Guest guest Posted June 6, 2001 Report Share Posted June 6, 2001 Dear moses and the list, I am giving some pieces from page 66 and 154 of my book 'Significators in Astrology', which should give more hints. >From page 66:- astrologer Mercury (bS16/18), Krittika (bS15/1), Punarvasu1, Ashlesh, Revati, U.Phalguni2, Shatabhisha, P.Bhadrapad1, Taurus, Aquarius, Scorpio, Jupiter >From page 154:- astrology and other Vedanga Ashwini, Punarvasu, Pushya, Hasta, Swati, Moola, Shatabhisha, Revati (kp8) Abbreviations in brackets are name of books viz. Brihat samhita(bS), Yavan Jatak (yj), Bhav Manjari (bm), Bhav Prakash (Bp), Narad Samhita (ns), Kaal Prakasika (kp). Suffix after nakshatra means the pada e.g. 1st pada of P.Bhadrapad1 I have confined myself to giving opinion of writers in standard books/classics only and from sources available to me till October of 1995 and desisted from giving personal opinions. Hoping this will help, Shiv Chadha >MosesSiregarIII >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Astrological Nakshatras and Padas >Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:45 EDT > >Hello all. I'm wondering if someone can tell me which nakshatras are >considered 'astrological,' and/or which padas of which nakshatras are >considered the most astrological? > >love and aloha, >moses >www.astrologyforthesoul.com _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 Dear moses and the list, I am giving some pieces from page 66 and 154 of my book 'Significators in Astrology', which should give more hints. Thank you for your answer, Shiv Chadha. I was researching this a bit on my own the other day, and i'll share with you certain degrees that kept coming up. The main one was around 16 Scorpio tropical, which would be Vishaka1--Dennis Harness mentions this as an astrological pada in his nakshatra book. Others that i found were around 12 Leo tropical, or 19 Cancer sidereal in Ashlesha1. Another big one seemed to be around 28 Scorpio tropical, or 5 Scorpio sidereal, which would be Anuradha1. The last one that seemed really significant was around 13 Gemini tropical, or 20 Taurus sidereal, Rohini3or4. Do these make any sense to you, from the nakshatra perspective? much love and aloha, moses www.astrologyforthesoul.com >From page 66:- astrologer Mercury (bS16/18), Krittika (bS15/1), Punarvasu1, Ashlesh, Revati, U.Phalguni2, Shatabhisha, P.Bhadrapad1, Taurus, Aquarius, Scorpio, Jupiter >From page 154:- astrology and other Vedanga Ashwini, Punarvasu, Pushya, Hasta, Swati, Moola, Shatabhisha, Revati (kp8) Abbreviations in brackets are name of books viz. Brihat samhita(bS), Yavan Jatak (yj), Bhav Manjari (bm), Bhav Prakash (Bp), Narad Samhita (ns), Kaal Prakasika (kp). Suffix after nakshatra means the pada e.g. 1st pada of P.Bhadrapad1 I have confined myself to giving opinion of writers in standard books/classics only and from sources available to me till October of 1995 and desisted from giving personal opinions. Hoping this will help, Shiv Chadha >MosesSiregarIII (AT) aol (DOT) com >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Astrological Nakshatras and Padas >Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:45 EDT > >Hello all. I'm wondering if someone can tell me which nakshatras are >considered 'astrological,' and/or which padas of which nakshatras are >considered the most astrological? > >love and aloha, >moses >www.astrologyforthesoul.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2001 Report Share Posted June 7, 2001 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Moses, Namaste. It does not really make sense to inspect nakshatras in the tropical zodiac, as Nakshatras are nothing but cusps of stars on the skyglobe. Thus the sidereal zodiac itself is based on the Nakshatras, and they can be linked one-to-one, while if you bring in the tropical zodiac, you will always have the question of the precession degree, or Ayanamsha. I also trust the classics more, necause Jyotish is a science revealed by God, and no amount of speculation will bring you to the ruight answer regarding which nakshatra Padas make astrologers. If any modern writer quotes such Padas, he should also point to the classical source on the authority of which he establishes this fact. Otherwise anyone could bring in any conclusions, as the western astrologers do, and thus Jyotish would lose its essence of being a revealed science. So the fact of one's being an astrologer should be established on the basis of Karakatwas and yogas listed in the classical works. However, these yogas and Nakshatra padas may occur relatively rarely even in the horoscopes of astrologers. Thus it's more useful to observe the common Karaks for Jyotish, i.e. Mercury and Jupiter. They should have an influence on the 2nd (speech), 5th (knowledge) and 8th (intuition) houses in Rasi, D-10 (career) and D-24 (knowledge). I hope this helps. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> Phone: +36-309-140-839 Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> Phone: +36-309-140-839 Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET - MosesSiregarIII (AT) aol (DOT) com vedic astrology Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:10 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Astrological nakshatras and padas In a message dated 6/7/2001 1:35:09 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, vedic astrology writes: Dear moses and the list, I am giving some pieces from page 66 and 154 of my book 'Significators in Astrology', which should give more hints.Thank you for your answer, Shiv Chadha. I was researching this a bit on my own the other day, and i'll share with you certain degrees that kept coming up. The main one was around 16 Scorpio tropical, which would be Vishaka1--Dennis Harness mentions this as an astrological pada in his nakshatra book. Others that i found were around 12 Leo tropical, or 19 Cancer sidereal in Ashlesha1. Another big one seemed to be around 28 Scorpio tropical, or 5 Scorpio sidereal, which would be Anuradha1. The last one that seemed really significant was around 13 Gemini tropical, or 20 Taurus sidereal, Rohini3or4. Do these make any sense to you, from the nakshatra perspective? much love and aloha, moses www.astrologyforthesoul.com >From page 66:- astrologer Mercury (bS16/18), Krittika (bS15/1), Punarvasu1, Ashlesh, Revati, U.Phalguni2, Shatabhisha, P.Bhadrapad1, Taurus, Aquarius, Scorpio, Jupiter From page 154:- astrology and other Vedanga Ashwini, Punarvasu, Pushya, Hasta, Swati, Moola, Shatabhisha, Revati (kp8) Abbreviations in brackets are name of books viz. Brihat samhita(bS), Yavan Jatak (yj), Bhav Manjari (bm), Bhav Prakash (Bp), Narad Samhita (ns), Kaal Prakasika (kp). Suffix after nakshatra means the pada e.g. 1st pada of P.Bhadrapad1 I have confined myself to giving opinion of writers in standard books/classics only and from sources available to me till October of 1995 and desisted from giving personal opinions. Hoping this will help, Shiv Chadha >MosesSiregarIII (AT) aol (DOT) com >vedic astrology >To: vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Astrological Nakshatras and Padas >Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:45 EDT > >Hello all. I'm wondering if someone can tell me which nakshatras are >considered 'astrological,' and/or which padas of which nakshatras are >considered the most astrological? > >love and aloha, >moses >www.astrologyforthesoul.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Thank you for your feedback, it's good to get a Jyotish perspective. Nonetheless, if i find certain degrees to show up very commonly amongst astrologers, and this might be established as a statistical fact, it would seem to me that it's worth investigating if the Vedic tradition would actually confirm this or not. If so, it's yet another victory for the 'revealed' Vedic system. If not, it's something to consider in the light of actual testing, and then perhaps reason to be more skeptical. I also have no problem with the fact that my results were using the tropical zodiac, because i find that the tropical zodiac works very well, although i know this is not exactly the best list to assert that opinion, so i'll leave it at that, since most here would not agree. However, whether the degrees that i found work better from a tropical or sidereal perspective remains to be seen, which is why i am asking the respected jyotishis here my questions. I have increased the sample size that i was working with to go up to 52 professional astrologers, which is not a huge sample, but i did seem to find some interesting results. These results should be much more accurate than the ones i listed yesterday. My question, to any kind enough to answer, is if the following degrees show up in nakshatras or padas that are considered astrological. Copyright 2001 - Moses Siregar III - Tropical placements that showed up at least once in professional astrologers charts, using standard western chart placements: 13 Leo: 49.0% 19 Gemini: 38.5% 17 Scorpio: 36.8% 7 Scorpio: 36.5% 17 Capricorn: 32.7% 8 Libra: 30.7% 23 Cancer and 12 Virgo: 28.8% 7 Aries: 25.9% All other degrees seemed to show up less than these, and most other degrees seemed to show up much less. Sidereal placements rounded up degrees, using a (imprecise but averaged) 23 degree correction: 20 Cancer 26 Taurus 24 Libra 13 Libra 24 Sagittarius 15 Virgo 0 Cancer 19 Leo 13 Pisces I used two degrees on either side of these degrees, so the sidereal results would actually be (degrees rounded up): 18-22 Cancer 24-28 Taurus 22-26 Libra 11-15 Libra 22-26 Sagittarius 13-17 Virgo 29 Gemini - 2 Cancer 17-21 Leo 11-15 Pisces The nakshatras and padas would be, in order of which i found them to show up: Ashlesha1and2 Mrigasira1and2 Visakha1and2 Swati2and3 Purvashada3and4 Hasta2and3 Punarvasu3and4 Purva Phalguni2and3 Uttara Bhadrapada3or4 I'm wondering if anyone here can tell me which of these the Vedic tradition would consider to be astrological nakshatras and/or padas, and any significant ones that seem to be missing. I'll check out any of the missing ones, and tell you if they seem to actually show up or not in my tests--please specify padas whenever possible so i can look for more particular degree territories. If anyone can help, i greatly appreciate it and thank you very much. love and aloha to all, moses www.astrologyforthesoul.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Moses, I am glad you are into statistical research. We need more people doing that. > Copyright 2001 - Moses Siregar III - > > Tropical placements that showed up at least once in professional astrologers > charts, using standard western chart placements: > 13 Leo: 49.0% > 19 Gemini: 38.5% > 17 Scorpio: 36.8% > 7 Scorpio: 36.5% > 17 Capricorn: 32.7% > 8 Libra: 30.7% > 23 Cancer and 12 Virgo: 28.8% > 7 Aries: 25.9% > All other degrees seemed to show up less than these, and most other degrees > seemed to show up much less. One comment and one question: (1) See, 52 charts represent a small sample set to draw any conclusions. (2) When you say that a "placement showed up atleast once", what do you mean? Are you talking about the placement of ascendant or any planet? How many bodies are you considering overall? Are you considering only planets or some mathematical points like mid-points, arabic parts etc? I want to know the total number of bodies/mathematical points you are considering in each chart. Based on it, I want to calculate some probabilities. Thank you! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Hello, Once you answer some of Narasimha's questions I too may be in a position to help you with data. Research is great although most time consuming. Phyl - MosesSiregarIII (AT) aol (DOT) com vedic astrology Friday, June 08, 2001 11:11 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Astrological Nakshatras and Padas Gauranga Das, Thank you for your feedback, it's good to get a Jyotish perspective. Nonetheless, if i find certain degrees to show up very commonly amongst astrologers, and this might be established as a statistical fact, it would seem to me that it's worth investigating if the Vedic tradition would actually confirm this or not. If so, it's yet another victory for the 'revealed' Vedic system. If not, it's something to consider in the light of actual testing, and then perhaps reason to be more skeptical. I also have no problem with the fact that my results were using the tropical zodiac, because i find that the tropical zodiac works very well, although i know this is not exactly the best list to assert that opinion, so i'll leave it at that, since most here would not agree. However, whether the degrees that i found work better from a tropical or sidereal perspective remains to be seen, which is why i am asking the respected jyotishis here my questions. I have increased the sample size that i was working with to go up to 52 professional astrologers, which is not a huge sample, but i did seem to find some interesting results. These results should be much more accurate than the ones i listed yesterday. My question, to any kind enough to answer, is if the following degrees show up in nakshatras or padas that are considered astrological. Copyright 2001 - Moses Siregar III - Tropical placements that showed up at least once in professional astrologers charts, using standard western chart placements: 13 Leo: 49.0% 19 Gemini: 38.5% 17 Scorpio: 36.8% 7 Scorpio: 36.5% 17 Capricorn: 32.7% 8 Libra: 30.7% 23 Cancer and 12 Virgo: 28.8% 7 Aries: 25.9% All other degrees seemed to show up less than these, and most other degrees seemed to show up much less. Sidereal placements rounded up degrees, using a (imprecise but averaged) 23 degree correction: 20 Cancer 26 Taurus 24 Libra 13 Libra 24 Sagittarius 15 Virgo 0 Cancer 19 Leo 13 Pisces I used two degrees on either side of these degrees, so the sidereal results would actually be (degrees rounded up): 18-22 Cancer 24-28 Taurus 22-26 Libra 11-15 Libra 22-26 Sagittarius 13-17 Virgo 29 Gemini - 2 Cancer 17-21 Leo 11-15 Pisces The nakshatras and padas would be, in order of which i found them to show up: Ashlesha1and2 Mrigasira1and2 Visakha1and2 Swati2and3 Purvashada3and4 Hasta2and3 Punarvasu3and4 Purva Phalguni2and3 Uttara Bhadrapada3or4 I'm wondering if anyone here can tell me which of these the Vedic tradition would consider to be astrological nakshatras and/or padas, and any significant ones that seem to be missing. I'll check out any of the missing ones, and tell you if they seem to actually show up or not in my tests--please specify padas whenever possible so i can look for more particular degree territories. If anyone can help, i greatly appreciate it and thank you very much. love and aloha to all, moses www.astrologyforthesoul.com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Dear Moses, Namaste. What do you mean by showing up? Was the astrologers' Lagna or Sun or other planetys there? I can't really handle the information you gave. Have you heard about Sahams? This is the real method for investigating special degrees in Jyotish. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> Phone: +36-309-140-839 Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET - MosesSiregarIII (AT) aol (DOT) com vedic astrology Friday, June 08, 2001 8:11 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Astrological Nakshatras and Padas Gauranga Das, Thank you for your feedback, it's good to get a Jyotish perspective. Nonetheless, if i find certain degrees to show up very commonly amongst astrologers, and this might be established as a statistical fact, it would seem to me that it's worth investigating if the Vedic tradition would actually confirm this or not. If so, it's yet another victory for the 'revealed' Vedic system. If not, it's something to consider in the light of actual testing, and then perhaps reason to be more skeptical. I also have no problem with the fact that my results were using the tropical zodiac, because i find that the tropical zodiac works very well, although i know this is not exactly the best list to assert that opinion, so i'll leave it at that, since most here would not agree. However, whether the degrees that i found work better from a tropical or sidereal perspective remains to be seen, which is why i am asking the respected jyotishis here my questions. I have increased the sample size that i was working with to go up to 52 professional astrologers, which is not a huge sample, but i did seem to find some interesting results. These results should be much more accurate than the ones i listed yesterday. My question, to any kind enough to answer, is if the following degrees show up in nakshatras or padas that are considered astrological. Copyright 2001 - Moses Siregar III - Tropical placements that showed up at least once in professional astrologers charts, using standard western chart placements: 13 Leo: 49.0% 19 Gemini: 38.5% 17 Scorpio: 36.8% 7 Scorpio: 36.5% 17 Capricorn: 32.7% 8 Libra: 30.7% 23 Cancer and 12 Virgo: 28.8% 7 Aries: 25.9% All other degrees seemed to show up less than these, and most other degrees seemed to show up much less. Sidereal placements rounded up degrees, using a (imprecise but averaged) 23 degree correction: 20 Cancer 26 Taurus 24 Libra 13 Libra 24 Sagittarius 15 Virgo 0 Cancer 19 Leo 13 Pisces I used two degrees on either side of these degrees, so the sidereal results would actually be (degrees rounded up): 18-22 Cancer 24-28 Taurus 22-26 Libra 11-15 Libra 22-26 Sagittarius 13-17 Virgo 29 Gemini - 2 Cancer 17-21 Leo 11-15 Pisces The nakshatras and padas would be, in order of which i found them to show up: Ashlesha1and2 Mrigasira1and2 Visakha1and2 Swati2and3 Purvashada3and4 Hasta2and3 Punarvasu3and4 Purva Phalguni2and3 Uttara Bhadrapada3or4 I'm wondering if anyone here can tell me which of these the Vedic tradition would consider to be astrological nakshatras and/or padas, and any significant ones that seem to be missing. I'll check out any of the missing ones, and tell you if they seem to actually show up or not in my tests--please specify padas whenever possible so i can look for more particular degree territories. If anyone can help, i greatly appreciate it and thank you very much. love and aloha to all, moses www.astrologyforthesoul.com Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Namaste Phyl, > Hello, > > Once you answer some of Narasimha's questions I too may be in > a position to help you with data. Research is great although most > time consuming. > > Phyl Research, especially statistical research, is badly needed in Jyotish. If you have time and energy for it, excellent! However, don't waste your time on which 4-degree arc has how many bodies. As an SJVC guru selected by Sanjay, I am sure you can conduct more meaningful researches. If you are interested in statistical research, seek Sanjay's advice on the topic! BTW, before you take up statistical research projects, it may be useful to read the chapter 33 (Rational Thinking) in my book "Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach". May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 >MosesSiregarIII >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Astrological nakshatras and padas >Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:10:14 EDT > >In a message dated 6/7/2001 1:35:09 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, >vedic astrology writes: > > > > Dear Dear moses and the list, >I was researching this a bit on my own the other day, and i'll share with >you certain degrees that kept coming up. The main one was around 16 Scorpio >tropical, which would be Vishaka1--Dennis Harness mentions this as an >astrological pada in his nakshatra book. Others that i found were around 12 >Leo tropical, or 19 Cancer sidereal in Ashlesha1. Another big one seemed to >be around 28 Scorpio tropical, or 5 Scorpio sidereal, which would be >Anuradha1. The last one that seemed really significant was around 13 Gemini >tropical, or 20 Taurus sidereal, Rohini3or4. Do these make any sense to >you, from the nakshatra perspective? < Vedic Astrology does recognise some degrees of the tropical Zodiac as having peculiar characters. Some degrees are fatal, dangerous and some are auspicious, called 'Pushkar' and these are vital in birth chart and 'Muhurta'. But classics differ in respect of fatal degrees. Jatak Parijat, Sarvarth Chintamani, Jatak Bharnam, Saravali, they all give different set of degrees as fatal. Hora Ratna lists, some degrees which are bad for eye-sight. If such degrees are seen with their orbs, the Navansh (D9) in which they fall become vital. And when we talk of D9, they are padas of Nakshatras. Vedic Astrology does recognise both kind of Zodiac- sidereal and tropical but they have different uses. While, it is sidereal zodiac for Natal horoscopy, but when we are talking of seasons, movement of the Sun from north to south or south to north of equator (Ayan chalan), equality of day and night, it is tropical. Narad Samhita is very specific on this point. In matter of 'astrological link' some combinations, link are very vital. For example, in charts of astrologers, palmists or other kind of occultists, you should come across close link of the 5th house (future) with Jupiter and the ascendant (self). If this is not evident in the main chart, it should be in D9, D10 and other D charts linked to intellectual deleneation D24 etc. In Navansh chart Navansh of sign of the 5th house in the main chart is vital. For astrologers, 2nd house is also very important. If its is well disposed by virtue of strong planets, Jupiter or Venus, it will confer 'Vak Siddhi' on him and his predictions come true and if not, it is otherwise. Dasa of Jupiter, 5th, 9th lords or planets placed in these houses are important for career in astrology/occult. Rasi Dasa of 5th, 9th house is also likewise, vital. If you are interested in books interpreting degrees of the Zodiac following books can be helpful:- "The Stars and Your Future" by M C Jain's The Degrees of The Zodiac Synbolised by Charubel (to which is added a translation by Sepharial of a similar series found in LA VOLASFERA) A Practical Astrology : How to make it work for You in Love, Marriage Career and Health. By Jerry L Keane These three give four different interpretations of degrees. Hoping this will help, Shiv Chadha moses and the list, > > > > I am giving some pieces from page 66 and 154 of my book 'Significators >in > > Astrology', which should give more hints. > > >Thank you for your answer, Shiv Chadha. I was researching this a bit on my >own the other day, and i'll share with you certain degrees that kept coming >up. The main one was around 16 Scorpio tropical, which would be >Vishaka1--Dennis Harness mentions this as an astrological pada in his >nakshatra book. Others that i found were around 12 Leo tropical, or 19 >Cancer >sidereal in Ashlesha1. Another big one seemed to be around 28 Scorpio >tropical, or 5 Scorpio sidereal, which would be Anuradha1. The last one >that >seemed really significant was around 13 Gemini tropical, or 20 Taurus >sidereal, Rohini3or4. Do these make any sense to you, from the nakshatra >perspective? > >much love and aloha, >moses >www.astrologyforthesoul.com > > > > > > From page 66:- > > astrologer Mercury (bS16/18), Krittika (bS15/1), Punarvasu1, Ashlesh, > > Revati, U.Phalguni2, Shatabhisha, P.Bhadrapad1, Taurus, >Aquarius, > > Scorpio, > > Jupiter > > From page 154:- > > astrology and other Vedanga Ashwini, Punarvasu, Pushya, Hasta, Swati, > > Moola, > > Shatabhisha, Revati (kp8) > > > > Abbreviations in brackets are name of books viz. Brihat samhita(bS), >Yavan > > Jatak (yj), Bhav Manjari (bm), Bhav Prakash (Bp), Narad Samhita (ns), >Kaal > > Prakasika (kp). > > > > Suffix after nakshatra means the pada e.g. 1st pada of P.Bhadrapad1 > > > > I have confined myself to giving opinion of writers in standard > > books/classics only and from sources available to me till October of >1995 > > and desisted from giving personal opinions. > > > > Hoping this will help, > > > > Shiv Chadha > > > > >MosesSiregarIII > > >vedic astrology > > >vedic astrology > > >[vedic astrology] Astrological Nakshatras and Padas > > >Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:12:45 EDT > > > > > >Hello all. I'm wondering if someone can tell me which nakshatras are > > >considered 'astrological,' and/or which padas of which nakshatras are > > >considered the most astrological? > > > > > >love and aloha, > > >moses > > >www.astrologyforthesoul.com > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 What i used was this: all planets, including outer planets, chiron, the four major asteroids, all four major angles, the north and south nodes using true node, the part of fortune using only day-formula calculations, and the vertex. These are all fairly commonly used in western astrology. Anyone with one of these placements showing up at least two degrees on either side of the listed degrees counted for that degree. The main lead that i have on these degrees is that five out of the first eight of them, including the first three top degrees, are within 2 degrees of some of the planetary nodes (Neptune, Venus, and Mercury, Pluto, and Saturn, in order). I noticed a few cases of specific placements that may show up a lot: ASC around 17 Scorpio ASC around 28 Scorpio Chiron around 17 Capricorn Uranus around 19 Gemini I'm still interested to see if anyone would like to tell me whether or not the following specific nakshatras and padas are considered to have any connection to astrology or not. That would help me out: Ashlesha1and2 Mrigasira1and2 Visakha1and2 Swati2and3 Purvashada3and4 Hasta2and3 Punarvasu3and4 Purva Phalguni2and3 Uttara Bhadrapada3or4 love and aloha to all, moses www.astrologyforthesoul.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Shivji, Namaste. > > Vedic Astrology does recognise some degrees of the tropical Zodiac as having > peculiar characters. Some degrees are fatal, dangerous and some are > auspicious, called 'Pushkar' and these are vital in birth chart and > 'Muhurta'. But classics differ in respect of fatal degrees. Jatak Parijat, > Sarvarth Chintamani, Jatak Bharnam, Saravali, they all give different set of > degrees as fatal. If you are hinting at Mrityu Bhagas, please could you quote a reference which confirms that Mrityu Bhagas should be calculated on the basis of tropical (sayana) zodiac and not sidereal? My understanding hitherto was that every reference point is based on the sidereal (Nirayana) zodiac. > Hora Ratna lists, some degrees which are bad for eye-sight. > > If such degrees are seen with their orbs, the Navansh (D9) in which they > fall become vital. And when we talk of D9, they are padas of Nakshatras. > > Vedic Astrology does recognise both kind of Zodiac- sidereal and tropical > but they have different uses. While, it is sidereal zodiac for Natal > horoscopy, but when we are talking of seasons, movement of the Sun from > north to south or south to north of equator (Ayan chalan), equality of day > and night, it is tropical. Narad Samhita is very specific on this point. As for the seasons, I am not convinced. It is standardly listed with reference to Nakshatra-based (i.e. sidereal) zodiac. At least this is what Sanjay said in this regard. With the rest of it you are correct. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone: +36-309-140-839 Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Jaya Jagannath! Dear Gauranga Prabhu, pranaam! Apparently there is a very clear reference to the Sayana zodiac in Vishnu Purana(chapter 8, canto 2). You can find the relevant Sanskrit quotes cum translation in "Elements of vedic astrology" part one, by Dr. Charak. If you check the text, you will find that the Vishnu purana links the seasons and the rashi chakra by stating that Uttarayana begins when the Sun enters Makara rashi, i. e. Capricorn, while Dakshinayana begins when the Sun passes into Karkata or Cancer. Then the Purana goes on to say that after the Sun´s entry into Mesha, the days progressively lengthen and there are a few other references from which it is evident that Vishnu Purana talks about the sayana zodiac. From what I understand the Bhagavatam contains a similar passage where the rashis are linked to seasons. Unfortunately I dont know enough of Sanskrit to be able to check for myself but I know that there is a pandit in Delhi who has been arguing for years that the vedas and puranas talk about a sayana zodiac. This persons name is Krishen Kaul and he publishes a yearly ephemeris which regularly contains essays about how the vedic zodiac is sayana. I am not learned or smart enough to figure porve or disprove what he says but the fact remains that the Vishnu purana talks about sayana rashis. regards and Hare Krishna Anantarupa Gauranga Das schrieb: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Shivji, > > Namaste. > > > > > Vedic Astrology does recognise some degrees of the tropical Zodiac as > having > > peculiar characters. Some degrees are fatal, dangerous and some are > > auspicious, called 'Pushkar' and these are vital in birth chart and > > 'Muhurta'. But classics differ in respect of fatal degrees. Jatak Parijat, > > Sarvarth Chintamani, Jatak Bharnam, Saravali, they all give different set > of > > degrees as fatal. > > If you are hinting at Mrityu Bhagas, please could you quote a reference > which confirms that Mrityu Bhagas should be calculated on the basis of > tropical (sayana) zodiac and not sidereal? My understanding hitherto was > that every reference point is based on the sidereal (Nirayana) zodiac. > > > Hora Ratna lists, some degrees which are bad for eye-sight. > > > > If such degrees are seen with their orbs, the Navansh (D9) in which they > > fall become vital. And when we talk of D9, they are padas of Nakshatras. > > > > Vedic Astrology does recognise both kind of Zodiac- sidereal and tropical > > but they have different uses. While, it is sidereal zodiac for Natal > > horoscopy, but when we are talking of seasons, movement of the Sun from > > north to south or south to north of equator (Ayan chalan), equality of day > > and night, it is tropical. Narad Samhita is very specific on this point. > > As for the seasons, I am not convinced. It is standardly listed with > reference to Nakshatra-based (i.e. sidereal) zodiac. At least this is what > Sanjay said in this regard. With the rest of it you are correct. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > _______ > > > > Get your free @ address at > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Namasthe. The two ayana sankraantis (or seasons) move from zodiac to zodiac, and is a well practiced very ancient as well as current Vedic custom as seen in having them as 'anadyayana days' and puNyakaala; smr`ti references to such events throw light on the time period of the particular smr`ti writings. Lagadha's Vedanga Jyotisha also mentions this. Linking the raashis to seasons in PuraaNas could be some PauraaNikas errors, if at all such specific linkage is there (I doubt it - it might be only statements of celestial events then). As we all know, due to earth's precession, the ayana sankraantis shift from one raashi to the previous one in about 994 years (or by a day in every 71-72 years) and this view is there in Vedanga Jyotisha, Taittiriya BhaahmaNa, Matryupanishad, Panchasiddhantika, etc. Many of current editions of PuraaNas are believed done during the Gupta period (~ 300 AD). So, such celestial events of that time got into them. Arno Holzmann wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath! > > Dear Gauranga Prabhu, pranaam! > > Apparently there is a very clear reference to the Sayana zodiac in Vishnu > Purana(chapter 8, canto 2). You can find the relevant Sanskrit quotes cum > translation in "Elements of vedic astrology" part one, by Dr. Charak. > > If you check the text, you will find that the Vishnu purana links the seasons > and the rashi chakra by stating that Uttarayana begins when the Sun enters > Makara rashi, i. e. Capricorn, while Dakshinayana begins when the Sun passes > into Karkata or Cancer. > > Then the Purana goes on to say that after the Sun´s entry into Mesha, the days > progressively lengthen and there are a few other references from which it is > evident that Vishnu Purana talks about the sayana zodiac. From what I understand > the Bhagavatam contains a similar passage where the rashis are linked to > seasons. > Unfortunately I dont know enough of Sanskrit to be able to check for myself but > I know that there is a pandit in Delhi who has been arguing for years that the > vedas and puranas talk about a sayana zodiac. This persons name is Krishen Kaul > and he publishes a yearly ephemeris which regularly contains essays about how > the vedic zodiac is sayana. > > I am not learned or smart enough to figure porve or disprove what he says but > the fact remains that the Vishnu purana talks about sayana rashis. > > regards and Hare Krishna > > Anantarupa > > Gauranga Das schrieb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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