Please clarify my confusion from BV Raman book.

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I am new to astrology. I have already read introductory books by V K

Choudhry and M. Ramakrishna Bhat.

 

Just started reading astrology for beginners by BV Raman and it

really confused me. It has principles or techniques that contradicts

rest of my learning or reading.

 

I know B. V Ramans book are famous so please clarify my confusion:

 

In Ramans book it said: (I quoted from page 13 and 29 from astrology

for beginners by BV Raman)

 

1. Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the book)

I thought Mars aspects 4th and 10th.

 

2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and produce good.

I thought this is not a universal theory.

 

3. When benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.

I thought it is the other way around, e.g. house owning Ju and Ve is

always good in quadrant.

 

4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good.

That's what I thought but here someone previously told me Sa is bad

for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.

 

5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries.

I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all can cause

miseries.

 

6. Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if they are in

conjunction with favorable planets.

I thought 12th house is not good at all in present situation, it is

good for religious purpose but it is thought of malefic since does

not give materialistic gain.

 

7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very inauspicious.

I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can create strong good

yagas. E.g Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.

 

 

Please clarify my confusion.

Chandan

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Hey, unless they're darned printing errors, just

believe B V Raman. He was far too eminent an

astrologer who nearly always based whatever he had to

say on scientific evidence.

 

--- chandan_astro wrote: > I am new to

astrology. I have already read

> introductory books by V K

> Choudhry and M. Ramakrishna Bhat.

>

> Just started reading astrology for beginners by BV

> Raman and it

> really confused me. It has principles or techniques

> that contradicts

> rest of my learning or reading.

>

> I know B. V Ramans book are famous so please clarify

> my confusion:

>

> In Ramans book it said: (I quoted from page 13 and

> 29 from astrology

> for beginners by BV Raman)

>

> 1. Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the

> book)

> I thought Mars aspects 4th and 10th.

>

> 2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and

> produce good.

> I thought this is not a universal theory.

>

> 3. When benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.

> I thought it is the other way around, e.g. house

> owning Ju and Ve is

> always good in quadrant.

>

> 4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good.

> That's what I thought but here someone previously

> told me Sa is bad

> for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.

>

> 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries.

> I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all

> can cause

> miseries.

>

> 6. Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if

> they are in

> conjunction with favorable planets.

> I thought 12th house is not good at all in present

> situation, it is

> good for religious purpose but it is thought of

> malefic since does

> not give materialistic gain.

>

> 7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very

> inauspicious.

> I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can

> create strong good

> yagas. E.g Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.

>

>

> Please clarify my confusion.

> Chandan

>

>

>

 

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Dear Chandan,

 

I will give you the rules according to Parasar, which is what the

list generally follows.

 

> 1. Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the book)

> I thought Mars aspects 4th and 10th.

 

Mars has a special aspect on the 4th, and 8th. Saturn on the 3rd and

10th, Jupiter on the 5th and 9th, Rahu on the 2nd, 5th and 9th. All

planets including these aspect the 7th.

 

> 2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and produce good.

> I thought this is not a universal theory.

 

The lord of trines always produce good. This is when they are taken

by themselves. However with enough bad association they can produce

harm as well. This is the case when they combine with the lords of

the 3,6,8,11. In this case the lord of the 3,6,8,11 benefits and can

bring fortune, as it takes the beneficence from the trine lord. In

the meantime the trine lord suffers.

 

> 3. When benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.

> I thought it is the other way around, e.g. house owning Ju and Ve

is

> always good in quadrant.

 

Two different things here. When benefics own quadrants they produce

evil. A benefically owned house is Taurus, Libra, Gemini, Virgo,

Saggitarius, Pisces, and sometimes Cancer.

 

When benefics are placed in quadrants they produce good.

 

> 4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good.

> That's what I thought but here someone previously told me Sa is bad

> for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.

 

Saturn in your case also owns either the 6th house or 8th house. Both

of these houses are bad, the 6th being worse for ownership.

 

The 7th lord is always bad as it is a planet that kills, causes

illness or other misery. Placement in the 9th can mean several

things, such as death of the father, high status wife, death or

illness in a foreign land, travelling, business abroad etc. The

correct interpretation can be made by looking at the divisional

charts, significators and Arudha padas.

 

The 7th lord can give status and money if favourably associated. In

this sense it can be good.

 

> 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries.

> I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all can cause

> miseries.

 

There is a difference here between ownership and placement. The Lords

of the 3,6,8,11 are harm causing.

 

- ie. The placement of Mars owner of the 3rd and 8th in Virgo

ascendant is not good for the health of the person. The planet owning

bad houses placed in the ascendant ruins its significations (health)

 

Planets placed in the 6,8,12 lose their goodness.

 

- ie. If Mercury lord of Virgo is placed in the 6,8,12 in such a

situation, short life and povery are probable. This is because

Mercury owns the 1st house, which shows the health. The lord of

health going into a bad house destroys it.

 

> 6. Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if they are in

> conjunction with favorable planets.

> I thought 12th house is not good at all in present situation, it is

> good for religious purpose but it is thought of malefic since does

> not give materialistic gain.

 

This is the same confusion as the previous question. There are

differences between the effects of the lords and houses. Placement of

planets in the 12th is indeed bad, causing expenditure, secret

enemies, hospitilization, etc.

 

However association of the 12th lord with auspicious planets, such as

trine lords, can give gain of money and other good effects.

 

> 7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very inauspicious.

> I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can create strong good

> yagas. E.g Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.

 

What you refer to here are specific combinations called yogas. Yogas

allow one to often modify the standard rules, as they gain

precedence. When a benefic planet owns a quadrant which he is not

placed in, he becomes inauspicious. However as you mention if he is

placed in his own sign in a quadrant he becomes very beneficial.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Alex J

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Alex,

Thank you for going through my long posting and clearing up my

confusions. Thank you very much.

Chandan

 

vedic astrology, "Alex J" <lostinmotion@h...> wrote:

> Dear Chandan,

>

> I will give you the rules according to Parasar, which is what the

> list generally follows.

>

> > 1. Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the book)

> > I thought Mars aspects 4th and 10th.

>

> Mars has a special aspect on the 4th, and 8th. Saturn on the 3rd

and

> 10th, Jupiter on the 5th and 9th, Rahu on the 2nd, 5th and 9th. All

> planets including these aspect the 7th.

>

> > 2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and produce good.

> > I thought this is not a universal theory.

>

> The lord of trines always produce good. This is when they are taken

> by themselves. However with enough bad association they can produce

> harm as well. This is the case when they combine with the lords of

> the 3,6,8,11. In this case the lord of the 3,6,8,11 benefits and

can

> bring fortune, as it takes the beneficence from the trine lord. In

> the meantime the trine lord suffers.

>

> > 3. When benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.

> > I thought it is the other way around, e.g. house owning Ju and Ve

> is

> > always good in quadrant.

>

> Two different things here. When benefics own quadrants they produce

> evil. A benefically owned house is Taurus, Libra, Gemini, Virgo,

> Saggitarius, Pisces, and sometimes Cancer.

>

> When benefics are placed in quadrants they produce good.

>

> > 4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good.

> > That's what I thought but here someone previously told me Sa is

bad

> > for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.

>

> Saturn in your case also owns either the 6th house or 8th house.

Both

> of these houses are bad, the 6th being worse for ownership.

>

> The 7th lord is always bad as it is a planet that kills, causes

> illness or other misery. Placement in the 9th can mean several

> things, such as death of the father, high status wife, death or

> illness in a foreign land, travelling, business abroad etc. The

> correct interpretation can be made by looking at the divisional

> charts, significators and Arudha padas.

>

> The 7th lord can give status and money if favourably associated. In

> this sense it can be good.

>

> > 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries.

> > I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all can cause

> > miseries.

>

> There is a difference here between ownership and placement. The

Lords

> of the 3,6,8,11 are harm causing.

>

> - ie. The placement of Mars owner of the 3rd and 8th in Virgo

> ascendant is not good for the health of the person. The planet

owning

> bad houses placed in the ascendant ruins its significations (health)

>

> Planets placed in the 6,8,12 lose their goodness.

>

> - ie. If Mercury lord of Virgo is placed in the 6,8,12 in such a

> situation, short life and povery are probable. This is because

> Mercury owns the 1st house, which shows the health. The lord of

> health going into a bad house destroys it.

>

> > 6. Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if they are in

> > conjunction with favorable planets.

> > I thought 12th house is not good at all in present situation, it

is

> > good for religious purpose but it is thought of malefic since

does

> > not give materialistic gain.

>

> This is the same confusion as the previous question. There are

> differences between the effects of the lords and houses. Placement

of

> planets in the 12th is indeed bad, causing expenditure, secret

> enemies, hospitilization, etc.

>

> However association of the 12th lord with auspicious planets, such

as

> trine lords, can give gain of money and other good effects.

>

> > 7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very inauspicious.

> > I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can create strong

good

> > yagas. E.g Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.

>

> What you refer to here are specific combinations called yogas.

Yogas

> allow one to often modify the standard rules, as they gain

> precedence. When a benefic planet owns a quadrant which he is not

> placed in, he becomes inauspicious. However as you mention if he is

> placed in his own sign in a quadrant he becomes very beneficial.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Alex J

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Dear Chandan,

Some additions to Alex's nice writing:

The Ownership of Benefics of a Kendra, producing evil, is referred to as

Kendradhipati Dosha, and is expressed by Parasara in Chapter 34(santhanam

edition) 2nd sloka.

Ketu doesn't have any Graha Dristi. It has no head and cannot see and has no

desires.. hence the reason its Moksha Karaka.

Best wishes, Visti.

Alex J <lostinmotion (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Chandan,I will give you the

rules according to Parasar, which is what the list generally follows. > 1.

Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the book)> I thought Mars aspects

4th and 10th.Mars has a special aspect on the 4th, and 8th. Saturn on the 3rd

and 10th, Jupiter on the 5th and 9th, Rahu on the 2nd, 5th and 9th. All planets

including these aspect the 7th. > 2. The Lord of the trines are always

auspicious and produce good.> I thought this is not a universal theory.The lord

of trines always produce good. This is when they are taken by themselves.

However with enough bad association they can produce harm as well. This is the

case when they combine with the lords of the 3,6,8,11. In this case the lord of

the 3,6,8,11 benefits and can bring fortune, as it takes the beneficence from

the trine lord. In the meantime the trine lord suffers. > 3. When

benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.> I thought it is the other way

around, e.g. house owning Ju and Ve is > always good in quadrant.Two different

things here. When benefics own quadrants they produce evil. A benefically owned

house is Taurus, Libra, Gemini, Virgo, Saggitarius, Pisces, and sometimes

Cancer. When benefics are placed in quadrants they produce good.> 4. When

malefic own quadrants they produce good.> That's what I thought but here

someone previously told me Sa is bad > for me but it owns 7th and placed in

9th.Saturn in your case also owns either the 6th house or 8th house. Both of

these houses are bad, the 6th being worse for ownership. The 7th lord is always

bad as it is a planet that kills, causes illness or other misery. Placement in

the 9th can mean several things, such as death of the father, high status wife,

death or illness in a foreign land, travelling, business abroad etc. The correct

interpretation can be made by looking at the divisional charts, significators

and Arudha padas. The 7th lord can give status and money if favourably

associated. In this sense it can be good.> 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do

evil and cause miseries.> I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all

can cause > miseries.There is a difference here between ownership and

placement. The Lords of the 3,6,8,11 are harm causing. - ie. The placement of

Mars owner of the 3rd and 8th in Virgo ascendant is not good for the health of

the person. The planet owning bad houses placed in the ascendant ruins its

significations (health)Planets placed in the 6,8,12 lose their goodness. - ie.

If Mercury lord of Virgo is placed in the 6,8,12 in such a situation, short

life and povery are probable. This is because Mercury owns the 1st house, which

shows the health. The lord of health going into a bad house destroys it. > 6.

Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if they are in > conjunction

with favorable planets.> I thought 12th house is not good at all in present

situation, it is > good for religious purpose but it is thought of malefic

since does > not give materialistic gain.This is the same confusion as the

previous question. There are differences between the effects of the lords and

houses. Placement of planets in the 12th is indeed bad, causing expenditure,

secret enemies, hospitilization, etc. However association of the 12th lord with

auspicious planets, such as trine lords, can give gain of money and other good

effects. > 7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very inauspicious.>

I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can create strong good > yagas. E.g

Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.What you refer to here are specific combinations called

yogas. Yogas allow one to often modify the standard rules, as they gain

precedence. When a benefic planet owns a quadrant which he is not placed in, he

becomes inauspicious. However as you mention if he is placed in his own sign in

a quadrant he becomes very beneficial. Hope this helps,Alex JArchives:

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