Jupiter - 16 (RE: JIVA -a vote for conscious study)

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

 

Dear Rosemary, Namaskar

 

The dictum is detailed in Phala Deepika, but Parasara also indicates the

same. It relates to premature death or balarishta. Here the possibility of

death is alotted to the bad deeds/sins of the mother, father and child

respectively.

 

The longevity of a child cannot be determined upto the 12th year of age.

 

Comment: These twelve years are ruled by the three Naisargika Dasa’s

occuring in childhood namely the Moon (0-1), Mars (1-4) and Mercury (4-12).

 

Events in the first four years are deeds/sins alotted to the mother

(chandra).

 

Comment: This is akin to the Naisargika dasas of Moon and Mars, where

sustenance, health and protection are the keywords and are decided by the

mother in her form as Bhuvanesvari and Bagalaamba respectively. The Moon is

very important for Balarishta calculations and its weakness promises

evils/accidents before the age of 8.

 

The next four to the father (surya), after which the balarishta portion is

over.

 

Comment: This comprises half of the Mercury Naisargika dasa (4-12) wherein

the child learns how to study and become a good student. This is a very

important period where the child is taken under the wing of his/her elders

to understand their karma yoga (tenth house karaka – mercury).

 

The next 4 years (until 12) are then fully indicative of the natives own

deeds.

 

Comment: The balarishta portion ends after eight years of age where the

yogarishta portion begins for 12 years (8-20). Here the first one-third

portion from 8-12 is specifically sensitive according to Mantresvara and he

follows this by stating:

 

The years upto 12 years of age are particularly sensitive to the child and

the parents should arrange for jaapa, homa and appropriate medicine

(chikitsa) where necessary, to be given to the child until such an age.

 

The traditional rites are performed on every nakshatra-birthday and

comprises of the navagraha homa, nakshatra homa and mrityunjaya homa which

ensures good health and peace for one whole year. These rites are also

mentioned by Harihara in Prasna marga and Vashishta in the Chandra Kala

Nadi.

 

 

 

As for your question regarding 16. This is the first year of maturity of

Jupiter – this is a well known fact and is used in calculations of natural

years.

 

Example: Chandra Kala Nadi states that if Jupiter is in the tenth house,

then bhagya (luck/fortune) will start in the 26th year... why 26? Tenth

house+Jupiter = 10+16. Result is 26 when the bhagya will come. Now depending

on the nadiamsa of the lagna this could be your own good luck or your

uncle’s child’s good luck (tenth is the 5th (child) from the 6th (uncle)).

 

Hope this helps.

 

Best wishes,

 

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14 May 2006 11:25

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

 

 

 

Om Brihaspataye Namah

 

 

 

Dear Sourav,

 

There is a reason why many Jyotishi's do not give advice to a child prior to

16. Maybe I am wrong, but what has been taught to me, was the first 6 or so

years was the karma earnt from the mother, and the second 6 years from the

father. The balance i do not remember but it would be good to do some

research on this.It may take time.

 

 

 

What do you say Vistiji? Or even Guruji?Do you know the dictim?

 

 

 

It is a good question you raise Sourav, as I am sure it is something in how

clumsy I am expressing this.We are all linked, and as you say , there are

many levels of karma. Specifically the parents role is to take

responsibility for the child until a certain age. That is natural law common

to many traditions.

 

All I can offer on the Buddhi clicking in at 16 is what I have from His

Holiness Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati, from Jyotir Math. When you

read this, you can decide for yourself the veracity of his words. I shall

look it up and share it on this list for any genuine enquiry, in case it is

useful.

 

 

 

But really we need a reference from a Jyotish text, which I do not have,

just Sanjay Rath's agreement about the matrika. I guess this why JIVA will

be so helpful!

 

 

 

 

 

Best Wishes

 

 

 

Rosemary Innes-Jones

 

SJC New Zealand

 

Vishvamitra

 

 

 

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Sourav <souravc108 >

 

 

 

Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:27 PM

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

 

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Rosemary and Michal,

 

Namaskar. Karma of

parents, grandparents and lineage upto 14 generations are linked to an

individual. The karma of jaati (society), country, and universe are also

linked and experienced by individual. When we say individual, it is not the

highest unit where karma manifests and gets accumulated. An individual is a

sub-unit. If you think about the human body, each cel is an individual and

we are a giant collection of these individuals.

 

But to say that before 16 the child is only experiencing the karma of

parents is not appropriate. The child has taken birth and selected the

specific 'yoni' of the parents to take that birth solely to discharge the

accumulated karma. So if the child dies before 16, shall we say that he died

due to parents karma and none of his/her own karma fructified ? I don't

think so. Karma manifests from conception. That we are slowly able to

manifest free will happens in the teens. The starting of growth/strength in

faculties doesn't mean that karma was not there before.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

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, "Rosemary Innes-Jones"

<rf.innes-jones wrote:

>

> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>

> OM BRIHASPATAYE NAMAH

>

> Dear Michal,

> Ok . so you dont want to do the SJCERC exams, but maybe following up

officially on the course can fix any confusion .Good Luck.

>

> Whatever is happening around the age of 16 physically, is not what I am

talking about.

>

> It is about Karma, and taking responsibility, for our actions.

> responsibility=ability to respond.

> At 16 the being has all shakti to meet the karma he has earnt. Before that

the karma is of the parents.Buddhi takes sometimes till 19 to fully mature,

but it kicks in from 16.For me at 16 I suddenly had this huge desire to be

awake, and ran around jumping out of perfectly good aeroplanes, in an

attempt to realise I was!! ))

> Study did not even feature unless it was passing flying or Jumping

Instructor exams!!

>

> yes i have seen 2 sons grow through this age and hundreds through my youth

training programme, but what I have shared with you is knowledge from the

vedas, from Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math Conversations specifically on

education. It rung a bell in Delhi for me with Guruji also when he was

teaching , and he agreed about matri-kaa. The point was here about Jupiter ,

having the natural age of 16 which is what we are taught and I linked it to

this issue of wanting independent study. I shall try to find the exact

quote, but maybe Visti can help. He may have even been there.

>

> Hope this helps

> Best Wishes

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones

> SJC New Zealand

> Vishvamitra

> -

> Michal Dziwulski

>

> Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:56 PM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

>

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Rosemary,

>

> I probably would have made it to Serbia last year for an exam if I had

known about it and I had won a lottery a week prior. I think that programme

has had real success in Serbia and perhaps India, from what I can gather.

But you don't need to bother anybody in Novi Sad about it, I'll just keep

on. Thanks.

>

> I think there is a plethora of physiological activity occuring at around

the age of 16. I noticed a few things, though I don't know about 'lights

going out'. Though honing charachter and buddhi activating seems familiar.

You have seen three children go through this age, so maybe it is your

experience.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones wrote:

> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>

> Dear Michal,

>

> JIVA can be enrolled in at any time. I only enrolled 7 days ago, and I

have had the conference call, the material received the passwords and got

the homeworks all within a few days. The System has been specifically

designed for the distance learner, whereas SJCERC has not. For JIVA you dont

have to be a wiz at the computer either, and the course assumes the student

is unfamiliar with even the most basic sanskrit terms like veda!!

>

> I do not understand what is happening with SJERC, as I know 2nd year

students in Serbia are having their exams on 15th June, this year. It was

this that created the problem initially for getting Zoran and Sanjay out to

New Zealand in May06. Whilst in London in March I came across a student who

also had enrolled in SJCERC , but had not had any activity either. In his

case I dont think he had even the material, but this may have changed by

now, and he is probably turning up in Serbia to sit his exams!!

> I can only suggest asking through your Guru Vistiji what is happening.

Certainly I will ask on your behalf when I am there in Novi Sad if you would

like. Perhaps I can arrange to get the exams done here in Gulf Harbour, with

Wentworth College .They are registered with Cambridge . Would this help? Do

you know of any other SJCERC student in New Zealand?

>

> From my Advaita studies16, is a special point in the life of a human

being. I think it is related to the 16 matrika, 16 shaktis. It is here that

a being starts earning and paying for Karma. some have described it as "the

light going out" Did you notice anything at that time yourself? Before this,

education is a case of preserving the intelligence, whereas after this point

it is more a case of honing charachter. A much harder task, and is why

education of our children , especially from 4 1/2 to 16years is of supreme

importance. All the shaktis are in place by 16 and the being then starts to

expend this energy. At the time of turning 16, a persons Buddhi starts

operating.

>

> Yes, I remember Sanjay saying these ages as you have described, but I

remember them more as flavours of the mind. My reference to Jupiter is more

related to Karma.

>

> Hope this helps

> Best Wishes

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones

> SJC New Zealand

> Vishvamitra

>

>

> -

> Michal Dziwulski

>

> Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:56 AM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

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>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Rosemary,

>

> There has been no activity in SJCERC for almost a year now, as far as I am

aware. There is a wealth of material available however and I am trying to

work my way through it in as ordered a fashion as I can muster. I owe so

much to Visti for his contribution, but so does virtually everyone

participating on this list.

>

> As long as the organisation continues to serve the furthering of this

great science, as it has done as far as I can see, then all will benefit.

Difficulties arise when people are self-serving.

>

> I was using the natural age of Venus with regard to the impact on

knowledge which is from an article in JD some time ago.

>

> 0-4 - Moon

> 5-14 - Mercury

> 15-22 - Venus

> 23-41 - Sun

> 42-56 - Mars

> 57-68 - Jupiter

> 69-108 - Saturn, Rahu, and Ketu

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones wrote:

> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>

> Dear Michal,

> Forgive me, but arent you studying SJERC material and are attended by your

Guru, Vistiji? If this is the case then you are one of the extremely

blessed.

>

> From your posts, , I see a lot of conscious study being done, and you are

extremely hardworking. What you are doing is working perfectly.To borrow

your phrase, about prefering to find out "who or what I am " rather than

titles, it is the discovery of this which is what I mean by conscious. All

the SJC materials, the Cd.s and the discussions and most especially our SJC

Gurus who give so much of their time promote this discovery of consciousness

in us. What I personally found from following the JIVA programme, was new

and refreshing insight from its simplicity. This created order for this

mind, and opened up what has been recognised before. Rather than pouring

knowledge in, as what passes for education these days, JIVA tries to come

from uncovering the existing knowledge ..........that we all have.

>

> Why I shared this on this most eminent list of dedicated Jyotishi's , was

because often when new people come to this study, we give them the books and

show them the lists, and unless they are as hardworking as yourself, they

give up as it appears to be far too complex and confusing. Unless we can

recognise ourselves , our true self, in our study it becomes a dry

intellectual thing. Then often the interest wanes.The student who enrolled

upon my reccomendation, is delighted as although she has been on a SJC list

( Not Visti's) for 3 years, she is learning from simple Advaita principles

first. Maybe its the timing , but JIVA seems to suit her. It fits with her

30 years meditation and Shankya philosophy. So the "vote" for JIVA , goes

alongside all the "votes" for study on all the SJC lists! The fact that this

non-profit organisation has been set up to fund Jyotish research and Jyotish

publications that all of us enjoy, should also be supported, dont you think?

>

> In regard to your chart questions, I will look at it over the next few

days. Natural age of Jupiter i thought was 16.

>

> hope this helps,

> Best wishes and warm regards

>

> Rosemary Innes--Jones

> SJC New Zealand

> Vishvamitra

>

> -

> Michal Dziwulski

>

> Friday, May 12, 2006 2:45 PM

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] JIVA -a vote for conscious study

>

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Rosemary,

>

> Indeed Jiva is a Godsend. Unfortunately, I think I missed the boat for

enrolling. Which may not be an entirely conscious decision, if I may borrow

the term, but something perhaps more destined in the stars.

>

> Recently I examined my D24 chart. It has Aquarius rising with Venus in MKS

in the 6th house. Venus owns the 4th house of formal education as well as

the 9th house of higher studies, so naturally these houses suffer. And

suffer they have. When I saw this combination all the struggle I had

experienced in high school and University became abundantly clear, and I

realised that more informal, personal and self disciplined teachings were

more suited to me.

>

> In a way it feels like a bit of a shame, because I am very attracted to

the titles, logos and credentials that all these formal institutions have to

offer, including Jiva, but I always just try to remember that for me it is

not about the organisation and the letters after a name, but about who (or

what!) I am, and what good I can do with this knowledge. So, with the books

I revere, the audio material available, and the discussions between students

and gurus on the lists, I'll persevere.

>

> My birth details - 7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland.

>

> respectfully,

> Michal Dziwulski

> B.A. History and Philosophy

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones wrote:

>

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> JIVA- A vote for Conscous Learning !! How blessed are we!

> To all those keen Jyotish learners,

>

> Nothing beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish guru, to learn from

our great parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to learn at their

guru's feet and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.

> HOWEVER- for those of us learning from a distance, like me who is 000's of

miles from just about anywhere, Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC.

> The latest impulse, JIVA( www.jiva.us ) I recently joined as a student. I

have been truly amazed at the depth of advanced material delivered . Always

in simple yet universal, and spiritual form that is given in just the first

two sessions. For me who has studied Jyotish for many years, (I think it is

about 6!!) and attended many SJC conferences worldwide,

.......................It is a Godsend!!

>

> The reason is, is that JIVA finally puts all that golden knowledge into

conscious order!! Willa, who delivers the course , is very thorough by

nature, and she has managed to work ,work and work with the JIVA team , on

guruji's dictims until the order is refined and defined. The Guna and

Tattwas take precedence, so the more universal leads , Samashti to the

Vyashti NOT the other way around as in so many other courses available today

in vedic astrology. This is the true direction of jyotish, as it establishes

Advaita from the beginning and then differentiates. It is also why the

actual presence of your teacher will be much more easily effective. Somehow

some gift from the Rishis has blessed JIVA, as i have found deep and

conscious learning taking place, despite the distance. Sanjay and his JIVA

team seem to have achieved almost the impossible, as every subtle gap in my

knowledge is being nourished to reveal deep understanding beneath. We are up

to session 3 and planets have not yet been covered!! Session two included

Panchanga, with the play of Tattwas and gunas amongst vara, Tithi,

nakshatra, Yoga and Karana.!!

>

> Some may ask how can this be beginner material?

> Well the Rishis have the last word, as I found all the students keeping up

with Guruji on our weekend conference call!!

> It also means all the conscious study that everyone on this list and

others , have done has helped bring this great fruit of the tradition into

being!! JIVA is a whole new impulse for SJC and it is a very great credit to

those who have gone before, and those with it today. Already I have

reccomended the course to other students, and they too have enroled and come

under the care of its impulse. When you study on your own, so far away, it

is not always easy to keep the BIG picture and Guruji's shakti in view. JIVA

does this with its structure, its content, and its delivery. Even the On

line Powerpoint displays follow the same flow of consciousness, and a

student can replay the lecture, whilst pulling up all his charts that

promote a question. Yes, there are some advantages of this modern age! But

for me the real test came when i listened to Guruji on the conference call.

( 1:30am NZlocal time, Kali's hour) I heard the questions and the

understanding from beginner students from all around the world.It was

breathtaking!! As Sanjay being Sanjay delivered a brilliant explaination of

guna and dharma, that I am STILL thinking about, yet one student clicked

with instantly!!

>

> I hope those of you who read this, know of keen spiritual learners of

Jyotish that need this foundation grounding, and will reccomend JIVA. By

doing this you are honouring not only Guruji, and SJC but the Rishi's that

have so clearly been the vidya behind it.

>

> May Jagannath continue to Bless Our studies

> In grateful thanks,

>

> Rosemary Innes-Jones

> SJC New Zealand

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