Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Dear Satya, You are very close re the current dasa >Whether the results are favourable or not, is decided > based on the sublord. Interestingly both Venus and Sun > are in Jupiter's sub. Jupiter himself is the 12th cusp > sublord signifying the 9th and 8th strongly, & 1,3,6 > also. So there might be changes in job and residence, > high chances of accidents/bodily injury, > confinement/hospitalization, trouble with vehicles, > legal matters, big expenditure on small matters, > indiscreet way of enjoying life & secret sorrows, and > spiritual activities or thoughts. He might also have > thoughts of a second relationship during the current > dasha. a) he was in a foreign country, resident and working there b) had bodily injury - brain tumour c) hospitalization/confinement - due to above d) changes to job/residence due to the illness He was fighting it for for the last year or so, but finally died of it at the start of the year. The link of sublord Jupiter as signifying the 8th and 9th strongly does seem to work. And as venus itself also signifies the 8th, this seems to have created a confluence (I'm a sucker for confluence). So there definitely seems to be a reason to pursue the KP sub. If you wish to expand on the analysis with this feedback, I am sure it will be a useful exercise. I did notice that both venus and sun were also in rahu's nakshatra, and that rahu was aspecting the ascendant and ascendant ruler and was one of the two malefics aspecting the ascendant. Also jupiter as a functional malefic was also aspecting the ascendant. In transit, rahu was over the ascendant ruler and again aspecting the ascendant. Regards, Nimmi - "Dr.Satya Prakash Chowdhary" <satyaketu <vedic astrology> Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:04 PM [vedic astrology] Blind Analysis (Nimmi) > > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > Dear Nimmi, > > Namaste > > > > So far I have not posted any further data on it to > > > the group as I saw it as a great test case for > > > technique resolution. For the same reason I do not > > > want to say any more about the chart. I wonder > > > whether you would care to post a blind analysis of > > > the chart to the group using KP? It would be a > very > > > valuable process for us to see the technique > > >applied to a chart that has not been obvious. > > > This is regarding the chart you had asked me to > analyze. I had been postponing the analysis due to > lack of time and also because I am not so good at > typing and take time to type. I am currently in India > traveling. Instead of waiting to get time for a longer > analysis I decided to go ahead and do a short one and > here it is. The time seems to be fairly accurate at > least as far as the lagna sublord is concerned. But > other cuspal sublords may change within the *range of > the ascendant sublord span. Since this is a *blind > analysis, there is no such thing as a thorough > verification through past events. But the analysis > will help to know the style of KP. For calculations > and judging significators KP style, one may refer to > any standard book or use Parasara's Light. Here we go. > > First the scope of the chart, the general framework > within which it operates. This can be judged from the > cuspal sublords, how they are linked to other houses. > > 1st cusp sublord Venus is a strong significator of 4th > house. This indicates educational success. The person > is very well educated. He will also gain well through > 4th house matters like properties etc. Interest in > occult/spiritual studies. Furthermore Venus is in the > 9th. Hence the person might have a positive > relation/gains through father. If more indications are > found in the chart, asc sublord in the 9th in Rahu's > nakshatra is an indication that the person may live in > a distant place/abroad. The person would have done > some research and could possibly hold a doctorate > since the asc sublord strongly signifies both the 4th > and the 9th. It also weakly signifies the 1st and 8th. > The asc sublord linked to the 8th can mean > accidents/injuries etc. But on the positive side, > gains through legacy, insurance, shares, arrears, > entangled money etc. But this is only a weak/minor > indication. > > (Venus is in the nakshatra of Rahu) Since the star > lord of the asc sublord is *Rahu who is in Capricorn, > the person may be dark relatively. He will have a > broad face and forehead, long nose and rough lips. He > will be bold, takes initiative and is stern. > > 2nd cusp sublord is Rahu who is a strong significator > of 1st and 4th houses. 2nd sublord linked to 1st > indicates that the person will find it relatively easy > to make money through personal efforts. Since it is in > the 4th house as well as Mars nakshatra, gains through > properties can be expected. It could also mean a well > educated person with earnings from the field of > education. > > 3rd cusp sublord is Venus in Rahu's nak in the 9th > indicates contact and correspondence with foreigners, > research, long distance travel, higher education, > interest in occult subjects, religious institutions, > geology and minerals, marries a stranger (not arranged > marriage). Since it is a strong significator of the > 4th , once again gains or easy deals in lands and > vehicles are indicated. Such a person will be > successful in interviews and exams, paper work, > libraries etc. Change of residence (shift) is also > indicated. Helpful brothers and/or neighbours. > > 4th cusp sublord Rahu is a strong significator of 1st > and 4th indicating ownership of properties (buildings > and lands), gains through parents, interested in > occult knowledge, always connected to studies, one who > runs educational institutions. > > 5th cusp sublord Mercury is a strong significator of > 7th and 9th . As a significator of the 7th it > indicates a love marriage with an understanding > partner. Related to the 9th it indicates quick > judgement, intelligence, research, good manners and a > cheerful person. > > 6th cusp sublord Rahu is a significator of 1st house > poor resistance against diseases and ill health. Being > in the 4th it gives success in the fields of education > and real estate (properties). The person will be a > successful teacher and gets money through lending or a > bank. > > 7th cusp sublord Sun is a strong significator of the > 4th indicating some delay/difficulties in marriage and > also that the partner is employed and has her own > landed property. Sublord Sun in 9th > indicates good understanding with wife, travels to > holy places with spouse and a good knowledge of > commerce and finance matters. 7th Sublord Sun is also > the ruler of 11 in Gemini (dual sign) conjunct Mercury > (dual planet) indicating more than one marriage. > > 8th sublord Saturn is a significator of both 4th and > 12th indicating that he is liable to accidents, > injuries etc, be hospitalised and might have trouble > through vehicles. As a significator of the 10th > indicates a good job, status and rise in career. > > 9th cusp sublord Ketu is a significator of 9th > indicating a scholar, travels, knowledge of religion > etc. In the 10th he indicates distinction and higher > status abroad and earnings through religion or > research. Being a significator of 12th also he > definitely indicates that the person will settle > abroad away from kith and kin, and traveling. Whenever > the 9th cusp sublord is a significator of both 9 and > 12, or even 7,9 & 12, the person definitely takes > citizenship of the foreign country. > > 10th cusp sublord Mars as a significator of the 4th > indicates that he had a good status even at homeland, > gains through land and vehicles and business > organization abilities. Being the ruler of 2nd he > gives financial improvement and name and gains through > speaking, teaching, and on platforms. As ruler of the > 7th indicates business abilities, pleasing manners, > and one respected by the public. Being in the 1st > indicates that he would have gained status through own > efforts and hard work, growth in career etc. > > 11th cusp sublord Ketu is a significator of 9th > indicating gains and fulfillment through research > studies or inventions, attachment to father, religious > or spiritual nature and gains through travels and > foreign countries. As a significator of the 10th that, > he will get awards from government and private > institutions, respected by others, father amassing > wealth etc. 12th house link gives expenditure, > spiritual activities etc. > > 12th sublord Jupiter in the 8th gives accidents, > hospitalization, loans and worries. As a strong > significator of the 9th and 3rd, he makes the person > tour abroad, frequent change of residence, fortune > abroad, and gains through correspondence. > > In this manner first we get an overall picture of the > person through the cuspal sublords. Then we start > doing the dasha readings. Since you wanted > specifically for this year, I will go straight to the > current dasha/ bhukti. > > Venus is a strong significator of the 4th since he is > in the nakshatra of a planet (Rahu) in the 4th. He is > in the 9th. Additionally he is ruler of 1st and 8th. > So we should expect him to give predominantly the > results of the 4th house & 9th and partly the results > of 1st and 8th. > > Sun is also a strong significator of the 4th. He is > also in the 9th. He is a ruler of the 11th. With this > background we can expect the focus to be in the 4th > and 9th house events. The fourth deals with home, > vehicles, properties, schools & colleges, false > allegations, secret affairs, etc. The 9th deals with > research, long journeys, law and legal arbitration, > immigration etc. > > Whether the results are favourable or not, is decided > based on the sublord. Interestingly both Venus and Sun > are in Jupiter's sub. Jupiter himself is the 12th cusp > sublord signifying the 9th and 8th strongly, & 1,3,6 > also. So there might be changes in job and residence, > high chances of accidents/bodily injury, > confinement/hospitalization, trouble with vehicles, > legal matters, big expenditure on small matters, > indiscreet way of enjoying life & secret sorrows, and > spiritual activities or thoughts. He might also have > thoughts of a second relationship during the current > dasha. > > In the above manner we can do readings for other > dashas/ antardashas too. But the above illustrates the > general style and approach of KP. The interplay of the > subs and nakshatras, is the main feature here. In KP > for predictions with *timing, ruling planets are used > extensively. But RPs cannot be used in a backward > study. So it is more easier to do KP full fledged in a > real prediction rather than past analysis. I will stop > here now since I have to get back to other things. > Hope it may be of some use. I may not write for some > days again. I will be able to answer only in short > replies that too not too frequently, during the coming > months. > > Regards, > Satya > > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger > http://phonecard./ > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2001 Report Share Posted August 17, 2001 Aum Namah Shivaya! Dear Nimmi, Namaste. > You are very close re the current dasa > a) he was in a foreign country, resident and working there > b) had bodily injury - brain tumour > c) hospitalization/confinement - due to above > d) changes to job/residence due to the illness > He was fighting it for for the last year or so, but finally died of >it at the start of the year. The link of sublord Jupiter as >signifying the 8th and 9th strongly does seem to work. > So there definitely seems to be a reason to pursue the KP sub. > If you wish to expand on the analysis with this feedback, I am sure >it will be a useful exercise. I am glad that you agree that the sublord seems to work and merits study. I will avoid an elaborate expansion since I don't have much time. Instead a few quick pointers. The stress here is on Jupiter being the ***12th cusp sublord. Furthermore he signifies the 7th, 8th and 9th. The 7th (maraka) and 8th (longevity, serious illness, problems that are shocking enough to take toll on one's life). All these factors together make him dangerous. Of course there is a range within which the affects can manifest. Grave illness, accidents, worries, hospitalization and at its worst, even death (8th and 12th houses). Of course generally we don't predict death however bad the period, unless we have ascertained the longevity (alpa, Madhya or poorna). In principle most astrologers would agree that all or some of these could be anticipated with Jupiter's portfolio in this chart. But only KP would bring Jupiter's role as sublord of the the dasha lord (venus) as well as the *12th cusp lord in the 7th, also signifying 8th and 9th & 1,3,6. Now look at Ketu. As the 9th cusp sublord signifying the 12th and 9th houses, during his dasha (1990 to 1997) he would have taken the person abroad and made him a full fledged resident there. The same Ketu as the sub sub period lord (Venus-Venus-Ketu between 12th Nov 2000 to 22nd Jan 2001 ) could prove very bad or even fatal since Ketu is in the sub of Saturn. Here it should be pointed out that Sat is the 8th cusp sublord in the 12th indicating hospitalization due to a grave accident or illness and danger to life! Again Ven-Ven-Ketu- Saturn ie, Jan 1st to 12th is the most dangerous of all. In real life, if this chart had come to a practitioner of KP, along with the natal chart, (s)he would have done a *prasna KP style and of course the *Ruling planets, as always. Then only would any astrologer predict or indicate death (if required). Whether or not the practitioner would have predicted death, I am sure of one thing. Any serious student of KP would have anticipated some grave illness/injury/accident, hospitalization, worry, legal matters, expenditure, and changes in job and residence. Another interesting thing to note is the Varshaphal for that year. I looked into the varshaphal chart just now (though I haven't seen other KP astrologers doing this, I use Varshaphal also KP style with sublords in all accurate birth times). There it is almost unmistakable. One more pointer. KP way of judging longevity/death, is based on simple astrological reasoning and a few basics like the marakas, badhakas and cuspal sublords. These pointers, I hope will suffice for the interested few. Unfortunately I cannot write a full length explanation now. Hope to do it some other day. Let me explain one point clearly lest someone misunderstands the use of subs. The *CUSPAL subs hold the KEY, not anybody else. It is only the Cuspal sublords who change in the case of twins, not the planetary sub lords. So it is of paramount importance to judge the benefic/malefic nature of subs through *cuspal interlinks. That is why a full analysis of the Cuspal interlinks should be done even before one looks into the chart and dashas. I had devoted 3/4th space in the previous mail to this. But the actual dasha reading itself took less space.Once the cuspal interlinks are understood, one can do the dasha readibg relatively easily. In the same chart if one has observed the cuspal interlinks first, it is then very easy to predict that during Ketu dasha the person would have gone abroad and taken the citizenship of a foreign country (cuspal interlink of 9th cuspsublord Ketu with 12th and 9th houses). Most people read a few books on KP, assume that they have understood the methodology, start using the subs with either no reference or partial reference to the CUSPAL INTERLINKS and decry KP. If one understands this simple, but very crucial link, 80-90% of the time better heights of accuracy can be achieved. Of course one can do this with traditional astrology too (for that matter I don't see much difference between both in the *principles; maybe the methodologies differ) with the use of multiple dashas and concepts. But KP does it with a SIMPLE & *CONSISTENT METHODOLOGY. *Practicing astrologers will appreciate my insistence on a simple, consistent methodology for day to day work. Whether it is a retrospective analysis or for a prediction, KP always has the same approach- simple and consistent. Unfortunately I have to stop now. Hopefully I will address the topic of cuspal interlinks (there is a lot more to it) at length some other time. Or I might cover that in the OZCVA Quarterly Journal at least. Regards, Satya PS: In my classes I always insist that a planet within 1 degree 46 minutes and 40 seconds of its mrityubhaga point should be observed closely. Though it is right to use the lesser range advocated by Shri K.N.Raoji as a safe range, it is equally interesting to see the effects of the planets within the range specified by me (it is based on observation and a series of Prasnas to ascertain the right value).Though not always, quite often it is helpful. Though I observe them, I depend solely on the *Cuspal sublords for my predictions. Have you seen the degrees of Venus and Sun? And Saturn too. BTW Rahu signifies tumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2001 Report Share Posted August 18, 2001 Dear Nimmi, namaste. Somehow or other I missed the chart of the demised person whose maraka dasa was analysed by Satyaji. Would you mind reposting the birth details? Regards, Arno satyaketu schrieb: > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > Dear Nimmi, > > Namaste. > > > You are very close re the current dasa > > a) he was in a foreign country, resident and working there > > b) had bodily injury - brain tumour > > c) hospitalization/confinement - due to above > > d) changes to job/residence due to the illness > > He was fighting it for for the last year or so, but finally died of > >it at the start of the year. The link of sublord Jupiter as > >signifying the 8th and 9th strongly does seem to work. > > So there definitely seems to be a reason to pursue the KP sub. > > If you wish to expand on the analysis with this feedback, I am sure > >it will be a useful exercise. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 Dear Arno, Here it is. Please feel free to post any analysis to the group. I would be very interested in any other methods that highlights this period for this person. The events in this chart have convinced me more than ever that the nakshatras are crucial in predictions. Regards, Nimmi - "Arno Holzmann" <arno.holzmann <vedic astrology> Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:58 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Blind Analysis (Nimmi) > > Dear Nimmi, namaste. > > Somehow or other I missed the chart of the demised person whose maraka dasa > was analysed by Satyaji. Would you mind reposting the birth details? > Regards, Arno > > > satyaketu schrieb: > > > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > > > Dear Nimmi, > > > > Namaste. > > > > > You are very close re the current dasa > > > a) he was in a foreign country, resident and working there > > > b) had bodily injury - brain tumour > > > c) hospitalization/confinement - due to above > > > d) changes to job/residence due to the illness > > > He was fighting it for for the last year or so, but finally died of > > >it at the start of the year. The link of sublord Jupiter as > > >signifying the 8th and 9th strongly does seem to work. > > > So there definitely seems to be a reason to pursue the KP sub. > > > If you wish to expand on the analysis with this feedback, I am sure > > >it will be a useful exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Sarath Gamage.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 Aum Namah Shivaya! Dear Nimmi, Namaste. While it is true that Venus is the 8th lord, 22nd drekkana lord as well as the 64th navamsha lord and is reasonably close to the mrityubhaga point etc, the actual deciding factor is that venus is the 1st cusp sublord signifying the 8th (fatal under some conditions), in the nakshatra of 6th cusp sublord rahu signifying strongly the 1st house (lack of resistance to illness and succumbing to illness), and finally that Venus is in the sub of 12th cusp sublord Jupiter signifying the 8th (& of course other imp houses like 7th, 1st, 3rd,etc). As expected Venus becomes the agent for Rahu, being in his nakshatra. So the disease/illness that Rahu (tumour) had to give, gets transferred to Venus. The nakshatra's role ends here. The outcome itself, whether it will lead to hospitalisation, prove fatal or otherwise, is decided by the sublord Jupiter. I am trying to summarise the main points as I look at it just to make it more clearer, since in the last mails it could be hidden in the many aspects and explanations dealt with. Regards, Satya vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> wrote: > Dear Arno, > Here it is. Please feel free to post any analysis to the group. I would be > very interested in any other methods that highlights this period for this > person. The events in this chart have convinced me more than ever that the > nakshatras are crucial in predictions. > > Regards, > > Nimmi > - > "Arno Holzmann" <arno.holzmann@u...> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:58 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Blind Analysis (Nimmi) > > > > > > Dear Nimmi, namaste. > > > > Somehow or other I missed the chart of the demised person whose maraka > dasa > > was analysed by Satyaji. Would you mind reposting the birth details? > > Regards, Arno > > > > > > satyaketu schrieb: > > > > > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > Dear Nimmi, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > You are very close re the current dasa > > > > a) he was in a foreign country, resident and working there > > > > b) had bodily injury - brain tumour > > > > c) hospitalization/confinement - due to above > > > > d) changes to job/residence due to the illness > > > > He was fighting it for for the last year or so, but finally died of > > > >it at the start of the year. The link of sublord Jupiter as > > > >signifying the 8th and 9th strongly does seem to work. > > > > So there definitely seems to be a reason to pursue the KP sub. > > > > If you wish to expand on the analysis with this feedback, I am sure > > > >it will be a useful exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 Dear Satya, Thanks for that clarification. I agree that venus is 8th lord, 22nd Drekkana lord. But surely the 64th Navamsa would be capricorn and ruled by saturn? I must get to know the mrityubagha. I always miss out on that. Speaking of which, my sun is within around a degree of my mrityubagha. Would this explain a serious falling out with my father? Apart from that, I cannot recall any serious illness etc in a sun sub period. My sun is in the 12th sign as well so that also leads to the separation from father. I am attaching my chart for your research on mrityubhaga. The closest call I had was on the 18th of September 1999 when I had a burst diverticulum. By the way, do you know the principles for calculating the placidus cusps? >From memory, KP uses the cusp to cusp method for calculating planetary positions as well. Regards, Nimmi - <satyaketu <vedic astrology> Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:12 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Blind Analysis (Nimmi) > > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > Dear Nimmi, > > Namaste. > > While it is true that Venus is the 8th lord, 22nd drekkana lord as > well as the 64th navamsha lord and is reasonably close to the > mrityubhaga point etc, the actual deciding factor is that venus is the > 1st cusp sublord signifying the 8th (fatal under some conditions), in > the nakshatra of 6th cusp sublord rahu signifying strongly the 1st > house (lack of resistance to illness and succumbing to illness), and > finally that Venus is in the sub of 12th cusp sublord Jupiter > signifying the 8th (& of course other imp houses like 7th, 1st, > 3rd,etc). As expected Venus becomes the agent for Rahu, being in his > nakshatra. So the disease/illness that Rahu (tumour) had to give, gets > transferred to Venus. The nakshatra's role ends here. The outcome > itself, whether it will lead to hospitalisation, prove fatal or > otherwise, is decided by the sublord Jupiter. I am trying to summarise > the main points as I look at it just to make it more clearer, since in > the last mails it could be hidden in the many aspects and explanations > dealt with. > > Regards, > > Satya > > vedic astrology, "Nimmi Ragavan" <106350.3660@c...> wrote: > > Dear Arno, > > Here it is. Please feel free to post any analysis to the group. I > would be > > very interested in any other methods that highlights this period for > this > > person. The events in this chart have convinced me more than ever > that the > > nakshatras are crucial in predictions. > > > > Regards, > > > > Nimmi > > - > > "Arno Holzmann" <arno.holzmann@u...> > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:58 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Blind Analysis (Nimmi) > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nimmi, namaste. > > > > > > Somehow or other I missed the chart of the demised person whose > maraka > > dasa > > > was analysed by Satyaji. Would you mind reposting the birth > details? > > > Regards, Arno > > > > > > > > > satyaketu schrieb: > > > > > > > Aum Namah Shivaya! > > > > > > > > Dear Nimmi, > > > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > > > You are very close re the current dasa > > > > > a) he was in a foreign country, resident and working there > > > > > b) had bodily injury - brain tumour > > > > > c) hospitalization/confinement - due to above > > > > > d) changes to job/residence due to the illness > > > > > He was fighting it for for the last year or so, but finally > died of > > > > >it at the start of the year. The link of sublord Jupiter as > > > > >signifying the 8th and 9th strongly does seem to work. > > > > > So there definitely seems to be a reason to pursue the KP sub. > > > > > If you wish to expand on the analysis with this feedback, I am > sure > > > > >it will be a useful exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Attachment: (application/octet-stream) nimmi ragavan.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Dear Nimmi, Thanks for resending the chart. Like Arno, I also did not see it anywhere in the archives. A few comments: (1) Rudramsa (D-11) is the chart that shows the destructive forces of Shiva. It shows death and destruction. Forget the fact that Venus and Sun are in the KP-sub owned by Jupiter (who signifies the 8th house as per KP, along with 5 other houses, i.e. signifies half the zodiac). Just note their position in D-11. They are together in 7th! (2) I pointed out in a rectal cancer chart in the past that nodes were in Scorpio in D-30. D-6 and D-30 show sicknesses. D-30 (trimsamsa) shows evils and punishment. Note that both D-6 and D-30 here have nodes in Aries lagna. While nodes in Scorpio trimsamsa gave an ailment in the hidden parts, nodes in Aries trimsamsa gave an ailment in the head. (3) Sun is not only in mrityu bhaga, but he is badhakesh. (4) Most importantly, try Vimsottari dasa started from the longitude of Maandi (Saturn's son) for timing events related to misfortune, suffering, sadness and esp diseases. Try it yourself. Just take Mandi's longitude instead of Moon's and the rest is the same. Sanjay taught this as an important variation of Vimsottari dasa for timing misfortunes. Saturn is roga saham lord. He is in a trine from A6 and shows prosperity of disease. He is in the 12th house of hospitalization and hidden ailments. He joins Gulika and closely joins Maandi (who symbolically shows the poison afflicting one). That's a key factor. He has argala on both roga pada (A6) and mrityu pada (A8). He is in the 8th house from AL (showing the end of the illusion of material existence). He is the 7th lord in 8th in D-11 and a strong killer. How can Saturn not be involved when this person gets disease, gets hospitalized, suffers and finally passes away? If the dasa you are using does not show Saturn as being active, it is clearly not the most appropriate dasa. > Dear Satya, > > Thanks for that clarification. I agree that venus is 8th lord, 22nd Drekkana > lord. But surely the 64th Navamsa would be capricorn and ruled by saturn? I > must get to know the mrityubagha. I always miss out on that. > > Speaking of which, my sun is within around a degree of my mrityubagha. Would > this explain a serious falling out with my father? Apart from that, I cannot I am afraid that's farfetched. A planet in mrityubhaga gives disease, suffering and possibly death. Dwadasamsa (D-12) shows parents. Check your D-12. Sun (significator of father) is in the 8th house with Ketu. That itself is enough to give a strained relationship with father. Moreover, 9th from Sun (lagna is weaker than Sun) has Saturn in an inimical sign. Its lord is Sun again and he is afflicted by nodes. Nodal affliction shows father may have had some addictions, but Mercury shows an intellectual. Some strong malefics (Saturn or nodes) may have been in Gemini-Sagittarius axis when you had a fall out. > recall any serious illness etc in a sun sub period. My sun is in the 12th Sun is not only in mrityu bhaga, but he is the lord of A6 in A8 in 12th house. He has to be involved in your hospitalizations. If he is not, we may not be using the right dasa or right dasa years. > sign as well so that also leads to the separation from father. > > I am attaching my chart for your research on mrityubhaga. The closest call I > had was on the 18th of September 1999 when I had a burst diverticulum. As per Mandi-Vimsottari dasa, you were running Mars-Sun then. Sun owns A6 and Mars owns 6th. They are together in 12th house in A8. Sun is in mrityu bhaga. During the Shoola dasa of a trine from AL, one should be very cautious. They are potentially maraka dasas. In your case, Scorpio also happens to be the 6th house from lagna. So 1998-2007 is a critical period for you. Propitiation of the corresponding Rudra can bring relief. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Aum Namah Shivaya! Namaste Sri Narasimha, > Thanks for resending the chart. Like Arno, I also did not see it > anywhere in the archives. Nimmi had sent the chart to me personally nearly a month back asking for a blind analysis and had written in the same mail that she was sending a copy to you too since she thought that you too would be interested in such a piece of research. > (1) Rudramsa (D-11) is the chart that shows the destructive forces >of Shiva. It shows death and destruction. Forget the fact that Venus >and Sun are in the KP-sub owned by Jupiter (who signifies the 8th >house as per KP, along with 5 other houses, i.e. signifies half the >zodiac). Your point that Jupiter signifies half the zodiac is very misleading when I clearly said that the emphasis is on Jupiter being the *12th cusp sublord. Other significations were also discussed but the focus is on the CUSPAL SUBLORD and Jupiter gets only 12th as Cuspal sublord. If you read my analysis objectively without being biased against KP, remembering that it was a *BLIND ANALYSIS and I still picked up quite a lot closely, it would be more reasonable. I hadn't written anything positive for the said time. It clearly shows how Jupiter has been used. That every planet signifies quite a few houses in astrology is not uncommon. But it is the context and being able to prioritise that differentiates astrologers. Moreover the primary thing here is the Cuspal sublord (as in the case of twins) and Jupiter is the cuspal sublord of only the 12th. And also that Venus is the 1st (body)cusp sublord signifying the 8th (grave illness,death etc) in Rahu's nakshatra who is 6th (illness) cusp sublord signifying the 1st (body)and finally, in Jupiter's sub who is 12th (hospitalisation, expenditure and even death at times) cusp sublord. To an astrologer who is used to KP, it is unmistakable. Even if one studies KP, if one hasn't gone deeper on the CUSPAL INTERLINKS, one would miss the very spirit. Of course using a few dashas and systems one can predict the same. I tried to demonstrate using very few parameters through a consistent methodology that it is possible to give reasonably good predictions with just one dasha and just the basic principles if one uses the subs and nakshatras. But that doesn't mean that one need not research into other dashas or techniques. I was trying to demonstrate the validity of KP. Retrospectively it is easier to dismiss off my *blind analysis and justify the event with other points in the chart. I do respect your knowledge and abilities. But I am quite surprised and disappointed with the way an astrologer of your thinking could use logic that non-astrologers use against astrologers (your point that "Jupiter (who signifies the 8th house as per KP, along with 5 other houses, i.e. signifies half the zodiac"). Anyway I am not here to start a debate or an argument. I was trying to share a different but good methodology since I was asked to. I hope you will take this mail in the right spirit. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Aum Namah Shivaya! Dear Nimmi, >I agree that venus is 8th lord, 22nd Drekkana lord. But surely the >64th Navamsa would be capricorn and ruled by saturn? While the 22nd drekkana and 85th Dwadasamsa are reckoned from the Lagna only, the 64th Navamsa has been dealt with differently by various authors. Jataka Parijata reckons it from the Moon, Prasna Marga from the Moon, Lagna as well as the Sun, the BPHS from the Moon and Asc. Ganapati muni (about whom I had written sometime back) also advocates from the Moon only. Other authors like Dr.K.S.Charak also reckon from the Moon. I too reckon from the Moon. I remember having read somewhere that Ganapati muni said that if the same planet is the 22nd drekkana lord as well as the 64th Navamsa lord (from Moon), death is sure. This was also quoted by the late Sri D.V.Subba Rao, who is considered a brilliant astrologer by the likes of Sri K.N.Raoji. The 22nd Drekkana is the 8th house in D-3, The 85th Dwadasamsa is the 8H in D-12, and The 64th Navamsa is the *4th House from the MOON in the D-9. As you probably know, the 64th Navamsa is similar to the dexter quincunx aspect. As for the Placidus cusps, yes I know how they are calculated. Many good books are available on the same. Thanks for giving the details of your chart. I will look into it when I find time. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Namaste Sri Satya, > Your point that Jupiter signifies half the zodiac is very misleading > when I clearly said that the emphasis is on Jupiter being the *12th > cusp sublord. In the "blind" analysis, this is what you wrote: "Interestingly both Venus and Sun are in Jupiter's sub. Jupiter himself is the 12th cusp sublord signifying the 9th and 8th strongly, & 1,3,6 also." and you gave a long list of things based on it. You talked about the "emphasis" only in later mails. I only paraphrased this as Jupiter signifying half the zodiac. Counting 1, 3, 6, 8, 9 and 12, I see half of the twelve houses. If you think it's "very misleading", I fail to see why. > Retrospectively it is easier to dismiss off my *blind analysis I am not dismissing your analysis, but I am only pointing out the frustrations that students may face with KP. In the above example, Venus-Sun antardasa is running. You gave 4 houses for which Venus is the significator. Then you gave 3 houses for which Sun is the significator and gave their results. Finally, you found that Jupiter is the sub-lord of both (there could've been two sub-lords, expanding the list of houses) and listed 6 houses signified by him and gave a long list of things (of which, quite impressively, some match well). Overall, 8 houses are covered by Venus, Sun and their common sub-lord (six by sub-lord alone). Irrespective of the impressive fact that the long list of results you gave included some correct ones, the issue faced by a student not willing to rely on luck or spiritual strength for correct predictions is: How to reliably choose the correct house from the six or eight houses? (Note: Even if one narrows down to one house, each house still shows tens of things (e.g. 4th = mother, vehicle, education, heart, house etc) and there will still be ambiguity. That's a different issue!) > But I am quite surprised and disappointed > with the way an astrologer of your thinking could use logic that > non-astrologers use against astrologers I only made a valid point that cautions students against getting carried away. I cannot understand your reaction. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Aum Namah Shivaya! Namaste Sri Narasimha, You are mixing significations with CUSPAL SUBLORDS. While the significations expand the analysis, it is the CUSPAL SUBLORD who decides it. As for the list of events given for VEnus or Sun, that is just about considering the significations broadly. They are narrowed down subsequently with the sublord. In what you chose to depict as "a long list of things of which some match well", there are only 9 points given. I am repeating them in the same order. 1.So there might be changes in job and residence, 2.high chances of accidents/bodily injury, 3.confinement/hospitalization, 4.trouble with vehicles, 5.legal matters, 6.big expenditure on small matters, 7.indiscreet way of enjoying life & secret sorrows, 8.and spiritual activities or thoughts. 9He might also have thoughts of a second relationship during the current dasha. Of these Nimmi has confirmed the very first three. Points 7,8 and 9 are more about internal thoughts which cannot be confirmed by another person. She hasn't confirmed 4,5 and 6.But that doesn't mean that they are not correct. I am sure that she can verify from her friends and 2 of the 3 will come correct. The fact that three most important out of 6 events have been confirmed by her is not based on "luck" or "spiritual strength", but on an astrological analysis and reasoning. If you choose to argue like some non-astrologers do that accidents/bodily injury are two points, just for the sake of argument ignoring the fact that we are looking at a similiar 8th house signification, I have nothing to say. I didn't find out finally that Jupiter was the sublord as you wrongly write, but wrote the different steps of an analysis while NARROWING DOWN the multiple things signified by the dasha lord. Again to your question as to how to reliably choose the correct one from the 6 or 8 houses, it is about confluence. It is about how the dasha lord, his nakshatra lord and his sublord connect CLEARLY TO the flow in one direction. The subsequent mails were expansions with additional explanations as desired by her, but with an emphasis because strangers to KP might miss the point. Nimmi's reply showed that she was reading the 8th and 9th houses for jupiter missing the main point of the CUSPAL SUBLORD, the 12th house prominence. So immediately in my next mail I put an asterix before 12th cusp sublord to highlight where I got my point from. Even in the so called long list there was nothing positive that I had given. Normally with the lagna lord Venus in the 9th and 11th lord Sun in the 9th,I should have given atleast some positive things. It is the 12th cusp sublord that made me choose otherwise, not my "luck" or "spiritual strength". I gave the astrological reasoning of the 1st, 6th, 8th ,12th links. What you project as the frustrations a student might face with KP, are common to all students of astrology. Looking for confluence and anything else like the sublord that helps to clinch, is the solution. Again you write like a rationalist attacking astrology! For that matter the frustrations that a student faces with multiple dashas and methods often used, the limitations faced by a practising astrologer who needs simple & consistent methodologies for day to day work, are what you should think of. Finally do you subject yourself, your predictions and techniques to such close dissection? Do you remember some questions which Sri Mahalinga raised on some mails of yours? I am really surprised at your unwarranted criticism and cautioning, different standards/ yardstick for yourself and other astrologers. Leaving out retrospective analysis aside, how many blind analyses of yours have you subjected to the same standards? I could have understood the whole thing coming from a non- astrologer. But an astrologer can easily "see" the astrological principles behind what I wrote. Fellow astrologers give credit to others even in cases where the prediction may not have come true exactly, but manifested slightly differently, as long as the astrological reasoning and and significations used come correct. In all honesty, what would you have predicted on this chart with your multiple dashas and techniques? Would you have definitely fared better? I hope you address some of these questions to yourself too. Kindly don't assume that I am defensive because you raised certain questions. I am trying to objectively view the whole thing. It is getting late. Guess I will leave it there. Love & Regards, Satya PS: Please dont take anything personal in this. It is only my reply to you as an astrologer defending a system that in my experience and opinion works well. Believe it or not, for some reason I have always had a brotherly feeling with you. vedic astrology, pvr@c... wrote: > Namaste Sri Satya, > > > Your point that Jupiter signifies half the zodiac is very > misleading > > when I clearly said that the emphasis is on Jupiter being the *12th > > cusp sublord. > > In the "blind" analysis, this is what you wrote: > > "Interestingly both Venus and Sun are in Jupiter's sub. Jupiter > himself is the 12th cusp sublord signifying the 9th and 8th strongly, > & 1,3,6 also." > > and you gave a long list of things based on it. You talked about > the "emphasis" only in later mails. > > I only paraphrased this as Jupiter signifying half the zodiac. > Counting 1, 3, 6, 8, 9 and 12, I see half of the twelve houses. If > you think it's "very misleading", I fail to see why. > > > Retrospectively it is easier to dismiss off my *blind analysis > > I am not dismissing your analysis, but I am only pointing out the > frustrations that students may face with KP. > > In the above example, Venus-Sun antardasa is running. You gave 4 > houses for which Venus is the significator. Then you gave 3 houses > for which Sun is the significator and gave their results. Finally, > you found that Jupiter is the sub-lord of both (there could've been > two sub-lords, expanding the list of houses) and listed 6 houses > signified by him and gave a long list of things (of which, quite > impressively, some match well). > > Overall, 8 houses are covered by Venus, Sun and their common sub-lord > (six by sub-lord alone). Irrespective of the impressive fact that the > long list of results you gave included some correct ones, the issue > faced by a student not willing to rely on luck or spiritual strength > for correct predictions is: How to reliably choose the correct house > from the six or eight houses? (Note: Even if one narrows down to one > house, each house still shows tens of things (e.g. 4th = mother, > vehicle, education, heart, house etc) and there will still be > ambiguity. That's a different issue!) > > > But I am quite surprised and disappointed > > with the way an astrologer of your thinking could use logic that > > non-astrologers use against astrologers > > I only made a valid point that cautions students against getting > carried away. I cannot understand your reaction. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Namaste Sri Satya, You should realize that my issue is not whether or not you have done a great job. > Even in the so called long list there was nothing positive that I had > given. Normally with the lagna lord Venus in the 9th and 11th lord Sun > in the 9th,I should have given atleast some positive things. Any pretension that one not using subs would judge Sun antardasa to be a favorable antardasa is unjustified. Not only is Sun in mrityu bhaga, but Sun is badhaka lord. My only point is that KP is not as crtystal-clear as it is made out to be. > What you project as the frustrations a student might face with KP, are > common to all students of astrology. Of course, yes. But you made claims about KP's clarity and so I had to comment on the vagueness. Moreover, we are always trying to address the frustrations, add clarity by differentiating between multiple parameters and so on. I do not see any such differentiation or cleaving in KP. KP just clubs too many things together. For example, there are many significators of each house and many signified houses for each planet. The only differentiation found in KP is that some significations are stronger than others (but even weaker significations are sometimes used in prediction). Even in your "blind" analysis, any discerning observer will find a lot of houses mentioned. If you say that you clearly identified the main house out of them, I disagree. I don't see thjat in the original mail. In any case, let us step back and generalize the question. Will you say that only sub-lord's owned cusp decides the results in such cases? Though it - 12th cusp owned by sub-lord Jupiter - did in this case, won't you use other significations in other cases (I am referring to all the other houses you listed for Venus, Sun and finally Jupiter)? If your answer is yes, my point is made. If it is no, I wonder if we can go through some more charts (I will present them)! We can perhaps do it after you come back from vacation. > Finally do you subject yourself, your predictions and techniques to > such close dissection? Please feel free to dissect my techniques. If you want "blind" analysis from me, I did them in past but not so enthusiastic about them now. My approach needs time-consuming rectification to differentiate the native from many closely born astro-twins. When I got busy, I started to ignore the step of rectification and I had poor results. When I have time for it in future, I WILL be interested in posting "blind" analysis (after rectification) and subjecting myself and my predictions to any level of dissection. Even now, you can dissect my "techniques". I re-iterate that I am NOT dissecting your "predictions". I am only dissecting your "techniques" and showing a high level of vagueness in them. Please feel free to refute my points. But I will end the thread here, as I think I have made my points. You can also end it after you think you've made your points. But we can continue if you want to address more case studies. Enjoy the rest of your vacation in India! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha --------------------- Narasimha P.V.R. Rao email: pvr108 26 Seaver Farm Lane Tel: (508) 839-1218 South Grafton, MA 01560 email: pvr **** Note the address change **** Homepage: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2001 Report Share Posted August 20, 2001 Aum Namah Shivaya! Namaste Sri Narasimha, > Any pretension that one not using subs would judge Sun antardasa to >be a favorable antardasa is unjustified. Not only is Sun in mrityu >bhaga,but Sun is badhaka lord. Strictly speaking according to what some astrologers follow, Sun is not in mrityubhaga. Infact I hadn't used it at all. After my analysis, I only made a passing remark. Would you expect that every Sun subperiod would have been bad. To me the sublords of both the dasha and antardasha hold the key. Even otherwise, from your own statements, it is clear that mrityubhaga is about illness and death, not bad in any other sense. Why had I not used other 9th house points? As you know, a planet in MB might hold physical danger, but could be good career wise or in some other way. What to speak of Venus. In fact the whole thing seems to have happened in Venus antardasha itself. I only included Sun because having not calculated the longevity, I was seeing a continuation of the same bad times even now. The badhaka role is used in KP only for longevity related matters. > The only differentiation found in KP is that some > significations are stronger than others (but even weaker >significations are sometimes used in prediction). That is what you currently understand of KP. I would advise you to first study seriously the CUSPAL INTERLINKS, not significations and then rightly comment. > In any case, let us step back and generalize the question. Will you >say that only sub-lord's owned cusp decides the results in such >cases? Though it> 12th cusp owned by sub-lord Jupiter - did in this >case, won't you use other > significations in other cases Cuspal interlinks are not the same as significations. The cuspal sublord signification overrules other things at all times undoubtedly. > Please feel free to dissect my techniques. No thanks. My policy is to do my work and let others do theirs. I respect all techniques. The efficacy of a technique depends on the practitioner. And of course, the serious reader generally tries all techniques and arrives at his own conclusions just as you and I do. In the past when I did find some inconsistencies at times in your examples or explanations, I did not point out for one reason. That would discourage a student/beginner and bring a bad image to vedic astrology. In time every serious astrologer will find his own answers more through hardwork and God's grace rather than others' comments. > If you want "blind" analysis from > me, I did them in past but not > so enthusiastic about them now. My approach > needs time-consuming >rectification to differentiate the native from many > closely born >astro-twins. When I got busy, I started to ignore the step of > rectification and I had poor results. When I have time for it in future, I > WILL be interested in posting "blind" analysis (after rectification) That is exactly my point. When I had lots of time, I too tried multiple techniques. You yourself agree that all that takes a lot of time. Have you ever practised astrology for clients, as a professional astrologer? You can't sit on one chart the whole day. Neither can you do mediocre work and survive or even first answer yourself. So an intellectually and morally honest practising astrologer starts looking for a simple and consistent methodology that does 80-90% of the job well. Remember the Pareto principle? I did readings at one time professionally and that's when I realised the need for a simple and consistent methodology. wHEN i did that I couldn't sleep for days till I answered myself as to what was the solution and whether it was right. Thus came my preference for KP. Today when I don't do professional readings really much, still the lessons learnt then have stuck with me. But I still practise astrology out of love for the subject. From my experience I feel that KP does a good job with less, much less expenditure of energy and time. Of course if serious and brilliant astrologers study it, there is a lot more that could be advanced. If you go through my previous mails, I have written long back in the first 2 mails on Kp that one should not neglect the traditional techniques and would do better in KP, if one's knowledge of traditional vedic astrology is deeper. I have always considered KP as one more strong wave of Vedic astrology. Once a person understands Kp correctly, the sublords dont take much time. Why shouldn't one consider adding the sublord to the vast array of techniques? Anyway I am not here to convert anyone. But to share my experiences. > Please feel free to refute my points. But I will end the thread here, as I > think I have made my points. You can also end it after you think you've made > your points. I too will end here. With all my love and respects, we can agree to disagree for the time being. > Enjoy the rest of your vacation in India! Thank you. I will. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2001 Report Share Posted August 21, 2001 Namaste Narasimha and Satya, Sorry to intrude into your discussion. There is just ONE point I want to make: Satya may have used one particular signification of Jupiter or may have emphasised one house signification more than the others. The FACT is that what he did was a blind analysis. I read both the initial post by Smt. Nimmi Raghavan and Sri Satya's followup. To my mind, regardless of the technique used, Satya has done a brilliant job. As such, the technique he used needs to be taken seriously by any student of Jyotish (in my opinion). What Narasimha is doing, on the other hand, is POST-FACT analysis. In other words, he wrote on the subject only after it was clear what event occurred and in what time-period it occurred. Needless to say, this is much much much easier to do. He is showing that Satya's result CAN be derived using other (non Krishnamurthy Paddhathi) factors. The point, though, is that in post-fact analysis, just about any reality can be explained using KP or non-KP or KP plus non-KP factors. This is not at all difficult to do. I understand that Narasimha only seems to have time to outline techniques right now, but if he has done any blind analyses in the past, I would love to read them. Any pointers on how to find them would be most welcome. I remain, Mahalinga Iyer vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste Sri Satya, > > You should realize that my issue is not whether or not you have done a great > job. > > > Even in the so called long list there was nothing positive that I had > > given. Normally with the lagna lord Venus in the 9th and 11th lord Sun > > in the 9th,I should have given atleast some positive things. > > Any pretension that one not using subs would judge Sun antardasa to be a > favorable antardasa is unjustified. Not only is Sun in mrityu bhaga, but Sun > is badhaka lord. > > My only point is that KP is not as crtystal-clear as it is made out to be. > > > What you project as the frustrations a student might face with KP, are > > common to all students of astrology. > > Of course, yes. But you made claims about KP's clarity and so I had to > comment on the vagueness. > > Moreover, we are always trying to address the frustrations, add clarity by > differentiating between multiple parameters and so on. I do not see any such > differentiation or cleaving in KP. KP just clubs too many things together. > For example, there are many significators of each house and many signified > houses for each planet. The only differentiation found in KP is that some > significations are stronger than others (but even weaker significations are > sometimes used in prediction). Even in your "blind" analysis, any discerning > observer will find a lot of houses mentioned. If you say that you clearly > identified the main house out of them, I disagree. I don't see thjat in the > original mail. > > In any case, let us step back and generalize the question. Will you say that > only sub-lord's owned cusp decides the results in such cases? Though it - > 12th cusp owned by sub-lord Jupiter - did in this case, won't you use other > significations in other cases (I am referring to all the other houses you > listed for Venus, Sun and finally Jupiter)? If your answer is yes, my point > is made. If it is no, I wonder if we can go through some more charts (I will > present them)! We can perhaps do it after you come back from vacation. > > > Finally do you subject yourself, your predictions and techniques to > > such close dissection? > > Please feel free to dissect my techniques. If you want "blind" analysis from > me, I did them in past but not so enthusiastic about them now. My approach > needs time-consuming rectification to differentiate the native from many > closely born astro-twins. When I got busy, I started to ignore the step of > rectification and I had poor results. When I have time for it in future, I > WILL be interested in posting "blind" analysis (after rectification) and > subjecting myself and my predictions to any level of dissection. Even now, > you can dissect my "techniques". > > I re-iterate that I am NOT dissecting your "predictions". I am only > dissecting your "techniques" and showing a high level of vagueness in them. > > Please feel free to refute my points. But I will end the thread here, as I > think I have made my points. You can also end it after you think you've made > your points. But we can continue if you want to address more case studies. > > Enjoy the rest of your vacation in India! > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > --------------------- > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao email: pvr108 > 26 Seaver Farm Lane Tel: (508) 839-1218 > South Grafton, MA 01560 email: pvr@c... > > **** Note the address change **** > > Homepage: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Dear All, Zai Ganesh. There are none who is always right or wrong in our love to Astrology that is not a pure Science but also an art. I appeal to all to end our egos and contibute to the betterment of science. I think we are falling into the worn out path that is dangerous. My two bob's worth whichever way you take this message. I have seen many a good astrologer succumb to this trend in my long life. As an elder person, my appeal to one and all is to let sanity prevail. Good Luck and God Ganesh lead us in the right path. Sarma Karra >mahalinga_iyer >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Blind Analysis (Nimmi) >Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:31:30 -0000 > >Namaste Narasimha and Satya, > >Sorry to intrude into your discussion. There is just ONE point I want >to make: > >Satya may have used one particular signification of Jupiter or may >have emphasised one house signification more than the others. The >FACT is that what he did was a blind analysis. I read both the >initial post by Smt. Nimmi Raghavan and Sri Satya's followup. To my >mind, regardless of the technique used, Satya has done a brilliant >job. As such, the technique he used needs to be taken seriously by >any student of Jyotish (in my opinion). > >What Narasimha is doing, on the other hand, is POST-FACT analysis. >In other words, he wrote on the subject only after it was clear >what event occurred and in what time-period it occurred. Needless >to say, this is much much much easier to do. He is showing that >Satya's result CAN be derived using other (non Krishnamurthy >Paddhathi) factors. The point, though, is that in post-fact analysis, >just about any reality can be explained using KP or non-KP or KP plus >non-KP factors. This is not at all difficult to do. > >I understand that Narasimha only seems to have time to outline >techniques right now, but if he has done any blind analyses in the >past, I would love to read them. Any pointers on how to find them >would be most welcome. > >I remain, > >Mahalinga Iyer > > >vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste Sri Satya, > > > > You should realize that my issue is not whether or not you have >done a great > > job. > > > > > Even in the so called long list there was nothing positive that I >had > > > given. Normally with the lagna lord Venus in the 9th and 11th >lord Sun > > > in the 9th,I should have given atleast some positive things. > > > > Any pretension that one not using subs would judge Sun antardasa to >be a > > favorable antardasa is unjustified. Not only is Sun in mrityu >bhaga, but Sun > > is badhaka lord. > > > > My only point is that KP is not as crtystal-clear as it is made out >to be. > > > > > What you project as the frustrations a student might face with >KP, are > > > common to all students of astrology. > > > > Of course, yes. But you made claims about KP's clarity and so I had >to > > comment on the vagueness. > > > > Moreover, we are always trying to address the frustrations, add >clarity by > > differentiating between multiple parameters and so on. I do not see >any such > > differentiation or cleaving in KP. KP just clubs too many things >together. > > For example, there are many significators of each house and many >signified > > houses for each planet. The only differentiation found in KP is >that some > > significations are stronger than others (but even weaker >significations are > > sometimes used in prediction). Even in your "blind" analysis, any >discerning > > observer will find a lot of houses mentioned. If you say that you >clearly > > identified the main house out of them, I disagree. I don't see >thjat in the > > original mail. > > > > In any case, let us step back and generalize the question. Will you >say that > > only sub-lord's owned cusp decides the results in such cases? >Though it - > > 12th cusp owned by sub-lord Jupiter - did in this case, won't you >use other > > significations in other cases (I am referring to all the other >houses you > > listed for Venus, Sun and finally Jupiter)? If your answer is yes, >my point > > is made. If it is no, I wonder if we can go through some more >charts (I will > > present them)! We can perhaps do it after you come back from >vacation. > > > > > Finally do you subject yourself, your predictions and techniques >to > > > such close dissection? > > > > Please feel free to dissect my techniques. If you want "blind" >analysis from > > me, I did them in past but not so enthusiastic about them now. My >approach > > needs time-consuming rectification to differentiate the native from >many > > closely born astro-twins. When I got busy, I started to ignore the >step of > > rectification and I had poor results. When I have time for it in >future, I > > WILL be interested in posting "blind" analysis (after >rectification) and > > subjecting myself and my predictions to any level of dissection. >Even now, > > you can dissect my "techniques". > > > > I re-iterate that I am NOT dissecting your "predictions". I am only > > dissecting your "techniques" and showing a high level of vagueness >in them. > > > > Please feel free to refute my points. But I will end the thread >here, as I > > think I have made my points. You can also end it after you think >you've made > > your points. But we can continue if you want to address more case >studies. > > > > Enjoy the rest of your vacation in India! > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > > > --------------------- > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao email: pvr108 > > 26 Seaver Farm Lane Tel: (508) 839-1218 > > South Grafton, MA 01560 email: pvr@c... > > > > **** Note the address change **** > > > > Homepage: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > --------------------- > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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