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arjun ji namaskar using word leader is not fair as u quote so many puranas in ur

writing why not use word pitahmah insted i will take with pride , raj k

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend

 

there cannot be one way restraint. for the service we are doing

here, we dont need a pat on our back but we wont tolerate a slap on

our cheek that too by a member who behaves as if he is the owner of

the group.

 

in one mail he says parrots are better than POT BELLIED PANDITS.

does he mean all pandits (astrologers) are pot bellied.

 

the group homepage clearly says "no sarcasm". but most of the mails

of RR are full of sarcasm.

 

the only objective of my posting these observations is that "LET ONE

MEMBER DOES NOT BEHAVE LIKE A JUDGE OF THIS GROUP".

 

i again request tanvir ji to issue an order that ALL MEMBERS MUST

NOT CRITICISE OTHERS and sarcasm is not allowed and tolerated. that

way the group can attract more light of jupiter and spread the same.

 

with best wishes and regards

arjun

 

, srinivasa murthy adavi

<smadavi wrote:

>

> Respected Honourable members of the Forum,

>

> Request for showing restraint in the issue involving Respected

Sri RohiniRanjanji.The moot point is since the controversy started

involving the extraneous usage of the forum against the intended

founding objectives and the same has been pointed by me ,though Sri

RohiniRanjanji got peeved initially(it'squite natural) ,it has been

observed that he started to take initiatives towards fruitful

contributions viz astro analysis and astroknowlege topics.The moot

point here is if a person is willing to change when certain

personality percieved negative traits are pointed out,then it's duty

of the fellow gentlemen to give time and requisite environment for

the same.Particularly when the person involved is highly

knowledgeable and well versed in the said sastraas ,it's natural

sometimes(even people like us) to do some fallacies in behavioural

attitudes/traits.The gentle language bordering on request used in

criticising him by me ,thought at first might have caused heartburn

(quite natural

> for a standing of such a personality) being criticised by a

person like me much younger to him in age and knowledge of

jyotish.But there's no doubt his later actions were positive to

great degree.

> For Prashantkumarji's rare jester of using 'Hinglish' was

pointed out by Sri RRji and the initial mail of RRji was a gentle

admonition but certainly not a severe criticism.But due to some

unfortunate circumstances the later mails have lead to chain

reaction of polemics.

> If the members feel that the above inferences/expressions(as i

was also a member who criticised SriRRji) are justified ,then my

kind request to resume for continuing the noble objectives of the

forum.Kind request to take an occasional jest/criticism among forum

contributors(who're rendering free service for the benefit of us) in

right spirit.Please remember to confine such 'pepups' among the

contributors as they're supposed to have certain mental equanimity

whereas most of the querents doesn't have as most of the querents

come for getting relief from their suffering and their mental state

when they approach the forum will be in depressive mood.

> Regards

> Srinivas

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> Dear Sreenadh ji

>

> am taking the liberty of answering your mail, for i have some

facts

> supported by previous mails in the group.

>

> albeit tanvir ji is the group owner, he has always given 100%

> freedom to ALL MEMBERS in expressing thier thoughts. however, in

> the last few months, RR ji has started criticising each and every

> member directly or indirectly. in some cases when suffering

> querents approach the forum seeking answers or remdies, he gave

them

> sermons without giving any suggestions or warnings. RR ji also

> stated at least in ten different mails that according to him,

these

> groups or suggestions in these groups to querents are useless. the

> thread on mr. govind sethia's request of knowing whether he gets a

> son after having two daughters is worth reading, as he was

> brainwashed by few members on killing female children.

>

> once i requested the group owner objecting against cross posting

> from few members. my objection was only that the original poster

> who is not present here shall also get a chance to respond. then

RR

> ji issued a statement that such gaps are net realities which we

have

> to live with.

>

> RR ji can criticise any member in any mail and all shall keep

quiet

> including the group owner. but if any other member criticise RR

ji,

> RR ji quickly says "if you have a problem with me or my messages,

> dont read them". because of his ownership approach once i

commented

> that RR ji is the (un)disputed leader of this group to which RR ji

> instead of defending or responding himself on his own he shouted

for

> help, help, help. he wrote dozen mails saying that i publicly

> insulted him. since two or three more members observed that RR ji

> felt insulted, even though there was nothing wrong in my obsering

> him as a disputed/undisputed leader of this group, i apologised.

> even after the apology, he shouts for action against me. is this

> the behaviour of a person with decades of learning that too

towards

> the fraternity.

>

> RR ji always takes dig at other mails but expect no other member

to

> respond freely and express thier views about him. also RR and two

> other members used this group for sending hundreds of mails in

> between themselves with one word or one line without any

> sambodhana. most of them looked like a private chatroom. but the

> group owner had no obection to it.

>

> as for myself, i renounced my family, job and comforts and have

been

> deeply into meditation and further learning of divine sciences.

> myself, krishnan ji and ashutosh ji used to answer most queries

> here. there are many great astrologers who also contribute on a

> daily basis. however, after several professional astrologers took

> my free service for their paid customers and in that process i

lost

> lot of my energies, i reduced my free reading and instead started

> sharing whatever little i know and learn as much as i can.

>

> in the midst of all this, the querents keep visiting and more and

> more learnt astrologers like you are joining the group to answer

the

> queries as well as sharing their knowledge.

>

> god is really great and great are the miracles of god.

>

> my public request to RR ji and the group owner is that if RR ji

has

> a right to dig at every one, each member shall also have the right

> to dig at him. let freedom of criticism be available to all or

let

> no one criticise one another. i think it is time the group owner

> sends a directive to all members to stop criticising or digging at

> another and use proper sambodhana while writing mails and give due

> respect to other members, if they expect respect from others.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

>

> , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR ji,

> > >'the present point of power' ???!!!!

> > That makes me ask my long felt doubt! As I know it,

>

> > is a group formed around March 2003. It had a mail strength of 2

> > mails approx per day then, which grown up to 20 mails per day by

> the

> > end of that year. Now by April 2005 it receives an awesome 45

> mails

> > per day!! It supports a reader community of 4810 members!!

> > You become an imposing presence in this group only after May

> 2004.

> > Another 2 groups (may be your own) that I find your strong

present

> > are jyotish-vani which started around Sep 2002 but get a mere

> below 1

> > mail per day average, and the crystal_pages group (started in

Sep

> > 2002) for which the mail average is a very low 1 mail in 10

> days.

> > This all leads to the conclusion that the main credit for the

> > popularity of this group goes to long standing members like

Tanvir

> > ji, vattem krishnan ji, Arjun ji, Anil VSNL, deepak_vishnu,

> Prashant

> > Kumar G B, tatvam asi and many more, yes of course your

> contribution

> > should also be valued.

> > When I joined this group, I felt that this group is owned by

you,

> > rather than by anybody else, seeing that supervising statements,

> that

> > exalted feelings etc. But at this juncture I am seeing that

> everybody

> > including well reputed Arjun ji is requesting Tanvir ji to step

in

> > and take proper action against you!!

> > RR ji, will you clarify one thing - Are you the group owner, or

> is

> > it Tanvir ji? If it is you, or Tanvir, I have no objections, but

> > would just like to know, who it is. Yes, the statement -

> > >'the present point of power' ???!!!!

> > makes me think that it is you yourself. If it is so, please

tell

> > these people/crowd that, they shouldn't make these much noise

> against

> > the group owner, since he is the supreme power, who got all

> rights.

> > If it is not you, I am really confused...Which side to stand

> > with...You know, I would always like to stand with the weak..

> > If you are the group owner, you may block me... I don't know…

you

> > know, it is really difficult to predict in such things... But

> if

> > you love astrology, for its own cause, then you won't and all of

> us

> > will continue enjoy the harmonious relationship here.

> > Sorry...It is an astrological forum, and I shouldn't write a

> mail

> > without any astrological content in it, so the 2 cents:

> >

> > Dear srinivasa murthy ji

> > The true nature of a Sign/House/Bhava/Planet is inherent in it.

> So

> > it is wrong to ask "When that nature will come into effect". For

> > example, If a person is peace loving by nature it does not mean

> that

> > he will NEVER become angry or talk against somebody. If a girl

is

> > born in Aries sign, by nature he will feel attracted towards a

boy

> > born of Leo or Scorpio. But it does not say that, they will

never

> > have a quarrel or that the affection will continue throughout

the

> > life or the like. It depends on several other factors such as

> > environment, deep understanding of each others merits and

> interests,

> > temporary developments, mutual emotional attachment and help,

> > compaction towards humanity, love for knowledge, interests in

> similar

> > subjects, job for livelihood, aim in life etc etc. yes, a

> thousands

> > of factors may influence/affect the relation between a male and

> > female, or 2 males, or 2 females born in Vasya signs. It is

better

> to

> > understand the deep rooted nature of Sign/House/Bhava/Planet and

> > temporary effects they provide based on Yoga,Dasa and Gochara

> > separately.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > The comment I made about the effort and medium etc., was a

> > > view/opinion not a suggested house rule to be imposed in the

> > group :-)

> > >

> > > I love 'here and now', 'the present point of power' as Seth

> stated

> > > through Jane Roberts ...

> > >

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > That was a pretty good mail!! I really appreciate it! The

> only

> > > point

> > > > I find little objectionable is the statement -

> > > > > That kind of investment of time and efforts are better

> > justified

> > > > > in articles and books and not forum messages.

> > > > We are nobody to decide that!! Let those who post those

long

> > well-

> > > > organized messages think of that. Others can just enjoy the

> > fruits

> > > of

> > > > that effort. It is upto them.

> > > > > I was surprised when you took it a bit personally .....

> > > > Phew.........! I never even thought like that! You are

> > accusing

> > > > me!! Don't worry. I am just feeling happy after reading

> this

> > > long

> > > > and very good mail.

> > > > Ok. Till now I never took anything personally and never

> intend

> > to

> > > > do. But still, even after being an astrologer, I can not

> comment

> > > what

> > > > the future holds in such small issues..you know It

entirely

> > > > depends on the situations and the statements put forward.

> You

> > > know

> > > > the saints ask us to "live in the momentHERE and NOW" )

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > My personal view in this matter is that, yes -- this is

> > primarily

> > > > an

> > > > > astrology forum so astrology should be discussed,

> > predominantly.

> > > > > Astrology can be served here in the following ways:

> > > > > Readings - preferably with explanations but not

necessarily

> so.

> > > The

> > > > > problem with explanations arises because those can be

> > potentially

> > > > > confusing to beginners since people used different

> ayanamshas,

> > > > > different sets of rules and interpretations, different

dasha

> > > > systems

> > > > > and so on. Moreover, a full astrological delineation needs

> many

> > > > factors

> > > > > to be considered and writing those out fully takes time.

> That

> > > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > investment of time and efforts are better justified in

> articles

> > > and

> > > > > books and not forum messages. Giving sketchy mentions of a

> few

> > > > factors

> > > > > or considerations is incomplete and less than useful --

but

> > that

> > > is

> > > > not

> > > > > to control what anyone wishes to share.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology can also be served by sharing findings,

research,

> > > > > illustrations all of which are educational. Tatvamasi ji's

> > recent

> > > > > sharing, the beautiful elaborations coming from you about

> Vasya

> > > > factor

> > > > > are recent examples of such efforts. Reading such full

> messages

> > > as

> > > > > yours and Tatvamasiji's gives such pleasure that can only

> > compare

> > > > with

> > > > > a beautifully prepared and nourishing meal. Who

> needs 'snacks'

> > > > after

> > > > > such a meal? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there would be other discussions too, some

> intended,

> > > > others

> > > > > not. I will give a recent example. When you first posted

the

> > > > message

> > > > > about vasya, I felt that this was interesting and I should

> > probe

> > > a

> > > > bit

> > > > > more because the paradox of both neecha and uchcha playing

> in

> > the

> > > > > phenomenon of attraction was interesting, intriguing and

> > > > perplexing. I

> > > > > was surprised when you took it a bit personally and we

> drifted

> > > into

> > > > the

> > > > > discussion about correlations, logical connections and so

> on.

> > The

> > > > > purpose was not to tease the words or their connotations

etc

> > > > because

> > > > > this is not a literary forum and neither of us are

literary

> > > > experts.

> > > > > But you are a genuinely happy and mature person and began

> > sharing

> > > > the

> > > > > information about astrology. I feel my role however tiny

in

> > this

> > > > > process of birth of knowledge was well worth!

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology is not a dry technical topic. It has the role of

> > being

> > > an

> > > > > almost universal descriptor of the entire range of human

> > > > experience.

> > > > > Sometimes we need to examine and analyse the effects

before

> > > > describing

> > > > > them. A lot in astrology is subject to interpretation and

to

> > some

> > > > > extent fuzzy. Things can be explained this way, and

> explained

> > > > another

> > > > > way as well. Hence, it is good to exercise our

> discriminatory

> > > > abilities

> > > > > positively. It would be the ideal day when astrologers

would

> > > accept

> > > > and

> > > > > welcome challenges and questions and not automatically go

in

> > the

> > > > > defensive or take those personally. I am sure most of us

are

> > more

> > > > > secure than that. You have been a shining example of that

> with

> > > your

> > > > > postings lately.

> > > > >

> > > > > As to aspertions and allegations of my talking about

topics

> > other

> > > > than

> > > > > astrology -- well, as someone posted -- I am not breaking

> any

> > > > rules.

> > > > > Someone may feel that since this is Jyotish_remedies,

> > discussions

> > > > > should only be about remedies or whatever. Over the years

I

> > feel

> > > > secure

> > > > > in saying that I have written extensively about astrology

> > > directly

> > > > and

> > > > > indirectly all over the place, on paper, in cyberspace and

> will

> > > > > continue to write if God wants me to. Those who know that

> and

> > > have

> > > > read

> > > > > some of what I wrote have generally been appreciative.

But,

> I

> > rub

> > > > some

> > > > > individuals the wrong way and that is fine too. Like I

> > mentioned

> > > > > earlier, I am not here for public relations or for

elevating

> my

> > > > > profile. I am fully aware of my imperfections and I can

see

> > > > > imperfections in others too. So much for this Ego label

that

> > some

> > > > > individuals blame me for. If my image is coming across

like

> > that,

> > > > what

> > > > > can I do? I will not go silent just because certain

> individuals

> > > > wish so.

> > > > >

> > > > > To the dispassionate bystander/observer, this might seem

as

> the

> > > > > messenger being attacked for bringing a challenging

message,

> as

> > > > well as

> > > > > the other couple of adages I referred to earlier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Though I should state clearly my position in all this. I

> have

> > > > requested

> > > > > individuals from not reading my postings if they are

> constantly

> > > > > irritated by what I write or how I write. There also seems

> to

> > be

> > > > > developing a mindset that somehow, in this public forum

with

> so

> > > > many

> > > > > writers and members, there should be some control over the

> > > content

> > > > etc.

> > > > > How will that ever be possible? Why should it even be

done?

> > > Public

> > > > > expression must remain free and if it creates some

dissonant

> > > views

> > > > and

> > > > > some verbal altercations, that is not so bad. It actually

is

> > good

> > > > to

> > > > > see some passion in jyotishis and to evoke where it is

> > remaining

> > > > under

> > > > > the wraps for one reason or another. If I have served a

role

> in

> > > > being

> > > > > the catalyst, I have served an important role!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Sreenadh"

> <sreesog@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > After seeing the Hindlish English controversy and many

> > > previous

> > > > > mails,

> > > > > > I feel like asking, is it a forum that share and promote

> > > > astrological

> > > > > > knowledge or one in which every message gets a (non-

> > > astrological)

> > > > > > journalistic criticism by the newspaper editor critic.

> > > > > > PS: No offence intended. Just making a simple friendly

> > comment.

> > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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dear friend

 

now this is a closed chaper and serves no purpose in exhuming it.

 

so, as we are doing, let us move on to astrology and also to know the

truth or reality i.e. god.

 

with best wishes

arjun

with best wishes, kumar kumar

<kumar07306 wrote:

>

> arjun ji namaskar using word leader is not fair as u quote so many

puranas in ur writing why not use word pitahmah insted i will take

with pride , raj k

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arjun ji just humour sometimes we silent members need, after exuastive reading ,

take it easy takecare godbless raj k.

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend

 

now this is a closed chaper and serves no purpose in exhuming it.

 

so, as we are doing, let us move on to astrology and also to know the

truth or reality i.e. god.

 

with best wishes

arjun

with best wishes, kumar kumar

<kumar07306 wrote:

>

> arjun ji namaskar using word leader is not fair as u quote so many

puranas in ur writing why not use word pitahmah insted i will take

with pride , raj k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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