On Ayanamshas ... (an old message from Raman Suprajarama)

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Dear Members,

 

I generally avoid cross-posting, but I came across this message

thread on one of the archives and thought it would be of interest to

those who were interested in Raman ayanamsha and the recent posting

here.

 

RR

 

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"Raman Suprajarama" <>

Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:18 am

RE: [jyotish-vani] Re: Rao-Raman Ayanamsa

 

I will definitely write about it sometime.

 

Raman Suprajarama

 

 

rohiniranjan [jyotish_vani]

Monday, March 28, 2005 8:58 PM

jyotish-vani

[jyotish-vani] Re: Rao-Raman Ayanamsa

 

 

 

Thank you so much, for this valuable information. If you are willing,

I and others would love to hear more details about the following:

"The Raman Ayanamsa was actually given by revered grandfather. He had

narrated to me on how he went about finding the value."

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

jyotish-vani, "Raman Suprajarama"

<...> wrote:

> The Ayanamsa used by Prof. Rao was very much near to Raman Ayanamsa

but not

> exactly the same. There is a difference of about 7-16 minutes. The

Raman

> Ayanamsa was actually given by revered grandfather. He had narrated

to me on

> how he went about finding the value.

>

> I will, however, try to get more charts prepared by Prof. Rao and

earlier

> members of the family.

>

> Raman Suprajarama

>

>

> rohiniranjan [jyotish_vani@h...]

> Monday, March 28, 2005 7:48 PM

> jyotish-vani

> [jyotish-vani] Re: Rao-Raman Ayanamsa

>

>

>

> Thank you so much for kindly sharing this. This also means that the

> so called Raman Ayanamsha was really Pre-Raman.

>

> Yukteshwar in his Holy Science quotes an astronomical book (I

assume

> a panchaang or ephemeris) and gives a value for a certain epoch.

> People then began calling it the 'Yukteshwar' ayanamsha.

>

> I am really curious about knowing the source of the Rao-Raman

> ayanamsha that has been used in your family for so long. It seems

to

> have ancient origins, perhaps a family parampara or similar.

>

> Thanks for any help you can give in solving this.

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vani, "Raman Suprajarama"

> <...> wrote:

> > Dear Rohini Rajan,

> >

> > You had earlier asked me as to what Ayanamsa revered Prof. B. S.

> Rao was

> > using. I collected a few horoscopes he had cast, and found out

that

> the

> > Ayanamsa he used was almost equal to Raman Ayanamsa.

> >

> > Hope this information helps you.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Raman Suprajarama

 

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, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Something I wrote several years ago which might be of interest to

> some of the readers here ...

>

> "Swami Yukteshwar Giri in his 1894 work referred to contemporary

> astronomical books (presumably ephemeris or panchangs without

> specifying which) gave the value of ayanamsha as 20 deg 54 min and

36

> sec for the spring equinox of 1894 and identified AD 499 as the

year

> of coincidence of the two zodiacs. He obviously used a value of 54

> sec per year for the annual motion of ayanamsha precession. Modern

> astrophysics attributes a value of approximately 50.25 to 50.3

> seconds for this quantity (the annual motion of precession of

> equinoxes is not a constant term and varies over time in a

gradually

> cyclical manner). Now, if we divide 20d 54m 36s (=75276 sec; the

> value of ayanamsha at vernal equinox of 1894) by 50.28, we get a

> value very close to the year 397 which is the year of coincidence

> recommended by Dr. B.V. Raman in late 1930s. In 1999, Raman's

> ayanamsha gives positions of planets that are about 6 minutes

ahead

> of Yukteshwar's because of the 3-4 seconds annual differences in

the

> values of annual motion adopted since 1894. This is a minor

> difference and the similarity in values for these two ayanamshas

> recommended by these two stalwarts separated by almost fifty to

> sixty years is simply remarkable. I am not aware of nor have I

read

> anywhere if Prof. Raman's ayanamsha was inspired by the value given

> by Shri Yukteshwar Giri and was perhaps independently derived by

the

> Late eminent Prof. Raman.

>

> For those individuals who use the Yukteshwar ayanamsha option in

> their jyotish software, it would be advisable to check if the value

> of ayanamsha turns out to be 20d 54m 36s for vernal equinox of 1894

> (March 21/22). Fine tuning of the software value, if permitted, to

> bring it to that quoted by Swami Giri would be helpful. Please note

> that a minor difference of a minute or less would not introduce a

> significant error, so there is absolutely no need to agonize over

> minor discrepancies. The inaccurate birth time in most cases would

> wipe out any super-precise corrections, anyway!

>

> Horoscopes of celebrities are often used as "proof" for this or

that

> ayanamsha. There are obviously questions that exist around the

> accuracy of such birth data, but there is another factor to note.

> Celebrities have attained a large degree of success in a field and

> their horoscopes would strongly and in more ways than onc indicate

> this. Often there are multiple indicators or factors in such

charts

> and this can actually reduce the usefulness of these charts for

> precisely examining cut-offs for ayanamsha and other astrological

> parameters like these. Given the multiplicity of factors, one may

> arrive at similar outcomes using different ayanamshas etc. In

> contrast the charts of ordinary individuals are "cleaner" and more

> likely to give a definitive and unambiguous answer. I suggest that

> you use these charts for your ayanamsha or other research. Another

> problem with celebrity charts is the fact of their private and real

> persona and what we know about them. And, this will not be

resolved

> merely by looking at the arudha alone as has been sometimes

stated.

> Furthermore, using too many techniques and too many dashas while

> fixing the workable value of ayanamsha can be confounding rather

than

> clarifying, so it is best to use the barely necessary set of rules

> and proceed from there and to come back to the chart if the

research

> goes nowhere and to start with a few more rules, etc. Some of the

> rules also sound very precise but a little bit of reflection will

> show that they are as clear as mud. Narasimha Rao illustrates this

> with a very telling example in his recent book on an integrated

> approach to jyotish (Sagar Publications), by describing a formula

> describing airy lagnas and transit of venus in certain positions

> which ends up in describing that marriage of people born in airy

> lagnas can take place when venus transits any of the 12 signs in

> zodiac!"

>