Aryan Immigration Theory -Aryans in the Vedas

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Hare Rama Krsna.

 

>Indological linguistic magic and word juglary

>aside, not even a tiny evidence for the so-called Aryan

>Invasion (of India) or Aryan Migration (into or out of

>India), or even the existance of a RACE or TRIBE called

>"Aryan" exists in ancient Indian texts (or in practice in

>India) - not in the Vedas, BhraahmaNas, AaraNyakas, Darshana

>texts, Vedanga texts, Shrauta and Gr`hya sutras, 18 major

>PuraaNas, RamayaNa, Mahaabhaarata Itihaasa texts, several

>upa-puraaNas, and multitudes of commentaries on many of them

>as well as commentaries on the commmentaries - written

>before the Europeans "discovered" India and Samskr`tam, and

>the barbaric "Aryans" whose priest "class" gave the most

>profund thoughts to humanity! All this is now known as pure

>Euro-centric colonial humbug.

 

The statement that the Aryan race was not known in ancient Vedic scriptures

is not true! Just to give you the proof, here are a couple of quotes from AC

Bhaktivedanta Swami's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is":

 

Chapter 2, text 2: sri-bhagavan uvaca

kutas tva kasmalam idam

visame samupasthitam

(*) anarya-justam asvargyam

akirti-karam arjuna

 

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: My dear Arjuna, how have these

impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the

value of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy."

 

-- He translates anarya here as "a person who does not know the value of

life". Here is the word arya, and one who is not arya is called anarya.

In the Purport to this verse Bhaktivedanta swami writes: "...Krsna expressed

His surprise with the word kutah, 'wherefrom'. Such impurities were never

expected from a person belonging to the civilized class of men known as

***Aryans***. The word ***Aryan*** is applicable to persons who know the

value of life and have a civilization based on spiritual realization.

....Person who have no knowledge of liberation from material bondage are

called non-Aryans. Although Arjuna was a ksatriya, he was deviating from his

prescribed duties by declining to fight. This act of cowardice is described

as befitting the non-Aryans."

 

Elsewhere, in the purport to Chapter 2, text 46, Bhaktivedanta Swami quotes

a verse from the Srimad-Bhagavata Purana Canto 3, Ch. 3, text 7:

aho bata sva-paco'to gariyan

yaj-jihvagre vartate nama tubhyam

tepus tapas te juhuvuh sasnur arya (*)

brahmanucur nama grnanti ye te

 

"O my Lord, a person who is chanting Your holy name, although born of a low

family like that of a candala (dog-eater), is situated on the highest

platform of self-realization. Such a person must have performed all kinds of

penances and sacrifices according to Vedic rituals and studied the Vedic

literatures many, many times after taking his bath in all the holy places of

pilgrimage. Such a person is considered to be the best of the Aryan family."

 

-- From this it should be known that there indeed existed an Aryan family in

ancient India, leaving aside all speculations by modern-day Indologists who

may not truly understand the actual meaning of the word Aryan.

 

Sorry for any inconvenience, I just thought to enter my viewpoint regarding

this discussion.

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa

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Aarya (noble) or anaarya (ignoble) are adjectives and not

name of any race in Vedic and ancient smr`ti texts. For

example, Manu Samhita names many races that existed at the

time of its compilation; "aarya" RACE is not in that list.

(Manu Samhita also defines "chaandaala" as one born to a

woman of BraahmaNa varNa by a man of Shudra varNa, and not

as dog-eater, as Swami Prabhupaada did.) BraahmaNa texts

mention of varNas for groups, not "aarya" for any group or

class. Sita Devi refers to Shree Raama as "aarya"; so does

Mandodari to RaavaNa. Amara Simha of "amarakosha" gives

sabhya, sajjana, saadhava, etc. as equivalents. PuraaNas use

these words in such context only.

 

That "aarya" refers to a race or tribe or substantially

large social group is the invention or due to ignorance of

18th century Euro-centric colonial thinkers, and rest is all

Indological linguistic magic and word juglary, including

reading into Swami Prabhupaada's, which is a recent work.

One has to compare texts and commentaries written before and

after the application of Indological magic wand to see

through the airy liguistic construct.

 

Speculations aside, we do NOT know if some white-skinned

tribes marched over to India and subjugated the natives once

or even million times. Whoever did so either got wiped out

instantly or got digested in due TIME. For wholesale

invasion and subjugation, there is no evidence in ancient

Hindu texts - texts of a people who methodically kept track

of their hoary ancestry, time, and geography - a method that

far surpassed any other elsewhere in those times. PuraaNas

mention of banishing criminals beyond the western borders

instead - not once, many times over a long stretch of time.

 

In contrast, most post-17th century writings are just

writings and opinions with European speculative origin and

colonial agenda. Whatever is there in English is mostly

colored by this speculative origin. If any reads the 18th

century Indology foundational writings, steep ignorance,

plain cockyness, and blind superiority complex of the

writers becomes quite evident. I feel all this will die in

due course of time.

 

"Aaryan race" does not exist today, and probably never ever

existed except in some European & English imaginations. But

we do know with 100% certainty that the notion of (its)

supreme race arose in 18th century Germany. Fanatical

Germans saw themselves as the pure "aaryan race" and casted

history of other cultures in their light (like - THEIR

ancestors marched all over and conquered!), produced Adolph

Hitler and the ambition to control the world, wiped out

millions of Jews, etc. It is the same superior "race"

mentality oiled by religions of 15th-18th century Europe and

Middle East that has resulted in millions more killings of

humanity in the Americas, Africa, and Asia. It is this the

KKK in USA exists for.

 

West in general is still stuck in this "conquering" mindset.

It is this sole Euro-centric contribution of racism and

"conquering of outside" that troubles humanity everywhere

today more than anything else on the social scene. Whereas,

India since time immemorial has attempted to "conquer the

inside - one's own mind". The so-called "aaryan invasion or

immigration theory" is simply footnote of this European

"conquering of outside" demonics. We whites are the children

of these demons really, yet we fail to see Jupiter's light.

That Vedic astrology came from Western astrology, the origin

of our thread, is a natural confusion, I feel. The native

panDita, uneducated in English, over in India has his pity

on us, fortunately.

 

Dhira Krsna (das) BCS (Radhadesh - B) wrote:

>

> The statement that the Aryan race was not known in ancient Vedic scriptures

> is not true! Just to give you the proof, here are a couple of quotes from AC

> Bhaktivedanta Swami's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is":

>

> Chapter 2, text 2: sri-bhagavan uvaca

> kutas tva kasmalam idam

> visame samupasthitam

> (*) anarya-justam asvargyam

> akirti-karam arjuna

>

> "The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: My dear Arjuna, how have these

> impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the

> value of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy."

>

> -- He translates anarya here as "a person who does not know the value of

> life". Here is the word arya, and one who is not arya is called anarya.

> In the Purport to this verse Bhaktivedanta swami writes: "...Krsna expressed

> His surprise with the word kutah, 'wherefrom'. Such impurities were never

> expected from a person belonging to the civilized class of men known as

> ***Aryans***. The word ***Aryan*** is applicable to persons who know the

> value of life and have a civilization based on spiritual realization.

> ...Person who have no knowledge of liberation from material bondage are

> called non-Aryans. Although Arjuna was a ksatriya, he was deviating from his

> prescribed duties by declining to fight. This act of cowardice is described

> as befitting the non-Aryans."

>

> Elsewhere, in the purport to Chapter 2, text 46, Bhaktivedanta Swami quotes

> a verse from the Srimad-Bhagavata Purana Canto 3, Ch. 3, text 7:

> aho bata sva-paco'to gariyan

> yaj-jihvagre vartate nama tubhyam

> tepus tapas te juhuvuh sasnur arya (*)

> brahmanucur nama grnanti ye te

>

> "O my Lord, a person who is chanting Your holy name, although born of a low

> family like that of a candala (dog-eater), is situated on the highest

> platform of self-realization. Such a person must have performed all kinds of

> penances and sacrifices according to Vedic rituals and studied the Vedic

> literatures many, many times after taking his bath in all the holy places of

> pilgrimage. Such a person is considered to be the best of the Aryan family."

>

> -- From this it should be known that there indeed existed an Aryan family in

> ancient India, leaving aside all speculations by modern-day Indologists who

> may not truly understand the actual meaning of the word Aryan.

>

> Sorry for any inconvenience, I just thought to enter my viewpoint regarding

> this discussion.

>

> Your sishya,

> Dhira Krsna dasa