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[Guest guest]

Dear Arjunji.

 

I am retaining some part of of your reply here and will add some comments and

get the record straight

 

I hope you can recall the statement of George Bush jr that the war on terror

is the start of the 3rd millenniums crusade to which the Islamic world took

exceptions....but doesn't mind its followers using Jihad day in and day out.

 

how did the word Jihad come into being is well documented by a BBC documentary

on CRUSADES

 

for the record ti is the Church that set the sword wielding might to spread

the message of a peaceful Christ's message they massacred millions of people

across Europe, Africa, parts of Asia.

and Many Islamic states were burnt with devotees in mosques, palaces or

markets by the overzealous CHURCH

WE ARE ALL AWARE THAT THE chair of the Pope was of a CHAKRAVARTHY OR Central

Monarch of Europe, all they plundered is still visible in the Vatican till

date.

 

in one summer there was a single eyed man called Sala-Uddin who in broad

daylight in RAMZAN STARTED EATING food when they are superposed to fast,

outraged fellow devotees nearly mauled him and he creied Halt and drew their

attention to the mindless crusades the massacre of innocent Muslims across the

world if this is not provoking them the same way as he is breaking the fast.

this led to the central command and formed the COUNTER TO CRUSADES (war to

propagate Christianity) called it Jihad the war to preserve Islam.

BUT IN THE PROCESS THEY HAD MUCH MORE VIOLENCE BLOODSHED DAMAGE TO THE WORLD

ORDER, raped Innocent women, killed as many as hey could and Chengiz Khan's

exploits are well documented.

 

the church according to a Panorama program on BBC was show an African asking

what has it given Africa other than civil war, disease and poverty a rich

continent till Europe discovered it looted all its wealth, vegetation and

replaced it with civil ware and diseases.

 

so we can safely say what the crusades sowed they are reaping and it Is a

chain reaction on and on.

 

 

BUT SANER WISDOM MUST PREVAIL AND ALL VIOLENCE MSUT END FOR AMM SIDES AND a

spirit of live and let live prevail, if civilisation is to survive we must sink

differences. Buddhism is the strongest moral force its teachigns of the 8th

fold path relevant for all times to come.

People from Bharatha Varsha, or arya vartha never attacked or colonised any

place, forget what the British and Max Mulkler had to say they had their own

agenda to divide and rule it wa never our real history at least that Aryans

invaded and chased away Dravidans.

 

Aryans chineese, Mesopatioan, Mexican's Maya all have some inventions,

discoveries what did Dravidans have to show to be loted, plundered or driven

off. no emperor from Europe, or Mugha or any period cross and rule in so called

dravidan state TN fully why if there is anything worth to loot they would have

isn't it.

 

As The so called dravidans have the same 27 stars, 12 rasis, 9 planets, same

gods, same festivals the names are only different as i sthe case with every

language in the 850 odd languages, dialects we have in present India.

 

we need fresh thinking, research and unite our soul again the Bharata Matas

kith and kin.

 

Prashant.

 

 

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear krishnan ji

 

when you said you wonder why a saint worries for mandir-masjid, let

me tell you the facts:

 

1. dharmo rakshati rakshita is the adage to be followed by the

king.....

3. Christianity was spread across the globe with a human touch and

by liberal doling of money, education, clothing and shelter for the

poorest and neglected people in the remotest corners. so christian

missionaries and their service organisations are thriving even in

India, for their following the "karma marga" to serve the humans the

way jesus christ did. THE LESSON IS IF YOU DO SERVICE TO THE

HUMANITY, RELIGION DOES NOT MATTER AND PEOPLE WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN

ARMS.

 

According to muslims, god is formless (nirakaar). According to

christians also god is formless (nirakaar)and jesus is seen by many

as a messenger of god while few view them as son of god or god's

incarnation. According to Hindu scriptures, even while emphasising

that god is "nirakaar" they say that god is all pervading and all

permeating and takes any form or any shape and that god is there in

every form and every shape. some unrealised people believe that god

is only in this or that shape, whereas in reality he is formless and

can be found any and every where.

 

the other day a scientist customer came to me to know his chart but

asked me a question: "Sir, if several people have gone to Moon, put

their foot on the Moon, dug the moon and brought parts of Moon to

earth for testing and are constructing houses on moon and plans

afoot to make it a tourist spot, how do you believe the mythology

that moon was a god. if so, would he allow people to stand on

him". then i replied that the same way billions of humans are

living on planet earth and diggig and spoiling the earth whom we

rever as "Bhoodevi" according to hindu mythology, moon is also like

Bhoodevi and we treat all of them as gods". then he quipped saying

that if that is the case both moon and earth are just planets and

science never accept them as gods and if the entire mythology is

based on such gods, the entire mythology itself is a trash.

 

these are the thoughts coming to the minds of the learnt people

according to their own understandings. THE TRUTH OR REALITY IS THAT

THE REALITY IS ONLY ONE AND ITS UNDERSTANDINGS ARE MANY.

 

with best wishes

arjun

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Music is bhakti.Tyagraja kriti is to remind the simplicity of human

beings.The one singing and the one listening are in different worlds.The

meaning as well as the melody has a different

significance. The same is the case with Bhakta puranadara das and

Annamacharya.Sant Tukaram and Meera bai popularised our Itihasas and

other classicals to become part of every day life.

 

 

Prashant

 

 

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{Om Namo Narayanaya}

Dear Prashantji,

What You say makes sense. Hinduism is focused on Satwa, does not

believe in force or impose anything on anyone. Whereas the other

religions have based their teachings on abandoning your own and

embracing theirs. I had a help at home who was a christian, who

refused to put the "Kolam' everyday(Rangoli every morning} as she

said she is afraid of doing it, incurring the wrath of God etc..

While I had no objection of her going to church every sunday, bring

back the offerings from there she was adamant. Why is it that the

element of religiousness borders on fanaticism? Though Christ was an

epitome of compassion, sacrifice and love , the propagators of the

religion are strangely diverse. I could see them flocking the

tsunami affected seasides in Chennai, seeking to convert whatever

remained. In fact 90% of the fisherfolk devastated were christians.

Dose nature spare religion. Ultimately God wants his children to

know him as He is, if it pleases you to be a christian, Muslim,

Hindu be it so. Attain him in peace not violence and bloodshed.An

interesting analogy comes to my mind, we all regularly,went to the

Malayappan of Tirumala by foot. I used to reach the padivasal in

about 3and ahalf to 4 hrs. my husband and children in about 2hr 45

mins. We all reached the summit, we did it in our way, the way we

could to the best of our efforts, everything focused on reaching Him

alone. Is that not what the Supreme intends for us , to reach him in

our own way, in our own time.Why impose that this is the only way to

reach God and that every otherway does not take you there.

Here we are hearing of the only ways to attain the Supreme? Like you

said,Why not leave it and find a way of coming together to find a

unified way of finding the true spirit of Hinduism and play our part

in restoring its Glory.

Nalini

{Om Namah Shivayah Namah Mallikarjunaya}

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Arjunji.

>

> I am retaining some part of of your reply here and will add some

comments and get the record straight

>

> I hope you can recall the statement of George Bush jr that the

war on terror is the start of the 3rd millenniums crusade to which

the Islamic world took exceptions....but doesn't mind its followers

using Jihad day in and day out.

>

> how did the word Jihad come into being is well documented by a

BBC documentary on CRUSADES

>

> for the record ti is the Church that set the sword wielding

might to spread the message of a peaceful Christ's message they

massacred millions of people across Europe, Africa, parts of Asia.

> and Many Islamic states were burnt with devotees in mosques,

palaces or markets by the overzealous CHURCH

> WE ARE ALL AWARE THAT THE chair of the Pope was of a

CHAKRAVARTHY OR Central Monarch of Europe, all they plundered is

still visible in the Vatican till date.

>

> in one summer there was a single eyed man called Sala-Uddin who

in broad daylight in RAMZAN STARTED EATING food when they are

superposed to fast, outraged fellow devotees nearly mauled him and

he creied Halt and drew their attention to the mindless crusades

the massacre of innocent Muslims across the world if this is not

provoking them the same way as he is breaking the fast.

> this led to the central command and formed the COUNTER TO

CRUSADES (war to propagate Christianity) called it Jihad the war to

preserve Islam.

> BUT IN THE PROCESS THEY HAD MUCH MORE VIOLENCE BLOODSHED DAMAGE

TO THE WORLD ORDER, raped Innocent women, killed as many as hey

could and Chengiz Khan's exploits are well documented.

>

> the church according to a Panorama program on BBC was show an

African asking what has it given Africa other than civil war,

disease and poverty a rich continent till Europe discovered it

looted all its wealth, vegetation and replaced it with civil ware

and diseases.

>

> so we can safely say what the crusades sowed they are reaping

and it Is a chain reaction on and on.

>

>

> BUT SANER WISDOM MUST PREVAIL AND ALL VIOLENCE MSUT END FOR AMM

SIDES AND a spirit of live and let live prevail, if civilisation

is to survive we must sink differences. Buddhism is the strongest

moral force its teachigns of the 8th fold path relevant for all

times to come.

> People from Bharatha Varsha, or arya vartha never attacked or

colonised any place, forget what the British and Max Mulkler had to

say they had their own agenda to divide and rule it wa never our

real history at least that Aryans invaded and chased away Dravidans.

>

> Aryans chineese, Mesopatioan, Mexican's Maya all have some

inventions, discoveries what did Dravidans have to show to be

loted, plundered or driven off. no emperor from Europe, or Mugha or

any period cross and rule in so called dravidan state TN fully why

if there is anything worth to loot they would have isn't it.

>

> As The so called dravidans have the same 27 stars, 12 rasis, 9

planets, same gods, same festivals the names are only different as

i sthe case with every language in the 850 odd languages, dialects

we have in present India.

>

> we need fresh thinking, research and unite our soul again the

Bharata Matas kith and kin.

>

> Prashant.

>

>

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear krishnan

ji

>

> when you said you wonder why a saint worries for mandir-masjid,

let

> me tell you the facts:

>

> 1. dharmo rakshati rakshita is the adage to be followed by the

> king.....

> 3. Christianity was spread across the globe with a human touch

and

> by liberal doling of money, education, clothing and shelter for

the

> poorest and neglected people in the remotest corners. so

christian

> missionaries and their service organisations are thriving even

in

> India, for their following the "karma marga" to serve the humans

the

> way jesus christ did. THE LESSON IS IF YOU DO SERVICE TO THE

> HUMANITY, RELIGION DOES NOT MATTER AND PEOPLE WELCOME YOU WITH

OPEN

> ARMS.

>

> According to muslims, god is formless (nirakaar). According to

> christians also god is formless (nirakaar)and jesus is seen by

many

> as a messenger of god while few view them as son of god or god's

> incarnation. According to Hindu scriptures, even while

emphasising

> that god is "nirakaar" they say that god is all pervading and

all

> permeating and takes any form or any shape and that god is there

in

> every form and every shape. some unrealised people believe that

god

> is only in this or that shape, whereas in reality he is formless

and

> can be found any and every where.

>

> the other day a scientist customer came to me to know his chart

but

> asked me a question: "Sir, if several people have gone to Moon,

put

> their foot on the Moon, dug the moon and brought parts of Moon

to

> earth for testing and are constructing houses on moon and plans

> afoot to make it a tourist spot, how do you believe the

mythology

> that moon was a god. if so, would he allow people to stand on

> him". then i replied that the same way billions of humans are

> living on planet earth and diggig and spoiling the earth whom we

> rever as "Bhoodevi" according to hindu mythology, moon is also

like

> Bhoodevi and we treat all of them as gods". then he quipped

saying

> that if that is the case both moon and earth are just planets

and

> science never accept them as gods and if the entire mythology is

> based on such gods, the entire mythology itself is a trash.

>

> these are the thoughts coming to the minds of the learnt people

> according to their own understandings. THE TRUTH OR REALITY IS

THAT

> THE REALITY IS ONLY ONE AND ITS UNDERSTANDINGS ARE MANY.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Music is bhakti.Tyagraja kriti is to remind the simplicity of

human beings.The one singing and the one listening are in

different worlds.The meaning as well as the melody has a different

> significance. The same is the case with Bhakta puranadara das

and

> Annamacharya.Sant Tukaram and Meera bai popularised our Itihasas

and

> other classicals to become part of every day life.

>

>

> Prashant

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Everybody is divising their own path saying that there are many ways

to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: enjoy the world in

family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or liberation.

Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The

easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any

sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now

from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was already

preached by Krishna in Gita. Nobody is neither interested to know

what was preached by Krishna nor ready to identify & learn from the

preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer illusion to conclude that our

path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'.

 

Gita says `Eka Bhakthih Vishishyate' which means that the person

having only one bond with the Lord alone is liberated. The

liberation itself means destruction of all the bonds in this world.

Without full liberation, one cannot have a strong bond with the

Lord. Unless one is completely relieved from the world, one cannot

join God. The joining report in the new institution is not possible

without complete relief from the previous institution. You cannot

partially join the new institution. It cannot be a side employment.

Ofcourse such partial bond can be treated as the intermediate stage

and is better than no bond. But the aim should not be such partial

bond. If you aim at 100 marks, you may get 40 marks and pass. But if

you aim at 40 marks only, you will fail. Therefore, let the aim be

total liberation from the world and single bond with the God.

 

The bond consists of three parts. The service in terms of sacrifice

of work and fruit of work comprises ninety-nine paise. Love with

mind consists of 2/3rd paise. Remembering through words consists of

1/3rd paise. If you take the case of Sankara, he has donated the

whole rupee to the Lord. His love for his mother, words to praise

mother and service to mother are diverted towards the Lord. He left

his mother for the sake of the Lord. He has donated all the one

hundred paise to the Lord. He is the top most beloved of the Lord.

He should be our aim. In the beginning stage you cannot divert your

work, which is called duty and mental attachment, which is called

love to the Lord. At least make a humble beginning by donating the

words to the Lord. Go on reading spiritual books and go on chanting

his songs. By this you have donated 1/3rd paise to the Lord.

Remember that you cannot purchase any item from any shop with 1/3rd

paise. Therefore, do not aspire any thing in return from the Lord,

for this 1/3rd paise. In the next stage you try to divert your mind

towards the Lord, which is 2/3rd paise.

 

Do your duties to your family members, but without mental

attachment. Such mental detachment has several added advantages. If

one is mentally detached from the family members, he will not be

hurt if they insult him in future. He will not be disturbed when

their behaviour is not correct. He will not suffer if death attacks

them. Such mental detachment brings full peace and balance of mind.

Due to this he will be always energetic with good health. Therefore

such mental detachment is needed even for an atheist. The detached

mind cannot keep silent because it is habituated to the attachment.

Therefore, attach the mind to the Lord. Such attachment will always

give infinite bliss in the life. When you are successful in

attaching the mind to the Lord, you are called as devotee. But a

devotee can be disturbed. The devotion becomes firm if his

intelligence takes a firm decision through knowledge. Therefore,

Knowledge gives firm decision to the intelligence (Buddhi) and this

makes the devotion of mind (Manas) to be firm. Therefore, Gita

started with Buddhi Yoga or Jnana Yoga in the second chapter.

 

When the mind is fixed on the Lord with the help of the knowledge of

the intelligence, the work will naturally change and will follow the

mind. The mind is like the king. The words are like his ministers.

The intelligence is like his preacher or Guru. The work is like his

army. Therefore, with the help of the words the mind should be

diverted to the Lord and it is fixed with the help of the

intelligence. The words divert the mind, whereas the intelligence

fixes the mind. Therefore, when you have donated words and mind to

the Lord and when you are strengthened by the spiritual knowledge

your duties and responsibilities, which form the work, will

naturally be diverted towards the Lord. The work is always inert

item and is controlled by the mind and intelligence.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote:

Is that not what the Supreme intends for us , to reach him in

our own way, in our own time.Why impose that this is the only way

to reach God and that every otherway does not take you there.

Here we are hearing of the only ways to attain the Supreme? Like

you said,Why not leave it and find a way of coming together to find

a unified way of finding the true spirit of Hinduism and play our

part in restoring its Glory.

> Nalini

[Guest guest]

{Om Namo Narayanaya}

 

Dear sri Suryaji,

If you could go back a few posts you would find that is what all of

them have been saying. Do your duty without attachment, having eyes

on the goal.

It is not devising paths or quoting scriptures? What if the path is

easy, as long as it is along the path of dharma, would the path

being easy take away the knowledge of the goal attained.

Krishna in Bhagavad Gita, has preached, to go after the goal, doing

your duty selflessly, without aspiring for the fruits.

Or do you believe that it is not possible to remain within a family

yet remain unattached. Would that mean that everybody renounce the

family and take sanyas? so that they can pine away to glory as not

all of them would not be ready to embrace sanyas, making him/her

Dhobhi ka ghadha na ghar ka na ghat ka.I think you would have heard

of the Annamacharya kriti, where he says the Lord is what you see

him as, to the alpa bhudhi he is alpa, to the ghana bhudhi he is

ghana. To the saivites he is Shiva, to the Sakteyas he is Shakthi

rupa, he is the Adi Bhairava to the kapalikas, for he is ultimately

the Paratatvam.

Meera reached the lord by living in his glory, surdas though blind

saw shyam dance , Sakkubai attained the Pandarinatha, did they all

traverse the single path laid by a satguru?Or have they not really

achieved Oneness with the Supreme?

Kabir das, best summarised the analogy, the world being a loom and

the threads being the Maya, a wise man would find the meaning in the

attach-detach of the loom, which can be applied to life- do your

duty and remain unattached.

Rgds

Nalini

(om Namah Shivaya Mallikarjunaya}

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> Everybody is divising their own path saying that there are many

ways

> to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: enjoy the world in

> family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or

liberation.

> Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The

> easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any

> sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now

> from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was

already

> preached by Krishna in Gita. Nobody is neither interested to know

> what was preached by Krishna nor ready to identify & learn from

the

> preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer illusion to conclude that

our

> path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'.

>

> Gita says `Eka Bhakthih Vishishyate' which means that the person

> having only one bond with the Lord alone is liberated. The

> liberation itself means destruction of all the bonds in this

world.

> Without full liberation, one cannot have a strong bond with the

> Lord. Unless one is completely relieved from the world, one cannot

> join God. The joining report in the new institution is not

possible

> without complete relief from the previous institution. You cannot

> partially join the new institution. It cannot be a side

employment.

> Ofcourse such partial bond can be treated as the intermediate

stage

> and is better than no bond. But the aim should not be such partial

> bond. If you aim at 100 marks, you may get 40 marks and pass. But

if

> you aim at 40 marks only, you will fail. Therefore, let the aim be

> total liberation from the world and single bond with the God.

>

> The bond consists of three parts. The service in terms of

sacrifice

> of work and fruit of work comprises ninety-nine paise. Love with

> mind consists of 2/3rd paise. Remembering through words consists

of

> 1/3rd paise. If you take the case of Sankara, he has donated the

> whole rupee to the Lord. His love for his mother, words to praise

> mother and service to mother are diverted towards the Lord. He

left

> his mother for the sake of the Lord. He has donated all the one

> hundred paise to the Lord. He is the top most beloved of the Lord.

> He should be our aim. In the beginning stage you cannot divert

your

> work, which is called duty and mental attachment, which is called

> love to the Lord. At least make a humble beginning by donating the

> words to the Lord. Go on reading spiritual books and go on

chanting

> his songs. By this you have donated 1/3rd paise to the Lord.

> Remember that you cannot purchase any item from any shop with

1/3rd

> paise. Therefore, do not aspire any thing in return from the Lord,

> for this 1/3rd paise. In the next stage you try to divert your

mind

> towards the Lord, which is 2/3rd paise.

>

> Do your duties to your family members, but without mental

> attachment. Such mental detachment has several added advantages.

If

> one is mentally detached from the family members, he will not be

> hurt if they insult him in future. He will not be disturbed when

> their behaviour is not correct. He will not suffer if death

attacks

> them. Such mental detachment brings full peace and balance of

mind.

> Due to this he will be always energetic with good health.

Therefore

> such mental detachment is needed even for an atheist. The detached

> mind cannot keep silent because it is habituated to the

attachment.

> Therefore, attach the mind to the Lord. Such attachment will

always

> give infinite bliss in the life. When you are successful in

> attaching the mind to the Lord, you are called as devotee. But a

> devotee can be disturbed. The devotion becomes firm if his

> intelligence takes a firm decision through knowledge. Therefore,

> Knowledge gives firm decision to the intelligence (Buddhi) and

this

> makes the devotion of mind (Manas) to be firm. Therefore, Gita

> started with Buddhi Yoga or Jnana Yoga in the second chapter.

>

> When the mind is fixed on the Lord with the help of the knowledge

of

> the intelligence, the work will naturally change and will follow

the

> mind. The mind is like the king. The words are like his ministers.

> The intelligence is like his preacher or Guru. The work is like

his

> army. Therefore, with the help of the words the mind should be

> diverted to the Lord and it is fixed with the help of the

> intelligence. The words divert the mind, whereas the intelligence

> fixes the mind. Therefore, when you have donated words and mind to

> the Lord and when you are strengthened by the spiritual knowledge

> your duties and responsibilities, which form the work, will

> naturally be diverted towards the Lord. The work is always inert

> item and is controlled by the mind and intelligence.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> "auromirra19" <nalini2818@> wrote:

> Is that not what the Supreme intends for us , to reach him in

> our own way, in our own time.Why impose that this is the only way

> to reach God and that every otherway does not take you there.

> Here we are hearing of the only ways to attain the Supreme? Like

> you said,Why not leave it and find a way of coming together to

find

> a unified way of finding the true spirit of Hinduism and play our

> part in restoring its Glory.

> > Nalini

>

[Guest guest]

oops!!! That should read Dhobhi ka Kutta not gadha!!

Sorry for the error.

Nalini

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> {Om Namo Narayanaya}

>

> Dear sri Suryaji,

> If you could go back a few posts you would find that is what all

of

> them have been saying. Do your duty without attachment, having

eyes

> on the goal.

> It is not devising paths or quoting scriptures? What if the path

is

> easy, as long as it is along the path of dharma, would the path

> being easy take away the knowledge of the goal attained.

> Krishna in Bhagavad Gita, has preached, to go after the goal,

doing

> your duty selflessly, without aspiring for the fruits.

> Or do you believe that it is not possible to remain within a

family

> yet remain unattached. Would that mean that everybody renounce the

> family and take sanyas? so that they can pine away to glory as not

> all of them would not be ready to embrace sanyas, making him/her

> Dhobhi ka ghadha na ghar ka na ghat ka.I think you would have

heard

> of the Annamacharya kriti, where he says the Lord is what you see

> him as, to the alpa bhudhi he is alpa, to the ghana bhudhi he is

> ghana. To the saivites he is Shiva, to the Sakteyas he is Shakthi

> rupa, he is the Adi Bhairava to the kapalikas, for he is

ultimately

> the Paratatvam.

> Meera reached the lord by living in his glory, surdas though blind

> saw shyam dance , Sakkubai attained the Pandarinatha, did they all

> traverse the single path laid by a satguru?Or have they not really

> achieved Oneness with the Supreme?

> Kabir das, best summarised the analogy, the world being a loom and

> the threads being the Maya, a wise man would find the meaning in

the

> attach-detach of the loom, which can be applied to life- do your

> duty and remain unattached.

> Rgds

> Nalini

> (om Namah Shivaya Mallikarjunaya}

>

> , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Everybody is divising their own path saying that there are many

> ways

> > to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: enjoy the world

in

> > family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or

> liberation.

> > Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The

> > easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any

> > sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right

now

> > from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was

> already

> > preached by Krishna in Gita. Nobody is neither interested to

know

> > what was preached by Krishna nor ready to identify & learn from

> the

> > preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer illusion to conclude that

> our

> > path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'.

> >

> > Gita says `Eka Bhakthih Vishishyate' which means that the person

> > having only one bond with the Lord alone is liberated. The

> > liberation itself means destruction of all the bonds in this

> world.

> > Without full liberation, one cannot have a strong bond with the

> > Lord. Unless one is completely relieved from the world, one

cannot

> > join God. The joining report in the new institution is not

> possible

> > without complete relief from the previous institution. You

cannot

> > partially join the new institution. It cannot be a side

> employment.

> > Ofcourse such partial bond can be treated as the intermediate

> stage

> > and is better than no bond. But the aim should not be such

partial

> > bond. If you aim at 100 marks, you may get 40 marks and pass.

But

> if

> > you aim at 40 marks only, you will fail. Therefore, let the aim

be

> > total liberation from the world and single bond with the God.

> >

> > The bond consists of three parts. The service in terms of

> sacrifice

> > of work and fruit of work comprises ninety-nine paise. Love with

> > mind consists of 2/3rd paise. Remembering through words consists

> of

> > 1/3rd paise. If you take the case of Sankara, he has donated the

> > whole rupee to the Lord. His love for his mother, words to

praise

> > mother and service to mother are diverted towards the Lord. He

> left

> > his mother for the sake of the Lord. He has donated all the one

> > hundred paise to the Lord. He is the top most beloved of the

Lord.

> > He should be our aim. In the beginning stage you cannot divert

> your

> > work, which is called duty and mental attachment, which is

called

> > love to the Lord. At least make a humble beginning by donating

the

> > words to the Lord. Go on reading spiritual books and go on

> chanting

> > his songs. By this you have donated 1/3rd paise to the Lord.

> > Remember that you cannot purchase any item from any shop with

> 1/3rd

> > paise. Therefore, do not aspire any thing in return from the

Lord,

> > for this 1/3rd paise. In the next stage you try to divert your

> mind

> > towards the Lord, which is 2/3rd paise.

> >

> > Do your duties to your family members, but without mental

> > attachment. Such mental detachment has several added advantages.

> If

> > one is mentally detached from the family members, he will not be

> > hurt if they insult him in future. He will not be disturbed when

> > their behaviour is not correct. He will not suffer if death

> attacks

> > them. Such mental detachment brings full peace and balance of

> mind.

> > Due to this he will be always energetic with good health.

> Therefore

> > such mental detachment is needed even for an atheist. The

detached

> > mind cannot keep silent because it is habituated to the

> attachment.

> > Therefore, attach the mind to the Lord. Such attachment will

> always

> > give infinite bliss in the life. When you are successful in

> > attaching the mind to the Lord, you are called as devotee. But a

> > devotee can be disturbed. The devotion becomes firm if his

> > intelligence takes a firm decision through knowledge. Therefore,

> > Knowledge gives firm decision to the intelligence (Buddhi) and

> this

> > makes the devotion of mind (Manas) to be firm. Therefore, Gita

> > started with Buddhi Yoga or Jnana Yoga in the second chapter.

> >

> > When the mind is fixed on the Lord with the help of the

knowledge

> of

> > the intelligence, the work will naturally change and will follow

> the

> > mind. The mind is like the king. The words are like his

ministers.

> > The intelligence is like his preacher or Guru. The work is like

> his

> > army. Therefore, with the help of the words the mind should be

> > diverted to the Lord and it is fixed with the help of the

> > intelligence. The words divert the mind, whereas the

intelligence

> > fixes the mind. Therefore, when you have donated words and mind

to

> > the Lord and when you are strengthened by the spiritual

knowledge

> > your duties and responsibilities, which form the work, will

> > naturally be diverted towards the Lord. The work is always inert

> > item and is controlled by the mind and intelligence.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> > "auromirra19" <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > Is that not what the Supreme intends for us , to reach him in

> > our own way, in our own time.Why impose that this is the only

way

> > to reach God and that every otherway does not take you there.

> > Here we are hearing of the only ways to attain the Supreme? Like

> > you said,Why not leave it and find a way of coming together to

> find

> > a unified way of finding the true spirit of Hinduism and play

our

> > part in restoring its Glory.

> > > Nalini

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Swami! I have one question, why not we do duties to our children?

At the same time we shall have all our devotion to the Lord only.

 

Swami: Your suggestion is quite sounding very well to the ears,

But you will find the reality only when you analyse the concept.

One thing we should remember, we should not bring down the sky

To our level since we are standing on the ground and since

We are unable to fly to the height of the sky, let us agree the

truth.

 

It is true that the sky is the goal and it is true that we are on

the ground.

This will make us to start our journey, one day or the other you

will reach sky.

You have to be in the constant effort, God will give you many human

rebirths

Till you reach the goal, but one condition, you should not stop at

any stage.

When you are doing the duty it is love expressed in action, it is

proven love.

It is far greater than the love through words and through mind and

therefore

Your love is ninety nine percent on your children and one percent on

Lord.

The Lord is not at all equal even to your children and just you have

thrown

One paisa on the face of the Lord treating Him as a beggar for your

love.

At the same time you are posing that all your love is on the Lord.

 

It is just the reverse in practice and everything is only the mind

and words.

The proven love consists of sacrifice of five items to the Lord.

The first three items are by the ex-pression of love through words,

mind, and brain.

Through words people sing devotional songs and the emotional

devotion flows

Through the mind, through the brain scholars discuss the nature of

the Lord.

These three constitute the theoretical phase, which has a value of

one paisa only.

It is just like sacrificing drinking water supplied by the

municipality freely.

Similarly these three are already supplied to you by the Lord freely

without any

Effort or strain by you, Indians are very famous in sacrificing

these three items.

 

The fantastic fun is that people sacrifice these three items to the

Lord and

Ask some practical fruit for the sacrifice of these three

theoretical items!

The other two items are practical and their value is ninety-nine

paise.

Those two items are sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work

In this sacrifice of these two items only lies the entire real

sacrifice.

This alone is the proven love, don't argue that this is impossible

for you.

You are doing the sacrifice of these two items sincerely to your

children.

Therefore you are having real proven love on your children only.

The sacrifice of the first three items is not done in the case of

your children.

That means the sacrifice of these first three items is false

dramatic love.

The word duty which you just uttered constitutes the last two items

only,

Which are the sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work.

 

Therefore what is the meaning of your statement that resulted

finally?

You will sacrifice the false love to the Lord and the real love to

your children.

You designate the false love as the real whole love which is

dedication of mind.

Now you say that you have dedicated all your mind to the Lord only!

Fantastic! And you say that you are simply doing duty to your

children!

Which is nothing but the real love! How clever you are! You can fool

Any human being in this world but not the Lord who is omniscient.

Oh Gayathri! Let us stick to the truth only atleast before the Lord.

Let us accept frankly our inability to sacrifice all the five items.

 

Let us pray the Lord to help us in reaching the sky and let us

accept

That we are on the ground only, no need of any false prestige before

the Lord.

The Lord is always pleased when we accept and speak the truth before

Him

The first three items constitute the drinking water supplied to you

freely.

Do not ask any practical fruit for the sacrifice of those three

items.

 

Even in a commercial hotel, they do not charge for the supply of

water.

The other two items constitute the actual plate of meals, which

represent

The real sacrifice, since these two items are from your hard work

only.

For the sacrifice of these two items you can ask for the practical

fruit.

But remember that the Lord will pay the exact fare of your plate of

meals.

 

Here also don't be over ambitious, you supply a plate of meals and

ask

For one lakh of rupees! Ask for the equivalent justified normal rate.

It shall be paid to you if you ask the justified rate for your

meals.

If you ask too much, the Lord will look at you with a hatred look

And will pay you the exact fare only, don't have poor impression

In His heart, next time even if you offer the plate of meals, He

will refuse.

 

You have lost the chance of minimum business also with the Lord.

Remember one thing that when you provide plate of meals to the Lord,

You have to supply drinking water also, though it does not cost

anything.

When the eater requires some water during eating food, will you say

"What is there in the water which has no value? Eat this sweet."

Similarly some people do the sacrifice of work and fruit of work

sincerely.

They feel that they have purchased the Lord by their sacrifice.

They never love, they never sing devotional songs, and they never

discuss

The divine nature of the Lord, because they neglect the valueless

water.

I told you not to give simply water to the guest and avoid the

meals.

 

In this context only I criticised the donation of water, don't

extend this

When you offer the plate of the meals to the guest and simply give

him food

Without the drinking water, that will be utter foolishness of you.

Feeding the guest is complete only when the meals are given with

water.

 

After all, ninety-nine paise cannot constitute the full one rupee.

In fact, I pity such people because they donate ninety-nine paise

But become lazy to donate that one paisa from their pocket.

The one paisa left over in the pocket cannot be used at all for any

purchase.

Gita said that one has to reach and please the Lord by crossing the

duties.

 

"Sarva dharman parityajya", here the word dharma means the duty.

The duty constitutes the real love, if what you said is acceptable

and correct

Shankara could have stayed with his mother doing his duty by serving

her

And he could have said that all his real love is only the Lord and

that

He is doing just his duty as her son; Love is the basis of the duty,

Where the duty lies, there only the real love lies, it is the real

proof.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote:

so that they can pine away to glory as not

> all of them would not be ready to embrace sanyas, making him/her

> Dhobhi ka ghadha na ghar ka na ghat ka.I think you would have

heard of the Annamacharya kriti, where he says the Lord is what you

see him as, to the alpa bhudhi he is alpa, to the ghana bhudhi he

is ghana. To the saivites he is Shiva, to the Sakteyas he is

Shakthi rupa, he is the Adi Bhairava to the kapalikas, for he is

ultimately the Paratatvam.

> Meera reached the lord by living in his glory, surdas though blind

> saw shyam dance , Sakkubai attained the Pandarinatha, did they all

> traverse the single path laid by a satguru?Or have they not really

> achieved Oneness with the Supreme?

> Kabir das, best summarised the analogy, the world being a loom and

> the threads being the Maya, a wise man would find the meaning in

the attach-detach of the loom, which can be applied to life- do your

> duty and remain unattached.

> Rgds

> Nalini

[Guest guest]

You were right the first time, naliniji, the dhobi has more use of a

gadha and gadha it is!

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

>

> oops!!! That should read Dhobhi ka Kutta not gadha!!

> Sorry for the error.

> Nalini

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> >

> > Dear sri Suryaji,

> > If you could go back a few posts you would find that is what all

> of

> > them have been saying. Do your duty without attachment, having

> eyes

> > on the goal.

> > It is not devising paths or quoting scriptures? What if the path

> is

> > easy, as long as it is along the path of dharma, would the path

> > being easy take away the knowledge of the goal attained.

> > Krishna in Bhagavad Gita, has preached, to go after the goal,

> doing

> > your duty selflessly, without aspiring for the fruits.

> > Or do you believe that it is not possible to remain within a

> family

> > yet remain unattached. Would that mean that everybody renounce

the

> > family and take sanyas? so that they can pine away to glory as

not

> > all of them would not be ready to embrace sanyas, making him/her

> > Dhobhi ka ghadha na ghar ka na ghat ka.I think you would have

> heard

> > of the Annamacharya kriti, where he says the Lord is what you see

> > him as, to the alpa bhudhi he is alpa, to the ghana bhudhi he is

> > ghana. To the saivites he is Shiva, to the Sakteyas he is Shakthi

> > rupa, he is the Adi Bhairava to the kapalikas, for he is

> ultimately

> > the Paratatvam.

> > Meera reached the lord by living in his glory, surdas though

blind

> > saw shyam dance , Sakkubai attained the Pandarinatha, did they

all

> > traverse the single path laid by a satguru?Or have they not

really

> > achieved Oneness with the Supreme?

> > Kabir das, best summarised the analogy, the world being a loom

and

> > the threads being the Maya, a wise man would find the meaning in

> the

> > attach-detach of the loom, which can be applied to life- do your

> > duty and remain unattached.

> > Rgds

> > Nalini

> > (om Namah Shivaya Mallikarjunaya}

> >

> > , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Everybody is divising their own path saying that there are many

> > ways

> > > to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: enjoy the world

> in

> > > family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or

> > liberation.

> > > Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way.

The

> > > easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require

any

> > > sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right

> now

> > > from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was

> > already

> > > preached by Krishna in Gita. Nobody is neither interested to

> know

> > > what was preached by Krishna nor ready to identify & learn from

> > the

> > > preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer illusion to conclude that

> > our

> > > path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'.

> > >

> > > Gita says `Eka Bhakthih Vishishyate' which means that the

person

> > > having only one bond with the Lord alone is liberated. The

> > > liberation itself means destruction of all the bonds in this

> > world.

> > > Without full liberation, one cannot have a strong bond with the

> > > Lord. Unless one is completely relieved from the world, one

> cannot

> > > join God. The joining report in the new institution is not

> > possible

> > > without complete relief from the previous institution. You

> cannot

> > > partially join the new institution. It cannot be a side

> > employment.

> > > Ofcourse such partial bond can be treated as the intermediate

> > stage

> > > and is better than no bond. But the aim should not be such

> partial

> > > bond. If you aim at 100 marks, you may get 40 marks and pass.

> But

> > if

> > > you aim at 40 marks only, you will fail. Therefore, let the aim

> be

> > > total liberation from the world and single bond with the God.

> > >

> > > The bond consists of three parts. The service in terms of

> > sacrifice

> > > of work and fruit of work comprises ninety-nine paise. Love

with

> > > mind consists of 2/3rd paise. Remembering through words

consists

> > of

> > > 1/3rd paise. If you take the case of Sankara, he has donated

the

> > > whole rupee to the Lord. His love for his mother, words to

> praise

> > > mother and service to mother are diverted towards the Lord. He

> > left

> > > his mother for the sake of the Lord. He has donated all the one

> > > hundred paise to the Lord. He is the top most beloved of the

> Lord.

> > > He should be our aim. In the beginning stage you cannot divert

> > your

> > > work, which is called duty and mental attachment, which is

> called

> > > love to the Lord. At least make a humble beginning by donating

> the

> > > words to the Lord. Go on reading spiritual books and go on

> > chanting

> > > his songs. By this you have donated 1/3rd paise to the Lord.

> > > Remember that you cannot purchase any item from any shop with

> > 1/3rd

> > > paise. Therefore, do not aspire any thing in return from the

> Lord,

> > > for this 1/3rd paise. In the next stage you try to divert your

> > mind

> > > towards the Lord, which is 2/3rd paise.

> > >

> > > Do your duties to your family members, but without mental

> > > attachment. Such mental detachment has several added

advantages.

> > If

> > > one is mentally detached from the family members, he will not

be

> > > hurt if they insult him in future. He will not be disturbed

when

> > > their behaviour is not correct. He will not suffer if death

> > attacks

> > > them. Such mental detachment brings full peace and balance of

> > mind.

> > > Due to this he will be always energetic with good health.

> > Therefore

> > > such mental detachment is needed even for an atheist. The

> detached

> > > mind cannot keep silent because it is habituated to the

> > attachment.

> > > Therefore, attach the mind to the Lord. Such attachment will

> > always

> > > give infinite bliss in the life. When you are successful in

> > > attaching the mind to the Lord, you are called as devotee. But

a

> > > devotee can be disturbed. The devotion becomes firm if his

> > > intelligence takes a firm decision through knowledge.

Therefore,

> > > Knowledge gives firm decision to the intelligence (Buddhi) and

> > this

> > > makes the devotion of mind (Manas) to be firm. Therefore, Gita

> > > started with Buddhi Yoga or Jnana Yoga in the second chapter.

> > >

> > > When the mind is fixed on the Lord with the help of the

> knowledge

> > of

> > > the intelligence, the work will naturally change and will

follow

> > the

> > > mind. The mind is like the king. The words are like his

> ministers.

> > > The intelligence is like his preacher or Guru. The work is like

> > his

> > > army. Therefore, with the help of the words the mind should be

> > > diverted to the Lord and it is fixed with the help of the

> > > intelligence. The words divert the mind, whereas the

> intelligence

> > > fixes the mind. Therefore, when you have donated words and mind

> to

> > > the Lord and when you are strengthened by the spiritual

> knowledge

> > > your duties and responsibilities, which form the work, will

> > > naturally be diverted towards the Lord. The work is always

inert

> > > item and is controlled by the mind and intelligence.

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> > > "auromirra19" <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > Is that not what the Supreme intends for us , to reach him in

> > > our own way, in our own time.Why impose that this is the only

> way

> > > to reach God and that every otherway does not take you there.

> > > Here we are hearing of the only ways to attain the Supreme?

Like

> > > you said,Why not leave it and find a way of coming together to

> > find

> > > a unified way of finding the true spirit of Hinduism and play

> our

> > > part in restoring its Glory.

> > > > Nalini

> > >

> >

>