Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 >Hi, A strong Venus, or well placed Ketu associated with the 4H, >spiritual influences on the 8H and a strong Mercury for objectivity. >These are some general factors for the psychic abilities. Sally Hi Sally, Do you think that would be applicable to my chart? Venus, lord of the 4th, aspects from the 11th in it's own house. It has good shadbala strength. Jupiter aspects on the 4th and 8th houses, Ketu aspects on the lords of the 8H and Mercury is in its own house. Ketu is in trines with Venus. Your sishya, Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Hi, Without seeing your chart, the factors you mention sound very good. Sally "Dhira Krsna (das) BCS (Radhadesh - B)" wrote: > > >Hi, A strong Venus, or well placed Ketu associated with the 4H, > >spiritual influences on the 8H and a strong Mercury for objectivity. > >These are some general factors for the psychic abilities. Sally > > Hi Sally, > > Do you think that would be applicable to my chart? Venus, lord of the > 4th, > aspects from the 11th in it's own house. It has good shadbala > strength. > Jupiter aspects on the 4th and 8th houses, Ketu aspects on the lords > of the > 8H and Mercury is in its own house. Ketu is in trines with Venus. > > Your sishya, > Dhira Krsna dasa > > Sponsor > [Click for Details] > Click for Details > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dear Sally. Why Venus? Actually please give reasoning for the rest of your indications. Best wishes, Visti. - Devichandra <sara <vedic astrology> Friday, June 15, 2001 10:25 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Abilities for psychic powers > Hi, Without seeing your chart, the factors you mention sound very good. > Sally > > "Dhira Krsna (das) BCS (Radhadesh - B)" wrote: > > > > >Hi, A strong Venus, or well placed Ketu associated with the 4H, > > >spiritual influences on the 8H and a strong Mercury for objectivity. > > >These are some general factors for the psychic abilities. Sally > > > > Hi Sally, > > > > Do you think that would be applicable to my chart? Venus, lord of the > > 4th, > > aspects from the 11th in it's own house. It has good shadbala > > strength. > > Jupiter aspects on the 4th and 8th houses, Ketu aspects on the lords > > of the > > 8H and Mercury is in its own house. Ketu is in trines with Venus. > > > > Your sishya, > > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > Sponsor > > [Click for Details] > > Click for Details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Visti, Allow me a possible explanation... Technically, Venus is the planet of pleasures, music, art and luxuries, but a well placed Venus is very sensitive, empathetic and sympathetic. From the description of this chart it sounds like Venus also aspects the fifth house of intelligence and past life gifts (purva poona), so this Venus gives "gifts". I would also stress though that Jupiter's aspect on the eighth also contributes to this ability. By the way, I too like Santhanam's BPHS translation best. Gary Gomes - Visti Larsen <vlarsen <vedic astrology> Friday, June 15, 2001 1:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Abilities for psychic powers > Dear Sally. > Why Venus? > > Actually please give reasoning for the rest of your indications. > Best wishes, Visti. > > > - > Devichandra <sara > <vedic astrology> > Friday, June 15, 2001 10:25 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Abilities for psychic powers > > > > Hi, Without seeing your chart, the factors you mention sound very good. > > Sally > > > > "Dhira Krsna (das) BCS (Radhadesh - B)" wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, A strong Venus, or well placed Ketu associated with the 4H, > > > >spiritual influences on the 8H and a strong Mercury for objectivity. > > > >These are some general factors for the psychic abilities. Sally > > > > > > Hi Sally, > > > > > > Do you think that would be applicable to my chart? Venus, lord of the > > > 4th, > > > aspects from the 11th in it's own house. It has good shadbala > > > strength. > > > Jupiter aspects on the 4th and 8th houses, Ketu aspects on the lords > > > of the > > > 8H and Mercury is in its own house. Ketu is in trines with Venus. > > > > > > Your sishya, > > > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > > > Sponsor > > > [Click for Details] > > > Click for Details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Namaste Visti, I will try and answer this. Venus as well as Jupiter are Brahmins, he is Sukracharya, the guru of the demons. Venus is the cause of rebirth, and teaches the individual about the truths of material existence, while Jupiter teaches about the Atman. Venus gives knowledge about everything material, be they sciences, or other Vidyas. This is seen by the natural ownership of Venus being the 7th house of desire, and the 2nd artha trikona, showing Venus' desire for materialism. Meanwhile Jupiter owns the furthest dharma sign, and the most developed moksha sign, showing departure from the physical realm. When associated with Ketu, and Saturn, or afflicted by malefics in general, Venus gives spiritual knowledge, but in the form that has to do with the material existence. There are only a few references I have seen in this regard, the most notable being from Parasar and Jaimini. BPHS 33 25 Venus giving a aspect to Ketu in Karakamsh denotes one initiated into religions order. JS 1 33. When Ketu in the second from karakamsa lagna is aspected by Venus, the native is devoted to religious and spiritual activities. He is initiated into the spiritual mysteries. Saturn associated to this combination gives Tapaswi Yoga. Bhrigu Nandi Nadi also states that the conjunction of Venus and Ketu gives siddhi. Sarvath Chintamini 40 6. Venus is significator for: Knowledge of magic... yogic powers... Venus/Sukracharya uncovered the Mrityunjaya mantra, which is the most powerful for preventing people's deaths, and can even bring back the dead. In effect, Venus' power is so strong as to bring a soul back into the material body, after it has left this plane of existence. Contrast this to the action of a mantra like the Gayatri that removes the soul from material bondage, which is more Jupiter oriented. The abilities given through Venus are different than Jupiter's but have great power on the material world, and have more to do with Siddhis than Moksha. Many people develop psychic abilities through Venus giving control over material nature, some to a very great extent, where they claim to be able to change their form, or fly around, etc. But unfortunately these distract from the aim of moksha, and encourage enjoyment of the physical world. An interesting chart to see in this regard is Krishna's who had mastery of all of the yogic siddhis. He had Venus conjunct Rahu, Mars in the 3rd house and aspected by Saturn. I have seen the charts of some Tantrics with Tapaswi yoga, and one in particular with Venus- Rahu combination in the 3rd aspected by Saturn, just like Krishna. He has strong yogic attainments and psychic faculties. Warm regards, ALex J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah Ok! Thx Gary and Alex. My problem with assimilating this, was due to the "strong Venus" statement. I'm very attentive these days as a simple flue is bugging me. A few comments on Alex' email; Venus is not the cause of rebirth. Venus doesn't show our desires but our sexual passions. How we seek these passions is seen from the 7th from Venus. The 7th from Moon and Lagna shows desires, and is partly the cause of rebirth. Rahu is the cause of rebirth, due to Karma. Venus in a Dusthana and associated with malefics is a strong indicator of tantrism, see Sanjay Rath's D-60, and as you referred before; Krishna's Rasi. Venus and Ketu associated with Navamsa Lagna is a yoga for an ascetic. Same goes for Karakamsa, however there is an obvious difference between the two. When judging Venus and Ketu's effect in Swamsa; Jaimini states: 1.2.36. Saturn aspecting (the venus and ketu combination) produces a tapaswi, or a servant. Either way the person becomes very devoted to their lord. Your differentiation of Venus and Jupiter is Marvelous. Nevertheless the propper place to analyze these things, for Dhira Krsna, should be the trines to Navamsa lagna, as he's searching for abilities he hasn't yet found. It would make sense to time siddhi's from Drig Dasa's associated with the 10th house and Venus, along with Narayana Dasa's of Vimsamsa. Nakshetramsa would show the actual abilities much clearer. Dhira's chart: Date of Birth: May 23, 1968Time of Birth: 10:16:00 amTime Zone of Birth: 0:00 West of GMTLongitude of Birth: 3 E 36Latitude of Birth: 40 N 45 The Navamsa lagna is; 26:09. which is close to the border of 26:40. Hence the choice is between two Navamsa lagnas; Aqua and Pisces. +----------------------+| | | | Mar || Sun Asc(2)| | | || | GL | Jup | Glk || Moo Sat | | | || | | | BL ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | || | | || Asc(1) | | Ket || | | || | | ||-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|| | | || Ven | | || | | HL || Rah | | || | | ||-------------|---------------------------|-------------|| | | | || | | Mer | || | | | || | | Mnd | || | | | |+----------------------+ - Aqua - Aqua is aspected by Mercury and Ketu. This is a combination for one skilled in trades(mercury) and a seller of elephants(ketu). I've seen this combination produce someone who cheats in business, as ketu can also shows a thief or cheater. hence his morals should be observed; Mercury in 9th doesn't necessarily make him truthful as mercury is neither a benefic nor malefic. Jupiters aspect on Mercury gives him free but good morals. So a skilled seller of large, prestigous vehicles. The 5th from Aqua has Mars, making him a apt at mettalurgy. Do/did you own/work at a car factory Dhira? Jupiter in 4th produces a house made of Wood. - Pisces - Pisces is also the karakamsa, and both Maharishi Parasara and Maharishi Jaimini stated that this was a combination for final emancipation. The 12th from Karakamsa aspected by Ketu is an even stronger indicator, where Mercury+Ketu indicates that Maha Vishnu is the Ishta Devata. Navamsa Lagna here produces one born into a royal family, through ones parents(sun & moon here). Singing, dancing and playing music will be a big part of life as Sun and Moon are both here. You may have a very nice voice, and good at playing music. Saturn makes one apt at any profession, however can make one nervous in a crowd. Sun helps in this regard. Jupiter in 3rd gives ability to read ancient texts. Mars in 4th gives knowledge of fighting and living in a brick house. As the combination in lagna aspects Mars the house could be very large. Sun and Ketu in trines to Navamsa lagna and Karakamsa shows some inborn "white magic" abilities, that would produce prominence in Mantra and understanding the same, very well. - Conclussion - Both Navamsa lagnas can be changed without affecting the fact that your Vimsamsa(D-20) lagna shoud be Virgo. If Nav lagna is Pisces you no doubt allready have some psychic abilities, that saturn may keep you from being completely aware of, and may show up from time to time. Aqua lagna doesn't seem very indicative of a spiritual person. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Hare Rama Krsna. Dear Alex, Thank you very much for your elaborate explanation. Indeed, I'm a devotee of Krsna and doing meditation on the Hare Krsna maha-mantra for at least 2 hours a day. The first 2 mantras you gave I knew already, being a brahmin engaged in deity worship, and I am already chanting these ones. I only didn't know these can be used for developing divine seeing power. Of course, the mantras themselves declare it. My intention was never to engage myself in channeling spirits of the dead, I got interested in the subject by hearing from a couple of channelers who are in contact with extra-terrestrial beings like Ashtar and Sananda/Jesus Christ. I got the date of Jesus' birth through them. So my intention is to develop my divine eyes to come in contact with them and other divine angelic beings. They are familiar with the works of Edgar Cayce. If you want to find out more, please check my webpage: http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html As for your analysis of my chart, I appreciate it very much. I only get some other dashas because of using Raman's ayanamsa, but your comments seem to be very correct. As promised, I will give here the charts of the 2 channelers I'm in contact with. They are both ladies and remarkable is that Ketu is in 8th house for both. This is a full trance medium: Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Ekadasi Tithi balance: 0.2042 Nakshatra balance: 0.7863 Sun-Moon Yoga: Soubhagya Sun-Moon Karana: Vishti Vara (weekday): Wednesday Sunrise = 6:46 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) Ayanamsa = 21-49-9 Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days Planet Position Pada CharaK Ascdt 24 Vi 52 Chitra 1 - Sun 19 Le 57 Poo.Pha. 2 MK Moon 29 Sg 30 U.Shaa. 1 AK Mars 25 Le 35 Poo.Pha. 4 BK Mercury ® 0 Vi 00 U.Pha. 2 DK Jupiter 13 Vi 42 Hastha 2 PK Venus 26 Vi 45 Chitra 2 AmK Saturn 16 Sc 18 Anuradha 4 PiK Rahu 21 Li 49 Visakha 1 GK Ketu 21 Ar 49 Bharani 3 - BhavaLg 3 Li 32 Chitra 4 - HoraLg 17 Sc 13 Jyeshtha 1 - GhatiLg 28 Pi 17 Revathi 4 - Dhooma 3 Cp 17 U.Shaa. 2 - Vyati 26 Ge 42 Punarvasu 3 - Pari 26 Sg 42 U.Shaa. 1 - I.Chapa 3 Cn 17 Punarvasu 4 - Upaketu 19 Cn 57 Aasresha 1 - Kaala 7 Sc 23 Anuradha 2 - Mrityu 19 Sg 40 Poo.Shaa. 2 - ArthaPr 16 Cp 42 Sravanam 3 - YamaGha 19 Le 01 Poo.Pha. 2 - Mandi 8 Li 15 Swathi 1 - Gulika 28 Vi 28 Chitra 2 - +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | GL | Ket | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | | | Sun | | | | | | | | Mar | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | BL | MerR Jup | | | Sat | | | | Moo | | Mnd | Asc | | | HL | | | | | | Rah | Ven Glk | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | GL | Rah | Jup | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | | | | | | | MerR | | Asc | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | Mnd | Mar | | Sun | | | | | | | HL | BL | Ket | Ven | | | | | | | Moo | Sat | | Glk | +----------------------+ And this is a channel: Lunar month (maasa): Phalguna Lunar day (tithi): Sukla Sapthami Tithi balance: 0.3710 Nakshatra balance: 0.5183 Sun-Moon Yoga: Vishkambha Sun-Moon Karana: Vanija Vara (weekday): Saturday Sunrise = 6:25 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) Ayanamsa = 21-39-3 Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days Planet Position Pada CharaK Ascdt 6 Ta 28 Krittika 3 - Sun 26 Aq 52 Poo.Bhaa. 3 AK Moon 16 Ta 25 Rohini 2 PiK Mars 23 Ge 53 Punarvasu 2 MK Mercury 15 Pi 03 U.Bhaa. 4 PK Jupiter ® 4 Li 38 Chitra 4 DK Venus 5 Pi 40 U.Bhaa. 1 GK Saturn ® 26 Ge 24 Punarvasu 2 AmK Rahu 4 Ge 14 Mrigasira 4 BK Ketu 4 Sg 14 Moola 2 - BhavaLg 18 Ar 00 Bharani 2 - HoraLg 9 Ge 17 Aardra 1 - GhatiLg 13 Sc 08 Anuradha 3 - Dhooma 10 Cn 12 Pushyami 3 - Vyati 19 Sg 47 Poo.Shaa. 2 - Pari 19 Ge 47 Aardra 4 - I.Chapa 10 Cp 12 Sravanam 1 - Upaketu 26 Cp 52 Dhanishtha 2 - Kaala 2 Cn 18 Punarvasu 4 - Mrityu 9 Le 16 Makha 3 - ArthaPr 25 Aq 55 Poo.Bhaa. 2 - YamaGha 28 Pi 28 Revathi 4 - Mandi 3 Ge 06 Mrigasira 3 - Gulika 22 Ta 19 Rohini 4 - +----------------------+ | | | Asc | Mnd Rah | | Ven | | | | | | BL | Moo | HL | | Mer | | | | | | | Glk | Mar SatR | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | Sun | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | Ket | GL | JupR | | | | | | | | | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | Moo Mar | | | | | | Sun | | | | SatR Ket | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | Asc | | Glk | | | | | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | Ven | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | Rah | | | | | | Mnd | | | HL | JupR | | BL | | | | GL | | | | Mer | | | +----------------------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Namaste, Thanks for your kind words and for the charts, they are invaluable, I would appreciate it if anyone else could provide more of these. The first thing that is noticeable about the two charts is the 12th house from Karakamsa. In both charts, there is a malefic Mars and Saturn conjunction. According to both Parasar and Jaimini this gives worship of malign spirits, which is not recommended by either. I would question whether they would actually be channelling Jesus Christ, as benefics such as Jupiter and Moon should be the planets here to indicate the compassionate avatar of Jesus. Jaimini Sutram 1 80. "If the twelfth from the Karakamsa is owned by a malefic and if Saturn is there, one is devoted to evil spirits." You can see from the stanza, that this applies to both charts fully. JS 1 81. "If Venus is in such a malefic-owned twelfth house, one is devoted to evil spirits." In the second chart the 12th from Karakamsa is a sign of Venus with 3 evil planets, including a debilitated Ketu. This house is the house of moksha and the afterlife, and with dire malefics here, the indication is clear. You can also see in both charts that this malefic combination recurs from the ascendant in the rasi chart - in both charts! Mars and Saturn again conjoin or aspect the 12th house or lord. Compound this with the full aspect of these planets in both charts on the 12th from Navamsa lagna and you will find yourself with a situation where all indications about moksha and a peaceful afterlife have been destroyed completely. How would this be possible if they were actually in contact with Jesus, who is very close to the godhead? I would recommend keeping away from association with these people, for the reasons I mentioned when I first analyzed your chart. The negative vibrations from them will cling to you due to the principle of Satsang, and in this way there will be danger to you through spirits. Other features about their charts. The 5th house of mantra/spiritual technique in the first chart is owned by dead soul indicator Saturn placed in the 8th occult sign of Scorpio, the dispositor of which goes into the 12th house and 8th house occult houses, showing the worship of evil spirits. The second chart has a debilitated 5th lord under the aspect of every malefic planet and Venus (JS 1 81), also pointing to the worship of evil spirits. These people may believe they are contacting Jesus and others through their efforts, but the only way to really do so is to follow in the footsteps of saints like Ramakrishna, and perform the necessary discipline, meditation and mantras, and you will eventually gain these abilities. Regarding development of your abilities through mantras, you should read over your texts carefully, and try to understand the implication of each one. It can be very revealing. There are books on Ganehsa puja that you should also read, as you can have success in attracting this type of energy. There are mantras of his that also give various siddhis. Best Wishes, Alex J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Dear Gomes, Namaste. Yes there is slight a misinterpretation here. I've adressed this point in an email that seems to be delayed. Please wait for it before conversing further on this. Venus helps create a tantric, but isn't related to any addictions. Rahu is the cause of addiction and the reason we are reborn.. Wait for my email. Best wishes, Visti. vedic astrology, "Crystal Expectations" <crystalx@i...> wrote: > Namaste Alex, > > If Venus is responsible for addiction to materialism, then why should an > aspect of Venus onto Ketu cause initiation into spiritual orders? > > This is the primary problem I have had with most of the more literal > interpretations of Parasara. Also, I have never seen a quotation in BPHS or > Jaimini Sutram (unless it is Sanjay's) in which Venus in the twelfth causes > worhip of evil spirits. This is nonsense. Saturn and Mars, yes as they are > natural malefics; but Venus is a natural benefic and favored by Shiva. > > Respectfully, this is not good astrology, because it is based on a very > biased interpretation of these texts. > > Sorry for any disharmony I may cause. > > Namaste, > > Gary Gomes > - > Alex J <lostinmotion@h...> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:16 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Abilities for psychic powers > > > > Namaste Visti, > > > > I will try and answer this. Venus as well as Jupiter are Brahmins, he > > is Sukracharya, the guru of the demons. Venus is the cause of > > rebirth, and teaches the individual about the truths of material > > existence, while Jupiter teaches about the Atman. Venus gives > > knowledge about everything material, be they sciences, or other > > Vidyas. > > > > This is seen by the natural ownership of Venus being the 7th house of > > desire, and the 2nd artha trikona, showing Venus' desire for > > materialism. Meanwhile Jupiter owns the furthest dharma sign, and the > > most developed moksha sign, showing departure from the physical > > realm. > > > > When associated with Ketu, and Saturn, or afflicted by malefics in > > general, Venus gives spiritual knowledge, but in the form that has to > > do with the material existence. > > > > There are only a few references I have seen in this regard, the most > > notable being from Parasar and Jaimini. > > > > BPHS 33 25 Venus giving a aspect to Ketu in Karakamsh denotes one > > initiated into religions order. > > > > JS 1 33. When Ketu in the second from karakamsa lagna is aspected by > > Venus, the native is devoted to religious and spiritual activities. > > He is initiated into the spiritual mysteries. > > Saturn associated to this combination gives Tapaswi Yoga. > > > > Bhrigu Nandi Nadi also states that the conjunction of Venus and Ketu > > gives siddhi. > > > > Sarvath Chintamini 40 6. Venus is significator for: Knowledge of > > magic... yogic powers... > > > > Venus/Sukracharya uncovered the Mrityunjaya mantra, which is the most > > powerful for preventing people's deaths, and can even bring back the > > dead. In effect, Venus' power is so strong as to bring a soul back > > into the material body, after it has left this plane of existence. > > > > Contrast this to the action of a mantra like the Gayatri that removes > > the soul from material bondage, which is more Jupiter oriented. > > > > The abilities given through Venus are different than Jupiter's but > > have great power on the material world, and have more to do with > > Siddhis than Moksha. Many people develop psychic abilities through > > Venus giving control over material nature, some to a very great > > extent, where they claim to be able to change their form, or fly > > around, etc. But unfortunately these distract from the aim of moksha, > > and encourage enjoyment of the physical world. > > > > An interesting chart to see in this regard is Krishna's who had > > mastery of all of the yogic siddhis. He had Venus conjunct Rahu, Mars > > in the 3rd house and aspected by Saturn. I have seen the charts of > > some Tantrics with Tapaswi yoga, and one in particular with Venus- > > Rahu combination in the 3rd aspected by Saturn, just like Krishna. He > > has strong yogic attainments and psychic faculties. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > ALex J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Namaste Alex, If Venus is responsible for addiction to materialism, then why should an aspect of Venus onto Ketu cause initiation into spiritual orders? This is the primary problem I have had with most of the more literal interpretations of Parasara. Also, I have never seen a quotation in BPHS or Jaimini Sutram (unless it is Sanjay's) in which Venus in the twelfth causes worhip of evil spirits. This is nonsense. Saturn and Mars, yes as they are natural malefics; but Venus is a natural benefic and favored by Shiva. Respectfully, this is not good astrology, because it is based on a very biased interpretation of these texts. Sorry for any disharmony I may cause. Namaste, Gary Gomes - Alex J <lostinmotion <vedic astrology> Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:16 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Abilities for psychic powers > Namaste Visti, > > I will try and answer this. Venus as well as Jupiter are Brahmins, he > is Sukracharya, the guru of the demons. Venus is the cause of > rebirth, and teaches the individual about the truths of material > existence, while Jupiter teaches about the Atman. Venus gives > knowledge about everything material, be they sciences, or other > Vidyas. > > This is seen by the natural ownership of Venus being the 7th house of > desire, and the 2nd artha trikona, showing Venus' desire for > materialism. Meanwhile Jupiter owns the furthest dharma sign, and the > most developed moksha sign, showing departure from the physical > realm. > > When associated with Ketu, and Saturn, or afflicted by malefics in > general, Venus gives spiritual knowledge, but in the form that has to > do with the material existence. > > There are only a few references I have seen in this regard, the most > notable being from Parasar and Jaimini. > > BPHS 33 25 Venus giving a aspect to Ketu in Karakamsh denotes one > initiated into religions order. > > JS 1 33. When Ketu in the second from karakamsa lagna is aspected by > Venus, the native is devoted to religious and spiritual activities. > He is initiated into the spiritual mysteries. > Saturn associated to this combination gives Tapaswi Yoga. > > Bhrigu Nandi Nadi also states that the conjunction of Venus and Ketu > gives siddhi. > > Sarvath Chintamini 40 6. Venus is significator for: Knowledge of > magic... yogic powers... > > Venus/Sukracharya uncovered the Mrityunjaya mantra, which is the most > powerful for preventing people's deaths, and can even bring back the > dead. In effect, Venus' power is so strong as to bring a soul back > into the material body, after it has left this plane of existence. > > Contrast this to the action of a mantra like the Gayatri that removes > the soul from material bondage, which is more Jupiter oriented. > > The abilities given through Venus are different than Jupiter's but > have great power on the material world, and have more to do with > Siddhis than Moksha. Many people develop psychic abilities through > Venus giving control over material nature, some to a very great > extent, where they claim to be able to change their form, or fly > around, etc. But unfortunately these distract from the aim of moksha, > and encourage enjoyment of the physical world. > > An interesting chart to see in this regard is Krishna's who had > mastery of all of the yogic siddhis. He had Venus conjunct Rahu, Mars > in the 3rd house and aspected by Saturn. I have seen the charts of > some Tantrics with Tapaswi yoga, and one in particular with Venus- > Rahu combination in the 3rd aspected by Saturn, just like Krishna. He > has strong yogic attainments and psychic faculties. > > Warm regards, > > ALex J > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Dear Alex, What is the impact of Venus association with rahu in 8 th house regards, V vedic astrology, "Alex J" <lostinmotion@h...> wrote: > Namaste Visti, > > I will try and answer this. Venus as well as Jupiter are Brahmins, he > is Sukracharya, the guru of the demons. Venus is the cause of > rebirth, and teaches the individual about the truths of material > existence, while Jupiter teaches about the Atman. Venus gives > knowledge about everything material, be they sciences, or other > Vidyas. > > This is seen by the natural ownership of Venus being the 7th house of > desire, and the 2nd artha trikona, showing Venus' desire for > materialism. Meanwhile Jupiter owns the furthest dharma sign, and the > most developed moksha sign, showing departure from the physical > realm. > > When associated with Ketu, and Saturn, or afflicted by malefics in > general, Venus gives spiritual knowledge, but in the form that has to > do with the material existence. > > There are only a few references I have seen in this regard, the most > notable being from Parasar and Jaimini. > > BPHS 33 25 Venus giving a aspect to Ketu in Karakamsh denotes one > initiated into religions order. > > JS 1 33. When Ketu in the second from karakamsa lagna is aspected by > Venus, the native is devoted to religious and spiritual activities. > He is initiated into the spiritual mysteries. > Saturn associated to this combination gives Tapaswi Yoga. > > Bhrigu Nandi Nadi also states that the conjunction of Venus and Ketu > gives siddhi. > > Sarvath Chintamini 40 6. Venus is significator for: Knowledge of > magic... yogic powers... > > Venus/Sukracharya uncovered the Mrityunjaya mantra, which is the most > powerful for preventing people's deaths, and can even bring back the > dead. In effect, Venus' power is so strong as to bring a soul back > into the material body, after it has left this plane of existence. > > Contrast this to the action of a mantra like the Gayatri that removes > the soul from material bondage, which is more Jupiter oriented. > > The abilities given through Venus are different than Jupiter's but > have great power on the material world, and have more to do with > Siddhis than Moksha. Many people develop psychic abilities through > Venus giving control over material nature, some to a very great > extent, where they claim to be able to change their form, or fly > around, etc. But unfortunately these distract from the aim of moksha, > and encourage enjoyment of the physical world. > > An interesting chart to see in this regard is Krishna's who had > mastery of all of the yogic siddhis. He had Venus conjunct Rahu, Mars > in the 3rd house and aspected by Saturn. I have seen the charts of > some Tantrics with Tapaswi yoga, and one in particular with Venus- > Rahu combination in the 3rd aspected by Saturn, just like Krishna. He > has strong yogic attainments and psychic faculties. > > Warm regards, > > ALex J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Namaste Gary, Do not worry about causing disharmony, there has been none caused at all. Regarding the interpretation of the texts, Santhanam's translation as well as GC Sharma's of BPHS both site Venus being placed in the 12th from Karakamsa in a malefic sign as causing worship of evil spirits. As well, Jaimini Sutram translated by Sastri and Rath have a similar reading. I do not think that they are all wrong in the interpretation. Jaimini Sutram 1 81 "Sukre Cha" This means "also Sukra." This is in reference to the verse before which says that worship of evil spirits is caused by Saturn in a malefic owned house. So "Sukre Cha" can be interpreted as "Venus in a malefic owned 12th from Karakamsa also causes worship of evil spirits" The original sloka from BPHS also directly mentions Sukra. It is a literal translation to day Venus, but is in the spirit of the past 10 statements regarding the planets in the 12th from Karakamsa. In each of these each planet is mentioned and the effect. The important thing to note, is that Venus is placed here under affliction, not dignified. That is made clear in both BPHS and JS. Venus placed beneficially gives worship of Lakshmi. Warm regards Alex J vedic astrology, "Crystal Expectations" <crystalx@i...> wrote: > Namaste Alex, > > If Venus is responsible for addiction to materialism, then why should an > aspect of Venus onto Ketu cause initiation into spiritual orders? > > This is the primary problem I have had with most of the more literal > interpretations of Parasara. Also, I have never seen a quotation in BPHS or > Jaimini Sutram (unless it is Sanjay's) in which Venus in the twelfth causes > worhip of evil spirits. This is nonsense. Saturn and Mars, yes as they are > natural malefics; but Venus is a natural benefic and favored by Shiva. > > Respectfully, this is not good astrology, because it is based on a very > biased interpretation of these texts. > > Sorry for any disharmony I may cause. > > Namaste, > > Gary Gomes > - > Alex J <lostinmotion@h...> > <vedic astrology> > Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:16 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Abilities for psychic powers > > > > Namaste Visti, > > > > I will try and answer this. Venus as well as Jupiter are Brahmins, he > > is Sukracharya, the guru of the demons. Venus is the cause of > > rebirth, and teaches the individual about the truths of material > > existence, while Jupiter teaches about the Atman. Venus gives > > knowledge about everything material, be they sciences, or other > > Vidyas. > > > > This is seen by the natural ownership of Venus being the 7th house of > > desire, and the 2nd artha trikona, showing Venus' desire for > > materialism. Meanwhile Jupiter owns the furthest dharma sign, and the > > most developed moksha sign, showing departure from the physical > > realm. > > > > When associated with Ketu, and Saturn, or afflicted by malefics in > > general, Venus gives spiritual knowledge, but in the form that has to > > do with the material existence. > > > > There are only a few references I have seen in this regard, the most > > notable being from Parasar and Jaimini. > > > > BPHS 33 25 Venus giving a aspect to Ketu in Karakamsh denotes one > > initiated into religions order. > > > > JS 1 33. When Ketu in the second from karakamsa lagna is aspected by > > Venus, the native is devoted to religious and spiritual activities. > > He is initiated into the spiritual mysteries. > > Saturn associated to this combination gives Tapaswi Yoga. > > > > Bhrigu Nandi Nadi also states that the conjunction of Venus and Ketu > > gives siddhi. > > > > Sarvath Chintamini 40 6. Venus is significator for: Knowledge of > > magic... yogic powers... > > > > Venus/Sukracharya uncovered the Mrityunjaya mantra, which is the most > > powerful for preventing people's deaths, and can even bring back the > > dead. In effect, Venus' power is so strong as to bring a soul back > > into the material body, after it has left this plane of existence. > > > > Contrast this to the action of a mantra like the Gayatri that removes > > the soul from material bondage, which is more Jupiter oriented. > > > > The abilities given through Venus are different than Jupiter's but > > have great power on the material world, and have more to do with > > Siddhis than Moksha. Many people develop psychic abilities through > > Venus giving control over material nature, some to a very great > > extent, where they claim to be able to change their form, or fly > > around, etc. But unfortunately these distract from the aim of moksha, > > and encourage enjoyment of the physical world. > > > > An interesting chart to see in this regard is Krishna's who had > > mastery of all of the yogic siddhis. He had Venus conjunct Rahu, Mars > > in the 3rd house and aspected by Saturn. I have seen the charts of > > some Tantrics with Tapaswi yoga, and one in particular with Venus- > > Rahu combination in the 3rd aspected by Saturn, just like Krishna. He > > has strong yogic attainments and psychic faculties. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > ALex J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2001 Report Share Posted June 16, 2001 Visti, Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it and agree with it! Gary - Visti Larsen <vlarsen <vedic astrology> Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:49 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Abilities for psychic powers > Dear Gomes, Namaste. > > Yes there is slight a misinterpretation here. > I've adressed this point in an email that seems to be delayed. > Please wait for it before conversing further on this. > > Venus helps create a tantric, but isn't related to any addictions. > Rahu is the cause of addiction and the reason we are reborn.. Wait > for my email. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > vedic astrology, "Crystal Expectations" <crystalx@i...> > wrote: > > Namaste Alex, > > > > If Venus is responsible for addiction to materialism, then why > should an > > aspect of Venus onto Ketu cause initiation into spiritual orders? > > > > This is the primary problem I have had with most of the more literal > > interpretations of Parasara. Also, I have never seen a quotation in > BPHS or > > Jaimini Sutram (unless it is Sanjay's) in which Venus in the > twelfth causes > > worhip of evil spirits. This is nonsense. Saturn and Mars, yes as > they are > > natural malefics; but Venus is a natural benefic and favored by > Shiva. > > > > Respectfully, this is not good astrology, because it is based on a > very > > biased interpretation of these texts. > > > > Sorry for any disharmony I may cause. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Gary Gomes > > - > > Alex J <lostinmotion@h...> > > <vedic astrology> > > Saturday, June 16, 2001 1:16 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Abilities for psychic powers > > > > > > > Namaste Visti, > > > > > > I will try and answer this. Venus as well as Jupiter are > Brahmins, he > > > is Sukracharya, the guru of the demons. Venus is the cause of > > > rebirth, and teaches the individual about the truths of material > > > existence, while Jupiter teaches about the Atman. Venus gives > > > knowledge about everything material, be they sciences, or other > > > Vidyas. > > > > > > This is seen by the natural ownership of Venus being the 7th > house of > > > desire, and the 2nd artha trikona, showing Venus' desire for > > > materialism. Meanwhile Jupiter owns the furthest dharma sign, and > the > > > most developed moksha sign, showing departure from the physical > > > realm. > > > > > > When associated with Ketu, and Saturn, or afflicted by malefics in > > > general, Venus gives spiritual knowledge, but in the form that > has to > > > do with the material existence. > > > > > > There are only a few references I have seen in this regard, the > most > > > notable being from Parasar and Jaimini. > > > > > > BPHS 33 25 Venus giving a aspect to Ketu in Karakamsh denotes one > > > initiated into religions order. > > > > > > JS 1 33. When Ketu in the second from karakamsa lagna is aspected > by > > > Venus, the native is devoted to religious and spiritual > activities. > > > He is initiated into the spiritual mysteries. > > > Saturn associated to this combination gives Tapaswi Yoga. > > > > > > Bhrigu Nandi Nadi also states that the conjunction of Venus and > Ketu > > > gives siddhi. > > > > > > Sarvath Chintamini 40 6. Venus is significator for: Knowledge of > > > magic... yogic powers... > > > > > > Venus/Sukracharya uncovered the Mrityunjaya mantra, which is the > most > > > powerful for preventing people's deaths, and can even bring back > the > > > dead. In effect, Venus' power is so strong as to bring a soul back > > > into the material body, after it has left this plane of existence. > > > > > > Contrast this to the action of a mantra like the Gayatri that > removes > > > the soul from material bondage, which is more Jupiter oriented. > > > > > > The abilities given through Venus are different than Jupiter's but > > > have great power on the material world, and have more to do with > > > Siddhis than Moksha. Many people develop psychic abilities through > > > Venus giving control over material nature, some to a very great > > > extent, where they claim to be able to change their form, or fly > > > around, etc. But unfortunately these distract from the aim of > moksha, > > > and encourage enjoyment of the physical world. > > > > > > An interesting chart to see in this regard is Krishna's who had > > > mastery of all of the yogic siddhis. He had Venus conjunct Rahu, > Mars > > > in the 3rd house and aspected by Saturn. I have seen the charts of > > > some Tantrics with Tapaswi yoga, and one in particular with Venus- > > > Rahu combination in the 3rd aspected by Saturn, just like > Krishna. He > > > has strong yogic attainments and psychic faculties. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > ALex J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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