Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Dear Gurus & friends (both inclusive terms) X is my very good looking, very young cousin-in-law: March 6, 1981, 10/30 pm Chandigarh (76e55, 30n44), TZ 5/30 e of gmt. Lg (Lahiri) is at 16Li05). Round number birth time makes little difference to rasi Lg, tho in Navamsa, Lg could change from Aq to Pi (as change is at 16*40 Li). She wishes to marry Y. After the wedding invitation cards went out last week, her grand-ma forced the family to look at the 2 charts. 3 astrologers said no, due to Mangalik boy (aka Kuja Dosh= KD). Payal is heart-broken, & insists that even if he were to live for just 2 more years, she wants to marry him (note her age!). One of her uncles passed away a few days after marriga, & it was later discovered (after his death) that he was Mangalik; hence it is a very sensitive issue for the family. Currently, chaos is reigning in the household. The boy Y : Oct 21, 1974, Ludhiana, 75e51, 30n54, 4/52 pm, 5/30 e of gmt. KujaDosh (KD) of boy: Ma in 1 from Ve (in own Li= UL, & cnj deb Sn) & 8 from Lg. No exceptions apply & Ma dasa starts in 2006). Well, KD has sooooo many exceptions AND applications (1/2 the houses, that too from any 2 of Lg/ Mn/ Ve). So lets see if Payal also has KD, which cd then cancel his KD. Payal has Ma in 5, which is 1 from Mn & Ve. So, KD from Mn & Ve, tho not from Lg. And no exceptions apply. So does it cancel ? Should they marry? UP matching: Their UL- Lg counter-parts are 3 (bad) & 1 (good). So, cant proceed there, as both conditions not satisfied. Means not fated! So no need to check Mn to Mn or any other compatibility factor too. I should ideally look at Navamsa (7, Ve & UL) & Rasi (UL, 2 & 8 from UL), etc in the individual charts also, but after the above, is it required to do so? AND as I still do not understand strength vs disposition factors clearly (this one was a humble barb at my e-Guru), I cant possibly look at these factors at my ADVANCED stage of learning astrology! (ok, these were in humour, but the question is quite serious, believe me). IF Gurus here say no to this match, is there any advise to my cousin (i mean, how/ what do i tell her, if it is NO). I am not confident of saying it in a helpful fashion. And real knowledge of her individual chart from the view-point of marriage, from you Gurus, would help me say the negative thing far more positively. For eg what to look for in an alternative spouse, as it happens, later. I mean on the long distance I cant just say u cant marry this guy for this mumbo-jumbo reason which she wouldnt care 2 hoots for. Instead if one can say some positive things about her marriage in general, she might accept this current issue. And I can also get to learn some astrology in the process. Thank you and may the Gods bless Nandan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah Dear Nandan. The Upapada matching rarely comes together like a math equation; Your Cousin; Lagna in Libra, aspected by Moon, Sun, Venus and Mars. This should be noted. Upapada in Taurus; aspected by Rahu, Ketu & Merc. Jupiter & Mars give Graha Dristi on the same, as Jupiter is Darakaraka and placed in trines to Upapada. So strong Jupiterian influence + a pinch of saturn. i.e. she may desire to marry a jupiterian. Cousins Courter; Lagna is Pisces, and lord is in Aqua. Moon & Saturn aspect Lagna. Upapada; Libra with Mars, Sun, Merc + Venus. Jup aspects. Theres a strong fated influence on both horoscopes. I'm abit unsure about ur cousins Nav-lagna, but her courters seems quite correct. He's currently running the Pratyantar Dasa of Rahu, placed in 2nd house in Navamsa, giving anxiety. The reason is seen from Aqua, the sign lorded by Rahu, where Jupiter is placed. Hence sages/astrologers, etc are creating his worries. Jupiter becomes very strong in Aqua, its retrogade supports that its related to sins in past birth. Your cousins Navamsa could be off. If the two should marry, then i'm sure the Nav lagna should be Pisces, as Venus; lord of Upapada in Rasi, would be placed in 12th, and confirm the same in her courters chart. Hence the marriage will not last. They both have their Upapadas placed in the 8th house, hence alot of Karmas are to be released through marriage. You say he's Manglik.. i didn't think this was the same as Kuja Dosha? But he has that as well. Nevertheless, the many planets in 8th whilst Lagna lord is in 12th, isn't a good omen. He's running the Shoola Dasa of Scorpio, containing debilitated Rahu, which is also lord of the 2nd house. No benefics aspect, so if he lives beyond his 27th year, i see no ailments for atleast 9 years. His longevity supports medium life(36-72), but i haven't taken all factors into consideration. Hope this helps to show that they may marry after all, but only to fulfill their karmas, which aren't auspicious. Best wishes, Visti. - Nandan.Chakraborty (AT) ilfsindia (DOT) com vedic astrology Monday, July 23, 2001 10:12 AM [vedic astrology] Should they marry?: Urgent Dear Gurus & friends (both inclusive terms)X is my very good looking, very young cousin-in-law: March 6, 1981, 10/30pm Chandigarh (76e55, 30n44), TZ 5/30 e of gmt. Lg (Lahiri) is at 16Li05).Round number birth time makes little difference to rasi Lg, tho in Navamsa,Lg could change from Aq to Pi (as change is at 16*40 Li). She wishes tomarry Y. After the wedding invitation cards went out last week, hergrand-ma forced the family to look at the 2 charts. 3 astrologers said no,due to Mangalik boy (aka Kuja Dosh= KD). Payal is heart-broken, & insiststhat even if he were to live for just 2 more years, she wants to marry him(note her age!). One of her uncles passed away a few days after marriga, &it was later discovered (after his death) that he was Mangalik; hence it isa very sensitive issue for the family. Currently, chaos is reigning in thehousehold.The boy Y : Oct 21, 1974, Ludhiana, 75e51, 30n54, 4/52 pm, 5/30 e of gmt.KujaDosh (KD) of boy: Ma in 1 from Ve (in own Li= UL, & cnj deb Sn) & 8from Lg. No exceptions apply & Ma dasa starts in 2006).Well, KD has sooooo many exceptions AND applications (1/2 the houses, thattoo from any 2 of Lg/ Mn/ Ve). So lets see if Payal also has KD, which cdthen cancel his KD. Payal has Ma in 5, which is 1 from Mn & Ve. So, KD fromMn & Ve, tho not from Lg. And no exceptions apply.So does it cancel ? Should they marry?UP matching: Their UL- Lg counter-parts are 3 (bad) & 1 (good). So, cantproceed there, as both conditions not satisfied. Means not fated! So noneed to check Mn to Mn or any other compatibility factor too.I should ideally look at Navamsa (7, Ve & UL) & Rasi (UL, 2 & 8 from UL),etc in the individual charts also, but after the above, is it required todo so? AND as I still do not understand strength vs disposition factorsclearly (this one was a humble barb at my e-Guru), I cant possibly look atthese factors at my ADVANCED stage of learning astrology! (ok, these werein humour, but the question is quite serious, believe me).IF Gurus here say no to this match, is there any advise to my cousin (imean, how/ what do i tell her, if it is NO). I am not confident of sayingit in a helpful fashion. And real knowledge of her individual chart fromthe view-point of marriage, from you Gurus, would help me say the negativething far more positively. For eg what to look for in an alternativespouse, as it happens, later. I mean on the long distance I cant just say ucant marry this guy for this mumbo-jumbo reason which she wouldnt care 2hoots for. Instead if one can say some positive things about her marriagein general, she might accept this current issue. And I can also get tolearn some astrology in the process.Thank you and may the Gods blessNandanArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Forgetting KD etc, is 19 a great age to get married? Someone I know married at that age and it turned out to be a big mistake. My sister met her partner at 17, and it has lasted. But she has always been strong willed and with a very definite mind. She also waited until she turned 24 when her venus dasa started to get married, avoiding the ketu dasa (ketu in 2 in Taurus) period. Your cuz with mars in 5th - OK mars rules 7th and in 5th gives a love marriage. I've heard that Mangalik ceases to have an effect after 30. Can't they wait until at least 2004 and his 30th birthday? A bit of breathing space all around and hopefully a defunct KD? Also your cuz is in saturn dasa and this is the 5th lord in the 12th with 3L/6L Jup. This will end in 2008 when 9th ruler placed in 4th kicks in. Mind you, it too is aspected by Jup from 12th. Again a passionate nature with venus mars conjunct. But in the 5th so a bit better. The previous chart I mentioned who got married due to a love marriage against opposion etc also has asc ruler mars, moon, sun and rahu in the 5th. She does have a romantic nature. But venus is in own sign in the 7th. So not that passionate a nature. Also saturn aspects the 5th from own sign in 3rd, so she is not a complete romantic, having a pragmatic side too. She says now (and with hindsight so I take it with a pinch of salt) that if her father had allowed her to study or work, she would not have got married at that point - that she got married to get independent. But the fact remains that at 19 she fell in love and married the wrong guy. She was running saturn dasa at that time, which aspected the 5th. Asc ruler in the 5th is common to both charts, as is sun, moon. So a great amount of weight is placed both on love affairs and on children. But whatever the outcome, my best wishes to both of them. Regards, Nimmi - <Nandan.22 Chakraborty <vedic astrology> Monday, July 23, 2001 9:12 AM [vedic astrology] Should they marry?: Urgent > > Dear Gurus & friends (both inclusive terms) > > X is my very good looking, very young cousin-in-law: March 6, 1981, 10/30 > pm Chandigarh (76e55, 30n44), TZ 5/30 e of gmt. Lg (Lahiri) is at 16Li05). > Round number birth time makes little difference to rasi Lg, tho in Navamsa, > Lg could change from Aq to Pi (as change is at 16*40 Li). She wishes to > marry Y. After the wedding invitation cards went out last week, her > grand-ma forced the family to look at the 2 charts. 3 astrologers said no, > due to Mangalik boy (aka Kuja Dosh= KD). Payal is heart-broken, & insists > that even if he were to live for just 2 more years, she wants to marry him > (note her age!). One of her uncles passed away a few days after marriga, & > it was later discovered (after his death) that he was Mangalik; hence it is > a very sensitive issue for the family. Currently, chaos is reigning in the > household. > > The boy Y : Oct 21, 1974, Ludhiana, 75e51, 30n54, 4/52 pm, 5/30 e of gmt. > > KujaDosh (KD) of boy: Ma in 1 from Ve (in own Li= UL, & cnj deb Sn) & 8 > from Lg. No exceptions apply & Ma dasa starts in 2006). > > Well, KD has sooooo many exceptions AND applications (1/2 the houses, that > too from any 2 of Lg/ Mn/ Ve). So lets see if Payal also has KD, which cd > then cancel his KD. Payal has Ma in 5, which is 1 from Mn & Ve. So, KD from > Mn & Ve, tho not from Lg. And no exceptions apply. > > So does it cancel ? Should they marry? > > UP matching: Their UL- Lg counter-parts are 3 (bad) & 1 (good). So, cant > proceed there, as both conditions not satisfied. Means not fated! So no > need to check Mn to Mn or any other compatibility factor too. > > I should ideally look at Navamsa (7, Ve & UL) & Rasi (UL, 2 & 8 from UL), > etc in the individual charts also, but after the above, is it required to > do so? AND as I still do not understand strength vs disposition factors > clearly (this one was a humble barb at my e-Guru), I cant possibly look at > these factors at my ADVANCED stage of learning astrology! (ok, these were > in humour, but the question is quite serious, believe me). > > IF Gurus here say no to this match, is there any advise to my cousin (i > mean, how/ what do i tell her, if it is NO). I am not confident of saying > it in a helpful fashion. And real knowledge of her individual chart from > the view-point of marriage, from you Gurus, would help me say the negative > thing far more positively. For eg what to look for in an alternative > spouse, as it happens, later. I mean on the long distance I cant just say u > cant marry this guy for this mumbo-jumbo reason which she wouldnt care 2 > hoots for. Instead if one can say some positive things about her marriage > in general, she might accept this current issue. And I can also get to > learn some astrology in the process. > > Thank you and may the Gods bless > > Nandan > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Dear Nandan, In my view, there is a pretty good match between the two charts. Standard gunanka match is 30 out of 36. Nadis are different (as they should be). Boy's varna is higher than girl's (as it should be). Both belong to the same gana (manushya gana - human). Only yoni matching fails. Girl's lagna is in boy's upapada. Boy's lagna is atleast not in a dusthana from girl's upapada. Overall, it's a good match. I've seen couple with a poorer match living happily. This is a good match actually. As for "Kuja Dosha" (Maangalik), both have it. Payal (girl) has Mars with Moon and Venus. Both have Mars afflicting Venus and hence have Kuja Dosha. The marriage is not unacceptable. In fact, some consider that Kuja dosha does not apply to people of Meena lagna and people with Jupiter aspecting Mars. Some astrologers get carried away with Mars in 8th. They think that it clearly shows alpaayush (short life). That is not always true. The 8th house has 8th lord in strength and aspected by lagna lord Jupiter. It's not so bad. In fact, I am more concerned by 7th lord Mercury in 8th than functional benefic Mars in 8th. Mars in 8th does not necessarily give a short life. If they're scared about the boy's longevity because of an old experience with a Mangalik marriage in the family and because of the upcoming Mars dasa, I do not think it is reasonable. This boy has a longevity of atleast 55-60 years. Maraka dasas as per Shoola and Niryaana Shoola dasas don't come until 2030's. Anyway Payal also runs Shoola dasa of Virgo containing Jupiter (sthira karaka of husband) and a trine from upapada then. Even her chart suggests trouble in the same timeframe. So I cannot think of longevity as the reason for rejecting this match. Mars dasa coming in 2005/2006 will not bring death. We can never guarantee anything in astrology, but I am quite confident of this. With due respect to the astrologers who scared your relatives out of an already fixed match, I disagree with them and do not share their concern. Though there are afflictions in the navamsas of both, scaring the family is not necessary. The girl's navamsa has yogakaraka Venus in lagna, Gaja-Kesari yoga in paka lagna and exalted Mercury in upapada in Virgo. Despite other blemishes, she will be blessed with a happy and dharmik marital life. I don't know when they fixed the marriage, but Sept-Nov (esp October) is a better timeframe for her than the next few weeks. Make sure that Venus is very strong in the muhurta chart and associated with lagna in rasi/navamsa. Venus is a key planet for both. I advise them to read Lakshmi Ashtottaram and Vishnu Sahasram before marriage. Atleast, if they say "Om Sri Lakshmi Naaraayanaabhyaam Namah" 108 times on 11 consecutive mornings before marriage, it will help (Mercury and Venus owning/aspecting/occupying upapada in both rasi charts). May Lakshmi and Narayana bless these two young people. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha vedic astrology, Nandan.Chakraborty@i... wrote: > Dear Gurus & friends (both inclusive terms) > > X is my very good looking, very young cousin-in-law: March 6, 1981, 10/30 > pm Chandigarh (76e55, 30n44), TZ 5/30 e of gmt. Lg (Lahiri) is at 16Li05). > Round number birth time makes little difference to rasi Lg, tho in Navamsa, > Lg could change from Aq to Pi (as change is at 16*40 Li). She wishes to > marry Y. After the wedding invitation cards went out last week, her > grand-ma forced the family to look at the 2 charts. 3 astrologers said no, > due to Mangalik boy (aka Kuja Dosh= KD). Payal is heart-broken, & insists > that even if he were to live for just 2 more years, she wants to marry him > (note her age!). One of her uncles passed away a few days after marriga, & > it was later discovered (after his death) that he was Mangalik; hence it is > a very sensitive issue for the family. Currently, chaos is reigning in the > household. > > The boy Y : Oct 21, 1974, Ludhiana, 75e51, 30n54, 4/52 pm, 5/30 e of gmt. > > KujaDosh (KD) of boy: Ma in 1 from Ve (in own Li= UL, & cnj deb Sn) & 8 > from Lg. No exceptions apply & Ma dasa starts in 2006). > > Well, KD has sooooo many exceptions AND applications (1/2 the houses, that > too from any 2 of Lg/ Mn/ Ve). So lets see if Payal also has KD, which cd > then cancel his KD. Payal has Ma in 5, which is 1 from Mn & Ve. So, KD from > Mn & Ve, tho not from Lg. And no exceptions apply. > > So does it cancel ? Should they marry? > > UP matching: Their UL- Lg counter-parts are 3 (bad) & 1 (good). So, cant > proceed there, as both conditions not satisfied. Means not fated! So no > need to check Mn to Mn or any other compatibility factor too. > > I should ideally look at Navamsa (7, Ve & UL) & Rasi (UL, 2 & 8 from UL), > etc in the individual charts also, but after the above, is it required to > do so? AND as I still do not understand strength vs disposition factors > clearly (this one was a humble barb at my e-Guru), I cant possibly look at > these factors at my ADVANCED stage of learning astrology! (ok, these were > in humour, but the question is quite serious, believe me). > > IF Gurus here say no to this match, is there any advise to my cousin (i > mean, how/ what do i tell her, if it is NO). I am not confident of saying > it in a helpful fashion. And real knowledge of her individual chart from > the view-point of marriage, from you Gurus, would help me say the negative > thing far more positively. For eg what to look for in an alternative > spouse, as it happens, later. I mean on the long distance I cant just say u > cant marry this guy for this mumbo-jumbo reason which she wouldnt care 2 > hoots for. Instead if one can say some positive things about her marriage > in general, she might accept this current issue. And I can also get to > learn some astrology in the process. > > Thank you and may the Gods bless > > Nandan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Namaste, > Overall, it's a good match. I've seen couple with a poorer match > living happily. This is a good match actually. I meant "I've seen couples with a poorer match" and not just one couple (which will make it look like a bad match). This is one of the better matches among the ones one usually sees. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 i'm very new to vedic astrology, about to take a course at FVC, although a western astrologer, could you tell me what'maangalik' means please.. thanks stavavali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Dear Narasimha, I have seen many good kuta matches, where relations failed. I have also seen upapada matches, where couple had a good mental and emotional link, but relationship failed, mostly due to bad dashas influences, or natal afflicted positions. In my opinion, upapada match is a must, but happiness depends on natal positions and remedial measures. With kuta matches, I have not found satisfactory results. What you said about mangalik dosha is completely true. best wishes, Zoran pvr wrote: > Dear Nandan, > > In my view, there is a pretty good match between the two charts. > Standard gunanka match is 30 out of 36. Nadis are different (as they > should be). Boy's varna is higher than girl's (as it should be). Both > belong to the same gana (manushya gana - human). Only yoni matching > fails. > > Girl's lagna is in boy's upapada. Boy's lagna is atleast not in a > dusthana from girl's upapada. > > Overall, it's a good match. I've seen couple with a poorer match > living happily. This is a good match actually. > > As for "Kuja Dosha" (Maangalik), both have it. Payal (girl) has Mars > with Moon and Venus. Both have Mars afflicting Venus and hence have > Kuja Dosha. The marriage is not unacceptable. In fact, some consider > that Kuja dosha does not apply to people of Meena lagna and people > with Jupiter aspecting Mars. Some astrologers get carried away with > Mars in 8th. They think that it clearly shows alpaayush (short life). > That is not always true. The 8th house has 8th lord in strength and > aspected by lagna lord Jupiter. It's not so bad. In fact, I am more > concerned by 7th lord Mercury in 8th than functional benefic Mars in > 8th. Mars in 8th does not necessarily give a short life. > > If they're scared about the boy's longevity because of an old > experience with a Mangalik marriage in the family and because of the > upcoming Mars dasa, I do not think it is reasonable. This boy has a > longevity of atleast 55-60 years. Maraka dasas as per Shoola and > Niryaana Shoola dasas don't come until 2030's. Anyway Payal also runs > Shoola dasa of Virgo containing Jupiter (sthira karaka of husband) > and a trine from upapada then. Even her chart suggests trouble in the > same timeframe. So I cannot think of longevity as the reason for > rejecting this match. Mars dasa coming in 2005/2006 will not bring > death. We can never guarantee anything in astrology, but I am quite > confident of this. > > With due respect to the astrologers who scared your relatives out of > an already fixed match, I disagree with them and do not share their > concern. Though there are afflictions in the navamsas of both, > scaring the family is not necessary. > > The girl's navamsa has yogakaraka Venus in lagna, Gaja-Kesari yoga in > paka lagna and exalted Mercury in upapada in Virgo. Despite other > blemishes, she will be blessed with a happy and dharmik marital life. > > I don't know when they fixed the marriage, but Sept-Nov (esp October) > is a better timeframe for her than the next few weeks. Make sure that > Venus is very strong in the muhurta chart and associated with lagna > in rasi/navamsa. Venus is a key planet for both. > > I advise them to read Lakshmi Ashtottaram and Vishnu Sahasram before > marriage. Atleast, if they say "Om Sri Lakshmi Naaraayanaabhyaam > Namah" 108 times on 11 consecutive mornings before marriage, it will > help (Mercury and Venus owning/aspecting/occupying upapada in both > rasi charts). > > May Lakshmi and Narayana bless these two young people. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > vedic astrology, Nandan.Chakraborty@i... wrote: > > Dear Gurus & friends (both inclusive terms) > > > > X is my very good looking, very young cousin-in-law: March 6, 1981, > 10/30 > > pm Chandigarh (76e55, 30n44), TZ 5/30 e of gmt. Lg (Lahiri) is at > 16Li05). > > Round number birth time makes little difference to rasi Lg, tho in > Navamsa, > > Lg could change from Aq to Pi (as change is at 16*40 Li). She > wishes to > > marry Y. After the wedding invitation cards went out last week, her > > grand-ma forced the family to look at the 2 charts. 3 astrologers > said no, > > due to Mangalik boy (aka Kuja Dosh= KD). Payal is heart-broken, & > insists > > that even if he were to live for just 2 more years, she wants to > marry him > > (note her age!). One of her uncles passed away a few days after > marriga, & > > it was later discovered (after his death) that he was Mangalik; > hence it is > > a very sensitive issue for the family. Currently, chaos is reigning > in the > > household. > > > > The boy Y : Oct 21, 1974, Ludhiana, 75e51, 30n54, 4/52 pm, 5/30 e > of gmt. > > > > KujaDosh (KD) of boy: Ma in 1 from Ve (in own Li= UL, & cnj deb Sn) > & 8 > > from Lg. No exceptions apply & Ma dasa starts in 2006). > > > > Well, KD has sooooo many exceptions AND applications (1/2 the > houses, that > > too from any 2 of Lg/ Mn/ Ve). So lets see if Payal also has KD, > which cd > > then cancel his KD. Payal has Ma in 5, which is 1 from Mn & Ve. So, > KD from > > Mn & Ve, tho not from Lg. And no exceptions apply. > > > > So does it cancel ? Should they marry? > > > > UP matching: Their UL- Lg counter-parts are 3 (bad) & 1 (good). So, > cant > > proceed there, as both conditions not satisfied. Means not fated! > So no > > need to check Mn to Mn or any other compatibility factor too. > > > > I should ideally look at Navamsa (7, Ve & UL) & Rasi (UL, 2 & 8 > from UL), > > etc in the individual charts also, but after the above, is it > required to > > do so? AND as I still do not understand strength vs disposition > factors > > clearly (this one was a humble barb at my e-Guru), I cant possibly > look at > > these factors at my ADVANCED stage of learning astrology! (ok, > these were > > in humour, but the question is quite serious, believe me). > > > > IF Gurus here say no to this match, is there any advise to my > cousin (i > > mean, how/ what do i tell her, if it is NO). I am not confident of > saying > > it in a helpful fashion. And real knowledge of her individual chart > from > > the view-point of marriage, from you Gurus, would help me say the > negative > > thing far more positively. For eg what to look for in an alternative > > spouse, as it happens, later. I mean on the long distance I cant > just say u > > cant marry this guy for this mumbo-jumbo reason which she wouldnt > care 2 > > hoots for. Instead if one can say some positive things about her > marriage > > in general, she might accept this current issue. And I can also get > to > > learn some astrology in the process. > > > > Thank you and may the Gods bless > > > > Nandan > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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