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Rishi,

 

To the list of adjectives, I would like to add perplexing,

flummoxing, intriguing, and also illuminating!

 

Ayanamsha, often made out to be the only make or break king pin is

really not so. The following list of varialbles that interact and

sometimes hijack the bottom line, is but a start:

 

Parallax corrected moon or geocentric moon (most ephemeris,

software): the difference can be upto nearly 2 degrees and depending

on the direction (mathematically) it can have an additive or

subtractive (nullifying) effect.

 

The dasha year duration -- a minor component but can add up and hence

must be tested only in older individuals. Years that have been

examined and recommended (based on what software supports based on

userbase recommendations -- and generally these are recommendations

from Master jyotishis, scholars and teachers of repute) include the

synodic, solar, lunar, savana etc year durations (327 to 365d)

 

The annual rate of precession. It varies, very slowly over large

period of time and so may not be a critical factor but the value

quoted by Yukteshwar in The Holy Science was 54" constant per annum.

Based on what I have read, Yukteshwar just quotes a value in the book

(the holy science, from which started the "Yukteshwar" ayanamsha)

based on some "astronomical books". Obviously some panchangs used by

him. Without meaning any disrespect, we have nothing to indicate that

Yukteshwarji, though enamoured by astrology and amulets and remedies,

was not an astronomer or even jyotishi himself. Why else would he

recommend Yogananda to ask the jyotishis to prescribe an amulet or

something. Why did Yukteshwar not prescribe it himself? His words are

very clear and it is the people who saw more than there was in

Swamiji's statements. One fellow over the years actually tried to

convince me that he has found some secret writings of Yukteshwar in a

trunk in the possession of Swamiji's relatives. The internet person

was lamenting that he can only read bengali a bit and he has scanned

images of Yukteshwarji's writings. Having faith in his sincerity, I

offered to help him out since I can read Bengali/Bangla. I am still

waiting to hear back from him nearly seven years since I wrote him

last. Maybe he is under sadesathi so I will wait for another six

months and finally receive the 'Truth'! And I was not even wee bit

sarcastic with him, Rishi. In fact I wonder if that was one of the

last straws that broke this camel's back! Nah! Can't be something so

trivial!!

 

Additional factors include bhava vs rashi, use of multiple dashas

(goodness of fit paradigm), nakshatras and other considerations.

 

The ideal test as claimed seems to be when given one dasha, the

ayanamsha should line up the events with planets/karakas/rulers

directly with no transliteration involved (dispositor of this,

nakshatra lord of that, varga lord of thaat ... etc).

 

I really want someone to show us that golden gate -- although I would

like to see someone enter that first, particularly the individual who

is promising a phase-shift as soon as we cross the energy-line or

some other threshold <tongue in cheek!>

 

I am very patient for I am in no hurry. I know I shall return, again

and again, so no anxiety to get it all here and now. Very early on, I

learned the joy that is in exploring -- which can be actually more

blissful than in finding! The closest analogy is the journey of

living ending in death! If that is true and analogous, then like

death, the moment of finding is our incontrovertible destiny! But do

humans go through the joy of living just to die?

 

Makes sense??

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Pratap,

> Ayanamsha has been a contentious issue amongst most learned of the

> astrologers too.Mostly , the ayanamsha named as Chitrapaksha or

> Lahiri ayanamsha is followed which was approved by the Indian

> Government as a part of Rashtriya Panchang. There are several other

> ayanamshas too including the Raman ayanamsha quite commonly used.

> Most of these are within plus minus 3 degress of the Lahiri value.

> Tarun Chopra claims an ayanamsa 12 degrees away from Lahiri.

> It is again a personal experience of his.

> regards

> rishi

>

>

>

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am also a student following your discussions about bhav all

> day. If you allow me to pose a new question...

> >

> > I have come across just recently a new ayamansa proposed by

> Tarun Chopra who claims with some proof that his ayamansa is most

> accurate compared to the one's in use in present time. Everyone

> knows, that accurate predictions depends on precise horoscope and

> dasa calculations. If you investigate, you will find that Chopra's

> ayamansa produces significantly different charts and dasas.

> >

> > Has anyone on this list investigated Tarun Chopra's proposal ?

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > Actually, I digressed, I am glad that Surya speaks from his

> experiences.

> > Your reply about spherical trigonometry made me look at another

> point

> > which has been there in the back of my mind. I am, however, sadly

> > lacking in personally experienced positions, just a beginner in

> this

> > ocean of astrology. Doesn't stop me from imagining fancy

conceptual

> > designs! Thanks for tolerating the kids on the block regards

rishi

> > br>, "crystal pages"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Perhaps, Rishi, but the clincher would in the end must be --

But,

> > > does it?

> > >

> > > The original poster (Surya) has discovered that in his

experience

> > > bhava works better than rashi (or something like that). I have

no

> > > problem with his personally experience position in that matter.

> Do

> > > you? :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > rishi_2000in@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > And then the converse should also hold good, if in a part,

> letus

> > > say

> > > > the navamsha, a 180 degree difference exists it can get

> transposed

> > > > to a 20 degree difference in the rashi chart, it actually

> happens

> > > in

> > > > calculations.

> > > > Logically, then the interpretations of a seventh house

> relationship

> > > > in navamsh should also be an interpretation for the

> > > > 20/60/100/140/180/220/260/300/340 in the rashi chart?

> > > > Your personal opinion sought,

> > > > regards

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishi,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are asking my personal opinion then it has been

> simple:

> > > The

> > > > > planetary system bears a remarkable resemblance to the

> structure

> > > of

> > > > > an atom as science understands it. As above, so below. The

> parts

> > > > must

> > > > > follow the pattern on which the whole is based. The progeny

> must

> > > > bear

> > > > > resemblance to the progenitor.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, the truth as I see it may not be everyone's truth -

-

> and

> > > I

> > > > > try not to get in their way! Why else would the map be made

> so

> > > > > complicated and so many paths to the same end-goal. I never

> > > > question

> > > > > that! After all I am not paying for the petrol!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tell me, Sir, when we delve in varga charts aren't we

again

> > > > > > mathematically fine tuning the zodiac particularly in

> inter-

> > > > > planetary

> > > > > > relationship?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Congratulations! You are at the last stop and only one

> > > > > uncertainty

> > > > > > > remains, unless I misunderstood what you were saying.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually, assuming that I did not (misunderstand), you

> sound

> > > > > quite

> > > > > > > strongly positive that you have indeed experienced in

> your

> > > > > studies

> > > > > > > that bhava chart seems to yield a truer picture of human

> > > > > experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is wonderful because now you are on firmer grounds.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhava represents dividing the zodiac in a more

> geotopically

> > > > > precise

> > > > > > > and geotopically relevant perspective. This is exactly

> what

> > > > > > motivated

> > > > > > > western/tropical astrologers to fine-tune and devise

more

> > > than

> > > > a

> > > > > > > dozen unequal divisions, each with a mathematical

> > > > justification.

> > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > so many? One would ask!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The sripati paddhati is an averaging system, because it

> > > > trisects

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > reference points and gets three house cusps and then

> three

> > > > more.

> > > > > > Some

> > > > > > > of the other unequal divisions (e.g., Placidius used by

> > > > > > > Krishnamurthi, Regiomontanus, Campanus, Zenith, East

> Point

> > > and

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > others that I used to remember in my young days but

> haven't

> > > > > looked

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > in a few decades now) have more rigorous principles of

> > > > spherical

> > > > > > > trigonometry applied to those.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Once you have broken beyond the whole sign and equal

> house

> > > mind-

> > > > > set

> > > > > > > why stop at Sripati and not forge ahead further?

Internet

> > > must

> > > > be

> > > > > > > full of details about how to calculate those etc. and

> you can

> > > > > rely

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > books by Meeus and Peter Duffett-Smith and the now

> probably

> > > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > print manual of mathematical programming for

astrologers

> by

> > > > > Michael

> > > > > > > Erlewine and many many other references.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you ask, you will get umpteen opinions, which will

at

> the

> > > > best

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > satisfy you, and at the worst, confuse you and create

> doubts

> > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > mind. Doing and experiencing it directly is the way and

> you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > already embarked on that path, it seems.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bravo and keep up the good pace!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , surya vishnu

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Junta!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Been working on my astrology skills on the to follow

> the

> > > > > > > discussions on the group better ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The last stop being the significance of Bhava chart Vs

> > > > Rashi

> > > > > > > charts ... a thought occured to me that one of the

> reason why

> > > > > > > predictions go wrong is probably because the planet

> positions

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > Bhava chart are different from the ones on Rashi charts?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyone who can throw light on this subject will be

> warmly

> > > > > > > appreciated ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Per what I could understand, I realise that Rashi

chart

> > > is

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > as long as u want to understand hte placement of a

> planet in

> > > a

> > > > > > > particular Rashi ... however Bhava chart is more

accurate

> > > when

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > related issues are to be judged ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In particular cases that I have seen (not extensive)

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th house for Virgo ascendant was expected to give a

male

> > > > > child ..

> > > > > > > however in Bhava chart Jupiter slipped back to 4th

house

> and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > person involved has a female child for first issue ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my own case, I have an exhalted Rahu in 11th house

> of

> > > > > Virgo

> > > > > > > for scorpio ascendant ... however Rahu shifts to 12th

> house

> > > on

> > > > > > Bhava

> > > > > > > chart .. and Moon/Rahu sub dasa has been a mixed

baggage

> as

> > > > > > expected

> > > > > > > from Rahu in 12th house, it has however given me my

> spiritual

> > > > > > > perceptor (moon being 9th lord in 2nd) and fairly

decent

> land

> > > > > > > possessions .. so the exhaltation of Rahu seems to stand

> > > > however,

> > > > > > > Bhava chart seems to be more accurate as to what the

> planet

> > > is

> > > > to

> > > > > > > deliver ....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have seen quite a few horoscopes in hte last few

> months

> > > > and

> > > > > > > realised that bhava is very important for

> predictions ....

> > > but

> > > > > what

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am struggling ot understand is the amount of importance

> to be

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > to each of these charts in both understanding the chart

> as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > making predictions of any accuracy ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > Surya.

> > > > > > > >

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