Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Namaskar, A previous note giving the "skinny" on the Aryan Migrations (and the evolution of Vedic cultures) question is very simplistic. Those with an interest in the subject may enjoy knowing that the leading Out of India theory(ies) are discussed very cogently and comprehensively by Michael Witzel in a long but fascinating article currently posted at the Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies http://nautilus.shore.net/~india/ejvs/ (Go to "current and back issues.") Michael Witzel is professor of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard University. You will find his contact information at the Journal website. I very much enjoyed his article on "Autochthonous Aryans" and I recommend it to my learned associates. Respectfully, B.P. Lama, Jyotish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 I am forwarding a word document containing the research paper publised by Dr. David Frawley, entitled "Myth of Aryan Invasion of India" which must be an interesting reading for the friends who have been debating the issue. Regards Narayan "Barbara Pijan Lama" <b_pijan Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:56 -0700 <vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory > Namaskar, > > A previous note giving the "skinny" on the Aryan Migrations (and the > evolution of Vedic cultures) question is very simplistic. Those with an > interest in the subject may enjoy knowing that the leading Out of India > theory(ies) are discussed very cogently and comprehensively by Michael > Witzel in a long but fascinating article currently posted at the Electronic > Journal of Vedic Studies <A HREF="http://nautilus.shore.net/~india/ejvs/" TARGET="_new"><FONT COLOR="BLUE">http://nautilus.shore.net/~india/ejvs/</FONT></A> (Go to > "current and back issues.") > > Michael Witzel is professor of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard > University. You will find his contact information at the Journal website. > I very much enjoyed his article on "Autochthonous Aryans" and I recommend it > to my learned associates. > > Respectfully, > B.P. Lama, Jyotish > > > > > Archives: <A HREF="vedic astrology" TARGET="_new"><FONT COLOR="BLUE">vedic astrology</FONT></A> > > Group info: <A HREF="vedic astrology/info.html" TARGET="_new"><FONT COLOR="BLUE">vedic astrology/info.html</FONT></A> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to <A HREF="" TARGET="_new"><FONT COLOR="BLUE"></FONT></A> > > > -- _____________ Get your free email from http://mymail.altavista.com Attachment: (application/msword) Aryan Invasion of India.doc [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Namasthe. The original point of this thread posted by a member was regarding western astrology vs. Vedic astrology - which came from which. Indological linguistic magic and word juglary aside, not even a tiny evidence for the so-called Aryan Invasion (of India) or Aryan Migration (into or out of India), or even the existance of a RACE or TRIBE called "Aryan" exists in ancient Indian texts (or in practice in India) - not in the Vedas, BhraahmaNas, AaraNyakas, Darshana texts, Vedanga texts, Shrauta and Gr`hya sutras, 18 major PuraaNas, RamayaNa, Mahaabhaarata Itihaasa texts, several upa-puraaNas, and multitudes of commentaries on many of them as well as commentaries on the commmentaries - written before the Europeans "discovered" India and Samskr`tam, and the barbaric "Aryans" whose priest "class" gave the most profund thoughts to humanity! All this is now known as pure Euro-centric colonial humbug. Remembering the ancestry stretching way back to thousands of years and geography features is a unique feature of Indian civilization through gotra-pravara, teertha yaatras and references to places even in the daily Sandhyaavandana (eg., Ganga-Yamunayormunibhyascha namah). None of this matches the Indological constructs. It is on this point, Witzel's labor stands out. He has struggled very hard to construct such proof - even revealing in the process that he does not know Samskr`ta grammar! Our Vaidika panditas in India's villages quietly laugh at this kind of psuedo-expertise. Even current Indological opinions are case studies of monumental blunders, perfectly in line with its 18th century colonial foundation. The single most contribution of such Indology to us in the West is a thorough muddying of India's true history and ennobling contributions so that we remain in our primitive war culture! As long as we look through the prism of Indology, anything of India will appear with bizarre colors that seems to have had originated from our western habitats. Narayan K.B.V. wrote: > > I am forwarding a word document containing the research paper publised by Dr. David Frawley, entitled "Myth of Aryan Invasion of India" which must be an interesting reading... > > Regards > Narayan > > > "Barbara Pijan Lama" <b_pijan > Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:56 -0700 > <vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory > > > Namaskar, > > > > A previous note giving the "skinny" on the Aryan Migrations (and the > > evolution of Vedic cultures) question is very simplistic. Those with an > > interest in the subject may enjoy knowing that the leading Out of India > > theory(ies) are discussed very cogently and comprehensively by Michael > > Witzel in a long but fascinating article currently posted at the Electronic > > Journal of Vedic Studies > > Michael Witzel is professor of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard > > University. You will find his contact information at the Journal website. > > I very much enjoyed his article on "Autochthonous Aryans" and I recommend it > > to my learned associates. > > > > Respectfully, > > B.P. Lama, Jyotish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 Namaste, Can anyone please confirm, Is there a pure ARYAN living in India. (India has been conquered MANY time) Regards Vissie > ---------- > tik[sMTP:tik] > Reply vedic astrology > 19 June 2001 03:50 > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory > > Namasthe. > > The original point of this thread posted by a member was > regarding western astrology vs. Vedic astrology - which came > from which. Indological linguistic magic and word juglary > aside, not even a tiny evidence for the so-called Aryan > Invasion (of India) or Aryan Migration (into or out of > India), or even the existance of a RACE or TRIBE called > "Aryan" exists in ancient Indian texts (or in practice in > India) - not in the Vedas, BhraahmaNas, AaraNyakas, Darshana > texts, Vedanga texts, Shrauta and Gr`hya sutras, 18 major > PuraaNas, RamayaNa, Mahaabhaarata Itihaasa texts, several > upa-puraaNas, and multitudes of commentaries on many of them > as well as commentaries on the commmentaries - written > before the Europeans "discovered" India and Samskr`tam, and > the barbaric "Aryans" whose priest "class" gave the most > profund thoughts to humanity! All this is now known as pure > Euro-centric colonial humbug. > > Remembering the ancestry stretching way back to thousands of > years and geography features is a unique feature of Indian > civilization through gotra-pravara, teertha yaatras and > references to places even in the daily Sandhyaavandana (eg., > Ganga-Yamunayormunibhyascha namah). None of this matches the > Indological constructs. > > It is on this point, Witzel's labor stands out. He has > struggled very hard to construct such proof - even revealing > in the process that he does not know Samskr`ta grammar! Our > Vaidika panditas in India's villages quietly laugh at this > kind of psuedo-expertise. Even current Indological opinions > are case studies of monumental blunders, perfectly in line > with its 18th century colonial foundation. The single most > contribution of such Indology to us in the West is a > thorough muddying of India's true history and ennobling > contributions so that we remain in our primitive war > culture! > > As long as we look through the prism of Indology, anything > of India will appear with bizarre colors that seems to have > had originated from our western habitats. > > Narayan K.B.V. wrote: > > > > I am forwarding a word document containing the research paper publised > by Dr. David Frawley, entitled "Myth of Aryan Invasion of India" which > must be an interesting reading... > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > "Barbara Pijan Lama" <b_pijan > > Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:56 -0700 > > <vedic astrology> > > [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > A previous note giving the "skinny" on the Aryan Migrations (and the > > > evolution of Vedic cultures) question is very simplistic. Those with > an > > > interest in the subject may enjoy knowing that the leading Out of > India > > > theory(ies) are discussed very cogently and comprehensively by Michael > > > Witzel in a long but fascinating article currently posted at the > Electronic > > > Journal of Vedic Studies > > > > Michael Witzel is professor of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard > > > University. You will find his contact information at the Journal > website. > > > I very much enjoyed his article on "Autochthonous Aryans" and I > recommend it > > > to my learned associates. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > B.P. Lama, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2001 Report Share Posted June 19, 2001 There is a web site www.atlan.org. The site is about Atlantis ... It is a very interesting site and provides a analytical view on Atlantis' existence and what might have happened to it. The point is .. the site tells that lot of knowledge from Atlantis might have gone to India (the web site explains all this in detail). And the myth on Atlantis is that it was much much advanced civilization. So, when all that knowldege came to India 1000s of years back .. it is no wonder that advanced sciences like Astrology and astronomy developed back then...and we are probably still trying to comprehend a very small portion of some of it. tik [tik] Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:50 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory Namasthe. The original point of this thread posted by a member was regarding western astrology vs. Vedic astrology - which came from which. Indological linguistic magic and word juglary aside, not even a tiny evidence for the so-called Aryan Invasion (of India) or Aryan Migration (into or out of India), or even the existance of a RACE or TRIBE called "Aryan" exists in ancient Indian texts (or in practice in India) - not in the Vedas, BhraahmaNas, AaraNyakas, Darshana texts, Vedanga texts, Shrauta and Gr`hya sutras, 18 major PuraaNas, RamayaNa, Mahaabhaarata Itihaasa texts, several upa-puraaNas, and multitudes of commentaries on many of them as well as commentaries on the commmentaries - written before the Europeans "discovered" India and Samskr`tam, and the barbaric "Aryans" whose priest "class" gave the most profund thoughts to humanity! All this is now known as pure Euro-centric colonial humbug. Remembering the ancestry stretching way back to thousands of years and geography features is a unique feature of Indian civilization through gotra-pravara, teertha yaatras and references to places even in the daily Sandhyaavandana (eg., Ganga-Yamunayormunibhyascha namah). None of this matches the Indological constructs. It is on this point, Witzel's labor stands out. He has struggled very hard to construct such proof - even revealing in the process that he does not know Samskr`ta grammar! Our Vaidika panditas in India's villages quietly laugh at this kind of psuedo-expertise. Even current Indological opinions are case studies of monumental blunders, perfectly in line with its 18th century colonial foundation. The single most contribution of such Indology to us in the West is a thorough muddying of India's true history and ennobling contributions so that we remain in our primitive war culture! As long as we look through the prism of Indology, anything of India will appear with bizarre colors that seems to have had originated from our western habitats. Narayan K.B.V. wrote: > > I am forwarding a word document containing the research paper publised by Dr. David Frawley, entitled "Myth of Aryan Invasion of India" which must be an interesting reading... > > Regards > Narayan > > > "Barbara Pijan Lama" <b_pijan > Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:56 -0700 > <vedic astrology> > [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory > > > Namaskar, > > > > A previous note giving the "skinny" on the Aryan Migrations (and the > > evolution of Vedic cultures) question is very simplistic. Those with an > > interest in the subject may enjoy knowing that the leading Out of India > > theory(ies) are discussed very cogently and comprehensively by Michael > > Witzel in a long but fascinating article currently posted at the Electronic > > Journal of Vedic Studies > > Michael Witzel is professor of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard > > University. You will find his contact information at the Journal website. > > I very much enjoyed his article on "Autochthonous Aryans" and I recommend it > > to my learned associates. > > > > Respectfully, > > B.P. Lama, Jyotish Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 It is claimed that a small tribe living in a remote place in Kashmir is true "blue blooded Aryan" tribe. I have read articles about this but have no first hand knowledge. Shailesh Chandra Chadha[ scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com ] - Moodley, Vissie vedic astrology Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:41 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory Namaste, Can anyone please confirm, Is there a pure ARYAN livingin India. (India has been conquered MANY time)RegardsVissie> ----------> tik (AT) ma (DOT) ultranet.com[sMTP:tik (AT) ma (DOT) ultranet.com]> Reply vedic astrology> 19 June 2001 03:50> vedic astrology> Re: [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory> > Namasthe.> > The original point of this thread posted by a member was > regarding western astrology vs. Vedic astrology - which came > from which. Indological linguistic magic and word juglary > aside, not even a tiny evidence for the so-called Aryan > Invasion (of India) or Aryan Migration (into or out of > India), or even the existance of a RACE or TRIBE called > "Aryan" exists in ancient Indian texts (or in practice in > India) - not in the Vedas, BhraahmaNas, AaraNyakas, Darshana > texts, Vedanga texts, Shrauta and Gr`hya sutras, 18 major > PuraaNas, RamayaNa, Mahaabhaarata Itihaasa texts, several > upa-puraaNas, and multitudes of commentaries on many of them > as well as commentaries on the commmentaries - written > before the Europeans "discovered" India and Samskr`tam, and > the barbaric "Aryans" whose priest "class" gave the most > profund thoughts to humanity! All this is now known as pure > Euro-centric colonial humbug.> > Remembering the ancestry stretching way back to thousands of > years and geography features is a unique feature of Indian > civilization through gotra-pravara, teertha yaatras and > references to places even in the daily Sandhyaavandana (eg., > Ganga-Yamunayormunibhyascha namah). None of this matches the > Indological constructs.> > It is on this point, Witzel's labor stands out. He has > struggled very hard to construct such proof - even revealing > in the process that he does not know Samskr`ta grammar! Our > Vaidika panditas in India's villages quietly laugh at this > kind of psuedo-expertise. Even current Indological opinions > are case studies of monumental blunders, perfectly in line > with its 18th century colonial foundation. The single most > contribution of such Indology to us in the West is a > thorough muddying of India's true history and ennobling > contributions so that we remain in our primitive war > culture!> > As long as we look through the prism of Indology, anything > of India will appear with bizarre colors that seems to have > had originated from our western habitats.> > Narayan K.B.V. wrote:> > > > I am forwarding a word document containing the research paper publised> by Dr. David Frawley, entitled "Myth of Aryan Invasion of India" which> must be an interesting reading...> > > > Regards> > Narayan> > > > > > "Barbara Pijan Lama" <b_pijan (AT) email (DOT) msn.com>> > Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:56 -0700> > <vedic astrology>> > [vedic astrology] Aryan Immigration Theory> > > > > Namaskar,> > >> > > A previous note giving the "skinny" on the Aryan Migrations (and the> > > evolution of Vedic cultures) question is very simplistic. Those with> an> > > interest in the subject may enjoy knowing that the leading Out of> India> > > theory(ies) are discussed very cogently and comprehensively by Michael> > > Witzel in a long but fascinating article currently posted at the> Electronic> > > Journal of Vedic Studies > > > > Michael Witzel is professor of Sanskrit & Indian Studies, Harvard> > > University. You will find his contact information at the Journal> website.> > > I very much enjoyed his article on "Autochthonous Aryans" and I> recommend it> > > to my learned associates.> > >> > > Respectfully,> > > B.P. Lama, Jyotish> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to > > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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