warm regards,

> > Balaji S.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- partha sarathy <partvinu5 wrote:

> > > dear sarajit

> > > i do agree with your point. but i do not agree

> to

> > > the

> > > point that Swamis need raja yogas to be

> famous.raja

> > > yoga give power authority, fame etc but do are

> not

> > > good enough to explain the greatness of some

> great

> > > saints. you take up chart of jesus and sai baba

> and

> > > tell me what is that 'raja yoga' that they have.

> if

> > > you prove to me that great saints have become

> great

> > > due to raja yogas i will agree to your point.

> > > becoming

> > > famous does not need raja yogas i repeat.

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > > --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp

> wrote:

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna

> > > > Dear Partha!

> > > >

> > > > You are mixing two different things. Having

> > > > pravrajya yoga is one thing and

> > > > becoming famous another. There are many

> saints,

> > > > perfect pravrajya, however

> > > > they are not famous. See the charts of famous

> > > > saints, you will find strong

> > > > planets influencing the Lagna and the Arudha

> > > Lagna.

> > > > Fame needs some kind of

> > > > Rajayoga. Rajayoga can give materialistic

> gains or

> > > > fame depending on various

> > > > other factors and the way it expresses.

> > > >

> > > > Just think if it make some sense.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sarajit

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > "partha sarathy" <partvinu5

> > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:23 PM

> > > > Re: Note on Pravrajya Yogas Re:

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: reply from

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dear nandan

> > > > > that is what even i am trying to say. these

> > > great

> > > > > people are my idols and they do not have

> raja

> > > > yogas.i

> > > > > was hammering away the same point. you were

> the

> > > > first

> > > > > person to catch the point. it is not

> necessary

> > > to

> > > > have

> > > > > raja yogas to become famous. i have jupiter

> with

> > > > ketu

> > > > > in 5th house,-spiritualism, sun in 12th from

> > > > lagna,

> > > > > saturn in 12th from arudha lagna. thus i am

> more

> > > > > spiritual than people think i am. i hate

> people

> > > > who

> > > > > show of a lot, who do not have basic

> knowledge

> > > but

> > > > try

> > > > > to pose of as knowledgable people. another

> point

> > > > is i

> > > > > am not hungry fro luck or anything. neither

> i am

> > > > very

> > > > > much worried about worldly success, having

> many

> > > > > vehicles , clothes etc. but still i am well

> > > > > known.(despite not having any freinds, not

> being

> > > a

> > > > > group person).

> > > > > please do not wrtie short cut language. i do

> not

> > > > > understand. i am a very stratight forward

> person

> > > > and

> > > > > understand only a simple language.

> > > > > regards

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Nandan.Chakraborty wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are various Pravrajya (not Raj)

> yogas in

> > > > the

> > > > > > charts of the

> > > > > > spiritually-achieved people u mentioned.

> These

>

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