COVA p313 Clinton Scandal comparison chart

[Guest guest]

Namaste.

 

I found an identical chart to Bill Clinton's, which is shown on page 313 of

COVA, in regards to scandals. I thought it might interest some people.

 

It is Robert Downey Jr's chart. He has been facing scandal for many years

now and has been in and out of jail and rehabilitation for drug possession,

use and addiction. He recently was released, but then caught again and is

facing more charges and scandal.

 

He also has Cancer rising, with AL in Libra. Like Clinton, Rahu, causing the

scandals, is in the 8th from AL, aspecting both ascendant and AL.

 

Note Gulika and Mandi in the second house, giving consumption of drugs. Rahu

conjoins Gulika in navamsa 9th house, which shows the poisoning.

 

The dasa running since 89 has been Rahu, who forms the scandal yoga, as well

as guru-chandala.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

Robert Downey Jr.

Date of Birth: April 4, 1965

Time of Birth: 1:01:00 pm

Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 74 W 00

Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43

 

 

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[Guest guest]

At 06:04 PM 6/21/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>Namaste.

>

>I found an identical chart to Bill Clinton's, which is shown on page 313 of

>COVA, in regards to scandals. I thought it might interest some people.

>

>It is Robert Downey Jr's chart. He has been facing scandal for many years

>now and has been in and out of jail and rehabilitation for drug possession,

>use and addiction. He recently was released, but then caught again and is

>facing more charges and scandal.

>

>He also has Cancer rising, with AL in Libra.

 

I hate to ask an obvious newbie question, but what is AL?

 

Thanks!

 

Julie

 

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[Guest guest]

>>I hate to ask an obvious newbie question, but what is AL?

 

 

Dear Julie,

 

Welcome to the list. Please don't hesitate to ask beginner's questions. If

someone has the time they will answer. If not, please make use of the

extensive archives but clicking the link in the footer of every post. Almost

every topic and answer can be found there. When you get Narasimha's book you

will see Arudha Lagna (AL) explained clearly. Actually, Narasimha generously

provided some extracts of his book on his website. And you are in luck, he has

included the chapter on Arudhas. You can find it at the link below:

 

 

http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/bookex1.htm

 

If after reading the chapter you still have question, I'll be happy to try to

help you. I remember being in your shoes several years ago.

 

Best Wishes,

Karen

[Guest guest]

Dear Julie and Karen,

 

Actually, the book extract at the given link talks only about the

arudhas of houses other than lagna. Unfortunately, answer to Julie's

question is in the 2 paragraphs before the extract and they're not

included in the extract.

 

Julie, here is a quick answer:

 

Each house has something called "arudha" or "arudha pada" or "pada"

associated with it. Its computation is easy, but I'll skip it for

simplicity. You can refer toi my book for computation and examples.

 

Arudha of the first house (i.e. lagna or ascendant) is known

as "arudha lagna". It is usually denoted by AL.

 

While lagna stands for "the true self" (i.e. who a person truly is),

AL stands for "the perceived self". AL shows how a person is

perceived by the world. For example, an intelligent person may be

perceived by the world as a fool and vice versa. Lagna shows

the "reality" (which is wrapped under the layers of illusion that

make up this material world) and AL shows the illusions of this

material world.

 

If you are more interested, you can read some books and come back to

the list and peruse the archives. There were a lot of useful

discussions in the past.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Dear Julie,

>

> Welcome to the list. Please don't hesitate to ask beginner's

questions. If someone has the time they will answer. If not, please

make use of the extensive archives but clicking the link in the

footer of every post. Almost every topic and answer can be found

there. When you get Narasimha's book you will see Arudha Lagna

(AL) explained clearly. Actually, Narasimha generously provided some

extracts of his book on his website. And you are in luck, he has

included the chapter on Arudhas. You can find it at the link below:

>

>

> http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/bookex1.htm

>

> If after reading the chapter you still have question, I'll be happy

to try to help you. I remember being in your shoes several years ago.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Karen

[Guest guest]

At 09:34 PM 6/21/2001 -0400, you wrote:

> >>I hate to ask an obvious newbie question, but what is AL?

>

>

>Dear Julie,

>

>Welcome to the list. Please don't hesitate to ask beginner's

>questions. If someone has the time they will answer. If not, please make

>use of the extensive archives but clicking the link in the footer of every

>post. Almost every topic and answer can be found there. When you get

>Narasimha's book you will see Arudha Lagna (AL) explained

>clearly. Actually, Narasimha generously provided some extracts of his

>book on his website. And you are in luck, he has included the chapter on

>Arudhas. You can find it at the link below:

>

>

><http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/bookex1.htm>http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/bo\

okex1.htm

 

Dear Karen,

Thank you! You know, I read that last night... but didn't know that AL

meant Arudha Lagna.

But I downloaded Narasimha's software, and - lo and behold - there is my AL

in 10 (Aries) with Ketu. And I see all the other Arudhas for the rest of

the houses, at least I assume that's what the little brown A10s and A2s are...

Not only that, but in the help menu there is a nice page on it. Nice piece

of work, that program. I'm liking it more and more...

 

Heh. But seeing the Arudhas doesn't mean much to me... yet!

But I've ordered his book (and K. S. Charak's as well), so my summer

reading list is swelling to the breaking point.

 

>If after reading the chapter you still have question, I'll be happy to try

>to help you. I remember being in your shoes several years ago.

 

Thanks for the offer. I'm sure I'll take you up on it, eventually. Right

now I'm slogging my way through Frawley's "Astrology of the Seers", and

it's frustrating. Lots of information with very little concrete application

with charts, at least not yet.

 

He did wake me up with this quote, though: "The essence of Astrology lies

in understanding the meaning of the planets. The meanings of the signs,

houses, aspects and other astrological factors are determined by the

planets that rule and significate them. Astrology is nothing but the

science of the planets, as the forces of the stars manifest through them."

(p. 47) Comments?

 

He also made the point that if one planet is the final depositor of the

whole chart, the person is much like that planet. In my case the final

depositor is the Sun - in Leo, in 2, combusting both Mars and Mercury.

In Western Astrology one says that the conjunction of those 3 means that

the planetary energies are blended - that my Merc (Rx) and Mars functions

are indistinguishable from my Self - from my point of view. From my reading

in Jyotish, it seems that the Sun will/has burned up my Mars and Merc (not

a good thing for a Cancer lagna's career). I'm curious if I've got this right.

I would post my chart here, but I'm not sure where to go to get an ascii

Vedic chart. :\

 

Anyway, thanks for the heads up on the website...

 

Namaste,

 

Julie

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Julie and Geno, sweethearts forever

Geno Luker, April 29, 1985 - June 14, 2001

The best place to bury a good dog

is in the heart of his master.

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[Guest guest]

At 02:28 AM 6/22/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear Julie and Karen,

>

>Actually, the book extract at the given link talks only about the

>arudhas of houses other than lagna. Unfortunately, answer to Julie's

>question is in the 2 paragraphs before the extract and they're not

>included in the extract.

>

>Julie, here is a quick answer:

>

>Each house has something called "arudha" or "arudha pada" or "pada"

>associated with it. Its computation is easy, but I'll skip it for

>simplicity. You can refer toi my book for computation and examples.

 

I can't wait to get your book, Narasimha. I'm also enjoying your Jyotish

program, though I have lists of questions... wondering what different

things are, and mean. That will wait, I have a feeling that I'll figure

most of it out on my own.

 

>

>Arudha of the first house (i.e. lagna or ascendant) is known

>as "arudha lagna". It is usually denoted by AL.

>

>While lagna stands for "the true self" (i.e. who a person truly is),

>AL stands for "the perceived self". AL shows how a person is

>perceived by the world. For example, an intelligent person may be

>perceived by the world as a fool and vice versa. Lagna shows

>the "reality" (which is wrapped under the layers of illusion that

>make up this material world) and AL shows the illusions of this

>material world.

 

I'm assuming that in addition to the sign of the AL, that the house and any

grahas there are a part of the that perception?

 

>

>If you are more interested, you can read some books and come back to

>the list and peruse the archives. There were a lot of useful

>discussions in the past.

 

I will do that.

Thank you, Narasimha

 

Namaste,

 

Julie

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Julie and Geno, sweethearts forever

Geno Luker, April 29, 1985 - June 14, 2001

The best place to bury a good dog

is in the heart of his master.

@}-}- .,-*'`'*-,.,-*'`'*-,.,-*'`'*-,. --{-{@