Guest guest Posted September 24, 2001 Report Share Posted September 24, 2001 Dear Doug & Sanjiv, Sanjiv's chart makes a good example. Swamsa means the navamsa ascendant. Looking at the trines from Navamsa ascendant we have only Mercury and Jupiter in the 5th indicating the natural abilities and learning interests. Jupiter and Mercury are both strong, as one is exalted and the other is Atmakaraka. In the intellectual sign of Virgo, they give thourough learning of religious subjects and astrology, as Jupiter and Mercury are karakas of those. Jupiter here with Mercury also gives proficiency in many branches of learning. Mercury can also give knowledge of commerce or trade here, as Virgo is a commercial sign, as are the ascending signs. However Jupiter is the atmakarka in the 5th house, showing that divination of the future, and religion is the soul's desire. As the Atmakaraka is in the 5th house, the Karakamsa ascendant is Virgo, possessing those same planets, thereby indicating the same interests, but in this case the soul's inclinations. Happily there is a confluence, so there is no clash between the soul and present incarnation. Arudha Lagna was also given, as the same combinations recommended to be looked at from Swamsa apply from here as well. Jupiter is in the 9th house, and Mercury owns the AL, going into Jupiter's sign, showing the same relationship and abilities/interests. Rahu also is in the 9th, which according to Parasar gives astrological abilities as well. hope this helps, Alex J vedic astrology, "Sanjiv Aggarwal/CanWest/IBM" <sanjiv@c...> wrote: > > This is a great question. I have not read a precise definition to date. > By precise, I mean one that is clear and completely unambiguous. Allow me > to query the example from my chart. > > D-1 D-9 > Lagna Taurus(with Jup(AK) and Rahu) Taurus > AL Virgo (empty; MerR in Pi) Virgo (with AK and Mer) > KL Virgo (naturally per above) > > Illustrating Swamsha with the above example would be a good exercise to > support the definition and will be very much appreciated. Thanks. > > Best Regards, > > SA > > "Doug Riemer" <vedic@k...> on 09/24/2001 03:35:55 PM > > Please respond to vedic astrology > > vedic astrology > cc: > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations for astrologers > > > What is Swampsa? > > doug riemer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2001 Report Share Posted September 25, 2001 Thanks, Doug; I too thought that my chart made good sense:-) (I did not add an additional parameter whereby the chandra Lagna is also vargottam...) I appreciate your analysis. My concern, however, was more to establish a precise definition.... If we look at the definition Narasimha provided: "Swa simply means "self" and may refer to either lagna or atma karaka. So swamsa refers the position of either lagna or atmakaraka in navamsa. Parasara used "swamsa" for both lagnamsa and karakamsa. So swamsa here is in Sg or Ta, depending on what we mean." it clearly shows the controversy -- this is a flexible definition. Some other books try to clarify this confusion by stating Swamsa is the stronger of the two Lagnamsa and Karakamsa; if we look at the planets posited in the signs it is clear that Vi becomes the Swamsa in my chart. Then, it is easy to apply formulas like 5th from Swamsa or 10th from Swamsa... but otherwise..... It would be better if authors stop referring to Swamsa and clearly define what they mean i.e. Lagnamsa or Karkamsa. Best Regards, SA "Alex J" <lostinmotion on 09/24/2001 08:46:04 PM Please respond to vedic astrology vedic astrology cc: [vedic astrology] Re: Combos for astrologers Doug&Sanjiv Dear Doug & Sanjiv, Sanjiv's chart makes a good example. Swamsa means the navamsa ascendant. Looking at the trines from Navamsa ascendant we have only Mercury and Jupiter in the 5th indicating the natural abilities and learning interests. Jupiter and Mercury are both strong, as one is exalted and the other is Atmakaraka. In the intellectual sign of Virgo, they give thourough learning of religious subjects and astrology, as Jupiter and Mercury are karakas of those. Jupiter here with Mercury also gives proficiency in many branches of learning. Mercury can also give knowledge of commerce or trade here, as Virgo is a commercial sign, as are the ascending signs. However Jupiter is the atmakarka in the 5th house, showing that divination of the future, and religion is the soul's desire. As the Atmakaraka is in the 5th house, the Karakamsa ascendant is Virgo, possessing those same planets, thereby indicating the same interests, but in this case the soul's inclinations. Happily there is a confluence, so there is no clash between the soul and present incarnation. Arudha Lagna was also given, as the same combinations recommended to be looked at from Swamsa apply from here as well. Jupiter is in the 9th house, and Mercury owns the AL, going into Jupiter's sign, showing the same relationship and abilities/interests. Rahu also is in the 9th, which according to Parasar gives astrological abilities as well. hope this helps, Alex J vedic astrology, "Sanjiv Aggarwal/CanWest/IBM" <sanjiv@c...> wrote: > > This is a great question. I have not read a precise definition to date. > By precise, I mean one that is clear and completely unambiguous. Allow me > to query the example from my chart. > > D-1 D-9 > Lagna Taurus(with Jup(AK) and Rahu) Taurus > AL Virgo (empty; MerR in Pi) Virgo (with AK and Mer) > KL Virgo (naturally per above) > > Illustrating Swamsha with the above example would be a good exercise to > support the definition and will be very much appreciated. Thanks. > > Best Regards, > > SA > > "Doug Riemer" <vedic@k...> on 09/24/2001 03:35:55 PM > > Please respond to vedic astrology > > vedic astrology > cc: > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations for astrologers > > > What is Swampsa? > > doug riemer Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2001 Report Share Posted September 25, 2001 Thank you, Alex. Swamsa as the Navamsa Ascendant is clear to me. vedic astrology, "Alex J" <lostinmotion@h...> wrote: > Dear Doug & Sanjiv, > > Sanjiv's chart makes a good example. Swamsa means the navamsa > ascendant. Looking at the trines from Navamsa ascendant we have only > Mercury and Jupiter in the 5th indicating the natural abilities and > learning interests. > > Jupiter and Mercury are both strong, as one is exalted and the other > is Atmakaraka. In the intellectual sign of Virgo, they give thourough > learning of religious subjects and astrology, as Jupiter and Mercury > are karakas of those. Jupiter here with Mercury also gives > proficiency in many branches of learning. > > Mercury can also give knowledge of commerce or trade here, as Virgo > is a commercial sign, as are the ascending signs. However Jupiter is > the atmakarka in the 5th house, showing that divination of the > future, and religion is the soul's desire. > > As the Atmakaraka is in the 5th house, the Karakamsa ascendant is > Virgo, possessing those same planets, thereby indicating the same > interests, but in this case the soul's inclinations. Happily there is > a confluence, so there is no clash between the soul and present > incarnation. > > Arudha Lagna was also given, as the same combinations recommended to > be looked at from Swamsa apply from here as well. Jupiter is in the > 9th house, and Mercury owns the AL, going into Jupiter's sign, > showing the same relationship and abilities/interests. Rahu also is > in the 9th, which according to Parasar gives astrological abilities > as well. > > hope this helps, > > Alex J > > vedic astrology, "Sanjiv Aggarwal/CanWest/IBM" > <sanjiv@c...> wrote: > > > > This is a great question. I have not read a precise definition to > date. > > By precise, I mean one that is clear and completely unambiguous. > Allow me > > to query the example from my chart. > > > > D-1 D-9 > > Lagna Taurus(with Jup(AK) and Rahu) Taurus > > AL Virgo (empty; MerR in Pi) Virgo (with AK and Mer) > > KL Virgo (naturally per above) > > > > Illustrating Swamsha with the above example would be a good > exercise to > > support the definition and will be very much appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > SA > > > > "Doug Riemer" <vedic@k...> on 09/24/2001 03:35:55 PM > > > > Please respond to vedic astrology > > > > vedic astrology > > cc: > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations for astrologers > > > > > > What is Swampsa? > > > > doug riemer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Sanjiv, Doug & Alex, I have a few comments on this and have included them under relevant extracts of your mail: > > "Swa simply means "self" and may refer to either lagna or atma karaka. So > swamsa refers the position of either lagna or atmakaraka in navamsa. > Parasara used "swamsa" for both lagnamsa and karakamsa. So swamsa here is > in Sg or Ta, depending on what we mean." Rath: That is the explanation from 'Maharishi Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra'. In fact Maharishi has given a far more elaborate definition which I have given with examples of use. The point of a more clearly defined term does not arise as swamsa is by itself a very broad term and has been correctly used by Jaimini to spell out the principles as well as their universal applicablity. > > it clearly shows the controversy -- this is a flexible definition. Some > other books try to clarify this confusion by stating Swamsa is the stronger > of the two Lagnamsa and Karakamsa; if we look at the planets posited in the > signs it is clear that Vi becomes the Swamsa in my chart. Then, it is easy > to apply formulas like 5th from Swamsa or 10th from Swamsa... but > otherwise..... Rath: There is no such definition as stronger of the two. Both exist and this has been explained in my book. One is the Souls desire (Karakamsa) and the other is the Lagnas ability (Lagnamsa). If there is a fine blending of the two, then the achievements are fantastic. Alex has given a very good and thorough reading. > It would be better if authors stop referring to Swamsa and clearly define > what they mean i.e. Lagnamsa or Karkamsa. > > Best Regards, > > SA > > > "Alex J" <lostinmotion on 09/24/2001 08:46:04 PM > > Please respond to vedic astrology > > vedic astrology > cc: > [vedic astrology] Re: Combos for astrologers Doug&Sanjiv > > > Dear Doug & Sanjiv, > > Sanjiv's chart makes a good example. Swamsa means the navamsa > ascendant. Looking at the trines from Navamsa ascendant we have only > Mercury and Jupiter in the 5th indicating the natural abilities and > learning interests. > > Jupiter and Mercury are both strong, as one is exalted and the other > is Atmakaraka. In the intellectual sign of Virgo, they give thourough > learning of religious subjects and astrology, as Jupiter and Mercury > are karakas of those. Jupiter here with Mercury also gives > proficiency in many branches of learning. > > Mercury can also give knowledge of commerce or trade here, as Virgo > is a commercial sign, as are the ascending signs. However Jupiter is > the atmakarka in the 5th house, showing that divination of the > future, and religion is the soul's desire. > > As the Atmakaraka is in the 5th house, the Karakamsa ascendant is > Virgo, possessing those same planets, thereby indicating the same > interests, but in this case the soul's inclinations. Happily there is > a confluence, so there is no clash between the soul and present > incarnation. > > Arudha Lagna was also given, as the same combinations recommended to > be looked at from Swamsa apply from here as well. Jupiter is in the > 9th house, and Mercury owns the AL, going into Jupiter's sign, > showing the same relationship and abilities/interests. Rahu also is > in the 9th, which according to Parasar gives astrological abilities > as well. > > hope this helps, > > Alex J > > vedic astrology, "Sanjiv Aggarwal/CanWest/IBM" > <sanjiv@c...> wrote: > > > > This is a great question. I have not read a precise definition to > date. > > By precise, I mean one that is clear and completely unambiguous. > Allow me > > to query the example from my chart. > > > > D-1 D-9 > > Lagna Taurus(with Jup(AK) and Rahu) Taurus > > AL Virgo (empty; MerR in Pi) Virgo (with AK and Mer) > > KL Virgo (naturally per above) > > > > Illustrating Swamsha with the above example would be a good > exercise to > > support the definition and will be very much appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > SA > > > > "Doug Riemer" <vedic@k...> on 09/24/2001 03:35:55 PM > > > > Please respond to vedic astrology > > > > vedic astrology > > cc: > > [vedic astrology] Re: Combinations for astrologers > > > > > > What is Swampsa? > > > > doug riemer > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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