Narasimha's post on Jayalalitha - Reply 2

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Namaste Narasimha,

 

Here is the second part of my reply.

 

>Rasi chart what physically manifests in this life and D-60 shows

>what physically manifested in the past life. Moola dasa shows how

>the actions (karma) of past life sow seeds for events in this life!

 

>Let us take Jayalalita Jayaram, chief minister of India's Tamil Nadu

>state.

 

> February 24, 1948

>Time: 14:36:30

>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

>Longitude: 80 E 18' 00"

>Latitude: 13 N 05' 00"

 

>Her D-60 is as follows: Lagna & Mars in Sg; Sun in Cp; Jupiter in

>Ar; Rahu in Ta; Mercury in Cn; Saturn in Le; Moon in Vi; Venus in Li

>and Ketu in Sc.

 

 

Let us assume that the birth time you have is absolutely accurate (as

rectified by whatever means). You have

 

02/24/1948 at 14:36:30 in Madras 13n05, 80e18

 

For this, you get:

 

D-1 lagna at 21.17 Gemini, Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna in Libra.

 

D-60 lagna & Mars in Sg; Sun in Cp; Jupiter in Ar; Rahu in Ta;

Mercury in Cn; Saturn in Le; Moon in Vi; Venus in Li and Ketu in Sc.

 

Now, take the following combination of cities and times. All these

cities are in South India. Some of them are within a couple of

hundred kilometers from Madras, but Bangalore, Mysore and

Calicut are several hundred kilometers away. Calicut is actually

on the other coast.

 

02/24/1948 at 14:39:00 in Tirupati 13n39, 79e25

02/24/1948 at 14:39:17 in Kanchipuram 12n50, 79e43

02/24/1948 at 14:39:55 in Cuddapah 14n28, 78e49

02/24/1948 at 14:40:11 in Pondicherry 11n56, 79e53

02/24/1948 at 14:41:00 in Chittoor 13n12, 79e07

02/24/1948 at 14:45:04 in Thanjavur 10n48, 79e09

02/24/1948 at 14:47:28 in Bangalore 12n59, 77e35

02/24/1948 at 14:47:30 in Salem 11n39, 78e10

02/24/1948 at 14:52:25 in Mysore 12n18, 76e39

02/24/1948 at 14:57:45 in Calicut 11n15, 75e46

 

In ALL the above cases, we have Lagna at 21.17 Gemini, Hora

Lagna and Ghati Lagna in Libra.

 

We also have the IDENTICAL lagna and planetary placements in

D-60 as in Jayalalita's "original" chart (I do not know about

Yakshamsa or Amritamsa, but if they are dependent on degrees

of planets, they would be identical as well).

 

Now, if we look at the time/place combinations I have chosen,

we find that between 14:36:30 in Madras and 14:57:45 in Calicut,

we have substantially the SAME chart rising over a significant

part of South India. Again, there are *minor* differences, such

as GL and HL in D-60, the "janma vighati graha" etc, but nobody

can deny that the chart is substantially the same.

 

Anybody born in any of these dozens of "time-place windows" would

have the same chart!!

 

>Venus is in Amritamsa (amrita = nectar) in moolatrikona in the 11th

>house of gains in D-60 and has argala on Moon in 10th. He gives

>excellent skills in refined entertainment. In this life also, being

>exalted in 10th house, he is a yogakaraka and yogada. In his dasa

>during 1965-1977, acting and other acts of entertainment must've

>come easily to her. I don't know the exact period, but she was

>indeed a popular actress in 60s/70s.

 

>Jupiter in 5th in D-60 shows power and authority in past life. In

>this life, he owns 10th and occupies the 7th house of relations.

This

>shows power and association with powerful people. She entered

>politics.

 

>Venus is exalted in 10th and he owns GL and HL and aspects lagna. He

>gives raja yogas, malavya yoga and also becomes a maha yogada

>(association with lagna, GL and HL). So his antardasa, which was the

>last in Jupiter dasa, made her the chief minister of Tamil Nadu

>state.

 

All the above three paragraphs apply fully to all the people born in

the "time-place windows" mentioned earlier. Now, either nobody was

born at all in South India with the same D-1 and D-60 (a remarkable

fact, given India's population and birth rate) or the same

placements of Venus and Jupiter did not do the same thing for the

others!

 

This brings up the question:

 

Say twelve people have the same planetary placements in D-1 to

D-60, and a very minor difference in HL or GL. If this translates

to one person becoming a movie superstar / chief minister of a

state and the others becoming (say) a local stage actress and/or

leaders in a small factory, then HOW are we going to look at a chart

of a fifteen year old kid and say what the person's future is going

to be?? Is he going to become a movie star, or is he merely going

to act in school plays? Is he going to be a small-time politician,

or is he going to become the President?? Is he going to play

tennis in his spare time, or is he going to win Wimbledon?

 

Do we wait for the person to live out his destiny before conducting

an after-the-fact analysis on his chart?

 

Are we going to have to measure birthtime to nanoseconds to

find out? Then what about the hugely different ayanamsas that

are in place??! What is the point being ultra-accurate with the

birthtime if one is going to use an approximate ayanamsa? Or

a questionable ayanamsa?

 

I tried raising this question before; while this elicited some

truly brilliant responses from Satyaketu, the vast majority of

people replying focussed on my data, rather than on the logic of

my point.

 

Since this has to do with a concrete example - Jayalalita, perhaps

something more useful may come up.

 

Finally, we have to think of why BV Raman calls astrology the

"science of tendencies"? Meaning that how far we go with our

tendencies is left to free will and our own effort ....... ?

 

I remain,

 

Mahalinga Iyer

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Allow me to respond.

 

I mentioned earlier I do not involve in debates. However, your question

indicates to me that you are an intelligent person asking intelligent

questions who truly is struggling to find an answer. Hence, I will

respond.

 

Re. your first reply, please apply the lesson to those charts for which you

have reasonably accurate data and see if the lesson holds any ground and to

what extent. That exercise would be the best technique to help you.

 

Re. your second reply, you state:

 

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This brings up the question:

 

Say twelve people have the same planetary placements in D-1 to

D-60, and a very minor difference in HL or GL. If this translates

to one person becoming a movie superstar / chief minister of a

state and the others becoming (say) a local stage actress and/or

leaders in a small factory, then HOW are we going to look at a chart

of a fifteen year old kid and say what the person's future is going

to be?? Is he going to become a movie star, or is he merely going

to act in school plays? Is he going to be a small-time politician,

or is he going to become the President?? Is he going to play

tennis in his spare time, or is he going to win Wimbledon?

 

Do we wait for the person to live out his destiny before conducting

an after-the-fact analysis on his chart?

 

Are we going to have to measure birthtime to nanoseconds to

find out? Then what about the hugely different ayanamsas that

are in place??! What is the point being ultra-accurate with the

birthtime if one is going to use an approximate ayanamsa? Or

a questionable ayanamsa?

 

I tried raising this question before; while this elicited some

truly brilliant responses from Satyaketu, the vast majority of

people replying focussed on my data, rather than on the logic of

my point.

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I am sorry, I did not understand your question. The whole piece contains

many questions which point to some doubt but what is that doubt?? Please

state the point or the context of the discussion. There are many possible

questions one may derive from the above piece as it is written (even though

I am quite certain you intend to communicate something specific).

 

I interpreted the question as relating to precision of predictions and gave

my reply based on that assumption. Others had different interpretations;

hence the variety in responses.

 

However, there were a few important consistencies in the theme of the

majority of responses. None of these peope claimed Astrology to be an

exact science as it exists today; everybody accepted the role of intuition;

and finally people accepted there needs to be more research. Given these

factors, perhaps all the questions/hypothesis you raise in your second last

paragraph (from the piece I have listed above) may prove to be correct some

day. Let us work to prove/disprove our hypothesis.

 

I just re-read your note and focused on, " Finally, we have to think of why

BV Raman calls astrology the

"science of tendencies"? Meaning that how far we go with our

tendencies is left to free will and our own effort ....... ?"

 

If your point is to advise, awake people to Karmic strength, then bravo;

it is a noble cause. (Again, you will see that most on this list accept

self-Karma). If your point is to clear the confusion between Karma and

Destiny, my friend, this is a riddle very few have managed to solve. Even

after experiencing divinity Arjuna could not completely rid of this maya

(he was extremely grieved by Abhimanyu's demise).

 

Having said all that, do recognize that both have a role. Rama, the

epitome of a Karma-yogi, recognized and accepted the power of planets as

illustrated in Ramayana. Rama accepted his destiny as it was and did not

spend time grieving (why me syndrome) or escaping it; rather, he faced it

head-on and got busy managing the situation. In managing those results he

followed the path of Satya and Dharma. I think this is the same message of

Krishna in Geeta.

 

Is it a paradox? Absolutely but only if you try to determine which is

stronger Destiny or Karma. If you accept the statement as is (or that both

have equal importance) then there is no confusion. One does not have any

power to change destiny; but one, through yoga, has complete power to

control the effects on self and choose his/her actions/responses.

 

I am struggling to end this note because I feel it is incomplete; I do not

have a conclusion. I have merely listed a few points/thoughts. But

perhaps, that is because I do not know what I am answering. Anyways, I

hope I am on track and look forward to understanding you.

 

Best Regards,

 

SA