Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Om Krishna Guru --------------- Respected Guruji(s) and dear friends, I was meditating on the possible outcome of current US Crisis and it occurred to me that; if someone has an accurate chart for Bin Laden, we could try and 'Reverse Predict' the outcome of any strikes. Before I go on further, if this topic has already been discussed at this or other list, then please forgive me; as a lot of these threads are mixed up in my mind. While I did read some threads about Bin Laden, I am not sure as to whether the precise birth time of Laden was established or not? I remember Sanjay Ji asking for additional details regarding Bin Laden... Today; I was watching a TV-documentary; where they were interviewing a Pakistani gentleman. According to this gentleman; he had visited Bin Laden in 1998 and his observations were: 1) Bin Laden has a severe back ache or problems and therefore uses a cane to walk. 2) Bin Laden needs to constantly drink lots of water, possibly due to problems with one of his kidneys. 3) Bin Laden is a very shy person, but with a cold heart [that is merciless in decisions regarding innocent sacrifices] and therefore dangerous and evil. 4) Bin Laden changes residence every few days [usually camps in desert - made of make-shift tents]. Anyway... Above were the observations of the person interviewed by the journalist. Now... If anyone has rectified Laden's chart; do we see these conditions reflected there-in? If so, we could calculate Laden's current Shoola Dasa and see the possible outcome. Sorry for the suggestions above. I am sure that most of you [Guruji(s) and experts] have better ideas and ways of verifying the above. But is it not possible to Reverse Predict the outcome of this crisis just by looking at Laden's chart? I mean if we have already seen Bush's chart, as well as Full Moon analysis of US Chart, throwing in Laden's chart and then tallying the results of all three charts could give us a very clear picture. Eagerly awaiting for any comments or guidance regarding above and many thanks in advance. In the meantime... Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take care too. Om Namo Narayana Kind regards and best wishes, Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 There are 3 or 4 dates that may be correct. They are listed on this site http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/binLadenOsama.htm I believe the 7-30-1957 chart for Jiddah, Saudi Arabia at 5 30 am seems very fitting. Stacey ron (AT) iterre (DOT) com [ron (AT) iterre (DOT) com]Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:41 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Bin Laden - Reverse Predictions?Om Krishna Guru---------------Respected Guruji(s) and dear friends,I was meditating on the possible outcome of current US Crisis and it occurred to me that; if someone has an accurate chart for Bin Laden, we could try and 'Reverse Predict' the outcome of any strikes. Before I go on further, if this topic has already been discussed at this or other list, then please forgive me; as a lot of these threads are mixed up in my mind. While I did read some threads about Bin Laden, I am not sure as to whether the precise birth time of Laden was established or not? I remember Sanjay Ji asking for additional details regarding Bin Laden...Today; I was watching a TV-documentary; where they were interviewing a Pakistani gentleman. According to this gentleman; he had visited Bin Laden in 1998 and his observations were: 1) Bin Laden has a severe back ache or problems and therefore uses a cane to walk. 2) Bin Laden needs to constantly drink lots of water, possibly due to problems with one of his kidneys. 3) Bin Laden is a very shy person, but with a cold heart [that is merciless in decisions regarding innocent sacrifices] and therefore dangerous and evil. 4) Bin Laden changes residence every few days [usually camps in desert - made of make-shift tents].Anyway...Above were the observations of the person interviewed by the journalist. Now...If anyone has rectified Laden's chart; do we see these conditions reflected there-in?If so, we could calculate Laden's current Shoola Dasa and see the possible outcome.Sorry for the suggestions above. I am sure that most of you [Guruji(s) and experts] have better ideas and ways of verifying the above. But is it not possible to Reverse Predict the outcome of this crisis just by looking at Laden's chart? I mean if we have already seen Bush's chart, as well as Full Moon analysis of US Chart, throwing in Laden's chart and then tallying the results of all three charts could give us a very clear picture. Eagerly awaiting for any comments or guidance regarding above and many thanks in advance. In the meantime...Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take care too. Om Namo NarayanaKind regards and best wishes, Ron Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/2001 Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release 9/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Stacey - your 5:30 AM birth chart does look very apt. Thank you for taking your time to rectify it. One comment - on my 9/16 forecast(posted here, message #9157) I mentioned that 10/1 - 10/5 looks like the time for the U S to take action. With your chart, Stacey, bin Laden ends his Rahu Dasa on 10/1, and Rahu is well known to give a "bite" at the beginning and ending of his cycles. This could be a coincidence, but it would be a very nice one. With Rahu transiting his 12th, this could bring confinement by foreigners - the U S or other allies. thanks again, doug riemer vedic astrology, "Stacey Hoffmann" <spacey@k...> wrote: > There are 3 or 4 dates that may be correct. They are listed on this site > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/binLadenOsama.htm > I believe the 7-30-1957 chart for Jiddah, Saudi Arabia at 5 30 am seems very > fitting. > Stacey > > > > > ron@i... [ron@i...] > Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:41 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Bin Laden - Reverse Predictions? > > > Om Krishna Guru > --------------- > > Respected Guruji(s) and dear friends, > > I was meditating on the possible outcome of current US Crisis and it > occurred to me that; if someone has an accurate chart for Bin Laden, > we could try and 'Reverse Predict' the outcome of any strikes. > > Before I go on further, if this topic has already been discussed at > this or other list, then please forgive me; as a lot of these threads > are mixed up in my mind. > > While I did read some threads about Bin Laden, I am not sure as to > whether the precise birth time of Laden was established or not? > > I remember Sanjay Ji asking for additional details regarding Bin > Laden... > > Today; I was watching a TV-documentary; where they were interviewing > a Pakistani gentleman. > > According to this gentleman; he had visited Bin Laden in 1998 and his > observations were: > > 1) Bin Laden has a severe back ache or problems and therefore uses a > cane to walk. > > 2) Bin Laden needs to constantly drink lots of water, possibly due to > problems with one of his kidneys. > > 3) Bin Laden is a very shy person, but with a cold heart [that is > merciless in decisions regarding innocent sacrifices] and therefore > dangerous and evil. > > 4) Bin Laden changes residence every few days [usually camps in > desert - made of make-shift tents]. > > Anyway... > > Above were the observations of the person interviewed by the > journalist. > > Now... > > If anyone has rectified Laden's chart; do we see these conditions > reflected there-in? > > If so, we could calculate Laden's current Shoola Dasa and see the > possible outcome. > > Sorry for the suggestions above. I am sure that most of you > [Guruji(s) and experts] have better ideas and ways of verifying the > above. > > But is it not possible to Reverse Predict the outcome of this crisis > just by looking at Laden's chart? > > I mean if we have already seen Bush's chart, as well as Full Moon > analysis of US Chart, throwing in Laden's chart and then tallying the > results of all three charts could give us a very clear picture. > > Eagerly awaiting for any comments or guidance regarding above and > many thanks in advance. > > In the meantime... > > Please convey my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all > take care too. > > Om Namo Narayana > > Kind regards and best wishes, > > Ron > > > Sponsor > > > Start here... > > Height: > 345678 ft 01234567891011in > > Weight: > lbs. kg. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > -- -------- > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release 9/18/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2001 Report Share Posted September 23, 2001 Dear Ron, I don't have an opinion on the correct chart. It is more or less pointless to try to rectify when there are hundreds of possible dates. Based on the symptoms you gave, I will only give what I expect in the correct chart. > According to this gentleman; he had visited Bin Laden in 1998 and his > observations were: > > 1) Bin Laden has a severe back ache or problems and therefore uses a > cane to walk. > > 2) Bin Laden needs to constantly drink lots of water, possibly due to > problems with one of his kidneys. > > 3) Bin Laden is a very shy person, but with a cold heart [that is > merciless in decisions regarding innocent sacrifices] and therefore > dangerous and evil. > > 4) Bin Laden changes residence every few days [usually camps in > desert - made of make-shift tents]. If these are true, expect the following combinations. (1) He may have high pitta dosha. (2) His D-6 (diseases) may have a srong affliction (possibly nodal) in Libra or Virgo, suggesting kidney/liver/spleen problems and hence lower back pain. (3) Saturn and Mars may be linked in his rasi, navamsa and dasamsa charts by way of conjunction, opposition or parivartana (exchange). Saturn gives coolness, shyness and composure (also mass support). Mars gives boldness, cruelty and strong-mindedness. (4) His navamsa chart may have Mars and nodes in trines or 7th. (5) His rasi or dasamsa charts may have Sasa yoga (roaming around hills and being served by many servants) and possibly Ruchaka yoga too (militant leadership). (6) Saturn may be aspecting or joining a weak and afflicted Sun in his rasi or dasamsa chart (falling apart with king). (7) With his big and attractive eyes, I am more or less sure he has Venus in lagna or lagna in Pisces (probably the former). (8) Gulika shows the troubles one gives to others. His Gulika may be closely joined by a planet showing people of other religions in his chart or a planet showing powerful enemies. (9) The charm in his face makes me think that he has Sun in lagna. (10) Lagna is probably Gemini or Leo or Scorpio or Aquarius. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2001 Report Share Posted September 23, 2001 Om Krishna Guru --------------- Respected Narasimha Ji and Dear Stacey, Doug, and friends: Pranaam Narasimha Ji... You are very right about not having an opinion. And yes; unless we get a firm anchor on *at least* the precise date, it is tiring to keep rectifying the Vargas based on available information. I have been taught to rectify based on several Vargas. Including Drekkana, Navamsa, Shodasamsa, Vimsamsa, Chaturvimsamsa, and upon knowing the person very well I also consider Saptamsa as well as Dasamsa. Well... In Laden's case, first of all, thanks for your guidance on what to look for in each Varga. Please accept my sincere gratitude. Until now, we do have bits and pieces of information about each Varga of Laden... E.g.: 1) Placing three or four wives in Navamsa [though Upa Pada would only show marriage and we are not sure of whether actual marriage took place --- except for first two]. 2) Brother of seventeen children in Drekkana [if I remember correctly that he had 16 sibblings] 3) Desha-Nikala [or driven from country] based on Chaturthamsa and other Vargas. 4) 13 children from Saptamsa [though my Diksha Guruji advised me that I should not rectify by that Varga as I am not qualified to do so (yet)]. 5) Living in caves, tents, etc. and living a life of simplicity based on Chaturthamsa as well as Shodasamsa and other Vargaas. 6) Extremely zealous about religion [to the extent of being a fanatic] based on Vimsamsa. 7) Extremely intelligent and clever as well as well educated and knowledgeable *mostly* based on Chaturvimsamsa. 8) Extremely evil and dangerous based on Rudramsa and Trimsamsa. As well as all the other indications and Vargaas; which you have already highlighted in this thread. What I will try and attempt to do next is to plot all charts possible for such combinations in and around the dates that are currently floating. However, at moment; I am using the following: March 10, 1957, 10:55:00 PM, 03:00 East of GMT, 39East12, 21North30. Note: I have not checked the above chart for all Vargas and possibilities as I have just studied the Rasi and Navamsa. Thus a lot of rectification is required in the above timing. End note. In any case...I hope to succeed in establishing the correct chart with Shastyamsa rectification [if possible] to see how come this man has such Karma? Once again many thanks again Narasimha Ji; for all your guidance and time. Doug and Stacey, my thanks to you both too for the additional information and suggestions provided by you. Let us see whether or not; we will be successful in establishing the correct chart :-) In the meantime... Please give my best regards to all your loved ones ever and you all take care too. Om Namo Narayana Kind regards and best wishes from Ron vedic astrology, pvr@c... wrote: > Dear Ron, > > I don't have an opinion on the correct chart. It is more or less > pointless to try to rectify when there are hundreds of possible dates. > > Based on the symptoms you gave, I will only give what I expect in the > correct chart. > > > According to this gentleman; he had visited Bin Laden in 1998 and > his > > observations were: > > > > 1) Bin Laden has a severe back ache or problems and therefore uses > a > > cane to walk. > > > > 2) Bin Laden needs to constantly drink lots of water, possibly due > to > > problems with one of his kidneys. > > > > 3) Bin Laden is a very shy person, but with a cold heart [that is > > merciless in decisions regarding innocent sacrifices] and therefore > > dangerous and evil. > > > > 4) Bin Laden changes residence every few days [usually camps in > > desert - made of make-shift tents]. > > If these are true, expect the following combinations. > > (1) He may have high pitta dosha. > > (2) His D-6 (diseases) may have a srong affliction (possibly nodal) > in Libra or Virgo, suggesting kidney/liver/spleen problems and hence > lower back pain. > > (3) Saturn and Mars may be linked in his rasi, navamsa and dasamsa > charts by way of conjunction, opposition or parivartana (exchange). > Saturn gives coolness, shyness and composure (also mass support). > Mars gives boldness, cruelty and strong-mindedness. > > (4) His navamsa chart may have Mars and nodes in trines or 7th. > > (5) His rasi or dasamsa charts may have Sasa yoga (roaming around > hills and being served by many servants) and possibly Ruchaka yoga > too (militant leadership). > > (6) Saturn may be aspecting or joining a weak and afflicted Sun in > his rasi or dasamsa chart (falling apart with king). > > (7) With his big and attractive eyes, I am more or less sure he has > Venus in lagna or lagna in Pisces (probably the former). > > (8) Gulika shows the troubles one gives to others. His Gulika may be > closely joined by a planet showing people of other religions in his > chart or a planet showing powerful enemies. > > (9) The charm in his face makes me think that he has Sun in lagna. > > (10) Lagna is probably Gemini or Leo or Scorpio or Aquarius. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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