father from 10th/9th BPHS quotes - Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Namaste Narasimha,

 

I have collected these verses already, and hopefully you don't mind

me responding to your request for Parasar's quotes. There are many

references to the 10th, yet there are also more that take the 9th

house. Why these 10th house references? Should we take both?

 

The following yogas show affliction to 10th causing death to the

father. Although these are the second house from the 9th, a maraka

house, this reasoning is not in line with the rest of the quotations

in this chapter that give affliction to the 4th house causing death

to the mother.

 

BPHS 9 38. Early and troubled will be one's father's death if Mars

is in the 10th house identical with his enemy's rashi.

 

Compare with BPHS 9 28. Should a malefic be in the 4th, identical

with an inimical rashi, counted from the Moon, while there is no

benefic in a Kendra, the child will lose its mother in a premature

manner.

 

BPHS 9 39. the Moon in the 6th house, Saturn in the 1st house, and

Mars in the 7th house: this array of heavenly bodies at birth will

not ensure a long span of life for the father. (Saturn and Mars

aspect the 10th)

 

Compare this to BPHS 9 31. Jupiter, Saturn, and Rahu respectively

posited in the 1st, Dhana, and the 3rd house, will cause mother's

death early. (Saturn and Rahu aspect the 4th)

 

BPHS 10 8. Though malefics are in the 4th / 10th are a source of

evil for the father, they turn auspicious if hemmed by benefics or

if benefics are in trines or in angles.

 

In chapter 11 Parasar directly states that the 10th (from Lagna)

represents the father.

 

BPHS 11 11. Indications of the 10th house: Royalty (authority),

place, profession (livelihood), honor, father, living in foreign

lands and debts are to be understood from the 10th house.

 

In the 24th chapter on placement of house lords, the 10th is used to

refer to father, although so is the 9th.

 

BPHS 24 70. If the 6th's lord is in the 10th house, the native will

be well known among his men, will not be respectfully disposed to his

father and will be happy in foreign countries. He will be a gifted

speaker.

 

BPHS 24 110 If the 10th's lord is in Dhana house, the native will be

wealthy, virtuous, honored by the king, charitable, and will enjoy

happiness from father and others.

 

Regarding the following quotation; why would the father have

enjoyment in his 8th lord cycle? The 7th lord however would bring

enjoyment.

 

BPHS 70 16-18. (1) The father enjoys happiness in the Dasha of the

lord of the 4th from Ascendant.

 

CURSES. The following yogas use the 10th house as indicative of the

father. This interpretation follows the other curse sections, as they

all use the standard houses given to the various people, 4th for

mother, 7th for wife, 3rd for brother, etc.

 

BPHS 83 25 There is an exchange of houses between the lords of the

5th and the 10th and the ascendant and the 5th are occupied by

malefics.

 

BPHS 83 26 Mars as the lord of the 10th is associated with the lord

of the 5th and the ascendant, the 5th and 10th houses are occupied by

malefics.

 

BPHS 83 27 The lord of the 10th is in the 6th, 8th, 12th, Jupiter is

in a maleifc rashi and the lord of the ascendant and the 5th are

associated with malefics.

 

BPHS 83 90 The lord of the 12th is in the ascendant, the lord of the

8th is in the 5th and the lord of the 10th is in the 8th.

 

BPHS 83 91 The lord of the 6th is in the 5th, the lord of the 10th

is in the 6th, and Jupiter is associated with Rahu.

 

There are several more references to the 10th and the father, but

these are the bulk of them. Hence the cofusion that many have.

Because although Parasar lists these, he has also listed all of the

yogas involving the 9th. Are we to understand that we must refer to

the 9th for particular matters regarding the father and the 10th for

others?

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, pvr@m... wrote:

> Namaste Sanjiv,

>

> > The classics don't seem to clear this confusion. There are

places

> in BPHS

> > where 10th house is examined and at other places where prominence

> is given

> > to the 9th.

>

> Well, can you refer me to all the verses in which Parasara

prescribes

> 10th for father?

>

> Thanks,

> Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Alex,

 

> BPHS 9 38. Early and troubled will be one's father's death if Mars

> is in the 10th house identical with his enemy's rashi.

>

> Compare with BPHS 9 28. Should a malefic be in the 4th, identical

> with an inimical rashi, counted from the Moon, while there is no

> benefic in a Kendra, the child will lose its mother in a premature

> manner.

 

Well, nice comparison. However, realize that the logic is quite

indirect here.

 

Look at 9-29. Malefics in 6th and 12th bring fear to mother and the

same thing for father with 4th and 10th.

 

Should we "compare" these two things (given in the same verse!) and

conclude that the 2nd or 8th house shows father? (The 6th and 12th

are 3rd and 9th from 4th house showing mother. If you want 4th and

10th to be 3rd and 9th, you have to take 2nd or 8th as the house

showing father.)

 

It is hasty to "compare" results given for mother and father and

deduce from it the house that shows father. Let us not jump to

conclusions based on things that we don't fully understand.

 

> In chapter 11 Parasar directly states that the 10th (from Lagna)

> represents the father.

>

> BPHS 11 11. Indications of the 10th house: Royalty (authority),

> place, profession (livelihood), honor, father, living in foreign

> lands and debts are to be understood from the 10th house.

 

This one is direct, however, it doesn't tally with detailed

indications presented on 9th and 10th houses in chapters 20 and 21.

 

So this verse could simply be a corrupted version. Many places

directly state 9th to be the house of father. That also supports the

view that this particular verse is corrupted.

 

I welcome you to dig into this further and study more, but let us not

confuse beginners. Though some scholars insist that 10th house shows

father, more than 90% of traditional astrologers of India use the 9th

house.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Namaste Alex, Narasimha

Parashara also states that 9th from the sun is taken for father..why not

10th?

He also futher states that wife should be seen from 7th from venus, children

from 5th from jupiter, so consequently 9th from sun is taken for father.

There are much more implications targeting at 9th house. Father cannot only

be mother's husband, as often suggested from counting 7th places from 4th

house, naither can mother be father's wife. In today's society there are

cases of more marriages which would defy such logic of counting. Dharma (9th

house) comes from father(natural ruler guru) and sukha happiness comes from

mother(natural ruler Chandra). This is the basic concept of Vedic philosophy.

Actually 10th house is marak for mother, so how can a father be marak to

mother? There could be some logic present in patriarchal society that

Father's sustainance should be seen in 10th house(2nd from 9th), and it is

father's status and sustainance that used to shelter the family in

patriarchal societies. Today it is not always so.Also in ancient times son's

used to contiunue father's profession and sustainance, and that might be the

reason for assigning 10th house to father.Shani that futher rules natural

10th house of the zodiac is the worst enemy of sun, so how could father

belong there. On the contrary, guru, ruler of 9th house is significator of

dharma, natural laws, progeny and consequently it is father that we inherits

dharma from, who give us his genes(x chromozome prevails in sex

determination) and by whom we pass on the genes to our children. Thus examine

9th house from sun in both rashi/ and D-12 charts and you will see your

father's figure well

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

pvr wrote:

 

> Dear Alex,

>

> > BPHS 9 38. Early and troubled will be one's father's death if Mars

> > is in the 10th house identical with his enemy's rashi.

> >

> > Compare with BPHS 9 28. Should a malefic be in the 4th, identical

> > with an inimical rashi, counted from the Moon, while there is no

> > benefic in a Kendra, the child will lose its mother in a premature

> > manner.

>

> Well, nice comparison. However, realize that the logic is quite

> indirect here.

>

> Look at 9-29. Malefics in 6th and 12th bring fear to mother and the

> same thing for father with 4th and 10th.

>

> Should we "compare" these two things (given in the same verse!) and

> conclude that the 2nd or 8th house shows father? (The 6th and 12th

> are 3rd and 9th from 4th house showing mother. If you want 4th and

> 10th to be 3rd and 9th, you have to take 2nd or 8th as the house

> showing father.)

>

> It is hasty to "compare" results given for mother and father and

> deduce from it the house that shows father. Let us not jump to

> conclusions based on things that we don't fully understand.

>

> > In chapter 11 Parasar directly states that the 10th (from Lagna)

> > represents the father.

> >

> > BPHS 11 11. Indications of the 10th house: Royalty (authority),

> > place, profession (livelihood), honor, father, living in foreign

> > lands and debts are to be understood from the 10th house.

>

> This one is direct, however, it doesn't tally with detailed

> indications presented on 9th and 10th houses in chapters 20 and 21.

>

> So this verse could simply be a corrupted version. Many places

> directly state 9th to be the house of father. That also supports the

> view that this particular verse is corrupted.

>

> I welcome you to dig into this further and study more, but let us not

> confuse beginners. Though some scholars insist that 10th house shows

> father, more than 90% of traditional astrologers of India use the 9th

> house.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

I see your point how these comparisons can be misleading. I

apologize, it was not my intention. I was making suggestions as to

why people would be lead to consider the 10th house as the father, in

order to give the other perspective. But you are right, I do not wish

to add to any confusion, so I have added a few key slokas showing

Parasar's preference for the 9th house denoting father.

 

Overall BPHS definitely favours the 9th house for father. As the 9th

house from the Sun is taken, then logically the 9th house from other

lagnas should also be seen for father. The 9th from Lagna, Sun and

Moon are cited below from BPHS:

 

BPHS 7 39-43. Indications from Bhavas: the 9th Bhava and the 9th from

the Sun deal with one's father.

 

BPHS 32 22-24. Bhavas Related: These constant significances are

derivable from the houses counted from the said constant Karakatwas.

The 9th from the Sun denotes father

 

BPHS 20 20 If Saturn is in the 9th from the Moon, as the Sun is with

Rahu, the native's father will die in the 7th or the 19th year of the

native.

 

BPHS 20 6. Royal Status for Father: If the 9th's lord is an angle and

receives a aspect from Jupiter, the native's father will be a king

endowed with conveyances or be equal to a king.

 

BPHS 20 11. Inimical to Father: There will be mutual enmity between

the father and the native if Ascendant's lord is in the 9th house,

but with the lord of the 6th. Further, the native's father will be of

contemptible disposition.

 

It is clear from these and many more passages like them that Parasara

favours the 9th in most respects for signifying the father. Still

some things such as curses definitely take the 10th as the

significator for Father. I do not understand why, but perhaps with

Jupiter's light someday I will.

 

Best regards,

 

Alex J