Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Hello Zoran, Here is the data of Madonna, and her son. She was married to Sean Penn briefly in the 80s and was just married recently again. I attached the chart of the son, which shows so many yogadas and wealth combinations. 2nd marriage to Guy Ritchie: December 22, 2000 6:30pm Dornoch, Scotland infor about husband: http://aol.eonline.com/Facts/People/Bio/0,128,68224,00.html Relations: Husband: Guy Ritchie (director); ex-husband: Sean Penn; kid: Lourdes Maria Ciccone Leon (by former companion Carlos Leon), Rocco Ritchie (with Ritchie) Education: Attended University of Michigan http://mrshowbiz.go.com/celebrities/people/madonna/bio.html Madonna was born Bay City, Michigon on August 16, 1958. Her family lived in Pontiac, Michigan at the time but were visiting with Madonna's grandmother in Bay City she decided to appear in the world. Madonna grew up in Pontiac, Michigan, a suburb of detroit. Madonna's birth mother died of cancer when Madonna was five. Her father Sylvio tony Ciccone employed a housekeeper named Joan Gostafson and eventually married her. they are still married. When the house got too small for the growing Ciccone family they moved to Rochester Hills, Michigan. Her father and step-mother still live in this house. Madonna has 3 sisters Melanie, Paula and Jennifer (half sister) and 4 brothers Martin, Christopher Anthony and Mario (half brother). Madonna has only married once and that was to actor Sean Penn on her 27th birthday, Aug. 16, 1985. The marriage officially ended on January 10, 1989 when Madonna (for the second time) filed for divorce (on Jan. 5th) on the grounds of irreconcilable differences. Madonna has homes in New York (an apartment in Manhattan) and Miami. She lives between them depending on where she is working at the time. She formerly owned a home in Hollywood. regards, Alex J _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Madonna.jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Madonna's son.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Dear Alex, Thank you for this info. It is very, very helpful.. I have cast a chart at 7.05 am, and have found leo rashi and leo navamsa, while navamsa can be either cancer od virgo.. Leo navamsa would give birth in a very wealthy family which is not correct. I will go on further time rectification.,. Thanks Zoran Alex J wrote: > Hello Zoran, > > Here is the data of Madonna, and her son. She was married to Sean Penn > briefly in the 80s and was just married recently again. I attached the chart > of the son, which shows so many yogadas and wealth combinations. > > 2nd marriage to Guy Ritchie: December 22, 2000 6:30pm Dornoch, Scotland > > infor about husband: > http://aol.eonline.com/Facts/People/Bio/0,128,68224,00.html > > Relations: Husband: Guy Ritchie (director); ex-husband: Sean Penn; kid: > Lourdes Maria Ciccone Leon (by former companion Carlos Leon), Rocco Ritchie > (with Ritchie) > Education: Attended University of Michigan > > http://mrshowbiz.go.com/celebrities/people/madonna/bio.html > > Madonna was born Bay City, Michigon on August 16, 1958. Her family lived in > Pontiac, Michigan at the time but were visiting with Madonna's grandmother > in Bay City she decided to appear in the world. > Madonna grew up in Pontiac, Michigan, a suburb of detroit. Madonna's birth > mother died of cancer when Madonna was five. > Her father Sylvio tony Ciccone employed a housekeeper named Joan Gostafson > and eventually married her. they are still married. When the house got too > small for the growing Ciccone family they moved to Rochester Hills, > Michigan. Her father and step-mother still live in this house. > > Madonna has 3 sisters Melanie, Paula and Jennifer (half sister) and 4 > brothers Martin, Christopher Anthony and Mario (half brother). Madonna has > only married once and that was to actor Sean Penn on her 27th birthday, Aug. > 16, 1985. The marriage officially ended on January 10, 1989 when Madonna > (for the second time) filed for divorce (on Jan. 5th) on the grounds of > irreconcilable differences. > > Madonna has homes in New York (an apartment in Manhattan) and Miami. She > lives between them depending on where she is working at the time. She > formerly owned a home in Hollywood. > > regards, > > Alex J > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > ------ > Name: Madonna.jhd > Madonna.jhd Type: Jagannatha Hora Data (application/x-unknown-content-type-JHora.Document) > Encoding: base64 > > Name: Madonna's son.jhd > Madonna's son.jhd Type: Jagannatha Hora Data (application/x-unknown-content-type-JHora.Document) > Encoding: base64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Dear jaan, How come that we got different dasha layouts, and different karakas and ascending degree. Do check your program settings I am getting 15 03 leo lagna at 7:05 while mars dasha starts 22.03 1987, and charkarakas are different. Can Narasimha or someone else check? Surya is at the latest degree of cancer not in the first degree of leo.. Do check the efemeris, or planetary positions, or software options Best wishes Zoran jaan911 wrote: > Dear Zoran > > may i ask why leo navamsa lagna would mean she was born in a wealthy > family? > i looked at the chart you used for 7 05 am. it looks good though. > > lagna lord sun is in leo, also exalted or in own division in 9 out of > 10 dasavargas! > > moon and debilitated venus are together in a mercurial sign in 2nd > house in navamsa, perhaps indicating her very loose sexual morals. > moon mahadasa saturn antardasa runs between 1979 to 1980, which i > think is the period she was involved with making pornographic films. > saturn is atmakaraka as well as 7th lord in navamsa and rasi. it is > placed in the 8th in navamsa and afflicts the moon/venus combination > in the second house. > > her career took off in 1982 after the start of moon/mercury dasa. > moon deposits the 10th/AL lord venus and associates with it in > navamsa. mercury is vargottama, sits in lagna, deposits moon and > venus in navamsa. since it deposits 10th lord in navamsa it should > influence the career strongly. mercury as the 11th lord in mutual > aspect with 9th lord mars across lagna should bring about great > change in fortune. > > lagna lord sun, moon, mercury as 2nd and 11th lord, mars as > yogakaraka are all aspecting across the 9th house and lagna. this > should produce rajayoga > > her first marriage is in august 1985, under mars mahadasa rahu > antardasa. both mars and rahu aspect 7th house. rahu is also lord of > the 7th > > her first marriage breaks in 1989 under mars/mercury dasa. mercury is > upapada lord placed in the 12th from it and aspected by malefic mars, > 3rd and 8th lord from upapada. > > her first child a daughter is born in october 1996, under > rahu/jupiter. Jupiter is fifth lord and rahu is conjunct. Jupiter is > in lagna in saptamsa and is 5th lord also, venus is exalted in the > 5th indicating a female child. > > her second child is a boy born in august 2000 under rahu/mercury. in > saptamsa rahu alone aspects the 7th indicating a male. mars also > aspects 7th lord venus indicating a male. mercury and lagna lord mars > exchange houses so i think mercury wont deny children. > > her mother passes away under venus mahadasa saturn antardasa. saturn > afflicts 4th house as well as 4th lord mars by aspect. venus can be > taken to be significator of mother also, saturn aspects venus. saturn > also afflicts moon by graha drishti. > in D12 venus is 4th lord and saturn again influences the moon. > > exalted sun in the 9th in navamsa is good for musical talents isnt it? > > arudha lagna is in taurus, and venus influences 10th house from both > lagna and AL. venus also owns and aspects the 10th in D10. > > moon and venus together in a quadrant aspecting karakamsa and 10th > from it should produce rajayoga? saturn and venus associating in > navamsa and rasi should give dancing talents. > > 11th house has 40 bindus, 10th/AL taurus has 37 bindus, both > incredibly strong. > > the chart seems to correlate her life events with the dates provided, > so i think you have got it right. > > love > jaan > > Date of Birth: August 16, 1958 > Time of Birth: 7:05:00 am > Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT > Longitude of Birth: 83 W 53 > Latitude of Birth: 43 N 36 > Lunar month (maasa): Sravana > Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Dwitiya > Tithi balance: 0.4651 > Nakshatra balance: 0.5228 > Sun-Moon Yoga: Siva > Sun-Moon Karana: Kaulava > Vara (weekday): Saturday > > Sunrise = 5:41 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > Ayanamsa = 21-49-52 > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 16 Le 25 Poo.Pha. 1 - > Sun 1 Le 16 Makha 1 DK > Moon 19 Le 41 Poo.Pha. 2 MK > Mars 23 Ar 34 Bharani 4 BK > Mercury ® 13 Le 49 Poo.Pha. 1 PiK > Jupiter 4 Li 33 Chitra 4 GK > Venus 8 Cn 42 Pushyami 2 PK > Saturn ® 27 Sc 18 Jyeshtha 4 AK > Rahu 3 Li 30 Chitra 4 AmK > Ketu 3 Ar 30 Aswini 2 - > BhavaLg 22 Le 09 Poo.Pha. 3 - > HoraLg 13 Vi 04 Hastha 1 - > GhatiLg 15 Sc 52 Anuradha 4 - > Dhooma 14 Sg 36 Poo.Shaa. 1 - > Vyati 15 Cn 23 Pushyami 4 - > Pari 15 Cp 23 Sravanam 2 - > I.Chapa 14 Ge 36 Aardra 3 - > Upaketu 1 Cn 16 Punarvasu 4 - > Kaala 10 Vi 30 Hastha 1 - > Mrityu 20 Li 32 Visakha 1 - > ArthaPr 10 Sc 38 Anuradha 3 - > YamaGha 2 Sg 04 Moola 1 - > Mandi 10 Le 21 Makha 4 - > Gulika 20 Le 22 Poo.Pha. 3 - > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | Ket | | | > | | | | | > | | Mar | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | Ven | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| R A S I |-------------| > | | | Sun Mnd | > | | | MerR | > | | | Asc | > | | | Moo | > | | | Glk BL | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | GL | Rah | | > | | | | HL | > | | SatR | Jup | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | Sun | | | > | SatR | | Ket | | > | | HL | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | Mnd | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| > | | | | > | | | MerR | > | | | | > | | | Asc | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | Mar Rah | Glk | Ven | > | | | | | > | | Jup GL | BL | Moo | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > Vimsottari Dasa: > > Venu 1958-08-16 Jupi 1959-03-31 Satu 1961-11-29 Merc 1965-01-28 > Ketu 1967-11-29 > > Sun 1969-01-28 Moon 1969-05-18 Mars 1969-11-16 Rahu 1970-03-24 > Jupi 1971-02-16 Satu 1971-12-05 Merc 1972-11-16 Ketu 1973-09-23 > Venu 1974-01-28 > > Moon 1975-01-29 Mars 1975-11-29 Rahu 1976-06-29 Jupi 1977-12-29 > Satu 1979-04-30 Merc 1980-11-28 Ketu 1982-04-30 Venu 1982-11-29 > Sun 1984-07-29 > > Mars 1985-01-28 Rahu 1985-06-26 Jupi 1986-07-15 Satu 1987-06-21 > Merc 1988-07-29 Ketu 1989-07-27 Venu 1989-12-23 Sun 1991-02-22 > Moon 1991-06-30 > > Rahu 1992-01-29 Jupi 1994-10-11 Satu 1997-03-05 Merc 2000-01-10 > Ketu 2002-07-30 Venu 2003-08-17 Sun 2006-08-17 Moon 2007-07-12 > Mars 2009-01-10 > > Jupi 2010-01-28 Satu 2012-03-17 Merc 2014-09-29 Ketu 2017-01-03 > Venu 2017-12-10 Sun 2020-08-10 Moon 2021-05-29 Mars 2022-09-28 > Rahu 2023-09-04 > > Ashtakavarga Tables (before reduction): > > Ar Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp Aq Pi > Sun 3 6 7 4 3* 2 4 4 4 5 4 2 > Moon 3 7 5 1 4* 4 6 2 2 7 4 4 > Mars 1* 5 6 3 3 2 5 2 3 5 3 1 > Merc 3 7 5 5 5* 5 3 5 4 5 3 4 > Jupi 8 6 4 2 5 4 4* 6 5 5 4 3 > Venu 4 2 7 6* 5 5 4 3 4 2 4 6 > Satu 2 4 6 1 4 4 2 2* 1 5 3 5 > Total 24 37 40 22 29 26 28 24 23 34 25 25 > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | Ket | | > | BL | SatR | | | > | | | Ven | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | Moo | | | > | | | | > | Glk | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 1 0 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Asc | | Sun | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | MerR | Mar Mnd | | | > | | | | HL | > | GL | Rah Jup | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | Glk | Ket | | > | Moo | | | | > | | BL | GL | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | Asc | | | > | | | | > | HL | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 1 2 |-------------| > | | | | > | Mar | | | > | | | Sun | > | MerR | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | Rah | | | > | Mnd | | Ven | SatR | > | | Jup | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 Dear Jaan, > thank you for the notes. i simply downloaded the jhd file. > our differences i think are due to the fact that we may be using > different ayanamsa. my JHL is set to Ramans. I am not sure which > yours is set to. > My software is set on ChitraPaksha (lahiri ) ayanamsa, and that is the reason for different calculations. However, let's leave this ayanamsa thing for now. There has been a lot of debate on this. > in considering the chart of someone like madonna, i think certain > things must be borne in mind. firstly SHE IS NOT A SINGER, she is an > ENTERTAINER. she is NOT famous for her singing talents. this must be > important when reading her chart. compare to someone like Lata > Mangeskar, who is purely a singer known only through her voice. > Sanjay Guru comments on her chart in COVA. > However, no matter of singing quality, for singing shaping a life, even inderectly, chandra should be in trikona navamsa. For both virgo lagna and navamsa chandra and shukra(entertainer) are influencing trikona strongly. Budh for leo navamsa is not good in 12th house for entertaining. > comming back to the astrology. i have to say she does have leo > qualities in her appearance, her face and hair when i think about it > now are quite majestic, lion like even. > Of course, note both moon and lagna in leo. That is natural. > > her lagna must be very powerful, theres no doubt for someone of her > stature. i really think lagna lord/atmakaraka in the 12th aspected by > retrograde saturn is not possible for her. she must have luminaries > in lagna similar to queen victoria. im using queen victoria as i cant > think of any other women with her international stature. > Why not? There is parivarthana yoga of sun and moon in lagna. Further, sun is placed in nakshatra of mercury who is friendly and ruler of hora lagna and placed in lagna. Sun is very strong in shadbala and involves in parivarthana. Saturn is very strong and full of rays. It sits on the ghati lagna in own navamsa. Saturn is further strong in 6th from aruda lagna. > > also her incredibly independent, bold, forceful, domineering, > courageous and determined nature require her to have sun strong in > lagna dont you think? > Moon in Leo in lagna is sufficient for that. Apart, lord of AL is budha placed in 3rd house of strenght, stamina, determination > > i really think that the amsas of lagna lord must be good. i get that > sun is in airaavataamsa, thats 9. this is enough to make her a great > personality in itself. > Strong argumetn indeed. However, to me it is enough that sun becomes chara atmakarak, to have a special role in the chart, and set a stage for realization > > as far as singing and voice is concerned, she is an entertainer and > controversial figure first. the fact that she can sing ok is > coincedental, she is no great singer in the strict sense of the word. > she changed a whole generation in the 80's and 90's with her > influence on fashion, lifestyle and sexual habits. the navamsa must > show her controversial nature, entertainment and dance abilities more > so than singing. > dancing is the key as in her youth she was more involved as a dancer > than singer. her scholarship came through her dancing talents, which > in turn led her on her current path. her music is dance music, her > performances and concerts are dance orientated. saturn and venus must > have a strong connection, and they do with saturn in pisces and venus > in virgo navamsa. > If navamsa is virgo( I still need to reexamine cancer) venus in lagna is sufficeint for such talents in dancing, particularly being placed in mercury sign. Further, venus rules 9th house, controlling house of legs. > > this is why i think it is necessary for sun as navamsa lagna lord to > be exalted in the 9th. she is all about dancing and entertaining. her > music too is dance music, she merely sings averagely over the dance > tracks. like you say sun in he 9th will give this ability to > entertain, more so as navamsa lagna lord exalted in 9th. She will be > all about entertaining. > Exalted sun in 9th in navamsa would give very dutiful to father, elders, Guru, traditional attitude, and traditional marriage..Apart, do exaplain, what kind of birth a person would have with atmakarak lord of navamsa exalted in 9th house? Navamsa stands for birth circumstances. She was not born with silver spoon in her mouth.. > > you mention the good placement of ketu. i had made a little mistake, > her career took off with the start of moon/ketu in 1982. this fits > with your analysis of strong ketu. > Ketu is very strong and favourable, being in kona yuti kona and kendra lord, yog karak. So ketu is yog karak. He is qualified to give such influence more being in varghotama. Further in 11th from AL, excellent... > i really think that you must consider lagna lord to be more involved > with her rajayogas. otherwise how can you explain such success and > personal fame. sun in leo joining the yogas focussing on the 9th > makes more sense doesnt it? > Don't forget parivarthan yoga. It makes planets act differently.Sun actually behaves as being in lagna.. > atmakaraka must support such powerful rajayogas, and saturn as > atmakaraka aspecting the 9th too means that the atmakaraka supports > this. also ketu will deposit atmakaraka, further increasing his > significance. > If saturn is atmakara according to your calculations, and leo navamsa, she would have very spiritual spouse, which is not the case... That is why, I still cannot reconscile with virgo navamsa, since sun in 7th would give spiritual spouse. Perhaps, bahoo stree yoga of very loose sexual morals would turn her away from such men. Bahoo stree yoga is fully operative in her navamsa chart, in case of virgo rising.. > > if as you say sun is atmakaraka, it does not lend its support in any > way to the 1st/9th house rajayogas. quite contrary to what Sanjay > Guru teaches in that atmakaraka must agree. Do reconsider your views. Sanjay teaches that atmakaraka if connected to navamsa lagna gives very high rise in life, and create supreme raja yoga, He also says that atmakarak ruling lagna sets a stage for success. > also please note that she > is incredibly independent and has made her own fortune and success, > she is at every step in control of her career, life and direction. > again lagna lord and 9th lords aspecting each other can show this. > No, these are the natural traits of leo lagna and chandra. Mars in 9th and 3rd house also clearly show that. > > one can argue, as far as the world is concerned the area which would > have brought her greatest suffering would probably be the early loss > of her mother. again atmakarak saturn retrograde in the 4th in aspect > to 4th lord and venus(4th lord in D12) can cause this suffering or > punishment. atmakaraka in the 4th could mean suffering/punishment due > to 4th house issues during dasas of saturn. > This is correct what you are saying. However, it is enough to have very strong shani in 4th house and very weak chandra to lose mother early. > > basically shes one of the great personalities of the century. shes > not a singer, shes an entertainer. the chart should show her > influences on dance, fashion, sexuality as well as unrivalled > international fame, more than her singing abilities, shes a very > average singer so please dont look for singing talents/raja yogas. > One cannot ingore music and rhythm, however if you like look at venus as dancer. > > her chart should reflect the fact that she is a modern day emperess. > i cant see it doing this if i change my ayanamsa. i know its asking > alot but if you simply hit the Raman ayanamsa option, your time will > give the chart of someone with her outstanding career and recognition. > i do believe that she is leo judging by her appearance also. > We have discussed Raman ayanamsa earlier. Sanjay explained a chart with various ayanamsa and life facts. Raman ayanamsa was off.. Please browse through old emails in varahamihira list if you are member, and you will see.In many case I have failed with testing this ayanamsa.. > > also you will find it interesting to note that her male counterpart > michael jackson was born only a few days after her, planet positions > are similar > > i dont have the time for michael jackson but 29/8/58 gary indiana, > 41/36 N 87/21 W ,time zone is 5 hours West > Thanks.. I may consider the chart later.. It is pleasure to have such discussions. Hopefully, some other members will join as well. Best wishes Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 I have a chart with the Vargottama Atmakaraka venus exalted in navamsa lagna. The person is 46 years old. He is ordinarily successful in having a satisfying job and life. There may be other offsetting principles to be considered here. The fact that in Rasi it is in the 6th aspected by exalted vargottama 6th lord from the 10th is perhaps one. The other may be the exalted saturn in ascendant opposed by exalted sun in the 7th. This venus is also lagna lord and in the 6th house. So far, he would seem to be of rather oldfashioned in his values and does not appear to have the weaknesses that Shashta Shukra Marana Karaka should have. This is actually the 2nd house I have seen with Venus in the 6th which seems not to produce the weaknesses expected. Both are extremely considerate people, but very quietly so. Regards, Nimmi - <ahimsa <vedic astrology> Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:47 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Madonna's birthdata > > Dear Jaan, > > > thank you for the notes. i simply downloaded the jhd file. > > our differences i think are due to the fact that we may be using > > different ayanamsa. my JHL is set to Ramans. I am not sure which > > yours is set to. > > > > My software is set on ChitraPaksha (lahiri ) ayanamsa, and that is the > reason for different calculations. However, let's leave this ayanamsa > thing for now. > There > has been a lot of debate on this. > > > in considering the chart of someone like madonna, i think certain > > things must be borne in mind. firstly SHE IS NOT A SINGER, she is an > > ENTERTAINER. she is NOT famous for her singing talents. this must be > > important when reading her chart. compare to someone like Lata > > Mangeskar, who is purely a singer known only through her voice. > > Sanjay Guru comments on her chart in COVA. > > > > However, no matter of singing quality, for singing shaping a life, even > inderectly, chandra should be in trikona navamsa. For both virgo lagna > and navamsa chandra and shukra(entertainer) are influencing trikona > strongly. > Budh for leo navamsa is not good in 12th house for entertaining. > > > comming back to the astrology. i have to say she does have leo > > qualities in her appearance, her face and hair when i think about it > > now are quite majestic, lion like even. > > > > Of course, note both moon and lagna in leo. That is natural. > > > > > her lagna must be very powerful, theres no doubt for someone of her > > stature. i really think lagna lord/atmakaraka in the 12th aspected by > > retrograde saturn is not possible for her. she must have luminaries > > in lagna similar to queen victoria. im using queen victoria as i cant > > think of any other women with her international stature. > > > > Why not? There is parivarthana yoga of sun and moon in lagna. Further, > sun is > placed in nakshatra of mercury who is friendly and ruler of hora lagna > and > placed in lagna. Sun is very strong in shadbala and involves in > parivarthana. > Saturn is very strong and full of rays. It sits on the ghati lagna in > own > navamsa. Saturn is further strong in 6th from aruda lagna. > > > > > also her incredibly independent, bold, forceful, domineering, > > courageous and determined nature require her to have sun strong in > > lagna dont you think? > > > > Moon in Leo in lagna is sufficient for that. Apart, lord of AL is budha > placed in 3rd house of strenght, stamina, determination > > > > > > i really think that the amsas of lagna lord must be good. i get that > > sun is in airaavataamsa, thats 9. this is enough to make her a great > > personality in itself. > > > > Strong argumetn indeed. However, to me it is enough that sun becomes > chara > atmakarak, to have a special role in the chart, and set a stage for > realization > > > > > > as far as singing and voice is concerned, she is an entertainer and > > controversial figure first. the fact that she can sing ok is > > coincedental, she is no great singer in the strict sense of the word. > > she changed a whole generation in the 80's and 90's with her > > influence on fashion, lifestyle and sexual habits. the navamsa must > > show her controversial nature, entertainment and dance abilities more > > so than singing. > > dancing is the key as in her youth she was more involved as a dancer > > than singer. her scholarship came through her dancing talents, which > > in turn led her on her current path. her music is dance music, her > > performances and concerts are dance orientated. saturn and venus must > > have a strong connection, and they do with saturn in pisces and venus > > in virgo navamsa. > > > > If navamsa is virgo( I still need to reexamine cancer) venus in lagna is > sufficeint for > such talents in dancing, particularly being placed in mercury sign. > Further, > venus rules 9th house, controlling house of legs. > > > > > this is why i think it is necessary for sun as navamsa lagna lord to > > be exalted in the 9th. she is all about dancing and entertaining. her > > music too is dance music, she merely sings averagely over the dance > > tracks. like you say sun in he 9th will give this ability to > > entertain, more so as navamsa lagna lord exalted in 9th. She will be > > all about entertaining. > > > > Exalted sun in 9th in navamsa would give very dutiful to father, elders, > Guru, traditional attitude, and traditional marriage..Apart, do > exaplain, > what kind of birth a person would have with atmakarak lord of navamsa > exalted > in 9th house? Navamsa stands for birth circumstances. She was not born > with > silver spoon in her mouth.. > > > > > you mention the good placement of ketu. i had made a little mistake, > > her career took off with the start of moon/ketu in 1982. this fits > > with your analysis of strong ketu. > > > > Ketu is very strong and favourable, being in kona yuti kona and kendra > lord, > yog karak. So ketu is yog karak. He is qualified to give such influence > more > being in varghotama. Further in 11th from AL, excellent... > > > i really think that you must consider lagna lord to be more involved > > with her rajayogas. otherwise how can you explain such success and > > personal fame. sun in leo joining the yogas focussing on the 9th > > makes more sense doesnt it? > > > > Don't forget parivarthan yoga. It makes planets act differently.Sun > actually > behaves as being in lagna.. > > > atmakaraka must support such powerful rajayogas, and saturn as > > atmakaraka aspecting the 9th too means that the atmakaraka supports > > this. also ketu will deposit atmakaraka, further increasing his > > significance. > > > > If saturn is atmakara according to your calculations, and leo navamsa, > she > would have very spiritual spouse, which is not the case... That is why, > I > still cannot reconscile with virgo navamsa, since sun in 7th would give > spiritual spouse. Perhaps, bahoo stree yoga of very loose sexual morals > would > turn her away from such men. Bahoo stree yoga is fully operative in her > navamsa chart, in case of virgo rising.. > > > > > if as you say sun is atmakaraka, it does not lend its support in any > > way to the 1st/9th house rajayogas. quite contrary to what Sanjay > > Guru teaches in that atmakaraka must agree. > > Do reconsider your views. Sanjay teaches that atmakaraka if connected to > navamsa lagna gives very high rise in life, and create supreme raja > yoga, He > also says that atmakarak ruling lagna sets a stage for success. > > > also please note that she > > is incredibly independent and has made her own fortune and success, > > she is at every step in control of her career, life and direction. > > again lagna lord and 9th lords aspecting each other can show this. > > > > No, these are the natural traits of leo lagna and chandra. Mars in 9th > and > 3rd house also clearly show that. > > > > > one can argue, as far as the world is concerned the area which would > > have brought her greatest suffering would probably be the early loss > > of her mother. again atmakarak saturn retrograde in the 4th in aspect > > to 4th lord and venus(4th lord in D12) can cause this suffering or > > punishment. atmakaraka in the 4th could mean suffering/punishment due > > to 4th house issues during dasas of saturn. > > > > This is correct what you are saying. However, it is enough to have very > strong shani in 4th house and very weak chandra to lose mother early. > > > > > basically shes one of the great personalities of the century. shes > > not a singer, shes an entertainer. the chart should show her > > influences on dance, fashion, sexuality as well as unrivalled > > international fame, more than her singing abilities, shes a very > > average singer so please dont look for singing talents/raja yogas. > > > > One cannot ingore music and rhythm, however if you like look at venus > as dancer. > > > > > her chart should reflect the fact that she is a modern day emperess. > > i cant see it doing this if i change my ayanamsa. i know its asking > > alot but if you simply hit the Raman ayanamsa option, your time will > > give the chart of someone with her outstanding career and recognition. > > i do believe that she is leo judging by her appearance also. > > > > We have discussed Raman ayanamsa earlier. Sanjay explained a chart with > various ayanamsa and life facts. Raman ayanamsa was off.. Please browse > through old emails in varahamihira list if you are member, and you will > see.In many case I have failed with testing this ayanamsa.. > > > > > also you will find it interesting to note that her male counterpart > > michael jackson was born only a few days after her, planet positions > > are similar > > > > i dont have the time for michael jackson but 29/8/58 gary indiana, > > 41/36 N 87/21 W ,time zone is 5 hours West > > > > Thanks.. I may consider the chart later.. > It is pleasure to have such discussions. Hopefully, some other members > will > join as well. > Best wishes > Zoran > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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