Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Dear Jyotishis, Although I have some background of Jyotish, I am new to certain concepts and need to clarify some points. 1- When you look at the aspects on a chart and particularly on houses or arudhas related to some subject in the life of a native, when do you look at typical planetary (parasara's) aspects and when do you use the typical sign (Jaimini's) aspects? 2- Regarding arudhas. Suppose that I want to look at somebody's learning and intelligence. I will then look at the 5th house for the true knowledge and at A5 for its expression in the world. I would check it the D-24 as well. But then what difference is there between A5 and fifth from A1 (AL)? With respects, Franck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Hello Franck. <<1- When you look at the aspects on a chart and particularly on houses or arudhas related to some subject in the life of a native, when do you look at typical planetary (parasara's) aspects and when do you use the typical sign (Jaimini's) aspects?>> Have you read Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra? The Rasi Dristi is given many chapters before Graha Dristi. I get pretty agitated when someone says that Planetary aspects are Parasara's and Sign' are Jaiminis.. The only reason this assumption has crept in is because traditional Jyotishis only use Planetary aspects, and yet call is Parasari Jyotish, however its more akin to Varahamihira. + Rasi Dristi + Picture that your sitting in your living room, and looking out the windows. You can see your neighboor mowing the lawn and the other sitting in his chair enjoying a drink(i also added Avasthas). What you see is restricted, to what is visible through these windows. Hence circumstances are real. + Graha Dristi + Graha Dristi is based on the desire of the Graha. A Graha may have a desire to see whats through the wall, but in truth it cannot see this. Maybe one of your neighboors has a wall blocking his vision to see you, but yet he's curious as to what your doing.. hence Graha dristi shows desire, which may or may not be fulfilled. Both should be taken into considerations. An employer may want to fire you, but can't/won't. Hence its restricted to desire. Rasi Dristi is the most important regarding health considerations. <<2- Regarding arudhas. Suppose that I want to look at somebody's learning and intelligence. I will then look at the 5th house for the true knowledge and at A5 for its expression in the world. I would check it the D-24 as well.But then what difference is there between A5 and fifth from A1 (AL)?>> This has been answered in the past discussions. The Lagnapada shows the manifestation of ones self, i.e. the perception. If the 5th from Lagnapada is very beneficial, oneself may be percieved as one who has accomplished much, or a fortunate person. This may not be true thou. The actual accomplishments(medals, diplomas) are seen from A5. Again the 3rd from Lagnapada shows how one goes about to complete actions/contracts. But the actions/contracts/letters/documented agreements/books are seen from A3. Now all you have todo is find the relevant Varga, which shows the activity. Igor also asked how to understand the houses in relation to the Vargas; The Dasamsa shows activities related to Work and carreer. The 4th house in Dasamsa shows the building/home of ones carreer. I.e. your office. The place one endures in Intellectual activities is seen from the 4th house in Chathurthamsa. Again all of this has been covered about 6 months back if not a year back. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Namaste Franck, > Although I have some background of Jyotish, I am new to certain > concepts and need to clarify some points. You asked very good questions. > 1- When you look at the aspects on a chart and particularly on houses > or arudhas related to some subject in the life of a native, when do > you look at typical planetary (parasara's) aspects and when do you > use the typical sign (Jaimini's) aspects? The "planetary aspects" taught by Parasara and the "sign aspects" of planets taught by Parasara and Jaimini have specific purposes and meanings. I request you to read the chapter on "Aspects and Argalas" in my book. You'll get an idea, but it may still not be clear like water. After giving people to read my book, I will try to expand on what I wrote in my book! But, you asked a very important question and I'll definitely answer it in future. > 2- Regarding arudhas. Suppose that I want to look at somebody's > learning and intelligence. I will then look at the 5th house for the > true knowledge and at A5 for its expression in the world. I would > check it the D-24 as well. > > But then what difference is there between A5 and fifth from A1 (AL)? Excellent! All arudhas show things that EXIST in the material world and things that CAN BE SEEN by people. But houses do not show things that exist materially. The same holds for houses from AL!! They are, after all, houses. Let me elaborate. The 5th house from any reference shows the abilities and potential related to that reference (and related to the area of life indicated by the divisional chart being looked at). These are things that are internal to that reference. The 5th hosue from lagna shows the abilities and potential of true self (lagna). Now, what does arudha lagna (AL) show? It shows the material manifestation of self. It shows the image of the person that exists in the material world. Houses from AL qualify that image. The 5th house from AL shows the abilities and potential of the image of a person. In other words, they show the *perceived* abilities and potential. A5 on the other hand shows some material things that govern the perceptions. Let me make it clearer with an example. Let us say a person wins an award. But people may somehow think that he is not good enough and does not deserve it. In that case, A5 shows the award (material manifestation of abilities) and may be strong. If the 5th from AL is weak, perceived abilities are poor. People think the person is not intelligent. SUMMARY: The influences on the 5th from lagna show if the person is intelligent and capable. The influences on the 5th from arudha lagna show if the person is perceived by the world to be intelligent. The influences on A5 show if the person materially achieves things that are supposed to come from intelligence (e.g. awards, prizes, special recognition etc). The influences of planetary arudhas (instead of planets) on the 5th from lagna show what the person himself thinks of his intelligence. These 4 things are totally different from each other. In real life also, you'll see that these 4 things are often different from each other. How intelligent a person is, how intelligent the world considers him, what kind of achievements he has and how intelligent he considers himself can all be different. But each has an importance of its own. I tried to shed some light on this in my book "Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach". As this is a very important concept, I will continue to throw more and more light on this from time to time. Feel free to ask if you are still not clear. Some people in the last few centuries forgot a lot of teachings of Parasara and branded those key concepts as "Jaimini astrology" and called a simplistic subset of Parasara's teachings as "Parasari astrology". In my book, I attempted to correct the misconceptions. Some people think that too many concepts means too much confusion. But they will be pleasantly surprised to find that getting all the building blocks of Jyotish as taught by both Parasara and Jaimini straight will result in a lot of clarity! > With respects, > > Franck May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Om Gurave Namaha Namaste Narasimha, If I am not mistaken we can divide these 4 into 2 types: 1. Internal. 2. External. 1. Internal Nth house from Lagna. Arudha of Nth lord from Lagna. Example: As given in your post, 5H from Lagna reveals true intelligence. hence it qualifies as Internal. Arudha of lord of 5H from Lagna shows how the native himself percieve his intelligence. 2. External A(N). Nth house from AL. Example: A5 represent what manifest materially in this world. Like Releasing a book based on one's authority. or A3 releasing a book based on one's communication skills. The 5H from AL the worlds perception of our intelligence, authority or potential. This may be gained from A(N). Like people can base their impression of our potential based on the sales of our book etc. Your Sisya, Narayan vedic astrology, Narasimha Rao <pvr@m...> wrote: > Namaste Franck, > > > Although I have some background of Jyotish, I am new to certain > > concepts and need to clarify some points. > > You asked very good questions. > > > 1- When you look at the aspects on a chart and particularly on > houses > > or arudhas related to some subject in the life of a native, when do > > you look at typical planetary (parasara's) aspects and when do you > > use the typical sign (Jaimini's) aspects? > > The "planetary aspects" taught by Parasara and the "sign aspects" of > planets taught by Parasara and Jaimini have specific purposes and > meanings. I request you to read the chapter on "Aspects and Argalas" > in my book. You'll get an idea, but it may still not be clear like > water. After giving people to read my book, I will try to expand on > what I wrote in my book! > > But, you asked a very important question and I'll definitely answer it > in future. > > > 2- Regarding arudhas. Suppose that I want to look at somebody's > > learning and intelligence. I will then look at the 5th house for the > > > true knowledge and at A5 for its expression in the world. I would > > check it the D-24 as well. > > > > But then what difference is there between A5 and fifth from A1 (AL)? > > Excellent! All arudhas show things that EXIST in the material world > and things that CAN BE SEEN by people. But houses do not show things > that exist materially. The same holds for houses from AL!! They are, > after all, houses. Let me elaborate. > > The 5th house from any reference shows the abilities and potential > related to that reference (and related to the area of life indicated > by the divisional chart being looked at). These are things that are > internal to that reference. The 5th hosue from lagna shows the > abilities and potential of true self (lagna). > > Now, what does arudha lagna (AL) show? It shows the material > manifestation of self. It shows the image of the person that exists in > the material world. Houses from AL qualify that image. The 5th house > from AL shows the abilities and potential of the image of a person. In > other words, they show the *perceived* abilities and potential. A5 on > the other hand shows some material things that govern the perceptions. > Let me make it clearer with an example. > > Let us say a person wins an award. But people may somehow think that > he is not good enough and does not deserve it. In that case, A5 shows > the award (material manifestation of abilities) and may be strong. If > the 5th from AL is weak, perceived abilities are poor. People think > the person is not intelligent. > > SUMMARY: The influences on the 5th from lagna show if the person is > intelligent and capable. The influences on the 5th from arudha lagna > show if the person is perceived by the world to be intelligent. The > influences on A5 show if the person materially achieves things that > are supposed to come from intelligence (e.g. awards, prizes, special > recognition etc). The influences of planetary arudhas (instead of > planets) on the 5th from lagna show what the person himself thinks of > his intelligence. > > These 4 things are totally different from each other. In real life > also, you'll see that these 4 things are often different from each > other. How intelligent a person is, how intelligent the world > considers him, what kind of achievements he has and how intelligent he > considers himself can all be different. But each has an importance of > its own. I tried to shed some light on this in my book "Vedic > Astrology: An Integrated Approach". As this is a very important > concept, I will continue to throw more and more light on this from > time to time. Feel free to ask if you are still not clear. > > Some people in the last few centuries forgot a lot of teachings of > Parasara and branded those key concepts as "Jaimini astrology" and > called a simplistic subset of Parasara's teachings as "Parasari > astrology". In my book, I attempted to correct the misconceptions. > Some people think that too many concepts means too much confusion. But > they will be pleasantly surprised to find that getting all the > building blocks of Jyotish as taught by both Parasara and Jaimini > straight will result in a lot of clarity! > > > With respects, > > > > Franck > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Franck, Namaste. > Dear Jyotishis, > > Although I have some background of Jyotish, I am new to certain > concepts and need to clarify some points. > > 1- When you look at the aspects on a chart and particularly on houses > or arudhas related to some subject in the life of a native, when do > you look at typical planetary (parasara's) aspects and when do you > use the typical sign (Jaimini's) aspects? The first thing is that the Rasi and Graha Dristi is noit Jaimini or Parasara, because both aouthors recognise the validity fo both aspects. \however, there is a gulf of difference between their effects. Please see an article on this on my website. > 2- Regarding arudhas. Suppose that I want to look at somebody's > learning and intelligence. I will then look at the 5th house for the > true knowledge and at A5 for its expression in the world. I would > check it the D-24 as well. > > But then what difference is there between A5 and fifth from A1 (AL)? AL is your illusory or perceived self. So 5th from it would indicate what role does leraning (or followers) play in it. On the other hand, A5 will indicate how your real knowledge or followers are perceived by others. For the ease of case let's take followers or disciples from the analogies of the 5th house. 5th house will indicate the true nature of your followers. A5 will indicate how they are preceived by others. Please note that this perception may at times be quite independent from your personality. Like a goid person may get good followers, who are tought fo as bad if A5 is afflicted while 5th house is not. Now AL will indicate how you are perceived. If the 5th from AL is strong, then people may think of you as someone having bing following. But this is their perception of your illusory self, not that of your followers. Now another twist: Lagna in D-24 indicates your true self in respect of knowledge. 5th from it may indicate your students to whom you give knowledge. A5 in D-24 may indicate how your students are perceived in respect of knowledge. AL in D-24 indicates how knowledgeable others think you to be. 5th from it may indicate how do they perceive your activities of teaching your students. Dpes this help a bit? A while ago someone asked for a detailed list for the Karaktwas in all houses in all D-charts. I think that this is impossible to complete, let alone the Karaktwas of the 12 houses in Rasi. Because there are innumerable things in the material world, and all of them are indicated by one of the 12 Bhavas. What to speak of seeing these karakatwas in the perspective of each Varga. And then we could add the meanings of Rasi and Graga Arudhas in all of the D-charts, and all of the Bhavas from these Arudhas! But I think that if someone has a fair knowledge of the Karakatwas of the Bhavas from the classics (Satya Jatakam, Uttara Kalamrit and Phala Deepika give fairly exhaustive lists), and then he also properly understands the indications of each D-chart, he can combine these things and use them nicely. So go for it and practice a lot. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone: +36-309-140-839 Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > With respects, > > Franck > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH Dear Frank and Gauranga! To add more clarity, the 5th from Lagna represent wisdom and knowledge whereas learning and intelligence is shown by the 4th house. The arudha of a house shows the material indicators for the indications of a house. For illustration, you might say that a person is intelligent, but what is the basis for such judgement? what makes you feel that? Intelligence is something which is intangible and there should be some measuring stick for that. We can say that IQ score can be that measuring stick. Similarly the degrees obtained by one or the institute in which one is studying etc could be the indicators or measuring stick on which we might base our judgement whether a person is intelligent or learned and hence represent by the A4. However, it might also happen that even a person is having a high degree or studied at one of the world'd renowned institution, people might have opinion that he is not learned enough. This can be seen from the 4th from AL. Similarly the different indications from the 5th houses are 5th from Lagna: Wisdom, Knowledge which he really has A5: The no. of students he teaches or shares his knowledge (This can only show how knowledgeable one is) 5th from AL: What is public opinion about his knowledge. Hope it clears. Regards Sarajit - Gauranga Das <gauranga <vedic astrology> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:24 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Question on aspects and arudhas > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Franck, > > Namaste. > > > Dear Jyotishis, > > > > Although I have some background of Jyotish, I am new to certain > > concepts and need to clarify some points. > > > > 1- When you look at the aspects on a chart and particularly on houses > > or arudhas related to some subject in the life of a native, when do > > you look at typical planetary (parasara's) aspects and when do you > > use the typical sign (Jaimini's) aspects? > > The first thing is that the Rasi and Graha Dristi is noit Jaimini or > Parasara, because both aouthors recognise the validity fo both aspects. > \however, there is a gulf of difference between their effects. Please see an > article on this on my website. > > > 2- Regarding arudhas. Suppose that I want to look at somebody's > > learning and intelligence. I will then look at the 5th house for the > > true knowledge and at A5 for its expression in the world. I would > > check it the D-24 as well. > > > > But then what difference is there between A5 and fifth from A1 (AL)? > > AL is your illusory or perceived self. So 5th from it would indicate what > role does leraning (or followers) play in it. On the other hand, A5 will > indicate how your real knowledge or followers are perceived by others. For > the ease of case let's take followers or disciples from the analogies of the > 5th house. > > 5th house will indicate the true nature of your followers. A5 will indicate > how they are preceived by others. Please note that this perception may at > times be quite independent from your personality. Like a goid person may get > good followers, who are tought fo as bad if A5 is afflicted while 5th house > is not. Now AL will indicate how you are perceived. If the 5th from AL is > strong, then people may think of you as someone having bing following. But > this is their perception of your illusory self, not that of your followers. > > Now another twist: Lagna in D-24 indicates your true self in respect of > knowledge. 5th from it may indicate your students to whom you give > knowledge. A5 in D-24 may indicate how your students are perceived in > respect of knowledge. AL in D-24 indicates how knowledgeable others think > you to be. 5th from it may indicate how do they perceive your activities of > teaching your students. > > Dpes this help a bit? A while ago someone asked for a detailed list for the > Karaktwas in all houses in all D-charts. I think that this is impossible to > complete, let alone the Karaktwas of the 12 houses in Rasi. Because there > are innumerable things in the material world, and all of them are indicated > by one of the 12 Bhavas. What to speak of seeing these karakatwas in the > perspective of each Varga. And then we could add the meanings of Rasi and > Graga Arudhas in all of the D-charts, and all of the Bhavas from these > Arudhas! But I think that if someone has a fair knowledge of the Karakatwas > of the Bhavas from the classics (Satya Jatakam, Uttara Kalamrit and Phala > Deepika give fairly exhaustive lists), and then he also properly understands > the indications of each D-chart, he can combine these things and use them > nicely. So go for it and practice a lot. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > > With respects, > > > > Franck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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