Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Dear Julie, > Namaste to all, > > In the process of beginning to learn this amazing art (is that the right > word?) I have decided to learn the Sanskrit terms for the rashis, > nakshatras, and grahas. Unfortunately, I can't find a list of the English > to Sanskrit for the grahas - I only know Surya, Chandra, Budha, Rahu, Ketu, > and Guru. I just know that someone here can help me with Venus, Mars, and > Saturn. In Sanskrit, there are many names for each planet. I am giving the popular ones among astrologers. I am giving a transliteration in brackets that makes pronunciation more obvious. In Hindi, the "a" at the end of words is skipped and "Mangala", for example, becomes "Mangal". What I am giving are the Sanskrit names. Sun - Surya (soorya), Ravi Moon - Chandra, Soma (soema) Mars - Angaraka (angaaraka), Kuja, Mangala Mercury - Budha, Soumya Jupiter - Guru, Brihaspati Venus - Sukra/Shukra, Bhargava (bhaargava) Saturn - Sani/Shani, Manda (upagraha/sub-planet Maandi is his son) > I had a question about pronunciation of some of the rashis and nakshatras, > as well. > > Is the "th" in Mithuna as in English, or a "t" followed by the aspirated "h"? Yes. However, the sound "t" is not alveolar like in English "hat". It is a dental sound. When you say it, the tip of your tongue should be on the inside of teeth. Say "t" as in "hat" and try moving the tip of your tongue slowly. You'll then get it. If you aspirate this sound, you get "th" in Mithuna. > Same in Vrischika - is the "sch" one sound (like English "sh") or not? For > that matter, the "sh" in Mesha and Vrisha, same question (like English "sh"?) In "mesha" and "vrisha", the sound "sh" is about the same as in the English word "short". But, in "Vrishchika" (Scorpio), "Shukra" (Venus) and "Shani" (Saturn), it is in neither "s" (as in "sort") nor "sh" (as in "short"), but a slightly different sound. When you say "s", the tip of your tongue will be close to the teeth (but not touching). When you say "sh", it will be above the teeth, in the alveolar region. If you move the tongue up further, to the palatal region, you get the sound "s/sh" in Vrischika/Sukra/Sani. Practice it. > - also - > > Is the "ph" in Purva Phalguni like English, or a "p" followed by an aspiration? Yes. The sound "f" (as in "fun") is not used in Sanskrit at all. So "ph" in "phalguni", "ishta phala" etc is "p" (as in "up") with aspiration. > Thanks so much for your help... I hope in the next week to write a > completely preliminary delineation of my natal chart for your perusal, > perhaps someone will be able to point out the basic things I will overlook > - as I know I shall! > > Blessings, > > Julie Good luck in your studies! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Namaste Julie, I shall try to answer your questions. Venus: Shukra Mars: Kuja saturn: Shani Mithuna: Mi is pronounced as in *mitigate* th as in *thunder*, in sankrit it is the hard- consonant aspirated t. una as in the ending of *tuna* without the t ofcourse. Vrischik: The closest to pronuncing correctly is Vris + Chicka. Poorva Phalguni : The Pha is aspirated Pa. Note: Most people proununce Mithuna as Mithun giving an effect of an abrupt end. This is incorrect. The correct way is to gice the *a* effect at the end, as the last letter in Sanskrit usually has the Viraama or the Nether Stroke with it. Similarly, the correct way to pronounce Shadbala is *Shadbala* with an *a* ending and not Shadbal. Regards -Narayan > I had a question about pronunciation of some of the rashis and nakshatras, > as well. > > Is the "th" in Mithuna as in English, or a "t" followed by the aspirated "h"? > Same in Vrischika - is the "sch" one sound (like English "sh") or not? For > that matter, the "sh" in Mesha and Vrisha, same question (like English "sh"?) > > - also - > > Is the "ph" in Purva Phalguni like English, or a "p" followed by an aspiration? > > Thanks so much for your help... I hope in the next week to write a > completely preliminary delineation of my natal chart for your perusal, > perhaps someone will be able to point out the basic things I will overlook > - as I know I shall! > > Blessings, > > Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Namaste Narayan, thanks for this answer. At 10:29 AM 7/16/01, you wrote: >Namaste Julie, > >I shall try to answer your questions. > >Venus: Shukra >Mars: Kuja >saturn: Shani > >Mithuna: Mi is pronounced as in *mitigate* > th as in *thunder*, in sankrit it is the hard- > consonant aspirated t. > una as in the ending of *tuna* without the t ofcourse. > >Vrischik: The closest to pronuncing correctly is Vris + Chicka. > >Poorva Phalguni : The Pha is aspirated Pa. > >Note: Most people proununce Mithuna as Mithun giving an effect of > an abrupt end. This is incorrect. The correct way is to gice > the *a* effect at the end, as the last letter in Sanskrit > usually has the Viraama or the Nether Stroke with it. > Similarly, the correct way to pronounce Shadbala is *Shadbala* > with an *a* ending and not Shadbal. I'd seen it spelled both ways, actually. It seems that transliterating Sanskrit to English is a complex art... But thanks for the tips! Blessings, Julie >Regards >-Narayan > > > > I had a question about pronunciation of some of the rashis and >nakshatras, > > as well. > > > > Is the "th" in Mithuna as in English, or a "t" followed by the >aspirated "h"? > > Same in Vrischika - is the "sch" one sound (like English "sh") or >not? For > > that matter, the "sh" in Mesha and Vrisha, same question (like >English "sh"?) > > > > - also - > > > > Is the "ph" in Purva Phalguni like English, or a "p" followed by an >aspiration? > > > > Thanks so much for your help... I hope in the next week to write a > > completely preliminary delineation of my natal chart for your >perusal, > > perhaps someone will be able to point out the basic things I will >overlook > > - as I know I shall! > > > > Blessings, > > > > Julie > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2001 Report Share Posted July 16, 2001 Namaste, Narasimha - this was just what I was looking for. At 10:22 AM 7/16/01, you wrote: >Dear Julie, > > > Namaste to all, > > > > In the process of beginning to learn this amazing art (is that the >right > > word?) I have decided to learn the Sanskrit terms for the rashis, > > nakshatras, and grahas. Unfortunately, I can't find a list of the >English > > to Sanskrit for the grahas - I only know Surya, Chandra, Budha, >Rahu, Ketu, > > and Guru. I just know that someone here can help me with Venus, >Mars, and > > Saturn. > >In Sanskrit, there are many names for each planet. I am giving the >popular ones among astrologers. I am giving a transliteration in >brackets that makes pronunciation more obvious. In Hindi, the "a" at >the end of words is skipped and "Mangala", for example, >becomes "Mangal". Rather like the "e" at the end of many English words, I suppose. >What I am giving are the Sanskrit names. > >Sun - Surya (soorya), Ravi >Moon - Chandra, Soma (soema) >Mars - Angaraka (angaaraka), Kuja, Mangala >Mercury - Budha, Soumya >Jupiter - Guru, Brihaspati >Venus - Sukra/Shukra, Bhargava (bhaargava) >Saturn - Sani/Shani, Manda (upagraha/sub-planet Maandi is his son) Thank you! I'll add this to my list of terms to memorize. > > I had a question about pronunciation of some of the rashis and >nakshatras, > > as well. > > > > Is the "th" in Mithuna as in English, or a "t" followed by the >aspirated "h"? > >Yes. However, the sound "t" is not alveolar like in English "hat". It >is a dental sound. When you say it, the tip of your tongue should be >on the inside of teeth. Say "t" as in "hat" and try moving the tip of >your tongue slowly. You'll then get it. If you aspirate this sound, >you get "th" in Mithuna. Luckily for me, I'm a professional flutist... and I do have some experience with "tonguing" (the beginning of a note - the "attack") in different parts of the mouth. One tongues behind the teeth, up behind the teeth, on the palate for differing effects. I was browsing the American Sanskrit Institute website a month or so ago, and figured out that the position of the tongue in the mouth is very important. Some of them I can't for the life of me figure out (like "n", with the tongue at the roof of the mouth - I don't hear a difference), but if I ever get to take one of their weekend intensives (which I want to), maybe then I'll begin to figure it out. > > > Same in Vrischika - is the "sch" one sound (like English "sh") or >not? For > > that matter, the "sh" in Mesha and Vrisha, same question (like >English "sh"?) > >In "mesha" and "vrisha", the sound "sh" is about the same as in the >English word "short". > >But, in "Vrishchika" (Scorpio), "Shukra" (Venus) and "Shani" >(Saturn), it is in neither "s" (as in "sort") nor "sh" (as >in "short"), but a slightly different sound. When you say "s", the >tip of your tongue will be close to the teeth (but not touching). >When you say "sh", it will be above the teeth, in the alveolar >region. If you move the tongue up further, to the palatal region, you >get the sound "s/sh" in Vrischika/Sukra/Sani. Practice it. Very interesting! I didn't realize that the difference between "s" and "sh" was that simple! Okay, when I move the tongue up further I get a more "open" sound - less of a hiss, more like the sound of air moving through a tube. It's pitch also seems to drop. Does that sound like I'm doing it right? I guess part of the problem is that there's no indication in English which "sh" sound is being represented. Well, I know about the scholarly way to transliterate Sanskrit (I have a book on the Hindu Scriptures that explains that in detail) with the dots under letters, et al... but that's no help with an English keyboard. > > - also - > > > > Is the "ph" in Purva Phalguni like English, or a "p" followed by an >aspiration? > >Yes. The sound "f" (as in "fun") is not used in Sanskrit at all. >So "ph" in "phalguni", "ishta phala" etc is "p" (as in "up") with >aspiration. Great! I'm so glad to have that straightened out. > > > Thanks so much for your help... I hope in the next week to write a > > completely preliminary delineation of my natal chart for your >perusal, > > perhaps someone will be able to point out the basic things I will >overlook > > - as I know I shall! > > > > Blessings, > > > > Julie > >Good luck in your studies! Thanks! I'm having fun! Blessings, Julie > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, >Narasimha > > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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